Re: [Pharo-dev] Deploying using the latest minimal image of Pharo (6.1)

[Stephane Ducasse]

My idea was even to create objects that generate even bash scripts and
all the rest
but have objects that we can control and probably to be loaded in another image.
I just hate all the undebuggable scripts.


On Fri, Nov 24, 2017 at 3:16 AM, Ben Coman  wrote:
>
>
> On 24 November 2017 at 05:13, despotadesdibujau
>  wrote:
>>
>> >Hi Gabriel
>>
>> >This is cool.
>> >Thanks for sharing it with us.
>> >I really want an object responsible for deploying an app. :)
>> >Your effort is nice in that directory. Keep pushing
>>
>> >Stef
>> Thanks!!!
>>
>> Maxi Tabacman suggests me to reify the deployment process.
>> I thought of something like to get up a minimal image from inside the
>> development image, then to start the deployment process from the
>> development
>> image.
>> I suppose that I would need to use Espell Object Spaces (Guillermo
>> Polito),
>> but in this case, I would need a special virtual machine (Oz Virtual
>> Machine)... Something like Tornado, but not using the "Run Fail Grow"
>> approach, but using a BaselineOf or ConfigurationOf approach.
>
>
>
>>
>> Another idea (simpler than the idea above) is to communicate the two
>> images
>> using Teapot or Sockets: The Development image sends orders to the minimal
>> image until it becomes on the deployment image.
>
>
> This sounds like a good initiative, but Teapot seems a bit too specific and
> Sockets seems a bit too low level.
> Consider building on top of TelePharo,  or being its sibling by building on
> top of Seamless.
> These seem better suited to being part of every image than Teapot.
> *
> http://forum.world.st/Ann-PharmIDE-is-renamed-to-TelePharo-and-moved-to-github-td4963638.htm
> *
> https://dionisiydk.blogspot.com.au/2017/01/pharmide-pharo-remote-ide-to-develop.html
> * http://forum.world.st/Ann-Major-Seamless-update-td4907335.html
>
> Others might comment on which is the best level abstraction to use.
>
> cheers -ben
>
>
>> For the moment I need to test the process (on Pharo 6 and 7) using more
>> complex applications until it becomes a reliable process.
>>
>> Gabriel
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Sent from: http://forum.world.st/Pharo-Smalltalk-Developers-f1294837.html
>>
>

Re: [Pharo-dev] Deploying using the latest minimal image of Pharo (6.1)

[Ben Coman]

On 24 November 2017 at 05:13, despotadesdibujau  wrote:

> >Hi Gabriel
>
> >This is cool.
> >Thanks for sharing it with us.
> >I really want an object responsible for deploying an app. :)
> >Your effort is nice in that directory. Keep pushing
>
> >Stef
> Thanks!!!
>
> Maxi Tabacman suggests me to reify the deployment process.
> I thought of something like to get up a minimal image from inside the
> development image, then to start the deployment process from the
> development
> image.
> I suppose that I would need to use Espell Object Spaces (Guillermo Polito),
> but in this case, I would need a special virtual machine (Oz Virtual
> Machine)... Something like Tornado, but not using the "Run Fail Grow"
> approach, but using a BaselineOf or ConfigurationOf approach.
>



> Another idea (simpler than the idea above) is to communicate the two images
> using Teapot or Sockets: The Development image sends orders to the minimal
> image until it becomes on the deployment image.
>

This sounds like a good initiative, but Teapot seems a bit too specific and
Sockets seems a bit too low level.
Consider building on top of TelePharo,  or being its sibling by building on
top of Seamless.
These seem better suited to being part of every image than Teapot.
*
http://forum.world.st/Ann-PharmIDE-is-renamed-to-TelePharo-and-moved-to-github-td4963638.htm
*
https://dionisiydk.blogspot.com.au/2017/01/pharmide-pharo-remote-ide-to-develop.html
* http://forum.world.st/Ann-Major-Seamless-update-td4907335.html

Others might comment on which is the best level abstraction to use.

cheers -ben


For the moment I need to test the process (on Pharo 6 and 7) using more
> complex applications until it becomes a reliable process.
>
> Gabriel
>
>
>
> --
> Sent from: http://forum.world.st/Pharo-Smalltalk-Developers-f1294837.html
>
>

Re: [Pharo-dev] Deploying using the latest minimal image of Pharo (6.1)

[Stephane Ducasse]

Yes your second scenario looks cool to me :).
Keep us informed because this is really exciting.

Stef

On Thu, Nov 23, 2017 at 10:13 PM, despotadesdibujau
 wrote:
>>Hi Gabriel
>
>>This is cool.
>>Thanks for sharing it with us.
>>I really want an object responsible for deploying an app. :)
>>Your effort is nice in that directory. Keep pushing
>
>>Stef
> Thanks!!!
>
> Maxi Tabacman suggests me to reify the deployment process.
> I thought of something like to get up a minimal image from inside the
> development image, then to start the deployment process from the development
> image.
> I suppose that I would need to use Espell Object Spaces (Guillermo Polito),
> but in this case, I would need a special virtual machine (Oz Virtual
> Machine)... Something like Tornado, but not using the "Run Fail Grow"
> approach, but using a BaselineOf or ConfigurationOf approach.
> Another idea (simpler than the idea above) is to communicate the two images
> using Teapot or Sockets: The Development image sends orders to the minimal
> image until it becomes on the deployment image.
>
> For the moment I need to test the process (on Pharo 6 and 7) using more
> complex applications until it becomes a reliable process.
>
> Gabriel
>
>
>
> --
> Sent from: http://forum.world.st/Pharo-Smalltalk-Developers-f1294837.html
>

Re: [Pharo-dev] Deploying using the latest minimal image of Pharo (6.1)

[despotadesdibujau]

>Hi Gabriel

>This is cool.
>Thanks for sharing it with us.
>I really want an object responsible for deploying an app. :)
>Your effort is nice in that directory. Keep pushing

>Stef
Thanks!!!

Maxi Tabacman suggests me to reify the deployment process. 
I thought of something like to get up a minimal image from inside the
development image, then to start the deployment process from the development
image.
I suppose that I would need to use Espell Object Spaces (Guillermo Polito),
but in this case, I would need a special virtual machine (Oz Virtual
Machine)... Something like Tornado, but not using the "Run Fail Grow"
approach, but using a BaselineOf or ConfigurationOf approach.
Another idea (simpler than the idea above) is to communicate the two images
using Teapot or Sockets: The Development image sends orders to the minimal
image until it becomes on the deployment image. 

For the moment I need to test the process (on Pharo 6 and 7) using more
complex applications until it becomes a reliable process.

Gabriel



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Re: [Pharo-dev] Deploying using the latest minimal image of Pharo (6.1)

[Stephane Ducasse]

Hi Gabriel

This is cool.
Thanks for sharing it with us.
I really want an object responsible for deploying an app. :)
Your effort is nice in that directory. Keep pushing

Stef


On Sun, Nov 19, 2017 at 1:33 AM, gabriel sor
 wrote:
> Hi,
> In in the past days, in the context of the Smalltalks 2017 conference, I
> talked about my attempt to deploy on  production using the minimal image
> of Pharo .
>  My goal was prepare an inmutable or staless minimal image for deploy,
> without sources nor changes files.
>  The results are exposed in this  tutorial.
> The size of the image is 16 MB and it has loaded Seaside.
>   Just I have a pendeing issue: the staless image but everything else is
> done and working.
>

Re: [Pharo-dev] Deploying using the latest minimal image of Pharo (6.1)

[Pavel Krivanek]

2017-11-19 19:05 GMT+01:00 despotadesdibujau :

> Sven Van Caekenberghe-2 wrote
> > Great work, Gabriel, thanks for sharing. I have yet to look at what you
> > did in detail, but what is your pending issue exactly, because I don't
> > understand "the staless image". Could you elaborate ?
> >
> > Sven
>
> Thanks!!!
> Ja!, I wanted to say "stateless":eliminate the possibility of modify the
> state of the image once it is in production.
> That I did was  downloaded the minimal image of Pharo, I faced with some
> issues to load my application using filetree or github.
> I found the solution just loading through Monticello the missing
> dependecies
> that Metacello  needed to use filetree and github repositories.
> I delivered an application to a final user just using the minimal image and
> it is working.
> My idea is to prepare a minimal image with every tool for load
> code:Monticello,Metacello suporting all types of repositories
> (filetree,github,gitbucket, gitlab,...etc),...etc.
>

In Pharo 7 most of them are already part of the the minimal (Metacello)
image.

-- Pavel


> Then, when my application is loaded, unload those tools and disable the
> command line handlers (if is posible), and eliminate all unnecessary files
> like changes and sources ( thank you
>  changes-and-source-files-td4949556.html>
> ).
>
>
> Gabriel
>
>
>
> --
> Sent from: http://forum.world.st/Pharo-Smalltalk-Developers-f1294837.html
>
>

Re: [Pharo-dev] Deploying using the latest minimal image of Pharo (6.1)

[despotadesdibujau]

Sven Van Caekenberghe-2 wrote
> Great work, Gabriel, thanks for sharing. I have yet to look at what you
> did in detail, but what is your pending issue exactly, because I don't
> understand "the staless image". Could you elaborate ?
> 
> Sven

Thanks!!!
Ja!, I wanted to say "stateless":eliminate the possibility of modify the
state of the image once it is in production.
That I did was  downloaded the minimal image of Pharo, I faced with some
issues to load my application using filetree or github. 
I found the solution just loading through Monticello the missing dependecies
that Metacello  needed to use filetree and github repositories.
I delivered an application to a final user just using the minimal image and
it is working.
My idea is to prepare a minimal image with every tool for load
code:Monticello,Metacello suporting all types of repositories
(filetree,github,gitbucket, gitlab,...etc),...etc.
Then, when my application is loaded, unload those tools and disable the
command line handlers (if is posible), and eliminate all unnecessary files
like changes and sources ( thank you

 
). 


Gabriel



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Re: [Pharo-dev] Deploying using the latest minimal image of Pharo (6.1)

[Sven Van Caekenberghe]

> On 19 Nov 2017, at 01:33, gabriel sor  wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> In in the past days, in the context of the Smalltalks 2017 conference, I 
> talked about my attempt to deploy on  production using the minimal image 
> of Pharo .
>  My goal was prepare an inmutable or staless minimal image for deploy, 
> without sources nor changes files.
>  The results are exposed in this  tutorial.
> The size of the image is 16 MB and it has loaded Seaside.
>   Just I have a pendeing issue: the staless image but everything else is done 
> and working.

Great work, Gabriel, thanks for sharing. I have yet to look at what you did in 
detail, but what is your pending issue exactly, because I don't understand "the 
staless image". Could you elaborate ?

Sven