Re: [PHP-DB] another redirecting question
On Friday 30 May 2003 23:11, Ovaltine wrote: At some point you need to force users to upgrade. In the case of javascript I don't think 'upgrade' is an issue here. The vast majority of browsers are certainly capable of executing javascript, rather the issue is the people who consciously choose to disable it (to get rid of pop-up ads, to prevent stupid websites from disabling your right-mouse button, and any number of other annoyances). As designer/programmer, it's almost impossible to design solutions for every situation. Is it really worth the time and effort to modify code for a user using godforsaken OS with little known limited functionaily browser? I say no as do some other major sites like ESPN. http://devedge.netscape.com/viewsource/2003/espn-interview/01/ I think you chose the wrong article to illustrate your point, because it does nothing to support your argument. They redesigned their website to look to the future when more and more browsers will be supporting CSS, DHTML etc. In the case of javascript, I think I can safely say that as people are more internet-savvy the proportion of browsers which have it disabled by choice will increase. Development is a process. At one point, a decision has to be made as to the technical constraints of a site. In today's world it is completely realistic to force users to enable JavaScripting ... In the context of PHP in general, if it can be done server-side do it server-side. Only rely on (if it can be relied upon!) javascript as a last resort. And in the context of this thread in particular, the problem is ... The scripts I need to run before I redirect automatically send output to the browser. I cannot alter these scripts. ... server-side and the solution is to alter the 'unalterable' scripts to prevent any output. It is better to solve the problem at the places where you have control (at the server) rather than pass the problem onto places where you have no control (the user's browser). -- Jason Wong - Gremlins Associates - www.gremlins.biz Open Source Software Systems Integrators * Web Design Hosting * Internet Intranet Applications Development * -- Search the list archives before you post http://marc.theaimsgroup.com/?l=php-db -- /* He who always plows a straight furrow is in a rut. */ -- PHP Database Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP-DB] another redirecting question
Hi Grant.. I've tested it and it doesn't resubmit this information a second time. I have a page called submit.php where users can upload pictures. Once they submit, it goes to submitpics.php for processing and creates a session. Then it's redirected to submit.php which reads the session and destroys it after it read it. All in all, it is as if submitpics.php never existed. metin At 10:52 AM 5/30/2003 -0500, Grant Rutherford wrote: Hi I did actually encounter that problem. However, wouldn't redirecting properly still allow the user to resubmit the information using the back button? I solved this problem a different way by setting and clearing session variables on entry and exit to a series of pages. Grant On Fri, 2003-05-30 at 10:25, Metin Kale wrote: Well, if you're inserting some data into a database and the person refreshes the page, it would re-insert the data again into the database. Including the page like you did at the end wouldn't change that fundamental problem, hence why you'd want to have it redirect to another page. Metin At 10:20 AM 5/30/2003 -0500, Grant Rutherford wrote: I'm very new to PHP so somebody correct me please if this is a bad idea... I had the same problem and I ended up just including the second page at the end of the first one: ?php // some stuff (output if necessary) include 'nextpage.php'; die(); ? Grant On Fri, 2003-05-30 at 09:43, Rick Dahl wrote: The scripts I need to run before I redirect automatically send output to the browser. I cannot alter these scripts. Is there a way around this? Rick -- Grant Rutherford Iders Incorporated 600A Clifton Street Winnipeg, MB Canada R3G 2X6 http://www.iders.ca tel: 204-779-5400 ext 36 fax: 204-779-5444 This message is intended solely for the use of the designated recipient(s) and their appointed delegates, and may contain confidential information. Any unauthorized disclosure, copying or distribution of its contents is strictly prohibited. If you have received this message in error, please destroy it and advise the sender immediately by phone, email or facsimile. -- PHP Database Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php -- PHP Database Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php -- PHP Database Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
RE: [PHP-DB] another redirecting question
use javascript for your redirects then you wont have these problems -Original Message- From: Rick Dahl [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 30 May 2003 15:43 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [PHP-DB] another redirecting question The scripts I need to run before I redirect automatically send output to the browser. I cannot alter these scripts. Is there a way around this? Rick -- PHP Database Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
RE: [PHP-DB] another redirecting question
If the user has disabled JavaScript in the browser doesn't that create another problem? -Original Message- From: Griffiths, Daniel [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, May 30, 2003 10:44 AM To: Rick Dahl; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [PHP-DB] another redirecting question use javascript for your redirects then you wont have these problems -Original Message- From: Rick Dahl [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 30 May 2003 15:43 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [PHP-DB] another redirecting question The scripts I need to run before I redirect automatically send output to the browser. I cannot alter these scripts. Is there a way around this? Rick -- PHP Database Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php -- PHP Database Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP-DB] another redirecting question
If the user has disabled JavaScript in the browser doesn't that create another problem? Yes, it does. You've already said you're not going to rewrite your code so it's correct, though, so why worry about disabled javascript? John Holmes... -- PHP Database Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
RE: [PHP-DB] another redirecting question
good point, you could output a link for the user to click if they have turned it off. Another method would be to do the processing on the same page so that a redirect is not needed, just use a flag in the post or get array to run the nessasry script. -Original Message- From: Hutchins, Richard [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 30 May 2003 15:47 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [PHP-DB] another redirecting question If the user has disabled JavaScript in the browser doesn't that create another problem? -Original Message- From: Griffiths, Daniel [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, May 30, 2003 10:44 AM To: Rick Dahl; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [PHP-DB] another redirecting question use javascript for your redirects then you wont have these problems -Original Message- From: Rick Dahl [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 30 May 2003 15:43 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [PHP-DB] another redirecting question The scripts I need to run before I redirect automatically send output to the browser. I cannot alter these scripts. Is there a way around this? Rick -- PHP Database Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php -- PHP Database Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php -- PHP Database Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
RE: [PHP-DB] another redirecting question
Rick, The way I solved this problem is to have the output sent to a variable, let's say $temp_data, create a session and store $temp_data as a session variable, redirect to another page where I can read $temp_data and have it displayed on that page by calling it. Hopefully my explanation is clear enough and suits your needs.. Metin -Original Message- From: Rick Dahl [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 30 May 2003 15:43 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [PHP-DB] another redirecting question The scripts I need to run before I redirect automatically send output to the browser. I cannot alter these scripts. Is there a way around this? Rick -- PHP Database Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php -- PHP Database Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php -- PHP Database Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
RE: [PHP-DB] another redirecting question
At some point you need to force users to upgrade. As designer/programmer, it's almost impossible to design solutions for every situation. Is it really worth the time and effort to modify code for a user using godforsaken OS with little known limited functionaily browser? I say no as do some other major sites like ESPN. http://devedge.netscape.com/viewsource/2003/espn-interview/01/ Development is a process. At one point, a decision has to be made as to the technical constraints of a site. In today's world it is completely realistic to force users to enable JavaScripting ... //ariel -Original Message- From: Hutchins, Richard [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, May 30, 2003 10:47 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [PHP-DB] another redirecting question If the user has disabled JavaScript in the browser doesn't that create another problem? -Original Message- From: Griffiths, Daniel [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, May 30, 2003 10:44 AM To: Rick Dahl; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [PHP-DB] another redirecting question use javascript for your redirects then you wont have these problems -Original Message- From: Rick Dahl [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 30 May 2003 15:43 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [PHP-DB] another redirecting question The scripts I need to run before I redirect automatically send output to the browser. I cannot alter these scripts. Is there a way around this? Rick -- PHP Database Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php -- PHP Database Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php -- PHP Database Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP-DB] another redirecting question
I'm very new to PHP so somebody correct me please if this is a bad idea... I had the same problem and I ended up just including the second page at the end of the first one: ?php // some stuff (output if necessary) include 'nextpage.php'; die(); ? Grant On Fri, 2003-05-30 at 09:43, Rick Dahl wrote: The scripts I need to run before I redirect automatically send output to the browser. I cannot alter these scripts. Is there a way around this? Rick -- Grant Rutherford Iders Incorporated 600A Clifton Street Winnipeg, MB Canada R3G 2X6 http://www.iders.ca tel: 204-779-5400 ext 36 fax: 204-779-5444 This message is intended solely for the use of the designated recipient(s) and their appointed delegates, and may contain confidential information. Any unauthorized disclosure, copying or distribution of its contents is strictly prohibited. If you have received this message in error, please destroy it and advise the sender immediately by phone, email or facsimile. -- PHP Database Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP-DB] another redirecting question
Well, if you're inserting some data into a database and the person refreshes the page, it would re-insert the data again into the database. Including the page like you did at the end wouldn't change that fundamental problem, hence why you'd want to have it redirect to another page. Metin At 10:20 AM 5/30/2003 -0500, Grant Rutherford wrote: I'm very new to PHP so somebody correct me please if this is a bad idea... I had the same problem and I ended up just including the second page at the end of the first one: ?php // some stuff (output if necessary) include 'nextpage.php'; die(); ? Grant On Fri, 2003-05-30 at 09:43, Rick Dahl wrote: The scripts I need to run before I redirect automatically send output to the browser. I cannot alter these scripts. Is there a way around this? Rick -- Grant Rutherford Iders Incorporated 600A Clifton Street Winnipeg, MB Canada R3G 2X6 http://www.iders.ca tel: 204-779-5400 ext 36 fax: 204-779-5444 This message is intended solely for the use of the designated recipient(s) and their appointed delegates, and may contain confidential information. Any unauthorized disclosure, copying or distribution of its contents is strictly prohibited. If you have received this message in error, please destroy it and advise the sender immediately by phone, email or facsimile. -- PHP Database Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php -- PHP Database Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP-DB] another redirecting question
Hi I did actually encounter that problem. However, wouldn't redirecting properly still allow the user to resubmit the information using the back button? I solved this problem a different way by setting and clearing session variables on entry and exit to a series of pages. Grant On Fri, 2003-05-30 at 10:25, Metin Kale wrote: Well, if you're inserting some data into a database and the person refreshes the page, it would re-insert the data again into the database. Including the page like you did at the end wouldn't change that fundamental problem, hence why you'd want to have it redirect to another page. Metin At 10:20 AM 5/30/2003 -0500, Grant Rutherford wrote: I'm very new to PHP so somebody correct me please if this is a bad idea... I had the same problem and I ended up just including the second page at the end of the first one: ?php // some stuff (output if necessary) include 'nextpage.php'; die(); ? Grant On Fri, 2003-05-30 at 09:43, Rick Dahl wrote: The scripts I need to run before I redirect automatically send output to the browser. I cannot alter these scripts. Is there a way around this? Rick -- Grant Rutherford Iders Incorporated 600A Clifton Street Winnipeg, MB Canada R3G 2X6 http://www.iders.ca tel: 204-779-5400 ext 36 fax: 204-779-5444 This message is intended solely for the use of the designated recipient(s) and their appointed delegates, and may contain confidential information. Any unauthorized disclosure, copying or distribution of its contents is strictly prohibited. If you have received this message in error, please destroy it and advise the sender immediately by phone, email or facsimile. -- PHP Database Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php -- PHP Database Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
