Re: [Pharo-users] Older Pharo on MacOS Sierra

[Hilaire]

Will it work with Pharo 3 image?

Le 14/01/2017 à 20:38, Esteban Lorenzano a écrit :
> oops… I forget to update that one.
> I will do it next week, thanks for reporting!
> 
> Esteban

-- 
Dr. Geo
http://drgeo.eu

Re: [Pharo-users] Older Pharo on MacOS Sierra

[Esteban Lorenzano]

> On 14 Jan 2017, at 18:04, Bruce O'Neel  wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> Thanks, that's very nice.
> 
> There is also a mac build here:
> 
> http://files.pharo.org/platform/ 
> 
> and the pharo 4 one does not work.  That's the one I found when I poked 
> around and tested it.

oops… I forget to update that one.
I will do it next week, thanks for reporting!

Esteban

> 
> cheers
> 
> bruce
> 
> 
> 14 janvier 2017 17:39 Esteban Lorenzano  > a écrit:
> 
>> On 14 Jan 2017, at 12:56, Bruce O'Neel > > wrote:
>> 
>> Hi,
>> 
>> Pharo 4 might be hard on MacOS Sierra.
>> 
>> There was a late change to the VM, at least for Squeak, to stop the black 
>> screen on startup on Sierra.Pharo 4 was before that change, and, for 
>> that matter, before Sierra.  Pharo 5 was after and clearly has that change.
> 
> I updated the VM on Pharo 4 to work also on Sierra, so this does not remains 
> true :)
> 
>> 
>> I'm pretty sure that the patches are one of these two:
>> 
>> https://github.com/OpenSmalltalk/opensmalltalk-vm/... 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> https://github.com/OpenSmalltalk/opensmalltalk-vm/... 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> and I'm almost 100% sure that the second is the magic one.
>> 
>> 
>> The simple solution would be to replace the VM in the Pharo 4 bundle with 
>> the VM in the Pharo 5 bundle, but, alas, the VM in the Pharo 5 bundle can't 
>> read the image from Pharo 4.
> 
> no, it will not work, because Pharo 5 is spur and Pharo 4 is not
> 
>> 
>> So it would look as if one's choices are:
>> 
>> * Build the version of the VM from the Pharo 4 bundle, but, apply one or 
>> both of the patches above.
>> * Figure out why Pharo 4 is necessary and move to Pharo 5.
>> * Run a squeak V3 VM and hack something together.  This might not give the 
>> full Pharo experience.
>> 
>> To run the squeak V3 do the following:
>> 
>> Download and unzip the newest Squeak V3 VM.
>> 
>> https://bintray.com/opensmalltalk/vm/download_file... 
>> 
>> 
>> Alt click on the CocoaFast app and choose open.
>> Quit.
>> 
>> Download Pharo 4.  Alt click on Pharo 4 and choose "Show Package Contents."  
>> Navigate to Contents -> Resources.  Drag the "Pharo4.0.image" overtop the 
>> CocoaFast app and it launches.  You do have startup errors, so, you now have 
>> some time to play around.
>> 
>> I realize that neither look so easy, though the second one is probably the 
>> wisest just because the Pharo group moves quickly.
> 
> … or you can download the Pharo 4.0 VM (from here: 
> http://files.pharo.org/get-files/40/ ) 
> and run your Pharo 4.0 and Pharo 3.0 app without problems (I didn’t try Pharo 
> 2.0 and 1.4, but I do not see why they wouldn’t work). 
> now, Pharo 1.0 will not work I think, because it is not a Stack image (it 
> didn’t existed at the time)… there yes, you will need one of the legacy VMs 
> that we do not maintain anymore… for that, there are some VMs around, but I 
> frankly would migrate any 1.0 based image… is work (and maybe hard work), but 
> at the end it will pay :)
> 
> if what you have is a OneClick package, the best approach is to extract your 
> Pharo*.image, Pharo*.changes and Pharo*.sources and then use the Pharo 4.0 VM 
> with them,
> 
> cheers, 
> Esteban
> 
>> 
>> cheers
>> 
>> bruce
>> 
>> 
>> 14 janvier 2017 12:19 Hilaire > a 
>> écrit:
>> I don't know yet Jeff. I don't have either a macos sierra at hand. Once 
>> a Mac OS Sierra user reported me the problem your are mentioning[1], but 
>> I did not get very far investigating the problem. 
>> 
>> For me it is not clear at all from[2] if there is any Mac VM 4.0. May be 
>> Esteban can enlighten us. 
>> 
>> [1] http://forum.drgeo.eu/DrGeo-pb-mac-os-Sierra-td402... 
>>  
>> [2] http://pharo.org/download  
>> Le 14/01/2017 à 11:35, J.F. Rick a écrit : 
>> > So, what's the proper procedure? I just moved my Pharo4 to the 
>> > Application directory and it didn't work? Launched but the window is 
>> > black. Is there a new Pharo4 VM for MacOS? If so, where is it? 
>> >  
>> > Thanks, 
>> >  
>> > Jeff 
>> 
>> --  
>> Dr. Geo 
>> http://drgeo.eu 

Re: [Pharo-users] Older Pharo on MacOS Sierra

[Bruce O'Neel]

Hi,  
  
Thanks, that's very nice.  
  
There is also a mac build here:  
  
[http://files.pharo.org/platform/](http://files.pharo.org/platform/)  
  
and the pharo 4 one does not work.  That's the one I found when I poked around 
and tested it.  
  
cheers  
  
bruce  
  
  
On 14 Jan 2017, at 12:56, Bruce O'Neel  wrote:Hi,Pharo 4 might be hard on MacOS 
Sierra.There was a late change to the VM, at least for Squeak, to stop the 
black screen on startup on Sierra.    Pharo 4 was before that change, and, for 
that matter, before Sierra.  Pharo 5 was after and clearly has that change.I 
updated the VM on Pharo 4 to work also on Sierra, so this does not remains true 
:)I'm pretty sure that the patches are one of these 
two:https://github.com/OpenSmalltalk/opensmalltalk-vm/...https://github.com/OpenSmalltalk/opensmalltalk-vm/...and
 I'm almost 100% sure that the second is the magic one.The simple solution 
would be to replace the VM in the Pharo 4 bundle with the VM in the Pharo 5 
bundle, but, alas, the VM in the Pharo 5 bundle can't read the image from Pharo 
4.no, it will not work, because Pharo 5 is spur and Pharo 4 is notSo it would 
look as if one's choices are:* Build the version of the VM from the Pharo 4 
bundle, but, apply one or both of the patches above.* Figure out why Pharo 4 is 
necessary and move to Pharo 5.* Run a squeak V3 VM and hack something together. 
 This might not give the full Pharo experience.To run the squeak V3 do the 
following:Download and unzip the newest Squeak V3 
VM.https://bintray.com/opensmalltalk/vm/download_file...Alt click on the 
CocoaFast app and choose open.Quit.Download Pharo 4.  Alt click on Pharo 4 and 
choose "Show Package Contents."  Navigate to Contents -> Resources.  Drag the 
"Pharo4.0.image" overtop the CocoaFast app and it launches.  You do have 
startup errors, so, you now have some time to play around.I realize that 
neither look so easy, though the second one is probably the wisest just because 
the Pharo group moves quickly.�� or you can download the Pharo 4.0 VM (from 
here: http://files.pharo.org/get-files/40/) and run your Pharo 4.0 and Pharo 
3.0 app without problems (I didn�t try Pharo 2.0 and 1.4, but I do not see why 
they wouldn�t work). now, Pharo 1.0 will not work I think, because it is not a 
Stack image (it didn�t existed at the time)�� there yes, you will need one of 
the legacy VMs that we do not maintain anymore�� for that, there are some VMs 
around, but I frankly would migrate any 1.0 based image�� is work (and maybe 
hard work), but at the end it will pay :)if what you have is a OneClick 
package, the best approach is to extract your Pharo*.image, Pharo*.changes and 
Pharo*.sources and then use the Pharo 4.0 VM with them,cheers, 
Estebancheersbruce14 janvier 2017 12:19 Hilaire  a écrit:I don't know yet Jeff. 
I don't have either a macos sierra at hand. Once  a Mac OS Sierra user reported 
me the problem your are mentioning[1], but  I did not get very far 
investigating the problem.  For me it is not clear at all from[2] if there is 
any Mac VM 4.0. May be  Esteban can enlighten us.  [1] 
http://forum.drgeo.eu/DrGeo-pb-mac-os-Sierra-td402... [2] 
http://pharo.org/download Le 14/01/2017 à 11:35, J.F. Rick a écrit :  > So, 
what's the proper procedure? I just moved my Pharo4 to the  > Application 
directory and it didn't work? Launched but the window is  > black. Is there a 
new Pharo4 VM for MacOS? If so, where is it?  >   > Thanks,  >   > Jeff  --   
Dr. Geo http://drgeo.eu  
  

Re: [Pharo-users] Older Pharo on MacOS Sierra

[Esteban Lorenzano]

> On 14 Jan 2017, at 12:56, Bruce O'Neel  wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> Pharo 4 might be hard on MacOS Sierra.
> 
> There was a late change to the VM, at least for Squeak, to stop the black 
> screen on startup on Sierra.Pharo 4 was before that change, and, for that 
> matter, before Sierra.  Pharo 5 was after and clearly has that change.

I updated the VM on Pharo 4 to work also on Sierra, so this does not remains 
true :)

> 
> I'm pretty sure that the patches are one of these two:
> 
> https://github.com/OpenSmalltalk/opensmalltalk-vm/... 
> 
> 
> 
> https://github.com/OpenSmalltalk/opensmalltalk-vm/... 
> 
> 
> 
> and I'm almost 100% sure that the second is the magic one.
> 
> 
> The simple solution would be to replace the VM in the Pharo 4 bundle with the 
> VM in the Pharo 5 bundle, but, alas, the VM in the Pharo 5 bundle can't read 
> the image from Pharo 4.

no, it will not work, because Pharo 5 is spur and Pharo 4 is not

> 
> So it would look as if one's choices are:
> 
> * Build the version of the VM from the Pharo 4 bundle, but, apply one or both 
> of the patches above.
> * Figure out why Pharo 4 is necessary and move to Pharo 5.
> * Run a squeak V3 VM and hack something together.  This might not give the 
> full Pharo experience.
> 
> To run the squeak V3 do the following:
> 
> Download and unzip the newest Squeak V3 VM.
> 
> https://bintray.com/opensmalltalk/vm/download_file... 
> 
> 
> Alt click on the CocoaFast app and choose open.
> Quit.
> 
> Download Pharo 4.  Alt click on Pharo 4 and choose "Show Package Contents."  
> Navigate to Contents -> Resources.  Drag the "Pharo4.0.image" overtop the 
> CocoaFast app and it launches.  You do have startup errors, so, you now have 
> some time to play around.
> 
> I realize that neither look so easy, though the second one is probably the 
> wisest just because the Pharo group moves quickly.

… or you can download the Pharo 4.0 VM (from here: 
http://files.pharo.org/get-files/40/ ) 
and run your Pharo 4.0 and Pharo 3.0 app without problems (I didn’t try Pharo 
2.0 and 1.4, but I do not see why they wouldn’t work). 
now, Pharo 1.0 will not work I think, because it is not a Stack image (it 
didn’t existed at the time)… there yes, you will need one of the legacy VMs 
that we do not maintain anymore… for that, there are some VMs around, but I 
frankly would migrate any 1.0 based image… is work (and maybe hard work), but 
at the end it will pay :)

if what you have is a OneClick package, the best approach is to extract your 
Pharo*.image, Pharo*.changes and Pharo*.sources and then use the Pharo 4.0 VM 
with them,

cheers, 
Esteban

> 
> cheers
> 
> bruce
> 
> 
> 14 janvier 2017 12:19 Hilaire  a écrit:
> I don't know yet Jeff. I don't have either a macos sierra at hand. Once 
> a Mac OS Sierra user reported me the problem your are mentioning[1], but 
> I did not get very far investigating the problem. 
> 
> For me it is not clear at all from[2] if there is any Mac VM 4.0. May be 
> Esteban can enlighten us. 
> 
> [1] http://forum.drgeo.eu/DrGeo-pb-mac-os-Sierra-td402... 
>  
> [2] http://pharo.org/download  
> Le 14/01/2017 à 11:35, J.F. Rick a écrit : 
> > So, what's the proper procedure? I just moved my Pharo4 to the 
> > Application directory and it didn't work? Launched but the window is 
> > black. Is there a new Pharo4 VM for MacOS? If so, where is it? 
> > 
> > Thanks, 
> > 
> > Jeff 
> 
> -- 
> Dr. Geo 
> http://drgeo.eu  
> 
> 
> 
> 

Re: [Pharo-users] Older Pharo on MacOS Sierra

[Esteban Lorenzano]

Hi,

Pharo 4.0 (and related VMs) can be downloaded from here:

http://files.pharo.org/get-files/40/ 


Esteban

> On 14 Jan 2017, at 12:19, Hilaire  wrote:
> 
> I don't know yet Jeff. I don't have either a macos sierra at hand. Once
> a Mac OS Sierra user reported me the problem your are mentioning[1], but
> I did not get very far investigating the problem.
> 
> For me it is not clear at all from[2] if there is any Mac VM 4.0. May be
> Esteban can enlighten us.
> 
> [1] http://forum.drgeo.eu/DrGeo-pb-mac-os-Sierra-td4024957.html
> [2] http://pharo.org/download
> Le 14/01/2017 à 11:35, J.F. Rick a écrit :
>> So, what's the proper procedure? I just moved my Pharo4 to the
>> Application directory and it didn't work? Launched but the window is
>> black. Is there a new Pharo4 VM for MacOS? If so, where is it?
>> 
>> Thanks,
>> 
>> Jeff
> 
> -- 
> Dr. Geo
> http://drgeo.eu
> 
> 

Re: [Pharo-users] Older Pharo on MacOS Sierra

[Bruce O'Neel]

Hi,  
  
Pharo 4 might be hard on MacOS Sierra.  
  
There was a late change to the VM, at least for Squeak, to stop the black 
screen on startup on Sierra.    Pharo 4 was before that change, and, for that 
matter, before Sierra.  Pharo 5 was after and clearly has that change.  
  
I'm pretty sure that the patches are one of these two:  
  
[https://github.com/OpenSmalltalk/opensmalltalk-vm/...](https://github.com/OpenSmalltalk/opensmalltalk-vm/commit/70ada3a6e4983891a5dae08f04169fd661a74913)
  
  
  
[https://github.com/OpenSmalltalk/opensmalltalk-vm/...](https://github.com/OpenSmalltalk/opensmalltalk-vm/commit/f2b5cf27f81e50c65537972a89ddee9e0aac39c2)
  
  
  
and I'm almost 100% sure that the second is the magic one.  
  
  
The simple solution would be to replace the VM in the Pharo 4 bundle with the 
VM in the Pharo 5 bundle, but, alas, the VM in the Pharo 5 bundle can't read 
the image from Pharo 4.  
  
So it would look as if one's choices are:  
  
* Build the version of the VM from the Pharo 4 bundle, but, apply one or both 
of the patches above.  
* Figure out why Pharo 4 is necessary and move to Pharo 5.  
* Run a squeak V3 VM and hack something together.  This might not give the full 
Pharo experience.  
  
To run the squeak V3 do the following:  
  
Download and unzip the newest Squeak V3 VM.  
  
[https://bintray.com/opensmalltalk/vm/download_file...](https://bintray.com/opensmalltalk/vm/download_file?file_path=cog_macos32x86_squeak.cog.v3_201701140950.tar.gz)
  
  
Alt click on the CocoaFast app and choose open.  
Quit.  
  
Download Pharo 4.  Alt click on Pharo 4 and choose "Show Package Contents."  
Navigate to Contents -> Resources.  Drag the "Pharo4.0.image" overtop the 
CocoaFast app and it launches.  You do have startup errors, so, you now have 
some time to play around.  
  
I realize that neither look so easy, though the second one is probably the 
wisest just because the Pharo group moves quickly.  
  
cheers  
  
bruce  
  
  
I don't know yet Jeff. I don't have either a macos sierra at hand. Once 
 a Mac OS Sierra user reported me the problem your are mentioning[1], but 
 I did not get very far investigating the problem. 

 For me it is not clear at all from[2] if there is any Mac VM 4.0. May be 
 Esteban can enlighten us. 

 [1] http://forum.drgeo.eu/DrGeo-pb-mac-os-Sierra-td402...
 [2] http://pharo.org/download
 Le 14/01/2017 à 11:35, J.F. Rick a écrit : 
 > So, what's the proper procedure? I just moved my Pharo4 to the 
 > Application directory and it didn't work? Launched but the window is 
 > black. Is there a new Pharo4 VM for MacOS? If so, where is it? 
 >  
 > Thanks, 
 >  
 > Jeff 

 --  
 Dr. Geo 
http://drgeo.eu


  
  

Re: [Pharo-users] Older Pharo on MacOS Sierra

[Hilaire]

I don't know yet Jeff. I don't have either a macos sierra at hand. Once
a Mac OS Sierra user reported me the problem your are mentioning[1], but
I did not get very far investigating the problem.

For me it is not clear at all from[2] if there is any Mac VM 4.0. May be
Esteban can enlighten us.

[1] http://forum.drgeo.eu/DrGeo-pb-mac-os-Sierra-td4024957.html
[2] http://pharo.org/download
Le 14/01/2017 à 11:35, J.F. Rick a écrit :
> So, what's the proper procedure? I just moved my Pharo4 to the
> Application directory and it didn't work? Launched but the window is
> black. Is there a new Pharo4 VM for MacOS? If so, where is it?
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Jeff

-- 
Dr. Geo
http://drgeo.eu

Re: [Pharo-users] Older Pharo on MacOS Sierra

[J.F. Rick]

So, what's the proper procedure? I just moved my Pharo4 to the Application
directory and it didn't work? Launched but the window is black. Is there a
new Pharo4 VM for MacOS? If so, where is it?

Thanks,

Jeff

On Fri, Jan 13, 2017 at 3:12 PM Hilaire  wrote:

> Ok, nice to hear that. I will have to change the VM sooner or later for
> DrGeo then.
>
> Le 13/01/2017 à 16:44, Esteban Lorenzano a écrit :
> > yes they do.
> > you just have to download the vm for Pharo4
> >
> > (vry old versions of Pharo maybe will not work, but who knows :P)
> >
> > Esteban
>
> --
> Dr. Geo
> http://drgeo.eu
>
>
>

Re: [Pharo-users] Older Pharo on MacOS Sierra

[Hilaire]

Ok, nice to hear that. I will have to change the VM sooner or later for
DrGeo then.

Le 13/01/2017 à 16:44, Esteban Lorenzano a écrit :
> yes they do.
> you just have to download the vm for Pharo4
> 
> (vry old versions of Pharo maybe will not work, but who knows :P)
> 
> Esteban

-- 
Dr. Geo
http://drgeo.eu

Re: [Pharo-users] Older Pharo on MacOS Sierra

[Esteban Lorenzano]

yes they do.
you just have to download the vm for Pharo4

(vry old versions of Pharo maybe will not work, but who knows :P)

Esteban

> On 13 Jan 2017, at 14:58, J.F. Rick  wrote:
> 
> While Pharo5 works in Sierra if I place it in the Applications directory, 
> older Pharo versions don't. While the image opens, I just get a giant black 
> window. Any way around this?
> 
> Happy New Year!
> 
> Jeff