Re: [PHP] Are these Truthful Proof about PHP ??

2008-02-27 Thread Christoph Boget
http://msdn2.microsoft.com/en-us/library/aa479002.aspx I read an Article on the above Microsoft website stating the reason why to Migrate from PHP to ASP.NET. So can you please justify this proofs from Microsoft and let everybody knows if they are all TRUE and MEANIFUL atall or they are

Re: [PHP] Are these Truthful Proof about PHP ??

2008-02-27 Thread Zoltán Németh
2008. 02. 27, szerda keltezéssel 10.03-kor Dare Williams ezt írta: Dear Developers, http://msdn2.microsoft.com/en-us/library/aa479002.aspx I read an Article on the above Microsoft website stating the reason why to Migrate from PHP to ASP.NET. So can you please justify this proofs

Re: [PHP] Are these Truthful Proof about PHP ??

2008-02-27 Thread Robert Cummings
On Wed, 2008-02-27 at 10:03 -0800, Dare Williams wrote: Dear Developers, http://msdn2.microsoft.com/en-us/library/aa479002.aspx I read an Article on the above Microsoft website stating the reason why to Migrate from PHP to ASP.NET. So can you please justify this proofs from

Re: [PHP] Are these Truthful Proof about PHP ??

2008-02-27 Thread Daniel Brown
On Wed, Feb 27, 2008 at 1:03 PM, Dare Williams [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dear Developers, http://msdn2.microsoft.com/en-us/library/aa479002.aspx I read an Article on the above Microsoft website stating the reason why to Migrate from PHP to ASP.NET. So can you please justify this proofs

Re: [PHP] Are these Truthful Proof about PHP ??

2008-02-27 Thread David Giragosian
On 2/27/08, Zoltán Németh [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 2008. 02. 27, szerda keltezéssel 10.03-kor Dare Williams ezt írta: Dear Developers, http://msdn2.microsoft.com/en-us/library/aa479002.aspx I read an Article on the above Microsoft website stating the reason why to Migrate from PHP

Re: [PHP] Are these Truthful Proof about PHP ??

2008-02-27 Thread Per Jessen
Dare Williams wrote: Dear Developers, http://msdn2.microsoft.com/en-us/library/aa479002.aspx I read an Article on the above Microsoft website stating the reason why to Migrate from PHP to ASP.NET. So can you please justify this proofs from Microsoft and let everybody knows if

Re: [PHP] Are these Truthful Proof about PHP ??

2008-02-27 Thread Greg Donald
On 2/27/08, Robert Cummings [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: *lol* Look at the examples on the page... aks yourself if you enjoy typing 2 to 3 times as much to do the same thing. *lol* This is one of the same reasons why I'm using Ruby on Rails more and PHP less, all the time. -- Greg Donald

Re: [PHP] Are these Truthful Proof about PHP ??

2008-02-27 Thread Robert Cummings
On Wed, 2008-02-27 at 12:53 -0600, Greg Donald wrote: On 2/27/08, Robert Cummings [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: *lol* Look at the examples on the page... aks yourself if you enjoy typing 2 to 3 times as much to do the same thing. *lol* This is one of the same reasons why I'm using Ruby on

Re: [PHP] Are these Truthful Proof about PHP ??

2008-02-27 Thread Greg Donald
On 2/27/08, Robert Cummings [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: RoR is a framework, not a language. Really? I had not heard that previously. -- Greg Donald http://destiney.com/ -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php

Re: [PHP] Are these Truthful Proof about PHP ??

2008-02-27 Thread Nathan Nobbe
On Wed, Feb 27, 2008 at 2:14 PM, Robert Cummings [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: RoR is a framework, not a language. I also save crapload of typing by using my InterJinn framework. Ruby as a language doesn't float my boat. where were you in the big ruby stand-off a couple weeks back ? :D -nathan

Re: [PHP] Are these Truthful Proof about PHP ??

2008-02-27 Thread Nathan Nobbe
On Wed, Feb 27, 2008 at 2:18 PM, Greg Donald [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 2/27/08, Robert Cummings [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: RoR is a framework, not a language. Really? I had not heard that previously. ya; rob; greg is like the new dude on the witty block; better pack something good for a

Re: [PHP] Are these Truthful Proof about PHP ??

2008-02-27 Thread Ray Hauge
Nathan Nobbe wrote: On Wed, Feb 27, 2008 at 2:14 PM, Robert Cummings [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: RoR is a framework, not a language. I also save crapload of typing by using my InterJinn framework. Ruby as a language doesn't float my boat. where were you in the big ruby stand-off a couple weeks

Re: [PHP] Are these Truthful Proof about PHP ??

2008-02-27 Thread Greg Donald
On 2/27/08, Nathan Nobbe [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ya; rob; greg is like the new dude on the witty block; better pack something good for a comeback :O my heads still smoking while i try to think up something moderately so ~:( I'm not gonna just sit here and watch someone *lol* comparing the

Re: [PHP] Are these Truthful Proof about PHP ??

2008-02-27 Thread Matty Sarro
Psh, if you're going to talk about RoR, might as well talk about PoP... Python on Planes! http://developers.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=07/04/01/176239 On Wed, Feb 27, 2008 at 2:27 PM, Nathan Nobbe [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wed, Feb 27, 2008 at 2:18 PM, Greg Donald [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Re: [PHP] Are these Truthful Proof about PHP ??

2008-02-27 Thread Greg Donald
On 2/27/08, Matty Sarro [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Psh, if you're going to talk about RoR, might as well talk about PoP... Python on Planes! http://developers.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=07/04/01/176239 Yeah, I love me some good April Fool's jokes, especially the 4 year old variety. -- Greg

Re: [PHP] Are these Truthful Proof about PHP ??

2008-02-27 Thread Matty Sarro
Well, I was going to ignore this comment, but given the smart-alecky nature I have to comment that the post date is April 1st 2007. Today is February 27th, 2008. Not only is that not 4 years, but its less than 365 days. You may want to brush up on your math skills my friend. And your humor skills

Re: [PHP] Are these Truthful Proof about PHP ??

2008-02-27 Thread Stut
On 27 Feb 2008, at 18:36, David Giragosian wrote: The comparisons are fairly biased against PHP, as expected from the source, and a number of links are broken, particularly the one offering 5 full applications with source code. But I do have an install of the full Visual Studio .NET, and

Re: [PHP] Are these Truthful Proof about PHP ??

2008-02-27 Thread Robert Cummings
On Wed, 2008-02-27 at 14:19 -0500, Nathan Nobbe wrote: On Wed, Feb 27, 2008 at 2:14 PM, Robert Cummings [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: RoR is a framework, not a language. I also save crapload of typing by using my InterJinn framework. Ruby as a language doesn't float my boat. where were

Re: [PHP] Are these Truthful Proof about PHP ??

2008-02-27 Thread David Giragosian
On 2/27/08, Stut [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 27 Feb 2008, at 18:36, David Giragosian wrote: The comparisons are fairly biased against PHP, as expected from the source, and a number of links are broken, particularly the one offering 5 full applications with source code. But I do have an

Re: [PHP] Are these Truthful Proof about PHP ??

2008-02-27 Thread Matty Sarro
To the extent of my knowledge ASP is simply the server-side scripting engine, and most of the programming is actually done in visual basic, or any other scripting language you decide to use so long as its somehow putting money in microsoft's pocket. Think along the lines of Perl (the interpreter)

Re: [PHP] Are these Truthful Proof about PHP ??

2008-02-27 Thread Stephen Johnson
://www.fortheloveofgeeks.com I¹m a geek and I¹m OK! -- From: Robert Cummings [EMAIL PROTECTED] Organization: InterJinn Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2008 15:12:12 -0500 To: Greg Donald [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: php-general@lists.php.net Subject: Re: [PHP] Are these Truthful Proof about PHP ?? I thought ASP

Re: [PHP] Are these Truthful Proof about PHP ??

2008-02-27 Thread David Giragosian
On 2/27/08, Robert Cummings [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So is ASP really a framework? Did I get that wrong... I'm not always right you know, especially about MS crap. From the first mentioned article: ASP.NET is part of the Microsoft .NET Framework. The .NET Framework is a feature of Windows...

Re: [PHP] Are these Truthful Proof about PHP ??

2008-02-27 Thread Greg Donald
On 2/27/08, Matty Sarro [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well, I was going to ignore this comment, but given the smart-alecky nature I have to comment that the post date is April 1st 2007. Today is February 27th, 2008. Not only is that not 4 years, but its less than 365 days. You may want to brush up

RE: [PHP] Are these Truthful Proof about PHP ??

2008-02-27 Thread Jay Blanchard
[snip] I thought ASP was the language and .NET was the framework. I was under this impression as well.. I always equated .NET to ASP the same way I would ZEND to PHP... [/snip] Think of ASP like you would JBoss or Tomcat - it is an application server. Most folks used VBScript as the language

Re: [PHP] Are these Truthful Proof about PHP ??

2008-02-27 Thread Greg Donald
On 2/27/08, Robert Cummings [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So is ASP really a framework? .Net has upwards of 70K classes. If that's not a framework then I dunno what is. -- Greg Donald http://destiney.com/ -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit:

Re: [PHP] Are these Truthful Proof about PHP ??

2008-02-27 Thread tedd
At 10:03 AM -0800 2/27/08, Dare Williams wrote: Dear Developers, http://msdn2.microsoft.com/en-us/library/aa479002.aspx I read an Article on the above Microsoft website stating the reason why to Migrate from PHP to ASP.NET. So can you please justify this proofs from Microsoft and let

Re: [PHP] Are these Truthful Proof about PHP ??

2008-02-27 Thread Robert Cummings
On Wed, 2008-02-27 at 14:29 -0600, Greg Donald wrote: On 2/27/08, Robert Cummings [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So is ASP really a framework? .Net has upwards of 70K classes. If that's not a framework then I dunno what is. No need to keep confusing me... I got better answers form other

Re: [PHP] Are these Truthful Proof about PHP ??

2008-02-27 Thread Matty Sarro
Completely off subject, but man I miss quickbasic... that was such a fun language to program in way back-in-the-day. So simple! On Wed, Feb 27, 2008 at 3:39 PM, tedd [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: At 10:03 AM -0800 2/27/08, Dare Williams wrote: Dear Developers,

Re: [PHP] Are these Truthful Proof about PHP ??

2008-02-27 Thread Robert Cummings
On Wed, 2008-02-27 at 13:41 -0600, Greg Donald wrote: On 2/27/08, Nathan Nobbe [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ya; rob; greg is like the new dude on the witty block; better pack something good for a comeback :O my heads still smoking while i try to think up something moderately so ~:( I'm

Re: [PHP] Are these Truthful Proof about PHP ??

2008-02-27 Thread tedd
At 3:46 PM -0500 2/27/08, Matty Sarro wrote: Completely off subject, but man I miss quickbasic... that was such a fun language to program in way back-in-the-day. So simple! Well, the subject line did ask for Truthful and when it comes to M$, what I had to say was directed at M$'s credibility.

Re: [PHP] Are these Truthful Proof about PHP ??

2008-02-27 Thread Daniel Brown
On Wed, Feb 27, 2008 at 3:46 PM, Matty Sarro [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Completely off subject, but man I miss quickbasic... that was such a fun language to program in way back-in-the-day. So simple! Not to mention the ability to add (at the time) decent graphics to an application as opposed

RE: [PHP] Are these Truthful Proof about PHP ??

2008-02-27 Thread Bastien Koert
Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2008 14:28:30 -0600 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] CC: php-general@lists.php.net Subject: RE: [PHP] Are these Truthful Proof about PHP ?? [snip] I thought ASP was the language and .NET was the framework. I was under this impression

Re: [PHP] Are these Truthful Proof about PHP ??

2008-02-27 Thread Matty Sarro
Its not bleeding edge unless it's web2.0 ;) On Wed, Feb 27, 2008 at 4:22 PM, Bastien Koert [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2008 14:28:30 -0600 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] CC: php-general@lists.php.net Subject: RE: [PHP] Are these Truthful

RE: [PHP] Are these Truthful Proof about PHP ??

2008-02-27 Thread Bastien Koert
Nah, I try to keep the 2.0 subtle, where its just cool...some others here use it as a shotgun to kill the fly...just to say the product does it... bastien Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2008 16:26:01 -0500From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]: [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Re: [PHP] Are these Truthful Proof about PHP ??CC

Re: [PHP] Are these Truthful Proof about PHP ??

2008-02-27 Thread Jason Pruim
On Feb 27, 2008, at 4:26 PM, Matty Sarro wrote: Its not bleeding edge unless it's web2.0 ;) I actually just found out the other day from tedd that he's already writing in web3.0... So it's time to catch up! -- Jason Pruim Raoset Inc. Technology Manager MQC Specialist 3251 132nd ave

Re: [PHP] Are these Truthful Proof about PHP ??

2008-02-27 Thread Daniel Brown
On Wed, Feb 27, 2008 at 4:29 PM, Jason Pruim [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Feb 27, 2008, at 4:26 PM, Matty Sarro wrote: Its not bleeding edge unless it's web2.0 ;) I actually just found out the other day from tedd that he's already writing in web3.0... So it's time to catch up! That

Re: [PHP] Are these Truthful Proof about PHP ??

2008-02-27 Thread Shawn McKenzie
Daniel Brown wrote: On Wed, Feb 27, 2008 at 3:46 PM, Matty Sarro [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Completely off subject, but man I miss quickbasic... that was such a fun language to program in way back-in-the-day. So simple! Not to mention the ability to add (at the time) decent graphics to

Re: [PHP] Are these Truthful Proof about PHP ??

2008-02-27 Thread tedd
At 4:29 PM -0500 2/27/08, Jason Pruim wrote: On Feb 27, 2008, at 4:26 PM, Matty Sarro wrote: Its not bleeding edge unless it's web2.0 ;) I actually just found out the other day from tedd that he's already writing in web3.0... So it's time to catch up! Yeah, but don't follow me down that

Re: [PHP] Are these Truthful Proof about PHP ??

2008-02-27 Thread Daniel Brown
On Wed, Feb 27, 2008 at 4:34 PM, Shawn McKenzie [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Daniel Brown wrote: On Wed, Feb 27, 2008 at 3:46 PM, Matty Sarro [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Completely off subject, but man I miss quickbasic... that was such a fun language to program in way back-in-the-day. So

Re: [PHP] Are these Truthful Proof about PHP ??

2008-02-27 Thread Andrew Ballard
On Wed, Feb 27, 2008 at 3:12 PM, Robert Cummings [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I thought ASP was the language and .NET was the framework. Not exactly. .NET is the framework, but ASP is not a language. The most common languages for .NET development are usually Visual Basic and C#. However, lots of

Re: [PHP] Are these Truthful Proof about PHP ??

2008-02-27 Thread Shawn McKenzie
Daniel Brown wrote: On Wed, Feb 27, 2008 at 4:34 PM, Shawn McKenzie [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Daniel Brown wrote: On Wed, Feb 27, 2008 at 3:46 PM, Matty Sarro [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Completely off subject, but man I miss quickbasic... that was such a fun language to program in way

Re: [PHP] Are these Truthful Proof about PHP ??

2008-02-27 Thread Shawn McKenzie
Shawn McKenzie wrote: Daniel Brown wrote: On Wed, Feb 27, 2008 at 4:34 PM, Shawn McKenzie [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Daniel Brown wrote: On Wed, Feb 27, 2008 at 3:46 PM, Matty Sarro [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Completely off subject, but man I miss quickbasic... that was such a fun

Re: [PHP] Are these Truthful Proof about PHP ??

2008-02-27 Thread Nathan Nobbe
On Wed, Feb 27, 2008 at 4:55 PM, Andrew Ballard [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The plus side is that you can include modules written in different languages into the same project. that was actually really cool when i first looked at it. nowadays there are tons of projects where scripting languages

Re: [PHP] Are these Truthful Proof about PHP ??

2008-02-27 Thread Stephen Johnson
: Shawn McKenzie [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2008 16:01:22 -0600 To: php-general@lists.php.net Subject: Re: [PHP] Are these Truthful Proof about PHP ?? Shawn McKenzie wrote: Daniel Brown wrote: On Wed, Feb 27, 2008 at 4:34 PM, Shawn McKenzie [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Daniel Brown wrote

Re: [PHP] Are these Truthful Proof about PHP ??

2008-02-27 Thread Daniel Brown
On Wed, Feb 27, 2008 at 5:01 PM, Shawn McKenzie [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Actually, if I recall correctly, I normally had to start with increments of 100. I always started with 10 and incremented by 10 in both MS and GW BASIC (and on TI, C64, LASER, etc.), because then I could go back and

Re: [PHP] Are these Truthful Proof about PHP ??

2008-02-27 Thread Nathan Nobbe
On Wed, Feb 27, 2008 at 5:16 PM, Daniel Brown [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wed, Feb 27, 2008 at 5:01 PM, Shawn McKenzie [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Actually, if I recall correctly, I normally had to start with increments of 100. I always started with 10 and incremented by 10 in both MS

Re: [PHP] Are these Truthful Proof about PHP ??

2008-02-27 Thread tedd
At 2:15 PM -0800 2/27/08, Stephen Johnson wrote: Talk about a thread hijack... LOL In my day we had to write basic going up hill in the snow... Both ways... You had snow? In my day it was just glaciers -- as far as the eye could see. We used to freeze our rocks -- I did mention that that's

Re: [PHP] Are these Truthful Proof about PHP ??

2008-02-27 Thread Shawn McKenzie
Daniel Brown wrote: On Wed, Feb 27, 2008 at 5:01 PM, Shawn McKenzie [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Actually, if I recall correctly, I normally had to start with increments of 100. I always started with 10 and incremented by 10 in both MS and GW BASIC (and on TI, C64, LASER, etc.), because

Re: [PHP] Are these Truthful Proof about PHP ??

2008-02-27 Thread Casey
On Wed, Feb 27, 2008 at 10:03 AM, Dare Williams [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dear Developers, http://msdn2.microsoft.com/en-us/library/aa479002.aspx I read an Article on the above Microsoft website stating the reason why to Migrate from PHP to ASP.NET. So can you please justify this proofs