Re: [PHP-DB] My Comments

[Jim Giner]

Ethan,

I've spent several hours - at least 7-8 - working with you on this 
latest project.  As you know it has morphed from one "problem" to 
another in the course of days.  Yes - miscommunication on your part 
which you took responsibility for.  That happens.  I even had a whole 
new pair of working scripts tested out and ready to send to you when you 
informed me of this snafu.  But - when you took the functional, working 
example scripts that I wrote and previously gave to you and turned them 
into something unrecognizable and non-functional I realized that I am 
helping the blind.  You don't know the least bit about html structure. 
You don't understand how to code in 3 different "languages" at the same 
time and make them readable, workable, and maintainable.   You also 
don't understand how to diagnose your problem and present it to this 
community in a way that's fathomable and understandable to someone who 
has no clue what your overall goal is.  Sure you may want to include the 
whole g..d... script at this point, but again, that's not what you want 
to do.  You need to debug, to isolate, and to work hard at getting to 
the root of your problem and then, and ONLY THEN, come to others with 
your request for help.  Present a clearly manageable and functioning 
piece of code that you feel is the problem area and ask for help on it.


It is also clear to me that you cannot see the forest for the trees when 
it comes to designing and developing your programming solutions.  After 
our miscommunication and the alteration of your solution from one 
involving an ajax call to obtain data "behind the scenes", two days 
later you post a request for help on exactly that thing.


Your latest plea for help was *impossible* to look at from the outside 
and help you with.  You had the same repeated statements in it.  You 
even had a loop executing twice in it - what's up with that?  You throw 
pieces of your coding attempts at us that clearly don't fit together and 
expect us to make something of it.


And lastly - you just don't get it.  You are dealing with a forum of 
people who have a better understanding of the things you are trying to 
grasp and yet you persevere in blaming us for not helping you.  This is 
not the first time you have complained about that.  And yet you haven't 
learned from it.


For the last time ( on my part at least), LOOKAT THE SCRIPTS I GAVE YOU. 
 STUDY THEM LIKE YOU WOULD A CHEMISTRY BOOK.  THIS IS THE WAY YOU 
SHOULD LEARN TO CODE.  From this point forward adopt *that* style of 
coding until you can morph it into your own style (which everyone has). 
 Only at that point will you be able to converse knowledgeably with the 
people here of whom you are asking for help.  Karl has clearly told you 
the same thing yet you took it with offense (as I'm sure you will this 
letter).  Think - there is a reason behind our harshness.  We could have 
just laughed ourselves silly and ignored your posts instead of putting 
time and effort into trying to interpret and help (when possible) and be 
faced time and again with the same clearly unmanageable contexts in your 
confusing posts.


You can choose to ignore this blatantly punishing post and call me 
whatever you wish.  I just could not ignore your silly rejoinder to the 
latest criticism of your attempt at coding.  I'm sure you regretted 
hitting Send almost immediately.


And one more thing - I realize that you are so very proud of that 'PhD' 
at the end of your name.  Well, I'm sure I can speak for many of us here 
- it means nothing.  Painfully obvious when you demonstrate such 
woefully poor computer skills that have not changed one bit in the 6-8 
months that I (and others) have been reading and responding to your 
posts.  Besides - it's a degree in Chemistry.  It's of no use here and I 
would think it's an embarassment to you by now that you continue to tout 
your academic prowess yet do not show the slightest bit of improvement 
as a student of PHP.


By the way - Fortran is nothing like the kind of involved technology 
that you are attempting to work with now.  Why do you keep pointing it 
out?  Many of us (older folks) here probably wrote Fortran at some point 
in our careers - do you think any of us remember the first thing about 
it?  Or use anything gleaned from it in today's world?


Sincerely, seriously, and known for holding no punches,
Jim Giner


ps - if you want my unsent, last attempts that I mentioned, drop me a 
line.  Or not.


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Re: [PHP-DB] My Comments

[Karl DeSaulniers]

On Feb 21, 2013, at 3:08 PM, Ethan Rosenberg, PhD wrote:


Dear List -

Correction

William N. Lipscomb, Jr.

Ethan


Dear List -

I feel, and correct me if I am wrong, that a list as this or  
similar, should be devoted to help and not sarcasm.  I try to be  
quiet and to not "toot my horn", but as events have progressed, I  
feel I must.


As you all know, I have a PhD. It is in Chemistry.  The thesis is a  
mathematical approximation to the solution of the "three body  
system", using the Helium atom as a model. The thesis is 300 pages:  
150 of Mathematics and 150 of FORTRAN.


Graduate students are known to ask stupid questions, and I had my  
share of them.


In the course of the research I needed help, both in quantum  
mechanics and mathematics. As I was close to Boston, MA, I sought  
out help from MIT and Harvard from:


Prof. William J Lipscomb, Nobel Prize in Chemistry, (1976)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_Lipscomb
He placed his research group at my disposal..

and

Prof. Richard Courant, director of what is now the Courant Institute  
of Mathematical Sciences  at New York University.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_Courant
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ 
Courant_Institute_of_Mathematical_Sciences
On a visit to MIT, he graciously gave me help with some mathematics  
I needed for my thesis.


Neither of them told me to read my books and stop bothering them  
with such trivia. They were helpful, gracious and gently pointed out  
my errors


My two cents.

Ethan


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Ethan,
A few suggestions to you at this point.
From your post, I myself can tell your HTML is wrong. Fix your html  
to show the correct way.
Then make sure your javascript and PHP are separated correctly  
according to language standards and how they are to be sectioned  
within the HTML.
Then try the previous suggested work arounds and if those don't work,  
then submit a shortened version of your post.
Once people see that your going to "go along to get along", they may  
be more app to help you with your issues.
No one really cares about what you know or what degree you have  
outside web development. Your here asking for help with things you  
obviously DO NOT have a degree in.
The people here really do want to help you, believe it or not. But  
they are not going to help tout your ego or continue to butt heads  
with a stubborn person.
They'll just let it alone and let you fend for yourself. Just a  
suggestion, all sarcasm aside.


Best,

Karl DeSaulniers
Design Drumm
http://designdrumm.com


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Re: [PHP-DB] My Comments

[Matijn Woudt]

On Thu, Feb 21, 2013 at 10:08 PM, Ethan Rosenberg, PhD <
erosenb...@hygeiabiomedical.com> wrote:
>
> Dear List -
>
> I feel, and correct me if I am wrong, that a list as this or similar,
> should be devoted to help and not sarcasm.  I try to be quiet and to not
> "toot my horn", but as events have progressed, I feel I must.
> <<>>
> Ethan
>
>
Ethan,

First of all, Professors and PhD students get paid, we don't. There are
plenty of people that want to spends hours and hours with your PHP problems
if they get paid.
Second, the amount of questions on this list you ask are higher than
average.
Third, you have been given quite a lot tips on how to learn PHP better, how
to learn other things, including tips on how to make it easier for us to
answer your questions by providing better information your questions. But
somehow you seem to ignore those.

My third point is maybe the most important one. We all try to help, but if
the person asking questions does not take the effort to make it easier for
the ones that help (voluntary!), it's not worth the effort. You might have
noticed that I simply ignore the questions you ask, because of this.

- Matijn

Re: [PHP-DB] My Comments

[Karl DeSaulniers]

On Feb 21, 2013, at 3:08 PM, Ethan Rosenberg, PhD wrote:


Dear List -

Correction

William N. Lipscomb, Jr.

Ethan


Dear List -

I feel, and correct me if I am wrong, that a list as this or  
similar, should be devoted to help and not sarcasm.  I try to be  
quiet and to not "toot my horn", but as events have progressed, I  
feel I must.


As you all know, I have a PhD. It is in Chemistry.  The thesis is a  
mathematical approximation to the solution of the "three body  
system", using the Helium atom as a model. The thesis is 300 pages:  
150 of Mathematics and 150 of FORTRAN.


Graduate students are known to ask stupid questions, and I had my  
share of them.


In the course of the research I needed help, both in quantum  
mechanics and mathematics. As I was close to Boston, MA, I sought  
out help from MIT and Harvard from:


Prof. William J Lipscomb, Nobel Prize in Chemistry, (1976)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_Lipscomb
He placed his research group at my disposal..

and

Prof. Richard Courant, director of what is now the Courant Institute  
of Mathematical Sciences  at New York University.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_Courant
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ 
Courant_Institute_of_Mathematical_Sciences
On a visit to MIT, he graciously gave me help with some mathematics  
I needed for my thesis.


Neither of them told me to read my books and stop bothering them  
with such trivia. They were helpful, gracious and gently pointed out  
my errors


My two cents.

Ethan


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Ethan,
Yes but this is the websphere.
Things are done differently here in that respect.
We are not getting paid to listen to your problems.
It is out of respect for the open source community that we all do this.
That being said, there is an amount of etiquette you will have to  
learn on your own or by people not wanting to help you as a newbie  
poster here.


I know this because on my very first post I got practically yelled at.
It will get better with time if you learn how to listen and how to  
take the approach of not asking every time you have a problem,
but more so research the heck out of your problem first and do as much  
as you can on your own.


Ever heard of the teddy bear technique?

The other thing about building web pages is the fact that it is  
basically a language your learning.
So like me trying to ask directions in spanish, you may not get very  
far if you don't learn the basics of the languages people speak here  
IE: PHP, HTML, etc...


GL 2 U,

Best,

Karl DeSaulniers
Associates in Visual Communications (Graphic Design)
Self Taught HTML, CSS, Javascript, Ajax, JQuery, XML, PHP and MySQL   
toot toot!

Design Drumm
http://designdrumm.com


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