[Phono-L] wow! TAE on the front page of the SF Chronicle today!
Gang - Imagine my surprise this morning to find a lengthy article about scientists doing optical recovery of sound from moldy cylinders and damaged discs, including a color picture of an Edison Standard: http://sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/c/a/2004/07/12/ MNGJP7JRC21.DTL the scientists' website is: http://www-cdf.lbl.gov/~av/ pretty cool... -- Peter pjfra...@alamedanet.net To announce that there must be no criticism of the president, or that we are to stand by the president, right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public. -- Theodore Roosevelt, speaking on President Wilson's crackdown on dissent after the U.S. entered W.W.I
[Phono-L] wow! TAE on the front page of the SF Chronicle today!
Wow, this is amazing. To hear the samples on the scientists' website is probably best done with a high speed internet connection, but the blue amberol optical recording is beyond belief! Dan - Original Message - From: Peter Fraser pjfra...@alamedanet.net To: Antique Phonograph List phon...@oldcrank.com Sent: Monday, July 12, 2004 8:08 AM Subject: [Phono-L] wow! TAE on the front page of the SF Chronicle today! Gang - Imagine my surprise this morning to find a lengthy article about scientists doing optical recovery of sound from moldy cylinders and damaged discs, including a color picture of an Edison Standard: http://sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/c/a/2004/07/12/ MNGJP7JRC21.DTL the scientists' website is: http://www-cdf.lbl.gov/~av/ pretty cool... -- Peter pjfra...@alamedanet.net To announce that there must be no criticism of the president, or that we are to stand by the president, right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public. -- Theodore Roosevelt, speaking on President Wilson's crackdown on dissent after the U.S. entered W.W.I ___ Phono-l mailing list phon...@oldcrank.com http://mail.oldcrank.com/mailman/listinfo/phono-l_oldcrank.com
[Phono-L] wow! TAE on the front page of the SF Chronicle today!
I agree... fantastic technology. It was just a matter of time. Loran On Jul 12, 2004, at 7:36 PM, Daniel Melvin wrote: Wow, this is amazing. To hear the samples on the scientists' website is probably best done with a high speed internet connection, but the blue amberol optical recording is beyond belief! Dan
[Phono-L] wow! TAE on the front page of the SF Chronicle today!
What is needed now is to get these scientists an original tin foil recording. Their method should be able to recover the sound recorded on the sheet which was once wrapped around a mandrel. Ron L -Original Message- From: phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.com [mailto:phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.com]on Behalf Of Daniel Melvin Sent: Monday, July 12, 2004 10:37 PM To: Antique Phonograph List Subject: Re: [Phono-L] wow! TAE on the front page of the SF Chronicle today! Wow, this is amazing. To hear the samples on the scientists' website is probably best done with a high speed internet connection, but the blue amberol optical recording is beyond belief! Dan - Original Message - From: Peter Fraser pjfra...@alamedanet.net To: Antique Phonograph List phon...@oldcrank.com Sent: Monday, July 12, 2004 8:08 AM Subject: [Phono-L] wow! TAE on the front page of the SF Chronicle today! Gang - Imagine my surprise this morning to find a lengthy article about scientists doing optical recovery of sound from moldy cylinders and damaged discs, including a color picture of an Edison Standard: http://sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/c/a/2004/07/12/ MNGJP7JRC21.DTL the scientists' website is: http://www-cdf.lbl.gov/~av/ pretty cool... -- Peter pjfra...@alamedanet.net To announce that there must be no criticism of the president, or that we are to stand by the president, right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public. -- Theodore Roosevelt, speaking on President Wilson's crackdown on dissent after the U.S. entered W.W.I ___ Phono-l mailing list phon...@oldcrank.com http://mail.oldcrank.com/mailman/listinfo/phono-l_oldcrank.com ___ Phono-l mailing list phon...@oldcrank.com http://mail.oldcrank.com/mailman/listinfo/phono-l_oldcrank.com
[Phono-L] wow! TAE on the front page of the SF Chronicle today!
In a message dated 7/14/04 5:33:05 AM Pacific Daylight Time, lhera...@bu.edu writes: What is needed now is to get these scientists an original tin foil recording -- I will be working with them on this. They are very interested in the idea and I've sent samples of modern recordings I've made on genuine tinfoil to use in experiments. My contacts at the Ford Museum are extremely interested in the idea, hoping to play their Sarah Bernhardt tinfoil sheet. This could very well lead to some interesting discoveries. Best regards, Rene Rondeau From AllenAmet Wed Jul 14 20:27:45 2004 From: AllenAmet (allena...@aol.com) Date: Sun Dec 24 13:10:47 2006 Subject: [Phono-L] wow! TAE on the front page of the SF Chronicle today! Message-ID: 1cd.25ca0828.2e273...@aol.com In a message dated 7/14/2004 8:44:12 PM Eastern Daylight Time, taediso...@aol.com writes: . My contacts at the Ford Museum are extremely interested in the idea, hoping to play their Sarah Bernhardt tinfoil sheet. This could very well lead to some interesting discoveries. * It will probably take some doing with the 1880 Sarah - she has been divided over the years. I believe there is also a Joseph Henry tinfoil at the Smithsonian. Allen www.phonobooks.com
[Phono-L] wow! TAE on the front page of the SF Chronicle today!
Please keep us informed. What a fantastic turn of events. Ron L -Original Message- From: phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.com [mailto:phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.com] On Behalf Of taediso...@aol.com Sent: Wednesday, July 14, 2004 8:44 PM To: phon...@oldcrank.com Subject: Re: [Phono-L] wow! TAE on the front page of the SF Chronicle today! In a message dated 7/14/04 5:33:05 AM Pacific Daylight Time, lhera...@bu.edu writes: What is needed now is to get these scientists an original tin foil recording -- I will be working with them on this. They are very interested in the idea and I've sent samples of modern recordings I've made on genuine tinfoil to use in experiments. My contacts at the Ford Museum are extremely interested in the idea, hoping to play their Sarah Bernhardt tinfoil sheet. This could very well lead to some interesting discoveries. Best regards, Rene Rondeau ___ Phono-l mailing list phon...@oldcrank.com http://mail.oldcrank.com/mailman/listinfo/phono-l_oldcrank.com
[Phono-L] wow! TAE on the front page of the SF Chronicle today!
In a message dated 7/14/04 6:28:12 PM Pacific Daylight Time, allena...@aol.com writes: It will probably take some doing with the 1880 Sarah - she has been divided over the years. - The fact that it has been cut in half is relatively minor since the recording has to be digitally stitched together anyway to track from one groove to the next once it is in the flat. They don't consider that to be an important issue. What will be difficult, however, is working around all the other damage -- crushed grooves, crumbling foil, holes, etc. There is only one smal section on that sheet which is undamaged. I doubt that a really good transcription could ever be gotten from it, but at the very least it should be possible to hear if the voice on the foil is female and French-accented. But who knows, with enough effort it might be almost completely audible. It's definitely an exciting prospect. Best regards, Rene From AllenAmet Wed Jul 14 21:21:06 2004 From: AllenAmet (allena...@aol.com) Date: Sun Dec 24 13:10:47 2006 Subject: [Phono-L] wow! TAE on the front page of the SF Chronicle today! Message-ID: 1ed.254b58fd.2e274...@aol.com In a message dated 7/14/2004 9:58:54 PM Eastern Daylight Time, taediso...@aol.com writes: But who knows, with enough effort it might be almost completely audible. It's definitely an exciting prospect. Hi Rene, The Nov 1880 newspaper, if I recall, does mention what the contents are, in terms of what she sang and recited that night. That may help a bit. It would be great to have Sarah together again! Allen
[Phono-L] wow! TAE on the front page of the SF Chronicle today!
In a message dated 7/14/04 7:21:37 PM Pacific Daylight Time, allena...@aol.com writes: The Nov 1880 newspaper, if I recall, does mention what the contents are, in terms of what she sang and recited that night. That may help a bit. --- New York Herald, Monday, November 29, 1880: BERNHARDT AND EDISON. The Clever Actress Pays a Visit to the Wizard of Menlo Park -- Inspecting the Curiosities of the Laboratory [] Every now and again she made an effort to speak English to Mr. Edison, using the few words she knew with capital effect, winning hearts all round as she rattled on. The phonograph was the marvel of all. Mr. Edison spoke into it, one of his assistants spoke into it, and then they sang songs to it and whistled and chanted duets, which the instrument gave back again, to the intense amusement of all present. Mlle. Bernhardt then spoke into it, reciting passages from 'Phedre' and 'Hernani.' These the phonograph gave back as perfectly as it did the others, without a mistake of language or emphasis. Leaving the laboratory Mlle. Bernhardt declared that Edison was a sorcerer, and she knew he would do something one day that would astonish the world. This leaves open the interesting possibility that the sheet at the Ford Museum might contain Edison's voice in addition to Bernhardt's. The article doesn't indicate whether the foil was replaced on the mandrel between their recordings, but we do know that the record was made on a brass Bergmann Exhibition machine with 40 threads per inch, which can give a recording of 3-4 minutes in length depending upon cranking speed. Best regards, Rene Rondeau From AllenAmet Thu Jul 15 15:05:35 2004 From: AllenAmet (allena...@aol.com) Date: Sun Dec 24 13:10:47 2006 Subject: [Phono-L] wow! TAE on the front page of the SF Chronicle today! Message-ID: 8e.fc2b8bf.2e283...@aol.com In a message dated 7/15/2004 3:28:57 PM Eastern Daylight Time, taediso...@aol.com writes: This leaves open the interesting possibility that the sheet at the Ford Museum might contain Edison's voice in addition to Bernhardt's. Tom and Sarah at Menlo Park - yes, the first hit duet. She saw him as the Napoleon of Invention. What a tantalizing possibility! Did anyone bother to save that tinfoil recording made for the 50th anniversary - the recreated Mary Had a little Lamb? Allen
[Phono-L] wow! TAE on the front page of the SF Chronicle today!
In a message dated 7/15/04 1:06:39 PM Pacific Daylight Time, allena...@aol.com writes: Did anyone bother to save that tinfoil recording made for the 50th anniversary - the recreated Mary Had a little Lamb? Not as far as I know. It's definitely not at the Edison Site, but perhaps a VIP in attendance may have kept it as a souvenir. We may never know. Best regards, Rene From maffit2 Fri Jul 16 15:44:14 2004 From: maffit2 (Bob Maffit) Date: Sun Dec 24 13:10:47 2006 Subject: [Phono-L] disassembly questions Message-ID: 000d01c46b75$a25a5070$931b9...@maffit phono folks: Well I went to an auction last weekend that I mentioned in a previous post. I bought a Victor 8-35 x for $225.00 and am now trying to work on it. When I was loading the machine I noticed the pivot pin on the tone arm bracket was loose but didn't have any tools with me. I wrapped the tone arme and cast bracket up with a towel hoping that nothing would move and brake. Well, nothing broke, however The pivot pin is no ware to be foune. I have attempted to remove the tone arm and bracket to inspect and maybe locate the pivot pin. I have removed a few Orthorphonic tone arms before and also repaired some by replacing the reproduction cast bracket. I removed the 4 screws from the plate that fastens to the wood base and had hoped to just lift the assembly out to inspect. NO, not going to happen! It seems still quite secure and will not budge. Does the model have something I haven't run into by way of design? I did not remove the 2 screws that hold the cast part to the base plate as it has been my experience that feature only holds the two parts together. I hope that I have described my problem well enough. I already have chipped the cast part a bit and don't want to do any more damage. Suggestions, comments, recommendations? Thanks Bob From maffit2 Sun Jul 18 09:27:34 2004 From: maffit2 (Bob Maffit) Date: Sun Dec 24 13:10:47 2006 Subject: [Phono-L] Victor 8-35 x Message-ID: 000c01c46cd3$586156d0$931b9...@maffit Phono folks: As you may recall, I had posted a note to inquire about my Victor 8-35 x in terms of the tone arm. Well, I got it removed. It appears that the gasket that is between the tone arm and the throat of the horn was the culprit. I WDed it and then with a hair dryer heated the horn throat from the bottom under side and pried with a knife and it broke loose . Thanks Bob From CENFIN Sun Jul 18 09:48:46 2004 From: CENFIN (cen...@comcast.net) Date: Sun Dec 24 13:10:47 2006 Subject: [Phono-L] need antiques insurance contact Message-ID: 071520041914.6747.40f6d7b2000a651e1a5b2200750784b2b7b0b2b...@comcast.net I have a fine arts policy through State Farm. Its an all risk floater and covers my entire collection. My agent took photos of my high end items. and I update the listing every year. It not only covers phonographs but all mechancal music items as well as Art and vintage Tvs and radios. I highly recommend State Farm. Because I had a claim once, and they paid it without question. A shipper dropped a large Orchestrion doing $16,000 damage, and they denied that they did it. State farm paid me for the repairs and then went after the shipper. Al Menashe. -- Original message -- Phono folks: some time ago I saw a post that gave an insurance contact for a insurance agent/co. that one could use to get a rider to cover phonos. I would appreciate it if someone still has it, if they could send it to me as I am making changes to my residential insurance policy and want to make sure my phonos are covered. thanks in advance Bob ___ Phono-l mailing list phon...@oldcrank.com http://mail.oldcrank.com/mailman/listinfo/phono-l_oldcrank.com From Filerphono Sun Jul 18 14:58:38 2004 From: Filerphono (filerph...@aol.com) Date: Sun Dec 24 13:10:47 2006 Subject: [Phono-L] Edison Standard ICS Tag Needed + Dealer Tag Message-ID: 127.45d3fa78.2e2c3...@aol.com Hi, folks. I just picked up a real nice Edison Standard International Coorespondence School (ICS) machine. It is complete except it's missing the small celluoid tag that is on the front, along the bottom molding. The holes are there, but no tag. Any help would be appreciated. I also need a dealer tag for a Victrola that I have. The tag was a painted tag, and it appears somebody used a powerful solvent to clean things up and the solvent removed all of the paint on the tag. It is 5/8 x 2 long. Thanks for your help, and please reply to me off list, filerph...@aol.com. regards, Joe Filer From drgregc Sun Jul 18 17:18:52 2004 From: drgregc (Greg) Date: Sun Dec 24 13:10:47 2006 Subject: [Phono-L] In Praise Of Steve Farmer Message-ID: 035801c46d15$32fdef60$2f01a...@moonbasealpha Based on the recommendation of this list others, I sent my Victor R to Steve Farmer (Vintage Talking Machines) in Oceanside,
