Re: [Pharo-users] [Pharo-dev] Archive Page for Pharo TechTalks

2017-03-09 Thread stepharong
excellent On Thu, 09 Mar 2017 11:02:59 +0100, Marcus Denker wrote: Hi, I added http://pharo.org/TechTalk This is linked from http://pharo.org/community The idea is to keep a log of all past tech talks with links to the archival recording (if there is one).

Re: [Pharo-users] [Pharo-dev] What is the craziest bug you ever face

2017-03-09 Thread Max Leske
Fixing a race condition in handling open sockets when forking an image. At first I had no clue where the problem could come from, then I spent a lot of time guessing at the conditions (of course, being a race condition there was no means to force the specific condition but I didn't know that

Re: [Pharo-users] Voyage and Date

2017-03-09 Thread Hilaire
Hi, Bellow a digest I compiled regarding problems met with Voyage, and its resolutions, all documented  through messages in the mailing list (hello Slat ;) Hilaire Le 05/03/2017 à 09:49, Hilaire a écrit : Hi Stephan, I am

Re: [Pharo-users] Moving from Slack to Discord

2017-03-09 Thread Sean P. DeNigris
kilon.alios wrote > https://discord.gg/F6nAd That link does not work. The new one is http://discord.gg/Sj2rhxn - Cheers, Sean -- View this message in context: http://forum.world.st/Moving-from-Slack-to-Discord-tp4914751p4938020.html Sent from the Pharo Smalltalk Users mailing list archive

Re: [Pharo-users] What is the craziest bug you ever face

2017-03-09 Thread Igor Stasenko
I don't think my reply will be anything useful, but as to me the most craziest bug is metabug, i.e. when system doesn't provides any means to debug things. :) As for regular bugs .. it is quite hard to remember anything i wasn't able to deal with, given enough time & effort, and then emphasize

[Pharo-users] New Version of Pillar on Windows

2017-03-09 Thread mldavis
I am trying out the new version of Pillar (build 1940 or 1941) on Windows on Pharo 50770, following the Pillar tutorial in Enterprise Pharo book: I created the new file first.pillar containing: ! Hello World I ran: C:\Users\mldavis\Desktop\mldPillarWorking>Pharo.exe Pillar.image pillar export

Re: [Pharo-users] What is the craziest bug you ever face

2017-03-09 Thread stepharong
On Thu, 09 Mar 2017 20:53:48 +0100, Evan Donahue wrote: I actually have a whole class of bugs and elements of a very Pharo-y solution. I do a lot of work in a logic programming framework. Being a logic programming framework, it does not execute the code you write in a

Re: [Pharo-users] What is the craziest bug you ever face

2017-03-09 Thread Dale Henrichs
Stef, One of the things that I do all of the time when trying to debug particularly difficult problems is to keep a "bug notebook". My "bug notebook" is a text file where I record information gleaned from an inspector intermixed with comments, code and observations... I've attached an

Re: [Pharo-users] What is the craziest bug you ever face

2017-03-09 Thread stepharong
Thanks you all. The idea is that we want to see how we cn improve our debugging arsenal. So it is important that your scenario give use some hints. It is difficult to convey what we are really looking for :) Hi guys During the DSU workshop we were brainstorming about what are the most

Re: [Pharo-users] [Pharo-dev] What is the craziest bug you ever face

2017-03-09 Thread Holger Freyther
> On 9 Mar 2017, at 12:36, Stephane Ducasse wrote: > > Hi guys > > During the DSU workshop we were brainstorming about what are the most > difficult bugs we faced and what are the conceptual tools that would have > helped you. Tracking down a problem where a header

Re: [Pharo-users] What is the craziest bug you ever face

2017-03-09 Thread Evan Donahue
I actually have a whole class of bugs and elements of a very Pharo-y solution. I do a lot of work in a logic programming framework. Being a logic programming framework, it does not execute the code you write in a start-to-finish manner, but executes a few lines here, then jumps around and

Re: [Pharo-users] What is the craziest bug you ever face

2017-03-09 Thread stepharong
nice ideas! Stef, One of the things that I do all of the time when trying to debug particularly difficult problems is to keep a "bug notebook". My "bug notebook" is a text file where I record >information gleaned from an inspector intermixed with comments, code and observations...

Re: [Pharo-users] What is the craziest bug you ever face

2017-03-09 Thread Evan Donahue
I should add that users of the logic framework from non-smalltalk languages were very impressed by the potential. Evan -- View this message in context: http://forum.world.st/What-is-the-craziest-bug-you-ever-face-tp4937984p4938040.html Sent from the Pharo Smalltalk Users mailing list archive

Re: [Pharo-users] New Version of Pillar on Windows

2017-03-09 Thread stepharong
Hi mike I just checked - ./download.sh and it took the 50 stable version - make this created the html Now on windows you do not have make probably :) so you should $(OUTPUTDIRECTORY)/%.html: $(OUTPUTDIRECTORY)/%.html.json ./mustache --data=$<

Re: [Pharo-users] What is the craziest bug you ever face

2017-03-09 Thread Evan Donahue
Yeah, that sounds right. The debugger needed to be able to step through lines of code like normal (to debug the logic framework) as well as to step through search steps (to debug programs written in the framework) defined in terms of the system semantics (since bugs could be in either program or

Re: [Pharo-users] What is the craziest bug you ever face

2017-03-09 Thread Dale Henrichs
The attached screnshot illustrates why I like having text instead of pngs ... being able to highlight the association value (-5.00->5.00) is very useful when identifying the entries in a btree associated with the association (the entries at 13, 16,19, and 22)... On 03/09/2017 11:34 AM, Dale

Re: [Pharo-users] What is the craziest bug you ever face

2017-03-09 Thread stepharong
I understand well your point :) On Thu, 09 Mar 2017 21:30:21 +0100, Dale Henrichs wrote: The attached screnshot illustrates why I like having text instead of pngs ... being able to highlight the association value (-5.00->5.00) is very useful when

Re: [Pharo-users] What is the craziest bug you ever face

2017-03-09 Thread stepharong
we were talking during the workshop and on the simple things to help. - watch points with history of the value. - stop if the value of an instance variable is getting irregular i.e., = you get integer and suddenly inside you get a float! 1 1 1 1 2 3 4 2 2 1 1 12 2 3 32 1 1 1 1

Re: [Pharo-users] New Version of Pillar on Windows

2017-03-09 Thread stepharong
Hi mike Was it working before? I will check on the HTML case (now) because I'm checked the mooc and the book. I am trying out the new version of Pillar (build 1940 or 1941) on Windows on Pharo 50770, following the Pillar tutorial in Enterprise Pharo book: I created the new file

[Pharo-users] Archive Page for Pharo TechTalks

2017-03-09 Thread Marcus Denker
Hi, I added http://pharo.org/TechTalk This is linked from http://pharo.org/community The idea is to keep a log of all past tech talks with links to the archival recording (if there is one). Marcus

Re: [Pharo-users] [Pharo-dev] Archive Page for Pharo TechTalks

2017-03-09 Thread Esteban Lorenzano
and I made a youtube playlist: https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL4actYd6bfnx8l8cqYWhdNB6gJgRvk5sH cheers, Esteban > On 9 Mar 2017, at 11:02, Marcus Denker wrote: > > Hi, > > I added >

Re: [Pharo-users] [Pharo-dev] Archive Page for Pharo TechTalks

2017-03-09 Thread Esteban Lorenzano
… and I moved techtalks from http://pharo.org/community to http://pharo.org/documentation (because I think it belongs there). Esteban > On 9 Mar 2017, at 11:56, Esteban Lorenzano wrote: > > and I made a

[Pharo-users] What is the craziest bug you ever face

2017-03-09 Thread Stephane Ducasse
Hi guys During the DSU workshop we were brainstorming about what are the most difficult bugs we faced and what are the conceptual tools that would have helped you. Stef

Re: [Pharo-users] [Pharo-dev] Archive Page for Pharo TechTalks

2017-03-09 Thread Dimitris Chloupis
I live to serve :D On Thu, Mar 9, 2017 at 2:40 PM Esteban Lorenzano wrote: > thanks @kilon, I will upload them to youtube and add to list/archive > > On 9 Mar 2017, at 13:07, Dimitris Chloupis wrote: > > I kept the first few talks in this repo > >

Re: [Pharo-users] What is the craziest bug you ever face

2017-03-09 Thread Dimitris Chloupis
For me it was when I was making the CPP library. CPP for those that do not know is a library I made that allows Pharo to control a C++ application. Its a very simple IPC bridge using shared memory mapped files. I was surprised how easy it was to make it from the C++ side Pharo side was a

Re: [Pharo-users] [Pharo-dev] Archive Page for Pharo TechTalks

2017-03-09 Thread Esteban Lorenzano
thanks @kilon, I will upload them to youtube and add to list/archive > On 9 Mar 2017, at 13:07, Dimitris Chloupis wrote: > > I kept the first few talks in this repo > > https://gitlab.com/Kilon/pharo-techtalks/tree/master >

Re: [Pharo-users] How to remove a class ?

2017-03-09 Thread teso...@gmail.com
You can send the message #removeFromSystem to the class. Cheers On Thu, Mar 9, 2017 at 1:44 PM, Hilaire wrote: > Hi, > > One creates by code a new class with: "Object subclass: #Situation". > What is the counter part API to remove it from the system? > > Thanks > > Hilaire >

Re: [Pharo-users] What is the craziest bug you ever face

2017-03-09 Thread Nicolai Hess
2017-03-09 12:36 GMT+01:00 Stephane Ducasse : > Hi guys > > During the DSU workshop we were brainstorming about what are the most > difficult bugs we faced and what are the conceptual tools that would have > helped you. > > Stef >

Re: [Pharo-users] [Pharo-dev] Archive Page for Pharo TechTalks

2017-03-09 Thread Dimitris Chloupis
I kept the first few talks in this repo https://gitlab.com/Kilon/pharo-techtalks/tree/master I have mentioned it before but I mention it once again to remind people or maybe you want to add those to the website. Its easy to link directly to each audio file if you want. On Thu, Mar 9, 2017 at

[Pharo-users] How to remove a class ?

2017-03-09 Thread Hilaire
Hi, One creates by code a new class with: "Object subclass: #Situation". What is the counter part API to remove it from the system? Thanks Hilaire -- Dr. Geo http://drgeo.eu