Re: [Pharo-users] What is the craziest bug you ever face

This is not so much about debugging; it's a much more general issue. Given that Smalltalk is designed to allow one to interact with objects, it always frustrates me when our many browsers hide their implementation. We should be able to open inspectors on the model and the UI instance quickly and

Re: [Pharo-users] What is the craziest bug you ever face

and occasionally memory leaks werner On 03/10/2017 04:02 PM, werner kassens wrote: Hi Stephane, bugs i found difficult to debug are eg (1) red cross of death bugs in morphs, (2) bugs that are not visible any more because they are caught and dealt with in the wrong place and then produce wrong

Re: [Pharo-users] What is the craziest bug you ever face

Hi Stephane, bugs i found difficult to debug are eg (1) red cross of death bugs in morphs, (2) bugs that are not visible any more because they are caught and dealt with in the wrong place and then produce wrong results instead of errors, and (3) bugs in iterative algos that work eg with #while

Re: [Pharo-users] What is the craziest bug you ever face

Yeah, that sounds right. The debugger needed to be able to step through lines of code like normal (to debug the logic framework) as well as to step through search steps (to debug programs written in the framework) defined in terms of the system semantics (since bugs could be in either program or

Re: [Pharo-users] What is the craziest bug you ever face

I understand well your point :) On Thu, 09 Mar 2017 21:30:21 +0100, Dale Henrichs wrote: The attached screnshot illustrates why I like having text instead of pngs ... being able to highlight the association value (-5.00->5.00) is very useful when

Re: [Pharo-users] What is the craziest bug you ever face

The attached screnshot illustrates why I like having text instead of pngs ... being able to highlight the association value (-5.00->5.00) is very useful when identifying the entries in a btree associated with the association (the entries at 13, 16,19, and 22)... On 03/09/2017 11:34 AM, Dale

Re: [Pharo-users] What is the craziest bug you ever face

we were talking during the workshop and on the simple things to help. - watch points with history of the value. - stop if the value of an instance variable is getting irregular i.e., = you get integer and suddenly inside you get a float! 1 1 1 1 2 3 4 2 2 1 1 12 2 3 32 1 1 1 1

Re: [Pharo-users] What is the craziest bug you ever face

On Thu, 09 Mar 2017 20:53:48 +0100, Evan Donahue wrote: I actually have a whole class of bugs and elements of a very Pharo-y solution. I do a lot of work in a logic programming framework. Being a logic programming framework, it does not execute the code you write in a

Re: [Pharo-users] What is the craziest bug you ever face

I should add that users of the logic framework from non-smalltalk languages were very impressed by the potential. Evan -- View this message in context: http://forum.world.st/What-is-the-craziest-bug-you-ever-face-tp4937984p4938040.html Sent from the Pharo Smalltalk Users mailing list archive

Re: [Pharo-users] What is the craziest bug you ever face

nice ideas! Stef, One of the things that I do all of the time when trying to debug particularly difficult problems is to keep a "bug notebook". My "bug notebook" is a text file where I record >information gleaned from an inspector intermixed with comments, code and observations...

Re: [Pharo-users] What is the craziest bug you ever face

I actually have a whole class of bugs and elements of a very Pharo-y solution. I do a lot of work in a logic programming framework. Being a logic programming framework, it does not execute the code you write in a start-to-finish manner, but executes a few lines here, then jumps around and

Re: [Pharo-users] What is the craziest bug you ever face

Stef, One of the things that I do all of the time when trying to debug particularly difficult problems is to keep a "bug notebook". My "bug notebook" is a text file where I record information gleaned from an inspector intermixed with comments, code and observations... I've attached an

Re: [Pharo-users] What is the craziest bug you ever face

Thanks you all. The idea is that we want to see how we cn improve our debugging arsenal. So it is important that your scenario give use some hints. It is difficult to convey what we are really looking for :) Hi guys During the DSU workshop we were brainstorming about what are the most

Re: [Pharo-users] What is the craziest bug you ever face

I don't think my reply will be anything useful, but as to me the most craziest bug is metabug, i.e. when system doesn't provides any means to debug things. :) As for regular bugs .. it is quite hard to remember anything i wasn't able to deal with, given enough time & effort, and then emphasize

Re: [Pharo-users] What is the craziest bug you ever face

2017-03-09 12:36 GMT+01:00 Stephane Ducasse : > Hi guys > > During the DSU workshop we were brainstorming about what are the most > difficult bugs we faced and what are the conceptual tools that would have > helped you. > > Stef >

Re: [Pharo-users] What is the craziest bug you ever face

For me it was when I was making the CPP library. CPP for those that do not know is a library I made that allows Pharo to control a C++ application. Its a very simple IPC bridge using shared memory mapped files. I was surprised how easy it was to make it from the C++ side Pharo side was a