Re: [Pharo-users] State of Tide / Amber ?

[Herbert Vojčík]

in_pharo_us...@nym.hush.com wrote:

Hi Esteban,

nice to meet you online. I saw your presentation on UTube.

I found your concept quite intriguing, so I wonder why no one else is
interested -
besides the notorious lack of popularity that Smalltalk is cursed with,
to the unreasonable
great benefit of it's fugly spin-offs.

I want to check it out, plus, I want to see the new lean CMS that you
underpinned it with.

Have you encountered or envisioned any drawbacks of your concept, that
would hamper
any techniques neccessary in contemporary web app programming?


Kind regards,

basket




On 13.3.2018 at 4:49 PM, "Esteban Lorenzano"  wrote:



On 13 Mar 2018, at 16:06, in_pharo_us...@nym.hush.com wrote:

Dear List,

I was trying to set up Tide / Amber.

I found a Tide version for Pharo 3, but optimistically I tryed
to set it up with Pharo 6.

Then I went to 5, 4, and then I used 3.

I set Tide up according to the instructions, and well, the JSON
interface seemed to work fine.

This may not be the concern of this list: Then I tried to get
Amber running, but I failed. I found no description thatI was
able to follow to success.

What is the state of Tide? Is it still actively supported, or
has it either vanished into a proprietary enterprise or been
abandoned?

If it went to proprieary, is a successor still available?

Has it been abandoned in relation to technical or other
shortcomings of the concept?

Can anyone help me to get Tide running on Pharo 6?


hi,

AFAIK, nobody is actively using it (and I should know, since I was
one of the developers).
Now, the general idea and implementation of Tide was simple and it
shouldn’t be much work to make it run on Pharo 6.1 (somethings
changed, but I do not think too much in that area).

There is still the problem around Amber, but that’s more a question
for Amber list, I have no idea of its current status (and on how the
amber part of tide would work).


Hi Basket,

feel free to revive it, I don't see why it should not work in Amber, 
there weren't any revolutionary changes there (lots of formal ones, some 
changes in kernel, yes, but I don't think any code actually depended on 
them).


Herby



cheers!
Esteban



Kind regards,

basket

Re: [Pharo-users] Ever growing image

[Hilaire]

Thanks Marcus!


Le 09/03/2018 à 08:12, Marcus Denker a écrit :
we should again do some analysis where space is going… the Pharo7 
download

is now 38MB (the image, decompressed).



down to 36,4 MB in the latest build.



--
Dr. Geo
http://drgeo.eu

Re: [Pharo-users] Ever growing image

[Hilaire]

Simple explanation about the process will be a good start.

For example what is a baseline in the image building? Like in the 
ConfigurationOf...?



Le 13/03/2018 à 20:24, Guillermo Polito a écrit :

I'll take a look at this from tomorrow morning till the end of the week.



--
Dr. Geo
http://drgeo.eu

Re: [Pharo-users] Something is happening...

[Esteban A. Maringolo]

Do we have any metrics on the number of visits we get on the pharo.org
website, which parts are the most visited, etc?

The same regarding web downloads, and so on. I understand that CI can
distort download count if using only access logs, but certainly if we
count a download through the webpage as a "conversion" (and track it
somehow) we would have a better idea how big this is becoming.

But back to your point and as a bystander these days, it is very hard
to be aware of everything that's going on in the Pharo world, and not
because of the associated noise, because there is actually a lot of
things going on. :)

Regards,

Esteban A. Maringolo


2018-03-13 4:27 GMT-03:00 Marcus Denker :
> Hi,
>
> There is something odd happening… or better: There is *a lot* happening.
>
> Just one example: for the Newsletter, the original idea was to send out once
> a month a post with 3 things, some of them recycled (e.g. pointers to
> existing projects, re-use “success stories”, things like that.
>
> Now already some months ago I had to add “and here are some other
> interesting announcements, blog posts, videos”.
>
> But this month, the list of things for the newsletter TODO list contains
> over 60 entries. With the exception of maybe 5, these are just things that
> happened between sending the February newsletter and today.
>
> Newsletter March should be ready till this thursday, I hope, subscribe or
> read the oder ones here: http://newsletter.pharo.org
>
> Marcus

Re: [Pharo-users] SSL Exception when installing DataFrame

[Baveco, Hans]

With a freshly downloaded 6.1 image, started via the Launcher (BTW I had to 
uncheck "Launch image from a login shell" in the Launcher settings before 
anything actually started) I could load NeoCSV from the Catalog. But executing 

Metacello new
baseline: 'Cruiser';
repository: 'github://vincentblondeau/cruiser:master/src';
load.

In a playground resulted in the error:
 
LGit_GIT_ERROR: failed to get server certificate: The handle is in the wrong 
state for the requested operation

Stack copy and debug.log attached...

Trying to install Roassal2 from the Catalog also resulted more or less directly 
in an error message (but that may be a different issue?)

So currently it is not easy to get a working pharo with all the functionality I 
need and came to appreciate so much

Hans

-Original Message-
From: Stephane Ducasse [mailto:stepharo.s...@gmail.com] 
Sent: dinsdag 13 maart 2018 19:04
To: Any question about pharo is welcome 
Subject: Re: [Pharo-users] Pharo-users] SSL Exception when installing DataFrame

I know that Hayatou got the same error while trying to load DataFrame.

Here is what he told me

I use to load DataFrame on Pharo6.1 with Linux it work well

But on Windows 7 Édition Intégrale 64-bit (6.1, Build 7600)
(7600.win7_gdr.110622-1503) with Pharo6.1 it not working. But with
Pharo5 on the same windows 7 it work well



On Tue, Mar 13, 2018 at 10:36 AM, Baveco, Hans  wrote:
> I get the same error when trying to install other packages (e.g. 
> Cruiser) (SSL Exception: connect failed [code:-5]),
>
> Also when trying to do a software update from the System menu.
>
> This is Pharo 6.1 on windows 7
>
>
>
> It might be somehow related to Iceberg: the Iceberg item in the World 
> menu has gone after trying to update??
>
> Hans
>
>
>
>
>
>


LGitReturnCodeEnum>>handleLGitReturnCode
LGitRepository(LGitExternalObject)>>withReturnHandlerDo:
LGitRepository>>clone:options:to:
LGitRepository>>clone:options:
[ repo clone: url options: cloneOptions ] in [ | repo cloneOptions |
repo := LGitRepository on: self location.
cloneOptions := LGitCloneOptions
withCredentialsProvider: IceCredentialsProvider default.
cloneOptions checkoutOptions
checkoutStrategy: LGitCheckoutStrategyEnum git_checkout_none.
[ repo clone: url options: cloneOptions ]
on: LGit_GIT_ERROR
do: [ :e | e acceptError: IceLibgitErrorVisitor new ].
repo
checkout:
(aBranchName
ifNil:
[ self branch ifNotNil: [ :b | b name ] ifNil: 
[ 'master' ] ]).
(LGitRemote of: repo named: 'origin')
lookup;
setUrl: url ] in IceLibgitLocalRepository>>cloneRepositoryFrom:branch: 
in Block: [ repo clone: url options: cloneOptions ]
BlockClosure>>on:do:
[ | repo cloneOptions |
repo := LGitRepository on: self location.
cloneOptions := LGitCloneOptions
withCredentialsProvider: IceCredentialsProvider default.
cloneOptions checkoutOptions
checkoutStrategy: LGitCheckoutStrategyEnum git_checkout_none.
[ repo clone: url options: cloneOptions ]
on: LGit_GIT_ERROR
do: [ :e | e acceptError: IceLibgitErrorVisitor new ].
repo
checkout:
(aBranchName
ifNil:
[ self branch ifNotNil: [ :b | b name ] ifNil: 
[ 'master' ] ]).
(LGitRemote of: repo named: 'origin')
lookup;
setUrl: url ] in IceLibgitLocalRepository>>cloneRepositoryFrom:branch: 
in Block: [ | repo cloneOptions |...
[ self checkInitialized.
aBlock value ] in LGitGlobal class>>runSequence: in Block: [ self 
checkInitialized
[ activeProcess psValueAt: index put: anObject.
aBlock value ] in LGitActionSequence(DynamicVariable)>>value:during: in Block: 
[ activeProcess psValueAt: index put: anObject
BlockClosure>>ensure:
LGitActionSequence(DynamicVariable)>>value:during:
LGitActionSequence class(DynamicVariable class)>>value:during:
LGitGlobal class>>runSequence:
IceLibgitLocalRepository>>cloneRepositoryFrom:branch:
IceRepositoryCreator>>createRepository
[ (IceRepositoryCreator new
url: urlToUse;
subdirectory: repoPath;
branchName: self projectVersion;
createRepository) register ] in [ | urlToUse |
urlToUse := remote url.
[ (IceRepositoryCreator new
url: urlToUse;
subdirectory: repoPath;
branchName: self projectVersion;
createRepository) register ]
on: IceAuthenticationError
do: [ :e | 
self
crLog:
('I got an error while cloning: {1}. I will try 
to clone the HTTPS variant.'
format: {e messageText}).
urlToUse := remote httpsUrl.
e retry ] ] in 
MCGitHubRepository(MCGitBasedNetworkRepository)>>getOrCreateIcebergRepository 
in Block: [ (IceRepositoryCreator new...
BlockClosure>>on:do:
[ | urlToUse |

Re: [Pharo-users] [Pharo-dev] Something is happening...

[Peter Uhnák]

Excellent, thank you!

Peter

On Wed, Mar 14, 2018 at 10:14 AM, Marcus Denker 
wrote:

>
>
> On 14 Mar 2018, at 09:56, Marcus Denker  wrote:
>
>
>
> On 14 Mar 2018, at 09:51, Peter Uhnák  wrote:
>
> Hi,
>
> just couple minor details I've noticed:
>
> I'm looking at website, and it says Jan 2018 twice.
>
> 02/01/2018 - Pharo Newsletter Jan 2018
> 01/10/2018 - Pharo Newsletter Jan 2018
>
>
> Yes, this is a mistake that I did and I do now know if I can fix it (and
> how). The newsletter had the correct subject, but
> the “campaign” the wrong name.
>
> I will contact Mailchimp support. We have so many subscribers that we have
> to pay $20 each month now, but in turn this means we get support.
>
> Also going inside the newsletter, it doesn't actually say for what what
> period it is, e.g. https://us11.campaign-archive.com/?u=
> 6f667565c2569234585a7be77=429297434e I would expect a title "Pharo
> Newsletter Jan 2018" or something like that --- this doesn't matter when it
> arrives my inbox, but looking back at the older mails it is not clear from
> the content when it was (but maybe it is intentional).
>
> Ah, ok. Yes, I will add a header in the future.
>
> I added it already to the March Newsletter.
>
> Marcus
>
>

Re: [Pharo-users] [Pharo-dev] Something is happening...

[Marcus Denker]

> On 14 Mar 2018, at 09:56, Marcus Denker  wrote:
> 
> 
> 
>> On 14 Mar 2018, at 09:51, Peter Uhnák > > wrote:
>> 
>> Hi,
>> 
>> just couple minor details I've noticed:
>> 
>> I'm looking at website, and it says Jan 2018 twice.
>> 
>> 02/01/2018 - Pharo Newsletter Jan 2018
>> 01/10/2018 - Pharo Newsletter Jan 2018
>> 
> 
> Yes, this is a mistake that I did and I do now know if I can fix it (and 
> how). The newsletter had the correct subject, but
> the “campaign” the wrong name.
> 
I will contact Mailchimp support. We have so many subscribers that we have to 
pay $20 each month now, but in turn this means we get support.

>> Also going inside the newsletter, it doesn't actually say for what what 
>> period it is, e.g. 
>> https://us11.campaign-archive.com/?u=6f667565c2569234585a7be77=429297434e 
>> 
>>  I would expect a title "Pharo Newsletter Jan 2018" or something like that 
>> --- this doesn't matter when it arrives my inbox, but looking back at the 
>> older mails it is not clear from the content when it was (but maybe it is 
>> intentional).
>> 
> Ah, ok. Yes, I will add a header in the future.
I added it already to the March Newsletter.

Marcus

Re: [Pharo-users] [Pharo-dev] Something is happening...

[Marcus Denker]

> On 14 Mar 2018, at 09:51, Peter Uhnák  wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> just couple minor details I've noticed:
> 
> I'm looking at website, and it says Jan 2018 twice.
> 
> 02/01/2018 - Pharo Newsletter Jan 2018
> 01/10/2018 - Pharo Newsletter Jan 2018
> 

Yes, this is a mistake that I did and I do now know if I can fix it (and how). 
The newsletter had the correct subject, but
the “campaign” the wrong name.

> Also going inside the newsletter, it doesn't actually say for what what 
> period it is, e.g. 
> https://us11.campaign-archive.com/?u=6f667565c2569234585a7be77=429297434e 
> 
>  I would expect a title "Pharo Newsletter Jan 2018" or something like that 
> --- this doesn't matter when it arrives my inbox, but looking back at the 
> older mails it is not clear from the content when it was (but maybe it is 
> intentional).
> 
Ah, ok. Yes, I will add a header in the future.

Marcus


> Peter
> 
> On Tue, Mar 13, 2018 at 9:08 AM, Tudor Girba  > wrote:
> This might be how super linear growth feels like once you pass the bending 
> point.
> 
> Doru
> 
> 
> > On Mar 13, 2018, at 8:27 AM, Marcus Denker  > > wrote:
> >
> > Hi,
> >
> > There is something odd happening… or better: There is *a lot* happening.
> >
> > Just one example: for the Newsletter, the original idea was to send out 
> > once a month a post with 3 things, some of them recycled (e.g. pointers to 
> > existing projects, re-use “success stories”, things like that.
> >
> > Now already some months ago I had to add “and here are some other 
> > interesting announcements, blog posts, videos”.
> >
> > But this month, the list of things for the newsletter TODO list contains 
> > over 60 entries. With the exception of maybe 5, these are just things that 
> > happened between sending the February newsletter and today.
> >
> > Newsletter March should be ready till this thursday, I hope, subscribe or 
> > read the oder ones here: http://newsletter.pharo.org 
> > 
> >
> >   Marcus
> 
> --
> www.tudorgirba.com 
> www.feenk.com 
> 
> "Value is always contextual."
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 

Re: [Pharo-users] [Pharo-dev] Something is happening...

[Peter Uhnák]

Hi,

just couple minor details I've noticed:

I'm looking at website, and it says Jan 2018 twice.

02/01/2018 - Pharo Newsletter Jan 2018
01/10/2018 - Pharo Newsletter Jan 2018

Also going inside the newsletter, it doesn't actually say for what what
period it is, e.g.
https://us11.campaign-archive.com/?u=6f667565c2569234585a7be77=429297434e
I would expect a title "Pharo Newsletter Jan 2018" or something like that
--- this doesn't matter when it arrives my inbox, but looking back at the
older mails it is not clear from the content when it was (but maybe it is
intentional).

Peter

On Tue, Mar 13, 2018 at 9:08 AM, Tudor Girba  wrote:

> This might be how super linear growth feels like once you pass the bending
> point.
>
> Doru
>
>
> > On Mar 13, 2018, at 8:27 AM, Marcus Denker 
> wrote:
> >
> > Hi,
> >
> > There is something odd happening… or better: There is *a lot* happening.
> >
> > Just one example: for the Newsletter, the original idea was to send out
> once a month a post with 3 things, some of them recycled (e.g. pointers to
> existing projects, re-use “success stories”, things like that.
> >
> > Now already some months ago I had to add “and here are some other
> interesting announcements, blog posts, videos”.
> >
> > But this month, the list of things for the newsletter TODO list contains
> over 60 entries. With the exception of maybe 5, these are just things that
> happened between sending the February newsletter and today.
> >
> > Newsletter March should be ready till this thursday, I hope, subscribe
> or read the oder ones here: http://newsletter.pharo.org
> >
> >   Marcus
>
> --
> www.tudorgirba.com
> www.feenk.com
>
> "Value is always contextual."
>
>
>
>
>
>

Re: [Pharo-users] Something is happening...

[Marcus Denker]

> On 13 Mar 2018, at 08:27, Marcus Denker  wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> There is something odd happening… or better: There is *a lot* happening. 
> 
> Just one example: for the Newsletter, the original idea was to send out once 
> a month a post with 3 things, some of them recycled (e.g. pointers to 
> existing projects, re-use “success stories”, things like that.
> 
> Now already some months ago I had to add “and here are some other interesting 
> announcements, blog posts, videos”. 
> 
> But this month, the list of things for the newsletter TODO list contains over 
> 60 entries. With the exception of maybe 5, these are just things that 
> happened between sending the February newsletter and today.
> 
> Newsletter March should be ready till this thursday, I hope, subscribe or 
> read the oder ones here: http://newsletter.pharo.org 
> 
> 

Newsletter is done… will be send out by the system at 3pm local time.

This time it took a while to go through all the links… it is still odd that all 
this is just Feb 1 to now.

Marcus