[Phono-L] Interesting Edison item on Craigslist

2008-02-25 Thread John Maeder

Greg, et.al. -- The fact that Morgan contracted Edison to invent metered power 
is the reason he dropped research on the phonograph like a hot potato in 1878 
and plunged full on into the light bulb, etc.  

Wifey started out in life with a degree in psychology and a job as a state-paid 
social worker.  Her specialization was in vocational testing.  In order to make 
ends meet, she took a part-time second job at a credit call center.  Within a 
short time, the credit people offered her a full-time job at better pay, enough 
she could actually live on.  That was 35 years ago . . . the rest is history.  
She started out with the best intentions, but couldn't live on a social workers 
salary.  She's not  a CEO and while well-paid, is pretty far down the GE totem 
pole.  She is gone out of state all week long and only home on weekends, not a 
life-style we recommend to anybody.  She would be the first to agree with you 
about over-paid executives.  Nothing you say would offend.  As Edward Abbey 
wrote: Capitalism: Growth for the sake of growth -- the ideology of the cancer 
cell.  We're both old hippies.  John

 From: gbogan...@charter.net
 To: phono-l@oldcrank.org
 Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Interesting Edison item on Craigslist
 Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2008 16:59:39 -0500
 
 John,
 
 You may be right about J.P. Morgan contracting with Edison for a metered 
 power invention.  I know that Edison spent time developing several systems 
 for metering DC power (quite different from the present system we use for 
 metering AC power).  He came up with at least one system that involved an 
 electro-chemical meter that essentially plated one metal from one electrode 
 to another.  By weighing the electrodes, the amount of current passing thru 
 the meter could be determined.  Edison did a lot of development work under 
 contract.  In fact, Edison is remembered today among the technically 
 oriented establishment as the inventor of the research and RD laboratory 
 concepts.  Before Edison, technical research was primarily done by 
 independent inventors like Edison.  His primary motivator in his career was 
 inventing.  He always referred to himself as an inventor, not a scientist or 
 engineer.  Toward that end, he developed tools and procedures that aided in 
 inventing things.  When he was able to accrue enough funding, the natural 
 evolution of that disposition was to invent the invention shop.  At Menlo 
 Park and again at West Orange, he had people employed for the sole purpose 
 of researching ideas (pure research) and in trying to find ways to employ 
 those ideas in the making of practical products (research and development). 
 He was the first employer to do this in history, and thus became the 
 inventor of the RD laboratory.
 
 I'm sitting here biting my tongue so that I don't say anything more on 
 the subject of executives at big corporations.  Such as the fact that CEO 
 actually refers to the CRIMINALLY EXCESSIVELY OVERPAID.
 
 I forgot to comment earlier on the price of that Edison dynamo on 
 Craigslist.  There are collectors of early electric motors and related 
 paraphernalia who would probably know much better about the worth of this 
 piece.  But I have seen such items go for this kind of price on eBay.  I'm 
 sure its value depends on its particular model and condition, but this is 
 probably a ballpark value for it these days.
 
 Greg Bogantz
 
 
 
 - Original Message - 
 From: John Maeder appywan...@hotmail.com
 To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org
 Sent: Monday, February 25, 2008 4:20 PM
 Subject: RE: [Phono-L] Interesting Edison item on Craigslist
 
 
 
 Greg -- I am actually under the impression that Edison was approached and 
 contracted by J.P. Morgan to invent metered power and the practical 
 applications thereof.  Speaking of one of the biggest cash cows in Murkan 
 history . . . my wife is (grudgingly) an executive with GEMoney (formerly 
 GE Credit)!  John
 
  From: gbogan...@charter.net
  To: phono-l@oldcrank.org
  Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Interesting Edison item on Craigslist
  Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2008 15:17:18 -0500
 
  That's an Edison motor-dynamo.  The design of it would date to the 
  invention
  of the incandescent lamp in 1879 or thereabouts, so the 1882 patent date 
  is
  probably right.  Edison had to invent the entire power generation,
  distribution, and consumer product line of products right along with the
  lamp to ensure that there was a market for the lamp products.  He 
  literally
  had to invent the entire market for distributed-power electricity in the
  home and much of industry and small businesses.  Most people either don't
  know this or have forgotten it in all the hoopla over the lamp and the
  phonograph.  Unlike Rockefeller and Vanderbilt in his own gilded age, and
  Bill Gates, Rupert Murdock, and all the other fat capitalist pigs of our
  modern Second Gilded Age (have YOUR wages kept up with inflation? 
  Murdock's
  has

[Phono-L] Interesting Edison item on Craigslist

2008-02-25 Thread George Glastris
This dynamo has been on Ebay a few times, and taken down quickly (at least I 
think it's the same one)
I have a feeling it's a scam.


- Original Message - 
From: Greg Bogantz gbogan...@charter.net
To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org
Sent: Monday, February 25, 2008 2:17 PM
Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Interesting Edison item on Craigslist


 That's an Edison motor-dynamo.  The design of it would date to the 
 invention of the incandescent lamp in 1879 or thereabouts, so the 1882 
 patent date is probably right.  Edison had to invent the entire power 
 generation, distribution, and consumer product line of products right 
 along with the lamp to ensure that there was a market for the lamp 
 products.  He literally had to invent the entire market for 
 distributed-power electricity in the home and much of industry and small 
 businesses.  Most people either don't know this or have forgotten it in 
 all the hoopla over the lamp and the phonograph.  Unlike Rockefeller and 
 Vanderbilt in his own gilded age, and Bill Gates, Rupert Murdock, and all 
 the other fat capitalist pigs of our modern Second Gilded Age (have YOUR 
 wages kept up with inflation?  Murdock's has and plenty more), Edison 
 wasn't in business to get filthy, stinking rich.  He could have EASILY 
 done so with several of his inventions, the lamp and its accoutrements in 
 particular.  He wanted to invent things.  He sold them so that he could 
 afford to buy more equipment and personnel to invent more things. 
 Consequently, he created the Edison General Electric Company, together 
 with some fat cash investors to handle the drudgery of  dealing with the 
 whole lamp and power distribution business.  When he needed more cash for 
 his laboratory, he sold out his interest in the company to the fat butts, 
 they dropped the Edison from the company name, and they went on to 
 create one of the biggest cash cows in Murkan history.

 Greg Bogantz



 - Original Message - 
 From: John Maeder appywan...@hotmail.com
 To: phono-l@oldcrank.org
 Sent: Monday, February 25, 2008 2:02 PM
 Subject: [Phono-L] Interesting Edison item on Craigslist



 Here's an interesting piece of Edisonia . . . is this as early as the 
 patent indicates?  Don't know if the price is good or not.  John

 http://huntsville.craigslist.org/grd/580738136.html
 ___
 Phono-L mailing list
 http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
 ___
 Phono-L mailing list
 http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
 



[Phono-L] Interesting Edison item on Craigslist

2008-02-25 Thread Loran T. Hughes
Agreed. Although off topic posts are allowed, let's keep it civil and  
relevant.

Loran

On Feb 25, 2008, at 6:03 PM, Ken and Brenda Brekke wrote:

 Loran has a great site here so let's please keep this forum for  
 phonograph
 related topics.  The original topic was related to an Interesting  
 Edison
 item on Craigslist  The two links below are not called for.