Re: [PHP-DEV] Re: Dear Friends Future Millionaire:
On Tue, 6 Feb 2001, Rasmus Lerdorf wrote: This might be workable. I fear Sascha's solution could be rather prone to mistakes, and it would slow down list delivery for everyone. Requiring approval for non-list members is a hassle for them, but if enough people are willing to be on the receiving end of these messages to be approved it probably wouldn't be too bad. We just need to figure out how to do this with ezmlm. Top priority for me is that common list operations must not require manual attention. There were more than 16,000 different senders on our lists so far. And only a small fraction of those addresses are subscribed. Do you really want to approve all those sender addresses manually? - Sascha -- PHP Development Mailing List http://www.php.net/ To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To contact the list administrators, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: [PHP-DEV] Re: Dear Friends Future Millionaire:
Top priority for me is that common list operations must not require manual attention. There were more than 16,000 different senders on our lists so far. And only a small fraction of those addresses are subscribed. Do you really want to approve all those sender addresses manually? How about a bit of revenge and subscribing them to our lists see how they like it :P James -- PHP Development Mailing List http://www.php.net/ To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To contact the list administrators, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [PHP-DEV] Re: Dear Friends Future Millionaire:
On Tue, 6 Feb 2001, Toby Butzon wrote: Although I agree, I don't think it's ever going to happen. Somehow, the head PHP folks don't seem to be too interested in combatting spam; I brought up the discussion a few weeks ago and was met with strong resistance. You'd be surprised to learn how many anti-spam measures we already have in place. Those measures effectively dropped 99.9% of spam in the past; but spammers have adopted new methods, so we need to change as well. I noticed that the still existing, but inactive php3 list is always spammed in a row with active lists. Assuming that no legitimate email is delivered to that list, we can treat all emails as spam and hence automatically blacklist further spam based on certain criteria. We can create a separate list where a notification about that event is sent to, so that the actions are trackable. Existing lists would introduce a certain delay between receiving an email and forwarding it to list members. The delay would increase the chance that the spam has already been delivered to the php3 blacklist, when we perform the pre-forwarding check for existing lists. So, if we pursue this plan, we should continue advertising the php3 list in prominent places where email address harvesters will find it (list archives might do a good job at that already). - Sascha -- PHP Development Mailing List http://www.php.net/ To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To contact the list administrators, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [PHP-DEV] Re: Dear Friends Future Millionaire:
Although I agree, I don't think it's ever going to happen. Somehow, the head PHP folks don't seem to be too interested in combatting spam; I brought up the discussion a few weeks ago and was met with strong resistance. Maybe when the list gets to be 20% spam they'll listen. It _is_ steadily getting to be more and more as time progresses. What we are not interested in is stopping people who are not subscribed to the lists directly from participating. A lot of people read the lists via nntp or through various web gateways. You can rant all you want about the spam, but until you come up with a workable way to not cut off these people there isn't much point. -Rasmus -- PHP Development Mailing List http://www.php.net/ To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To contact the list administrators, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [PHP-DEV] Re: Dear Friends Future Millionaire:
Rasmus Lerdorf ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
What we are not interested in is stopping people who are not subscribed to
the lists directly from participating. A lot of people read the lists via
nntp or through various web gateways. You can rant all you want about the
spam, but until you come up with a workable way to not cut off these
people there isn't much point.
Understandable.
Listar (the one I'm familiar) will send posts that aren't classified as
spam, but still from non-members, to moderators. Depending on your
mailer, one keypress ("bounce this to [EMAIL PROTECTED]")
will approve the post and send it out. This can be tweaked to
auto-approve future posts from that person.
/Steve
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Re: [PHP-DEV] Re: Dear Friends Future Millionaire:
This might be workable. I fear Sascha's solution could be rather prone to
mistakes, and it would slow down list delivery for everyone. Requiring
approval for non-list members is a hassle for them, but if enough people
are willing to be on the receiving end of these messages to be approved it
probably wouldn't be too bad. We just need to figure out how to do this
with ezmlm.
-Rasmus
On Tue, 6 Feb 2001, Stephen van Egmond wrote:
Rasmus Lerdorf ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
What we are not interested in is stopping people who are not subscribed to
the lists directly from participating. A lot of people read the lists via
nntp or through various web gateways. You can rant all you want about the
spam, but until you come up with a workable way to not cut off these
people there isn't much point.
Understandable.
Listar (the one I'm familiar) will send posts that aren't classified as
spam, but still from non-members, to moderators. Depending on your
mailer, one keypress ("bounce this to [EMAIL PROTECTED]")
will approve the post and send it out. This can be tweaked to
auto-approve future posts from that person.
/Steve
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