[PHP-DEV] DOM XML uses non-DOM compliant calls
I could not help but notice that all DOM XML calls use an underscore-based convention: i.e. $mynode-append_child($achild); I am no language lawyer but if you read the DOM Core documentation (http://www.w3.org/TR/DOM-Level-3-Core/core.html) it suggests a case-based (no underscore) convention: i.e. $mynode-appendChild($achild); Also, every DOM compliant library that I've looked at uses this same convention. Will the case-based convention be used in PHP 4.3.0? If not then it should be considered as it seems to be a violation of the DOM. Warm regards, Brent __ Do You Yahoo!? LAUNCH - Your Yahoo! Music Experience http://launch.yahoo.com -- PHP Development Mailing List http://www.php.net/ To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP-DEV] DOM XML uses non-DOM compliant calls
Hello, can you file a change/feature request for this @ bugs.php.net ? Derick On Tue, 14 May 2002, Brent R. Matzelle wrote: I could not help but notice that all DOM XML calls use an underscore-based convention: i.e. $mynode-append_child($achild); I am no language lawyer but if you read the DOM Core documentation (http://www.w3.org/TR/DOM-Level-3-Core/core.html) it suggests a case-based (no underscore) convention: i.e. $mynode-appendChild($achild); Also, every DOM compliant library that I've looked at uses this same convention. Will the case-based convention be used in PHP 4.3.0? If not then it should be considered as it seems to be a violation of the DOM. Warm regards, Brent __ Do You Yahoo!? LAUNCH - Your Yahoo! Music Experience http://launch.yahoo.com -- PHP Development Mailing List http://www.php.net/ To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php --- Did I help you? http://www.jdimedia.nl/derick/link.php?url=giftlist Frequent ranting: http://www.jdimedia.nl/derick/ --- PHP: Scripting the Web - [EMAIL PROTECTED] All your branches are belong to me! SRM: Script Running Machine - www.vl-srm.net --- -- PHP Development Mailing List http://www.php.net/ To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP-DEV] DOM XML uses non-DOM compliant calls
Hi, not giong to happen. It's a PHP convention to use underscores to separate words (this was discussed ~ half a year ago afaik). - Markus On Tue, May 14, 2002 at 12:49:50PM -0700, Brent R. Matzelle wrote : I could not help but notice that all DOM XML calls use an underscore-based convention: i.e. $mynode-append_child($achild); I am no language lawyer but if you read the DOM Core documentation (http://www.w3.org/TR/DOM-Level-3-Core/core.html) it suggests a case-based (no underscore) convention: i.e. $mynode-appendChild($achild); Also, every DOM compliant library that I've looked at uses this same convention. Will the case-based convention be used in PHP 4.3.0? If not then it should be considered as it seems to be a violation of the DOM. Warm regards, Brent __ Do You Yahoo!? LAUNCH - Your Yahoo! Music Experience http://launch.yahoo.com -- PHP Development Mailing List http://www.php.net/ To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php -- Please always Cc to me when replying to me on the lists. GnuPG Key: http://guru.josefine.at/~mfischer/C2272BD0.asc - I mean When in doubt, blame mcrypt is more often right than wrong :) Always right, never wrong :) - Two PHP developers who want to remain unnamed -- PHP Development Mailing List http://www.php.net/ To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP-DEV] DOM XML uses non-DOM compliant calls
--- Markus Fischer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: not giong to happen. It's a PHP convention to use underscores to separate words (this was discussed ~ half a year ago afaik). I realize that this is a PHP convention, but I do not think that it is up to PHP developers to change published coding standards. How are users of different programming languages expected to convert? 'Replace all' is not an acceptable answer. Brent __ Do You Yahoo!? LAUNCH - Your Yahoo! Music Experience http://launch.yahoo.com -- PHP Development Mailing List http://www.php.net/ To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP-DEV] DOM XML uses non-DOM compliant calls
On Tue, 14 May 2002, Brent R. Matzelle wrote: --- Markus Fischer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: not giong to happen. It's a PHP convention to use underscores to separate words (this was discussed ~ half a year ago afaik). I realize that this is a PHP convention, but I do not think that it is up to PHP developers to change published coding standards. How are users of different programming languages expected to convert? 'Replace all' is not an acceptable answer. The same is true for keeping the function names in PHP consistent. It's a choice, and IMO we made the correct choice. Derick --- Did I help you? http://www.jdimedia.nl/derick/link.php?url=giftlist Frequent ranting: http://www.jdimedia.nl/derick/ --- PHP: Scripting the Web - [EMAIL PROTECTED] All your branches are belong to me! SRM: Script Running Machine - www.vl-srm.net --- -- PHP Development Mailing List http://www.php.net/ To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP-DEV] DOM XML uses non-DOM compliant calls
Hi, btw, not my personal opinion :) I just wanted to let you know this was discussed so you can search the archives for it. Btw, first you said 'w3c convention' now it's a standard? anyway - Markus On Tue, May 14, 2002 at 01:27:40PM -0700, Brent R. Matzelle wrote : --- Markus Fischer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: not giong to happen. It's a PHP convention to use underscores to separate words (this was discussed ~ half a year ago afaik). I realize that this is a PHP convention, but I do not think that it is up to PHP developers to change published coding standards. How are users of different programming languages expected to convert? 'Replace all' is not an acceptable answer. Brent __ Do You Yahoo!? LAUNCH - Your Yahoo! Music Experience http://launch.yahoo.com -- PHP Development Mailing List http://www.php.net/ To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php -- Please always Cc to me when replying to me on the lists. GnuPG Key: http://guru.josefine.at/~mfischer/C2272BD0.asc - I mean When in doubt, blame mcrypt is more often right than wrong :) Always right, never wrong :) - Two PHP developers who want to remain unnamed -- PHP Development Mailing List http://www.php.net/ To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP-DEV] DOM XML uses non-DOM compliant calls
Why don't we just add alias... so it will be BC and so we don't get shunned on by people like that. - Brad --- Markus Fischer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, btw, not my personal opinion :) I just wanted to let you know this was discussed so you can search the archives for it. Btw, first you said 'w3c convention' now it's a standard? anyway - Markus On Tue, May 14, 2002 at 01:27:40PM -0700, Brent R. Matzelle wrote : --- Markus Fischer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: not giong to happen. It's a PHP convention to use underscores to separate words (this was discussed ~ half a year ago afaik). I realize that this is a PHP convention, but I do not think that it is up to PHP developers to change published coding standards. How are users of different programming languages expected to convert? 'Replace all' is not an acceptable answer. Brent __ Do You Yahoo!? LAUNCH - Your Yahoo! Music Experience http://launch.yahoo.com -- PHP Development Mailing List http://www.php.net/ To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php -- Please always Cc to me when replying to me on the lists. GnuPG Key: http://guru.josefine.at/~mfischer/C2272BD0.asc - I mean When in doubt, blame mcrypt is more often right than wrong :) Always right, never wrong :) - Two PHP developers who want to remain unnamed -- PHP Development Mailing List http://www.php.net/ To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php __ Do You Yahoo!? LAUNCH - Your Yahoo! Music Experience http://launch.yahoo.com -- PHP Development Mailing List http://www.php.net/ To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP-DEV] DOM XML uses non-DOM compliant calls
--- brad lafountain [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Why don't we just add alias... so it will be BC and so we don't get shunned on by people like that. That would fit the bill nicely. Brent __ Do You Yahoo!? LAUNCH - Your Yahoo! Music Experience http://launch.yahoo.com -- PHP Development Mailing List http://www.php.net/ To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP-DEV] DOM XML uses non-DOM compliant calls
Hi, I fail to see the advante. Is it only that 'it looks like what the w3c recommends' and 'so users already used to the api have it easier' or did I miss something else? - Markus On Tue, May 14, 2002 at 01:47:22PM -0700, Brent R. Matzelle wrote : --- brad lafountain [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Why don't we just add alias... so it will be BC and so we don't get shunned on by people like that. That would fit the bill nicely. Brent __ Do You Yahoo!? LAUNCH - Your Yahoo! Music Experience http://launch.yahoo.com -- PHP Development Mailing List http://www.php.net/ To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php -- Please always Cc to me when replying to me on the lists. GnuPG Key: http://guru.josefine.at/~mfischer/C2272BD0.asc - I mean When in doubt, blame mcrypt is more often right than wrong :) Always right, never wrong :) - Two PHP developers who want to remain unnamed -- PHP Development Mailing List http://www.php.net/ To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP-DEV] DOM XML uses non-DOM compliant calls
--- Markus Fischer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, btw, not my personal opinion :) I just wanted to let you know this was discussed so you can search the archives for it. Understood ;) Btw, first you said 'w3c convention' now it's a standard? anyway Again, I'm no language lawyer, it is officially the W3C Document Object Model Level 3 Core specification. Brent __ Do You Yahoo!? LAUNCH - Your Yahoo! Music Experience http://launch.yahoo.com -- PHP Development Mailing List http://www.php.net/ To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP-DEV] DOM XML uses non-DOM compliant calls
Yeah thats pretty much it. It does make it eaiser for people using dom in another lanugage to pick it up in php if it did conform to the standard. Expecially how we are trying to conform the functions to begin with. Instead of having append_child... why not add_child.. - We started conforming to the standard why not go the whole way. - And with alias we can have the php standard and the w3c standard. - Brad --- Markus Fischer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, I fail to see the advante. Is it only that 'it looks like what the w3c recommends' and 'so users already used to the api have it easier' or did I miss something else? - Markus On Tue, May 14, 2002 at 01:47:22PM -0700, Brent R. Matzelle wrote : --- brad lafountain [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Why don't we just add alias... so it will be BC and so we don't get shunned on by people like that. That would fit the bill nicely. Brent __ Do You Yahoo!? LAUNCH - Your Yahoo! Music Experience http://launch.yahoo.com -- PHP Development Mailing List http://www.php.net/ To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php -- Please always Cc to me when replying to me on the lists. GnuPG Key: http://guru.josefine.at/~mfischer/C2272BD0.asc - I mean When in doubt, blame mcrypt is more often right than wrong :) Always right, never wrong :) - Two PHP developers who want to remain unnamed -- PHP Development Mailing List http://www.php.net/ To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php __ Do You Yahoo!? LAUNCH - Your Yahoo! Music Experience http://launch.yahoo.com -- PHP Development Mailing List http://www.php.net/ To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP-DEV] DOM XML uses non-DOM compliant calls
Hi Yeah thats pretty much it. It does make it eaiser for people using dom in another lanugage to pick it up in php if it did conform to the standard. Expecially how we are trying to conform the functions to begin with. Instead of having append_child... why not add_child.. 'cause appendChild, resp. append_child is the the w3c standard ... - We started conforming to the standard why not go the whole way. - 'cause, as said before, it's the php way to seperate words. And i would much apreciate, if this would be everywhere the same (isset and is_null as a wonderfull example...) And with alias we can have the php standard and the w3c standard. i don't see a reason for that. it's not that complicated to change appendChild to append_child in your code. you have to change your code anyway. and since PHP is not case-sensitive functionname wise, you will get funny stuff (see ext/gd in all the tutorials, if php is ever going case sensitiv (is it?), then all those examples are in big trouble :) ) I'm certainly against introducing the non-underscore api-stuff. and BTW, i didn't found anything on w3.org, which says method names have to be studly caps (but i just had a quick look). The php-api is more or less clear in that way, that where w3c suggest an uppercase letter, php makes an underscore. Therefore it's not that hard to switch between different languages. ok. i repeat more or less what others said... chregu - Brad --- Markus Fischer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, I fail to see the advante. Is it only that 'it looks like what the w3c recommends' and 'so users already used to the api have it easier' or did I miss something else? - Markus On Tue, May 14, 2002 at 01:47:22PM -0700, Brent R. Matzelle wrote : --- brad lafountain [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Why don't we just add alias... so it will be BC and so we don't get shunned on by people like that. That would fit the bill nicely. Brent __ Do You Yahoo!? LAUNCH - Your Yahoo! Music Experience http://launch.yahoo.com -- PHP Development Mailing List http://www.php.net/ To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php -- Please always Cc to me when replying to me on the lists. GnuPG Key: http://guru.josefine.at/~mfischer/C2272BD0.asc - I mean When in doubt, blame mcrypt is more often right than wrong :) Always right, never wrong :) - Two PHP developers who want to remain unnamed -- PHP Development Mailing List http://www.php.net/ To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php __ Do You Yahoo!? LAUNCH - Your Yahoo! Music Experience http://launch.yahoo.com -- nam...christian stockeradr...bremgartnerstr. 66, ch-8003 zurich pho...+41 1 451 6021 www...http://phant.ch/chregu mob...+41 76 561 8860 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wor...+41 1 240 5670 gpg...0x5CE1DECB -- PHP Development Mailing List http://www.php.net/ To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP-DEV] DOM XML uses non-DOM compliant calls
--- Christian Stocker [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Yeah thats pretty much it. It does make it eaiser for people using dom in another lanugage to pick it up in php if it did conform to the standard. Expecially how we are trying to conform the functions to begin with. Instead of having append_child... why not add_child.. 'cause appendChild, resp. append_child is the the w3c standard ... Yeah i was saying we are sticking to the standard for function names why not keep the naming convention too. - We started conforming to the standard why not go the whole way. - 'cause, as said before, it's the php way to seperate words. And i would much apreciate, if this would be everywhere the same (isset and is_null as a wonderfull example...) And with alias we can have the php standard and the w3c standard. i don't see a reason for that. it's not that complicated to change appendChild to append_child in your code. you have to change your code anyway. and since PHP is not case-sensitive functionname wise, you will get funny stuff (see ext/gd in all the tutorials, if php is ever going case sensitiv (is it?), then all those examples are in big trouble :) ) Not if they use the right case... appendChild vs appendchild the if one day php goes casesensitve then you will be all set. I'm certainly against introducing the non-underscore api-stuff. and BTW, i didn't found anything on w3.org, which says method names have to be studly caps (but i just had a quick look). The php-api is more or less clear in that way, that where w3c suggest an uppercase letter, php makes an underscore. Therefore it's not that hard to switch between different languages. Its not a hard switch at all but it still IS a switch. Why force a switch when you don't have to. ok. i repeat more or less what others said... I still don't see a good arugment agains adding alias. I see it as saving us from the comments like its not w3c standard. People would look down on the extension becuase it doesn't conform. If you only arugment is because its not a php standard. I see that as a weak argument. I really don't understand you guys went thru that extension and made it dom compliant (functionality wise) and you just won't go one step further and make alias so the naming convension is standard too. I personally like _'s too but i still think that adding aliases doesn't hurt anything. - Brad chregu - Brad --- Markus Fischer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, I fail to see the advante. Is it only that 'it looks like what the w3c recommends' and 'so users already used to the api have it easier' or did I miss something else? - Markus On Tue, May 14, 2002 at 01:47:22PM -0700, Brent R. Matzelle wrote : --- brad lafountain [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Why don't we just add alias... so it will be BC and so we don't get shunned on by people like that. That would fit the bill nicely. Brent __ Do You Yahoo!? LAUNCH - Your Yahoo! Music Experience http://launch.yahoo.com -- PHP Development Mailing List http://www.php.net/ To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php -- Please always Cc to me when replying to me on the lists. GnuPG Key: http://guru.josefine.at/~mfischer/C2272BD0.asc - I mean When in doubt, blame mcrypt is more often right than wrong :) Always right, never wrong :) - Two PHP developers who want to remain unnamed -- PHP Development Mailing List http://www.php.net/ To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php __ Do You Yahoo!? LAUNCH - Your Yahoo! Music Experience http://launch.yahoo.com -- nam...christian stockeradr...bremgartnerstr. 66, ch-8003 zurich pho...+41 1 451 6021 www...http://phant.ch/chregu mob...+41 76 561 8860 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wor...+41 1 240 5670 gpg...0x5CE1DECB __ Do You Yahoo!? LAUNCH - Your Yahoo! Music Experience http://launch.yahoo.com -- PHP Development Mailing List http://www.php.net/ To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
