Re: [PHP-DEV] [Fwd: Re: [Zend Engine 2] Case sensitivity: Conclusion(?)]

2002-02-10 Thread Stig S. Bakken
On Wed, 2002-02-06 at 22:36, Jani Taskinen wrote: Many scripts will break anyway if you update to PHP 5.. +1 (still) for case-sensitivity which would make the language more conistent. Or if this is ruled out, then let's make all variables and constants case-insensitive too. It is so

Re: [PHP-DEV] Re: [Zend Engine 2] Re: [PHP-DEV] [Fwd: Re: [Zend Engine 2] Case sensitivity: Conclusion(?)]

2002-02-07 Thread Hartmut Holzgraefe
Yasuo Ohgaki wrote: Case of names can be easily converted by program. do you think it will be easy in this situation?: ?php function myCompare($arg1,$arg2) { } [...] $sorted_array=usort($array,myCompare); [...] $sorted_array=usort($array,mycompare); [...] ? and, by the way: what kind of a

Re: [PHP-DEV] [Fwd: Re: [Zend Engine 2] Case sensitivity: Conclusion(?)]

2002-02-07 Thread Andi Gutmans
At 07:58 AM 2/7/2002 +0100, Stig S. Bakken wrote: After careful consideration on the CS issue I must say I agree with John here. The _only_ case where I feel CS is a problem, is when dealing with other environments. But the price for changing this today is simply too high. It should have been

[PHP-DEV] Re: [Zend Engine 2] Re: [PHP-DEV] [Fwd: Re: [Zend Engine 2] Case sensitivity: Conclusion(?)]

2002-02-07 Thread Yasuo Ohgaki
Andi Gutmans wrote: At 07:58 AM 2/7/2002 +0100, Stig S. Bakken wrote: *SNIP* I agree and I'll try and check if pretty names can be handled. Errors with case senstive names are intuitive to fix. While errors with name space change is _not_ intuitive to where and what is wrong. If we didn't

[PHP-DEV] [Fwd: Re: [Zend Engine 2] Case sensitivity: Conclusion(?)]

2002-02-06 Thread Yasuo Ohgaki
Hi all, I'm posting this for those who are not subscribing Zend Engine 2 list. Many of developers seems to have case sensitivity for class/function names. However, we need vote for if PHP5 will have case sensitive class/function/constant names. If you have comments, please submit one. PS: We

RE: [PHP-DEV] [Fwd: Re: [Zend Engine 2] Case sensitivity: Conclusion(?)]

2002-02-06 Thread Marc Boeren
However, we need vote for if PHP5 will have case sensitive class/function/constant names. +1 for case-sensitive everything Cheerio, Marc. -- PHP Development Mailing List http://www.php.net/ To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php

Re: [PHP-DEV] [Fwd: Re: [Zend Engine 2] Case sensitivity: Conclusion(?)]

2002-02-06 Thread Marko Karppinen
However, we need vote for if PHP5 will have case sensitive class/function/constant names. +1 for case-sensitive everything -1. Differentiating two objects only by the case of their names seems absurd to me. This is not how humans function. Ease of implementation is the only thing speaking

RE: [PHP-DEV] [Fwd: Re: [Zend Engine 2] Case sensitivity: Conclusion(?)]

2002-02-06 Thread Marc Boeren
oci and gd extensions had mixed-case names for ages, but you see both mixed- and all-lower case usage all over the place now OK, I see your point. I'll start writing a little shellscript that recursively crawls through your filesystem, updating every text-file against a list of

Re: [PHP-DEV] [Fwd: Re: [Zend Engine 2] Case sensitivity: Conclusion(?)]

2002-02-06 Thread Marko Karppinen
Marc wrote: I don't think people should write code that differentiates by case, but case-sensitive coding leads to consistency in naming, so you will not read MySQL_ConneCt somewhere and mysql_connect somewhere else, while it means the same thing... If you just want to promote case-accurate

Re: [PHP-DEV] [Fwd: Re: [Zend Engine 2] Case sensitivity: Conclusion(?)]

2002-02-06 Thread Thies C. Arntzen
On Wed, Feb 06, 2002 at 07:40:18PM +0900, Yasuo Ohgaki wrote: Hi all, I'm posting this for those who are not subscribing Zend Engine 2 list. Many of developers seems to have case sensitivity for class/function names. However, we need vote for if PHP5 will have case sensitive

Re: [PHP-DEV] [Fwd: Re: [Zend Engine 2] Case sensitivity: Conclusion(?)]

2002-02-06 Thread Gary Benson
On Wed, 6 Feb 2002, Brent R. Matzelle wrote: --- Marko Karppinen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: However, we need vote for if PHP5 will have case sensitive class/function/constant names. +1 for case-sensitive everything -1. Differentiating two objects only by the case of their

Re: [PHP-DEV] [Fwd: Re: [Zend Engine 2] Case sensitivity: Conclusion(?)]

2002-02-06 Thread John Lim
Thanks for posting this request for comments, Yasuo. I think from a C developer's point of view, it makes perfect sense to have case-sensitivity. From a scripting point-of-view, I think it is a step backward. Studies by the Python group have shown that case-sensitivity is a serious barrier for

RE: [PHP-DEV] [Fwd: Re: [Zend Engine 2] Case sensitivity: Conclusion(?)]

2002-02-06 Thread Robinson, Mike
Title: RE: [PHP-DEV] [Fwd: Re: [Zend Engine 2] Case sensitivity: Conclusion(?)] Thies C. Arntzen writes: On Wed, Feb 06, 2002 at 07:40:18PM +0900, Yasuo Ohgaki wrote: Hi all, I'm posting this for those who are not subscribing Zend Engine 2 list. Many of developers seems

Re: [PHP-DEV] [Fwd: Re: [Zend Engine 2] Case sensitivity: Conclusion(?)]

2002-02-06 Thread Andi Gutmans
I very much agree with this Email and am -1. Andi At 11:01 PM 2/6/2002 +0800, John Lim wrote: Thanks for posting this request for comments, Yasuo. I think from a C developer's point of view, it makes perfect sense to have case-sensitivity. From a scripting point-of-view, I think it is a step

Re: [PHP-DEV] [Fwd: Re: [Zend Engine 2] Case sensitivity: Conclusion(?)]

2002-02-06 Thread Sander Steffann
Hi, IMHO making PHP case sensitive after being case-INsensitive for so many years is a very bad idea. The reasons are already mentioned on the list. For us (ISP in The Netherlands) the most important one is BC. We would not be able to upgrade any of our servers when this would go into PHP5. A

Re: [PHP-DEV] [Fwd: Re: [Zend Engine 2] Case sensitivity: Conclusion(?)]

2002-02-06 Thread Jani Taskinen
Many scripts will break anyway if you update to PHP 5.. +1 (still) for case-sensitivity which would make the language more conistent. Or if this is ruled out, then let's make all variables and constants case-insensitive too. It is so confusing for all the newbies when $FOO isn't same as $foo.

Re: [PHP-DEV] [Fwd: Re: [Zend Engine 2] Case sensitivity: Conclusion(?)]

2002-02-06 Thread Jason Greene
On Wed, 2002-02-06 at 05:37, Marko Karppinen wrote: Markus: You have the wrong book then. Painless integration with other technologies is the main argument (.NET, SOAP, SRM [didn't forget it this time, Derick ;)]) I have some trouble believing that this is a real-world problem.

Re: [PHP-DEV] [Fwd: Re: [Zend Engine 2] Case sensitivity: Conclusion(?)]

2002-02-06 Thread Jason Greene
On Wed, 2002-02-06 at 10:13, Zeev Suraski wrote: While I agree with Marko's vote (I'm also very much against it), I derive my conclusion from a whole different perspective. Guys, we are not next to the drawing board right now. The specs were defined and the layout was laid years ago.

Re: [PHP-DEV] [Fwd: Re: [Zend Engine 2] Case sensitivity: Conclusion(?)]

2002-02-06 Thread Jason Greene
+1 for case sensitivity On Wed, 2002-02-06 at 15:36, Jani Taskinen wrote: Many scripts will break anyway if you update to PHP 5.. +1 (still) for case-sensitivity which would make the language more conistent. Or if this is ruled out, then let's make all variables and constants

Re: [PHP-DEV] [Fwd: Re: [Zend Engine 2] Case sensitivity: Conclusion(?)]

2002-02-06 Thread derick
No need to vote, it won't change anyways :) Derick On 6 Feb 2002, Jason Greene wrote: +1 for case sensitivity On Wed, 2002-02-06 at 15:36, Jani Taskinen wrote: Many scripts will break anyway if you update to PHP 5.. +1 (still) for case-sensitivity which would make the language