php-general Digest 30 Jul 2008 14:48:31 - Issue 5597
Topics (messages 277448 through 277474):
Re: Why PHP4?
277448 by: mike
277449 by: VamVan
277456 by: Richard Heyes
277457 by: Per Jessen
277458 by: Richard Heyes
277459 by: Hélio Rocha
On Wednesday 30 July 2008 12:44:46 am Robert Cummings wrote:
It's unfortunate that PHP5 decided to throw a Strict Standards exception
when you include both style constructors. For instance, I'm certain at
one point the following was recommended:
?php
class Foo
{
function __construct()
On Wed, 2008-07-30 at 01:16 -0500, Larry Garfield wrote:
On Wednesday 30 July 2008 12:44:46 am Robert Cummings wrote:
It's unfortunate that PHP5 decided to throw a Strict Standards exception
when you include both style constructors. For instance, I'm certain at
one point the following was
I agree but not everyone think in the sameway. I have seen several big
websites that got hit because they haven't used super globals in the code
and their hosting provided would just change the PHP.ini setting and nothing
would work.
Well if it's a big website then why use a hoster that
Richard Heyes wrote:
I agree but not everyone think in the sameway. I have seen several
big websites that got hit because they haven't used super globals in
the code and their hosting provided would just change the PHP.ini
setting and nothing would work.
Well if it's a big website then why
The technical abilities and awareness is often inversely proportional to
the size of the hoster.
Lol.
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Sorry to disagree,
But I think that with PHP4 a lot of people start thinking that they could be
programmers (maybe they can, developers it's another story). When php5 came
they didn't know how do deal with the deprecated methods and worst, some
hosters didn't know how to virtualize a f1ck1n'
Quoting Hélio Rocha [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
Sorry to disagree,
But I think that with PHP4 a lot of people start thinking that they could be
programmers (maybe they can, developers it's another story). When php5 came
they didn't know how do deal with the deprecated methods and worst, some
hosters
Sorry to disagree,
That's nothing to apologise for.
But I think that with PHP4 a lot of people start thinking that they could be
programmers (maybe they can, developers it's another story). When php5 came
they didn't know how do deal with the deprecated methods and worst, some
hosters
Brainfuck rox! LOL :)
Sure you must see the changelog and other things but take a look:
I can do more and better things with the next generation of the language in
which i wrote my app, but i don't think that it's fair that my app doens't
compile (if it was a compiled language) or stops executing
Hélio Rocha wrote:
methods and worst, some hosters didn't know how to virtualize a
f1ck1n' server with Apache+PHP5.
Despite their many inabilities, I doubt if any hosting service would
have a problem with that.
If you're trying to figure out why so many haven't changed, there's one
question
Richard Heyes wrote:
When U write code, U must not be worried 'bout the next upgrade of
your server!
Of course you should. Writing code with every eventuality in mind is
simply ludicrous.
Umm, I beg to differ. A developer should not need to worry about a
possible/future upgrade of the
Hi,
There are many sites explaining how to build new site etc but I'd like
to hear what You suggest. (about how to plan whole thing and how to
write separate parts which can be put together later)
I have build many small sites for myself(site to organise class assembly
which is like yearly
Umm, I beg to differ. A developer should not need to worry about a
possible/future upgrade of the runtime platform. I certainly don't
worry about the next release of gcc or glibc when I write C.
Minor point releases certainly, but not major ones. They're major
upgrades for a reason - things
Per Jessen wrote:
Richard Heyes wrote:
When U write code, U must not be worried 'bout the next upgrade of
your server!
Of course you should. Writing code with every eventuality in mind is
simply ludicrous.
Umm, I beg to differ. A developer should not need to worry about a
possible/future
Richard Heyes wrote:
Umm, I beg to differ. A developer should not need to worry about a
possible/future upgrade of the runtime platform. I certainly don't
worry about the next release of gcc or glibc when I write C.
Minor point releases certainly, but not major ones. They're major
Lester Caine wrote:
Some ISP's are still only supporting rather ancient versions of PHP4.
They should simply be warned of the security risks. Some ISP's have a
PHP5 offering, but again an older version simply because it causes
less problems when converting from PHP4.
The problem for an ISP
On Jul 30, 2008, at 10:34 AM, Raido wrote:
[snip lots of info]
I'm not sure but I have idea about what things I should do first:
1) think and write down any function that needs to be done(for
example different validations, functions for showing/posting form etc)
2) plan and create database?
2008/7/30 Raido [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
Hi,
There are many sites explaining how to build new site etc but I'd like to
hear what You suggest. (about how to plan whole thing and how to write
separate parts which can be put together later)
This may be of some help:
Hi,
Even if it's just a site don't thing u don't need a structure to it. Why not
a MVC structure? U can dig about cakephp on google to see some of it
working. If U don't want to use a framework, start with the business rules
u'll need, after that do the CRUD and for the piece of resistance
Per Jessen wrote:
Lester Caine wrote:
Some ISP's are still only supporting rather ancient versions of PHP4.
They should simply be warned of the security risks. Some ISP's have a
PHP5 offering, but again an older version simply because it causes
less problems when converting from PHP4.
The
Sometimes deprecation is necessary is a language feature is created out
of necessity but is superseded by a superior language form.
A great example is the HTML FONT tag. Font tags slow down downloads and
renderings, and were deprecated in favor of CSS style sheets which offer
much more control
Sometimes speed improvements require removing things. If you end up
backwards supporting everything you end up with a big monster engine
that is incredibly slow.
Thank you,
Micah Gersten
onShore Networks
Internal Developer
http://www.onshore.com
Hélio Rocha wrote:
Brainfuck rox! LOL :)
Depending on the size of the site, you might want to consider a PHP
framework to start with. There's usually no point in reinventing the
wheel. Someone mentioned CakePHP which utilizes MVC. I'm looking into
porting my stuff to the Zend Framework which makes MVC optional, but has
a lot of
Because,
People believes
Do not fix until broke
Motto.
Testing new online application may painfull.
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Per Jessen wrote:
Richard Heyes wrote:
I agree but not everyone think in the sameway. I have seen several
big websites that got hit because they haven't used super globals in
the code and their hosting provided would just change the PHP.ini
setting and nothing would work.
Well if it's a big
Micah Gersten wrote:
Depending on the size of the site, you might want to consider a PHP
framework to start with. There's usually no point in reinventing the
wheel. Someone mentioned CakePHP which utilizes MVC. I'm looking into
porting my stuff to the Zend Framework which makes MVC optional,
U may want to see Ruby On Rails www.rubyonrails.org . It's also a framework
but for Ruby. In my opinion it's stronger than cake and there are some IDE's
that do support and debug it.
Cumps,
Hélio Rocha
On Wed, Jul 30, 2008 at 4:54 PM, Shawn McKenzie [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote:
Micah Gersten wrote:
On Wed, 2008-07-30 at 17:03 +0100, Hélio Rocha wrote:
U may want to see Ruby On Rails www.rubyonrails.org . It's also a framework
but for Ruby. In my opinion it's stronger than cake and there are some IDE's
that do support and debug it.
Dear Hélio,
This is a PHP list. People usually come
Sorry Robert and all other users.
On Wed, Jul 30, 2008 at 5:07 PM, Robert Cummings [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote:
On Wed, 2008-07-30 at 17:03 +0100, Hélio Rocha wrote:
U may want to see Ruby On Rails www.rubyonrails.org . It's also a
framework
but for Ruby. In my opinion it's stronger than cake
I was profiling some code on my local dev box, and in Windows, the
biggest time sink for the home page is...
a call to date(Y/m/d H:i:s)?!
917 ms???
Here is what I get in a cygwin shell:
php -r '$c = 100; $s = microtime(true); for($i = 0; $i $c; $i++){ $d
= date(Y/m/d H:i:s); } echo
On Jul 30, 2008, at 10:50 AM, Micah Gersten wrote:
Sometimes speed improvements require removing things. If you end up
backwards supporting everything you end up with a big monster engine
that is incredibly slow.
Just ask Microsoft about that ;)
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Raoset Inc.
Technology
I suppose to be complete, I should point out that in Linux a call to
date finishes in 1.2271404266357E-5 seconds on average.
For those unfamiliar with scientific notation, that would be:
0.12271404266357 seconds, or rougly 1/10,000th of the time Doze
takes.
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Some people ask for gifts
On Wed, Jul 30, 2008 at 12:11 PM, Richard Lynch [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I was profiling some code on my local dev box, and in Windows, the
biggest time sink for the home page is...
a call to date(Y/m/d H:i:s)?!
917 ms???
Here is what I get in a cygwin shell:
php -r '$c = 100; $s =
Jason Pruim wrote:
On Jul 30, 2008, at 10:50 AM, Micah Gersten wrote:
Sometimes speed improvements require removing things. If you end up
backwards supporting everything you end up with a big monster engine
that is incredibly slow.
Just ask Microsoft about that ;)
Better ask IBM
On Wed, Jul 30, 2008 at 12:19 PM, Richard Lynch [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I suppose to be complete, I should point out that in Linux a call to
date finishes in 1.2271404266357E-5 seconds on average.
For those unfamiliar with scientific notation, that would be:
0.12271404266357 seconds, or
Dear Srs,
We are having some zend_mm_heap corrupted errors followed by a
Segmentation fault (11) in our Apache2 + PHP 5.2.6 servers. There are few
information about this bug in internet:
* #40479 - http://bugs.php.net/bug.php?id=40479
* #43295 - http://bugs.php.net/bug.php?id=43295
I have
Hélio Rocha wrote:
U may want to see Ruby On Rails www.rubyonrails.org . It's also a framework
but for Ruby. In my opinion it's stronger than cake and there are some IDE's
that do support and debug it.
Cumps,
Hélio Rocha
There's also .NET http://www.microsoft.com. It's also a framework but
I cannot get Php to run on Solaris 10...
Here is the error I am getting
Trying to run php outside of apache
ld.so.1: php: fatal: libldap-2.3.so.0: open failed: No such file or
directory
With ApacheApache will not load when
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I cannot get Php to run on Solaris 10...
Here is the error I am getting
Trying to run php outside of apache
ld.so.1: php: fatal: libldap-2.3.so.0: open failed: No such file or
directory
With
Hello,
I'm using some php-classes which worked fine with php-5.0.4. Now I tried
to upgrade to php-5.2.6, but the classes give a lot of errors. If I set
error_reporting(E_ALL);
I see messages like
Notice: Undefined property: FastTemplate::$main in
/whereever/inc.template.php on line 293
Marten Lehmann wrote:
Hello,
I'm using some php-classes which worked fine with php-5.0.4. Now I tried
to upgrade to php-5.2.6, but the classes give a lot of errors. If I set
error_reporting(E_ALL);
I see messages like
Notice: Undefined property: FastTemplate::$main in
You might want to check the scope of the properties. If you want to
access them outside of the class, make sure they are declared public.
Thank you,
Micah Gersten
onShore Networks
Internal Developer
http://www.onshore.com
Marten Lehmann wrote:
Hello,
I'm using some php-classes which worked
Daniel Brown wrote:
On Tue, Jul 29, 2008 at 2:19 PM, JJB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
We recently rebuilt a webserver and upgraded it to opensuse 10.3.
Now, when our webdev people run command line php scripts all of the
included files are being output to the terminal instead of parsed.
On Wed, Jul 30, 2008 at 4:53 PM, JJB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Hi Daniel,
We are running like:
php mailscript.php
The version:
php-v
PHP 5.2.5 with Suhosin-Patch 0.9.6.2 (cli) (built: Dec 12 2007 03:51:56)
Did you check what Jim suggested, as well, about short_open_tags?
If your
This one time, at band camp, Richard Heyes [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I'm interested - why are people still using PHP4? It's been over 4
years (I think) - plenty of time to upgrade to five.
I asked that question and was called a troll...
Kevin
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This one time, at band camp, Paul Jinks [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Does anyone know of any good resources on building a tagging system? The
video for now will be held on a normal LAMP machine as will everything
else.
Tagging...
http://phpro.org/tutorials/Tagging-With-PHP-And-MySQL.html
Kevin
Apache 2.2
PHP 5.2.6 (as a module)
Windows
Relevant parts of php.ini
; Directory in which the loadable extensions (modules) reside.
extension_dir = I:\php\ext
extension=I:\php\ext\php_mssql.dll
extension=I:\php\ext\php_mysql.dll
Note: I did try it with just the name (php_mysql.dll) but it
I have traditionally used double quotes going back to my PASCAL days.
I see many PHP examples using single quotes, and I began to adopt that
convention.
Even updating existing code.
And I broke some stuff that was doing variable expansion. So I am back
to using double quotes.
But I
On 7/30/08, Stephen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
But I wonder, is there any reason to use single quotes?
extremely minor performance gains, afaik.
probably moreso when doing $foo[bar] and $foo['bar']
but i believe it's negligible $foo = 'bar' and $foo = bar
sara golemon did some performance
On Wed, Jul 30, 2008 at 6:51 PM, Stephen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I have traditionally used double quotes going back to my PASCAL days.
I see many PHP examples using single quotes, and I began to adopt that
convention.
Even updating existing code.
And I broke some stuff that was doing
Per Jessen wrote:
Lester Caine wrote:
Some ISP's are still only supporting rather ancient versions of PHP4.
They should simply be warned of the security risks. Some ISP's have a
PHP5 offering, but again an older version simply because it causes
less problems when converting from PHP4.
John Meyer wrote:
Apache 2.2
PHP 5.2.6 (as a module)
Windows
Relevant parts of php.ini
; Directory in which the loadable extensions (modules) reside.
extension_dir = I:\php\ext
extension=I:\php\ext\php_mssql.dll
extension=I:\php\ext\php_mysql.dll
Note: I did try it with just the name
Moin,
kann mir mal wer auf die Sprünge helfen, ich bekomme es gerade nicht
geregelt ein Image on-the-fly von einem Remote-Host per fsockopen auf
meinen Server zu ziehen.
Irgendwo hab ich da voll die Blockade ;)
Mein nichtfunktionierender Versuch:
...
...
$out = GET
Dont leave your nights dissatisfied
http://uimeds.com/
In handling an HTTP POST request I came across some PHP code, which I
need to modify for my own purposes, which has code like this:
if ( ! (isset($_GET['x']) $_GET['x'] == 20) )
{
// Do something by returning an error
}
Can this ever be correct when the form looks like:
This page can help you understand them better:
http://us2.php.net/manual/en/language.variables.superglobals.php
Thank you,
Micah Gersten
onShore Networks
Internal Developer
http://www.onshore.com
Edward Diener wrote:
In handling an HTTP POST request I came across some PHP code, which I
need
On Wed, 2008-07-30 at 22:18 -0400, Edward Diener wrote:
In handling an HTTP POST request I came across some PHP code, which I
need to modify for my own purposes, which has code like this:
if ( ! (isset($_GET['x']) $_GET['x'] == 20) )
{
// Do something by returning an
On Wed, Jul 30, 2008 at 9:50 PM, Konrad Priemer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
kann mir mal wer auf die Sprünge helfen, ich bekomme es gerade nicht
geregelt ein Image on-the-fly von einem Remote-Host per fsockopen auf
meinen Server zu ziehen.
Irgendwo hab ich da voll die Blockade ;)
Die
From my experience with Codeigniter, thats one of the best php frameworks I
have ever seen.
It functionality is awesome, you can integrate your own modifications to the
IC core without any problems at all, for more confortable you even don't
have to use a template system (but I'm pretty sure that
Umm I suggest you try this code:
index.php:
?php
$formContainer = EOF
form ACTION=index.php?this=isawsome=dontyou=think METHOD=POST
input type='text' name='check' value='' /br /
input VALUE=submit name='submitted' TYPE=submit/form
EOF;
if (!isset($_POST['submitted']))
On Thu, 2008-07-31 at 06:41 +0200, Nitsan Bin-Nun wrote:
Umm I suggest you try this code:
index.php:
?php
$formContainer = EOF
form ACTION=index.php?this=isawsome=dontyou=think METHOD=POST
Those ampersands should be appropriately marked up.
:B
Cheers,
Rob.
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On Thu, 2008-07-31 at 06:28 +0200, Nitsan Bin-Nun wrote:
From my experience with Codeigniter, thats one of the best php frameworks I
have ever seen.
It functionality is awesome, you can integrate your own modifications to the
IC core without any problems at all, for more confortable you even
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