Re: [PHP] Re: php framework, large site
On Tue, 2007-06-19 at 13:41 +0800, Crayon Shin Chan wrote: > On Tuesday 19 June 2007 09:35, Robert Cummings wrote: > > > Ah but it is quite possible that the OP will go ahead and try to build > > a framework, he may fail miserably, all the while learning from his > > mistakes. Then he may try again and subsequently build a kickass > > framework. > > In the pragmatic world where you're working on a project, for a living, to > a time schedule, then learning from other people's mistakes is less time > consuming than creating your own mistakes, recognise that they are > mistakes and then learn from them. > > Of course if you invoke your "it's only for fun" defence then pragmatism > wouldn't come into it and whatever you do or don't do doesn't really > matter. I wouldn't call it a defence. It's a point of view. > > Since not all paths lead to the same conclusion it is just > > as possible that if he doesn't go down this path that he will never > > create a kickass framework no matter how many frameworks he studies. > > Now you're trudging into the realms of philosophy, crystal ball gazing and > groundless speculation. No, it's simple probability. > > Some of the greatest science comes from those unaware of established > > rules and theories. > > I'm sure most people on the list aren't looking to make revolutionary > advances in php programming. Most are simply looking for practical > answers to practical questions. And many will encounter serendipity along the way regardless of what they are looking to achieve. Cheers, Rob. -- .. | InterJinn Application Framework - http://www.interjinn.com | :: | An application and templating framework for PHP. Boasting | | a powerful, scalable system for accessing system services | | such as forms, properties, sessions, and caches. InterJinn | | also provides an extremely flexible architecture for | | creating re-usable components quickly and easily. | `' -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] Re: php framework, large site
On Tuesday 19 June 2007 09:35, Robert Cummings wrote: > Ah but it is quite possible that the OP will go ahead and try to build > a framework, he may fail miserably, all the while learning from his > mistakes. Then he may try again and subsequently build a kickass > framework. In the pragmatic world where you're working on a project, for a living, to a time schedule, then learning from other people's mistakes is less time consuming than creating your own mistakes, recognise that they are mistakes and then learn from them. Of course if you invoke your "it's only for fun" defence then pragmatism wouldn't come into it and whatever you do or don't do doesn't really matter. > Since not all paths lead to the same conclusion it is just > as possible that if he doesn't go down this path that he will never > create a kickass framework no matter how many frameworks he studies. Now you're trudging into the realms of philosophy, crystal ball gazing and groundless speculation. > Some of the greatest science comes from those unaware of established > rules and theories. I'm sure most people on the list aren't looking to make revolutionary advances in php programming. Most are simply looking for practical answers to practical questions. -- Crayon -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] Re: php framework, large site
On Tuesday 19 June 2007 09:12, Nathan Nobbe wrote: > it seems to me most people use the terms flavor and distribution > interchangeably when referring to linux. Yeah and most people forget that linux (the kernel) is only a tiny part of a "linux distribution". > although gentoo linux [the only os i run] is designed on the same > basic concept of freeBSD it is entirely unique; basically a freeBSD > rewrite w/ the linux kernel; o, it can run w/ the freeBSD kernel too. > in effect a completely new breed of os was born; and i didnt catch > that one on your list; probly because it is essentially "distro Z", so > to speak. I use gentoo too. I didn't mention it because it has relatively few derivatives. -- Crayon -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] Php script diagnostic app?
Thanks a lot for that post Paul. It brings up a question though. You said to never ever use that on a production server (an important disclaimer!) so I was wondering what people here used to log and simulate loads. I've used OpenSTA ( http://opensta.org/ ) and I was pleased with the results but it only works with windows. What do you guys generally use under linux? Just squid? Something else? I suppose I can just set up a windows box if I have to since OpenSTA acts as a transparent gateway but if there's a good linux solution out there for recording usage and playing it back concurrently I'd like to hear about it. With OpenSTA to create a test script it's as easy as clicking the record button to create the script and stop when you're done. Then you can go in and manually edit the script if you like and you can play it back as many times as you'd like concurrently (thereby simulating many users). Anyone know of anything like this? Thanks On 6/18/07, Paul Scott <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: On Mon, 2007-06-18 at 06:39 +0200, Paul Scott wrote: > If you would like a more detailed HOWTO, please let me know, and I will > write up something for you. http://fsiu.uwc.ac.za/index.php?module=blog&action=viewsingle&postid=gen9Srv59Nme5_9262_1182142431&userid=3897070607 --Paul All Email originating from UWC is covered by disclaimer http://www.uwc.ac.za/portal/uwc2006/content/mail_disclaimer/index.htm -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] RE: [Updated] Previous and Next Month and Year
On Mon, 2007-06-18 at 21:36 -0600, Keith Spiller wrote:
> Hi Guys,
>
> RE: [Updated] Previous and Next Month and Year
>
> Here is part of my code:
>
> $month = 6;
> // Current month value, but changes changes with next/prev links.
> // Value used by a mini calendar script "phpcalendar"...
> // Originally derived via: $month = date('n', time());
> // And updated with $month = $month +1 for next month
> // And $month = $month -1 for next month
> // So the value will be 1 through 12 for current year's months.
> // And 0, -1, -2 etc. for last year and 13, 14 etc. for next year.
>
> $prev_month = date('F Y', mktime(0, 0, 0, date("m")-$month, date("d"),
> date("Y")));
> $next_month = date('F Y', mktime(0, 0, 0, date("m")+$month, date("d"),
> date("Y")));
>
> echo "Month: $month \n";
> echo "Prev: $prev_month \n";
> echo "Next: $next_month \n";
>
> The result:
> Month: 6
> Prev: December 2006
> Next: December 2007
>
> The desired results would be:
> Month: 6
> Prev: May 2007
> Next: July 2007
>
> And needs to bear in mind the year...
>
> The phpcalendar script is working perfectly with my own next
> and prev month links using $month +1 and $month -1. So I am
> trying to get my Event boxes to work in the same way listing
> the previous month, current month and next month.
Cheers,
Rob.
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[PHP] RE: [Updated] Previous and Next Month and Year
Hi Guys,
RE: [Updated] Previous and Next Month and Year
Here is part of my code:
$month = 6;
// Current month value, but changes changes with next/prev links.
// Value used by a mini calendar script "phpcalendar"...
// Originally derived via: $month = date('n', time());
// And updated with $month = $month +1 for next month
// And $month = $month -1 for next month
// So the value will be 1 through 12 for current year's months.
// And 0, -1, -2 etc. for last year and 13, 14 etc. for next year.
$prev_month = date('F Y', mktime(0, 0, 0, date("m")-$month, date("d"),
date("Y")));
$next_month = date('F Y', mktime(0, 0, 0, date("m")+$month, date("d"),
date("Y")));
echo "Month: $month \n";
echo "Prev: $prev_month \n";
echo "Next: $next_month \n";
The result:
Month: 6
Prev: December 2006
Next: December 2007
The desired results would be:
Month: 6
Prev: May 2007
Next: July 2007
And needs to bear in mind the year...
The phpcalendar script is working perfectly with my own next
and prev month links using $month +1 and $month -1. So I am
trying to get my Event boxes to work in the same way listing
the previous month, current month and next month.
Thanks,
Keith
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Re: [PHP] Date
On Monday 18 June 2007, Robert Cummings wrote:
> On Mon, 2007-06-18 at 21:57 -0400, Ron Piggott wrote:
> > If
> >
> > $expiry_date = "2007-10-17";
> >
> > How do I add 7 days to this? I know the strtotime("+7 days"); command,
> > but don't know how to make it work with a date that isn't today.
>
> You would do:
>
> strtotime( '+7 days', $time );
>
> The $time is a unix timestamp... so you'll need to convert $expiry_date
> to a unix timestamp. You can take a look at the mktime() function for
> more information.
Just be meta about it.
strtotime('+7 days', strtotime($expiry_date));
Ta da! :-)
(Note: strtotime() is probably not the fastest to execute way of doing it, but
it's the fastest to write. Choose wisely.)
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Re: [PHP] Date
On Mon, 2007-06-18 at 21:57 -0400, Ron Piggott wrote:
> If
>
> $expiry_date = "2007-10-17";
>
> How do I add 7 days to this? I know the strtotime("+7 days"); command,
> but don't know how to make it work with a date that isn't today.
You would do:
strtotime( '+7 days', $time );
The $time is a unix timestamp... so you'll need to convert $expiry_date
to a unix timestamp. You can take a look at the mktime() function for
more information.
Cheers,
Rob.
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[PHP] Date
If
$expiry_date = "2007-10-17";
How do I add 7 days to this? I know the strtotime("+7 days"); command,
but don't know how to make it work with a date that isn't today.
(Please respond directly to my e-mail address)
Ron
Re: [PHP] Comparing string to array
Perhaps you're looking for in_array()?
On Monday 18 June 2007, Richard Davey wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> Ok it's 2am, my brain has gone to mush and I am having trouble
> figuring out an easy way to do this, can anyone shed some light?
>
> Take a peek at the following code:
>
> // START
>
> print_r($_POST);
>
> $userparam = "test['sam'][]";
>
> // How to check if $userparam exists in the $_POST array
> // and get all the values from it?
>
> // Obviously this won't work, but you get the idea:
> if (isset($_POST[$userparam]))
> {
> echo 'yeah';
> $values = $_POST[$userparam];
> }
> else
> {
> echo 'nah';
> }
> ?>
>
>
>
>
> red
> green
> blue
> red2
> green2
> blue2
>
>
>
>
> // END
>
> From the code above I'm trying to figure out how to tell if the
> $userparam exists in the $_POST array. PHP automatically expands the
> form element name into multi-dim arrays within $_POST, so a simple
> 'isset' as shown in the code above won't play because it's got a
> totally useless array key passed to it.
>
> I need a way to turn the string:
>
> "test['sam'][]"
>
> into something I can look into $_POST for.
>
> Any ideas? The coffee boost is wearing off, but I want to get this
> licked tonight :-\
>
> Cheers,
>
> Rich
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>
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Re: [PHP] generate images of register definitions
On 6/9/07, Richard Lynch <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
On Sat, June 9, 2007 4:27 pm, Mike Frysinger wrote:
> anyone know of some software to generate images like this:
> http://wh0rd.org/register.png
> idea is i have a list of registers and their bit meanings, and i want
> to automatically generate images like the above one from this data
>
> yes, i can write some custom code in PHP using GD, but i'd much rather
> use someone else's work than start from scratch
It's remotely possible that you could hack something from JP Graph to
look not completely unlike that...
Though I suspect you might find it easier to start from scratch,
honestly...
yeah ive just started from scratch ... here's what ive got so far in
case anyone happens to wander across this ...
$reg = new register("WDOG_CTL", "Watchdog Control Register",
0xFFC00200, 0x0AD0, 16,
array(
array(15, 15, "WDRO", "0 - Watchdog timer has not expired\n1 -
Watchdog timer has expired", W1C),
array(11, 4, "WDEN", "0xAD - Counter disabled\nAll other
values - Counter enabled"),
array(2, 1, "WDEV", "00 - Generate reset event\n01 - Generate
NMI\n10 - Generate GP interrupt\n11 - Disable event generation")
)
);
register_to_png($reg);
http://wh0rd.org/register2.png
maybe i'll start a cheesy sf project for it
-mike
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Re: [PHP] Re: php framework, large site
On Mon, 2007-06-18 at 21:12 -0400, Nathan Nobbe wrote: > On 6/18/07, Crayon Shin Chan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > and you never know a new one could just become the best one. > > > > Look, if the OP has what it takes to build "the best" framework he would > > have just gone ahead and did it instead asking. That is not to say that > > in future when he has more experience he could not go on to build a > > kickass framework. > > > > agreed Ah but it is quite possible that the OP will go ahead and try to build a framework, he may fail miserably, all the while learning from his mistakes. Then he may try again and subsequently build a kickass framework. Since not all paths lead to the same conclusion it is just as possible that if he doesn't go down this path that he will never create a kickass framework no matter how many frameworks he studies. Some of the greatest science comes from those unaware of established rules and theories. Cheers, Rob. -- .. | InterJinn Application Framework - http://www.interjinn.com | :: | An application and templating framework for PHP. Boasting | | a powerful, scalable system for accessing system services | | such as forms, properties, sessions, and caches. InterJinn | | also provides an extremely flexible architecture for | | creating re-usable components quickly and easily. | `' -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] Re: php framework, large site
On Tue, 2007-06-19 at 05:31 +0800, Crayon Shin Chan wrote: > On Tuesday 19 June 2007 02:18, Robert Cummings wrote: > > > I put that exact phrase (double quoted of course) into Google and > > turned up the following: > > > > Your search - "there's a fine line between personal satisfaction > > and egotism" - did not match any documents. > > > > I'm going to guess you just made it up. > > Glad you did some research. As a matter of fact I did made it up just now. > Are you disputing that the saying is not widely used, or that it has no > truth in it? Making up phrases and passing them off as though they are common adages only goes towards showing that you have no steam to your argument. > And just for fun here's another I just made up (I've no idea what Google > has to say on this): > > "There's a fine line between personal satisfaction and personal > gratification" I won't bother looking. I have little faith in your words now. If I wanted fallacious reasoning I'd go watch a commercial on the telly. > > Jumping to conclusions attempts to bypass logical argument and so rests > > on a weak foundation. > > Jumping to conclusions in the literal sense (as opposed to it's negative > connotation) means making a judgement based on limited facts. As long as > said conclusion does not fly in the face of the known facts then where is > the bypassing of logical argument? However I grant you that a judgement > without all the facts is based on weak foundations. But you can't expect > me to ask the OP to submit a psychological assessment and attestations of > personal character from ministers/priests/preachers/mullahs of 3 major > faiths, before I can ascertain what his/her motives are for asking a > question. You could ask the OP for more information rather than jump to conclusions. Sort of moot now though since the OP re-iterated that he was indeed seeking information on how to start a framework. This should have been the logical conclusion to which one would jump given that the only fact that was known was that the OP wanted guidance on how to start a framework. All else you came up with was flight of fancy. > > Actually, I was suggesting giving thought to any particular worldview > > before jumping on the bandwagon. I wasn't suggesting being different > > for the sake of being different. It is important to make informed > > decisions. > > Thank you. You're welcome. > > > Again you're jumping to conclusions I never mentioned popularity. > > > However when a project has not seen any updates for years and is > > > still marked as "in the planning stages" then I _would_ jump to > > > conclusions and assume it has been neglected/abandoned/forgotten/etc. > > > > I know for fact that popularity doesn't constitute quality - there's no > > jumping to conclusion there. > > Gordon bennett, why are you so fixated on popularity, I mentioned at all > in my posts. Maybe it's a Freudian [insert appropriate terminology here] > because your framework is not as popular as you think it ought to be and > so you're being defensive? In that case you're suffering from an > inferiority complex. You're not very good at this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ad_hominem At any rate, if you jump on the site, go to the about section and read the history, you'll see I wrote my framework for my MUD. So I fall into the "just for fun" crowd. But anyways, nowadays I use my framework pretty much every single day I work and I make good money doing so. If I were being defensive I'd have probably tried telling the OP to use my framework. I stopped evangelizing it a couple of years ago... I don't care if people use it or not *lol*. > Read what I wrote above, I'm talking about UPDATES (or the lack of), not > popularity. You implied it. > > The only one placing limits on what you can do is... dun dun dun... > > YOU! Well maybe the government also, but that's only until you get > > caught. > > To an extent. But a lot of money certainly helps. Unless you're limiting > your fields of study to theoretical mathematics/physics. Certainly helps some. Others get by fine without a lot of money. > > > > You cannot discount the merit of one > > > > person's contribution because you think they should have another > > > > work style/ethic. > > On the contrary I greatly appreciate all the wonderful software that > one-person bands all over the world has contributed to the public You mean "have contributed" not "has contributed" *smirk*. > domain/free/open source space. > > > Exactly, and where does it say that he wants to join an existing > > project? > > Nowhere. We're all here to exchange ideas, information, suggestions and > new angles on (mis)preconceptions (at least I hope most of us are), and > maybe a flame or 2. So just because the OP "did not explicitly state that > he wanted to join an existing project", it does not mean that he "would > not join an existing project" or "make use of an existing project" under >
[PHP] Comparing string to array
Hi all, Ok it's 2am, my brain has gone to mush and I am having trouble figuring out an easy way to do this, can anyone shed some light? Take a peek at the following code: // START red green blue red2 green2 blue2 // END From the code above I'm trying to figure out how to tell if the $userparam exists in the $_POST array. PHP automatically expands the form element name into multi-dim arrays within $_POST, so a simple 'isset' as shown in the code above won't play because it's got a totally useless array key passed to it. I need a way to turn the string: "test['sam'][]" into something I can look into $_POST for. Any ideas? The coffee boost is wearing off, but I want to get this licked tonight :-\ Cheers, Rich -- Zend Certified Engineer http://www.corephp.co.uk "Never trust a computer you can't throw out of a window" -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] Re: php framework, large site
On 6/18/07, Crayon Shin Chan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: On Tuesday 19 June 2007 02:04, Nathan Nobbe wrote: > discouraging new framework development is like telling the people of > the world never to develop a new flavor of linux. There are no new flavours of linux. You're probably mixing it up with linux distributions of which there are many. it seems to me most people use the terms flavor and distribution interchangeably when referring to linux. Most of which are, whilst not exactly useless, have limited appeal. Yes they are fun and I love trying them out. I also make customised livecds for my own personal use. But the vast majority of these linux distros are based on "distro A", which is based on "distro B", which is based on "distro C", ..., which is based on "distro Z", which is based on either Debian, Redhat, Slackware or Suse. However for real work I would only use a major distro where I can expect timely updates and security fixes. although gentoo linux [the only os i run] is designed on the same basic concept of freeBSD it is entirely unique; basically a freeBSD rewrite w/ the linux kernel; o, it can run w/ the freeBSD kernel too. in effect a completely new breed of os was born; and i didnt catch that one on your list; probly because it is essentially "distro Z", so to speak. > we all know its a massive undertaking, but there is merit and purpose > in it nonetheless. And just what might the "merit" and "purpose" be? We can probably conclude that the "purpose" is to facilitate the creation of a "large site", but the OP never said what/whether there is any merit. But the creation of a "large site" does not imply that there needs to be a new framework, so the "purpose" is not clear. i suppose i began to think in general terms rather than the context of this thread. > and you never know a new one could just become the best one. Look, if the OP has what it takes to build "the best" framework he would have just gone ahead and did it instead asking. That is not to say that in future when he has more experience he could not go on to build a kickass framework. agreed -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] Controlling project version
On Monday 18 June 2007, Chris wrote: > >> Compare that to: > >> > >> cvs tag -b "branch name" module_name > >> > >> ;) > > > > Ok, this is where you need to understand the fundamental difference > > between how CVS and Subversion work. For CVS branching and tagging are > > operations in themselves. In Subversion they're just copies. How you > > layout your repository is up to you, but the recommended layout is > > usually used because you need somewhere in the repository to put > > branches and tags. > > > > As for how to do it... think of it as simply copying files and it should > > make sense... > > > > svn copy svn+ssh://server/repos/trunk svn+ssh://server/repos/tags/mytag > > That does make sense - it's just a pain to re-do a repository if you > didn't set it up properly in the first place (which I never thought I'd > have to do for a version control system). > > Anyway thanks for the tip ;) SVN's architecture for branching and tagging is a lot nicer. CVS's UI primitives for branching and tagging are a lot nicer. I think SVN is easier to fix in that regard than CVS is. I'm rather curious why some stock hook scripts don't exist to do that for you already. -- Larry Garfield AIM: LOLG42 [EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ: 6817012 "If nature has made any one thing less susceptible than all others of exclusive property, it is the action of the thinking power called an idea, which an individual may exclusively possess as long as he keeps it to himself; but the moment it is divulged, it forces itself into the possession of every one, and the receiver cannot dispossess himself of it." -- Thomas Jefferson -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
[PHP] fsocketopen not returning data properly
I'm having trouble with sockets in PHP, if anyone has the time to help out
that would be awesome.
I am trying to get the result of a post
echo httpSocketConnection("www.google.com", "POST", "/search", "q=test",
"80");
This should post to google.com with a query of test. Then give me the
response. The function I'm using is below.
Here's the function's code:
function httpSocketConnection($host, $method, $path, $data, $port)
{
$method = strtoupper($method);
if ($method == "GET")
{
$path.= '?'.$data;
}
$filePointer = fsockopen($host, $port, $errorNumber, $errorString);
if (!$filePointer)
{
logEvent('debug', 'Failed opening http socket connection:
'.$errorString.' ('.$errorNumber.')\n');
return false;
}
$requestHeader = $method." ".$path." HTTP/1.1\r\n";
$requestHeader.= "Host: ".$host."\r\n";
$requestHeader.= "User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows
NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.8.1) Gecko/20061010 Firefox/2.0\r\n";
$requestHeader.= "Content-Type:
application/x-www-form-urlencoded\r\n";
if ($method == "POST")
{
$requestHeader.= "Content-Length: ".strlen($data)."\r\n";
}
$requestHeader.= "Connection: close\r\n\r\n";
if ($method == "POST")
{
$requestHeader.= $data;
}
fwrite($filePointer, $requestHeader);
$responseHeader = '';
$responseContent = '';
do
{
$responseHeader.= fread($filePointer, 1);
}
while (!preg_match('/\\r\\n\\r\\n$/', $responseHeader));
if (!strstr($responseHeader, "Transfer-Encoding: chunked"))
{
while (!feof($filePointer))
{
$responseContent.= fgets($filePointer, 128);
}
}
else
{
while ($chunk_length = hexdec(fgets($filePointer)))
{
$responseContentChunk = '';
logEventToTextFile('debug', $chunk_length);
$read_length = 0;
while ($read_length < $chunk_length)
{
$responseContentChunk .= fread($filePointer,
$chunk_length - $read_length);
$read_length = strlen($responseContentChunk);
}
$responseContent.= $responseContentChunk;
fgets($filePointer);
}
}
logEventToTextFile('debug', $responseContent);
return chop($responseContent);
}
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Re: [PHP] PHP calling an ISAPI Extension
Dan wrote:
I wish I could, I can't count on the script being on a linux machine. I
also can't expect people to rebuild PHP with the curl library just to
use my script. Is there any other way to do a post to a page from a php
function?
- Daniel
"Jim Lucas" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Dan wrote:
I would normaly do it with an AJAX call but I need to do a post from
WITHIN a PHP function, so when it's doing php stuff
ex.
function something()
{
echo 'whatever';
$response = post some data to a ISAPI Extension eg. post to
http://domain.com/scripts/app.dll
return $response . "other data";
}
""Jay Blanchard"" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
[snip]
I'm in need of a way to contact an ISAPI Extension from a PHP function.
Does anyone know how I would be able to do this? Usually you would post
a
page to their URL/actionname. Can I do a POST from a PHP function
without
reloading the page, and get a result back? That's one tall order.
Anyone
want to give it a shot?
[/snip]
Do the POST with an AJAX call
perform an ajax call the a php script that calls curl to do a post to
the ISAPI extension
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and some have greatness thrust upon them."
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by William Shakespeare
The only method that I am aware of is the fsockopen method you mention in your
other email
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Re: [PHP] PHP calling an ISAPI Extension
I wish I could, I can't count on the script being on a linux machine. I
also can't expect people to rebuild PHP with the curl library just to use my
script. Is there any other way to do a post to a page from a php function?
- Daniel
"Jim Lucas" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Dan wrote:
I would normaly do it with an AJAX call but I need to do a post from
WITHIN a PHP function, so when it's doing php stuff
ex.
function something()
{
echo 'whatever';
$response = post some data to a ISAPI Extension eg. post to
http://domain.com/scripts/app.dll
return $response . "other data";
}
""Jay Blanchard"" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
[snip]
I'm in need of a way to contact an ISAPI Extension from a PHP function.
Does anyone know how I would be able to do this? Usually you would post
a
page to their URL/actionname. Can I do a POST from a PHP function
without
reloading the page, and get a result back? That's one tall order.
Anyone
want to give it a shot?
[/snip]
Do the POST with an AJAX call
perform an ajax call the a php script that calls curl to do a post to the
ISAPI extension
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and some have greatness thrust upon them."
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Re: [PHP] PHP calling an ISAPI Extension
For example, I could use function fsockopen but that seems like it would probably be pretty slow doing all that, and if there's a php function or small script that would be preferable over the 50/60 lines you would need to do it properly with fsockopen. - Daniel ""Jay Blanchard"" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED] [snip] I'm in need of a way to contact an ISAPI Extension from a PHP function. Does anyone know how I would be able to do this? Usually you would post a page to their URL/actionname. Can I do a POST from a PHP function without reloading the page, and get a result back? That's one tall order. Anyone want to give it a shot? [/snip] Do the POST with an AJAX call -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] Re: php framework, large site
At 1:39 AM +0800 6/19/07, Crayon Shin Chan wrote: On Monday 18 June 2007 04:00, Robert Cummings wrote: > Maybe so, but much science and many breakthroughs are still done by the > lone inventory/researcher. Particularly in the field of astronomy where amateurs are still able to contribute greatly. However gone are the days when I could conduct high energy particle physics experiments in my own basement and launch interplanetary space probes from my own backyard. Yes, but the fact still remains, for the exception of drug companies passing DNA sequences off as patents, the *majority* of patents for inventions are due to the efforts of a lone risk taker putting his money, time, and effort on the line trying to invent something. And, one *never* could "conduct high energy particle physics experiments in my own basement and launch interplanetary space probes from my own backyard". Cheers, tedd -- --- http://sperling.com http://ancientstones.com http://earthstones.com -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] Re: php framework, large site
At 2:18 PM -0400 6/18/07, Robert Cummings wrote: On Tue, 2007-06-19 at 01:39 +0800, Crayon Shin Chan wrote: > On Monday 18 June 2007 04:00, Robert Cummings wrote: -snip- Looks like someone released the Kraken. :-) Cheers, tedd -- --- http://sperling.com http://ancientstones.com http://earthstones.com -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] Re: php framework, large site
At 1:48 AM +0800 6/19/07, Crayon Shin Chan wrote: On Tuesday 19 June 2007 00:36, tedd wrote: What about the wasted time in searching through "billions of half-baked to fully-baked frameworks" to find one that works for you? That's really a waste of time. Well search through the fully-baked frameworks only, and don't create another half-baked one. And are you seriously suggesting that you can create a fairly decent framework from scratch in less time than it takes to evaluate what's out there? For me? Absolutely! I haven't failed myself yet. But, then again, I don't work on important stuff. I'm just a simple key puncher with satisfied customers. Cheers, tedd -- --- http://sperling.com http://ancientstones.com http://earthstones.com -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] PHP calling an ISAPI Extension
Dan wrote:
I would normaly do it with an AJAX call but I need to do a post from
WITHIN a PHP function, so when it's doing php stuff
ex.
function something()
{
echo 'whatever';
$response = post some data to a ISAPI Extension eg. post to
http://domain.com/scripts/app.dll
return $response . "other data";
}
""Jay Blanchard"" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
[snip]
I'm in need of a way to contact an ISAPI Extension from a PHP function.
Does anyone know how I would be able to do this? Usually you would post
a
page to their URL/actionname. Can I do a POST from a PHP function
without
reloading the page, and get a result back? That's one tall order.
Anyone
want to give it a shot?
[/snip]
Do the POST with an AJAX call
perform an ajax call the a php script that calls curl to do a post to the ISAPI
extension
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and some have greatness thrust upon them."
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Re: [PHP] PHP calling an ISAPI Extension
I would normaly do it with an AJAX call but I need to do a post from WITHIN
a PHP function, so when it's doing php stuff
ex.
function something()
{
echo 'whatever';
$response = post some data to a ISAPI Extension eg. post to
http://domain.com/scripts/app.dll
return $response . "other data";
}
""Jay Blanchard"" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
[snip]
I'm in need of a way to contact an ISAPI Extension from a PHP function.
Does anyone know how I would be able to do this? Usually you would post
a
page to their URL/actionname. Can I do a POST from a PHP function
without
reloading the page, and get a result back? That's one tall order.
Anyone
want to give it a shot?
[/snip]
Do the POST with an AJAX call
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RE: [PHP] PHP calling an ISAPI Extension
[snip] I'm in need of a way to contact an ISAPI Extension from a PHP function. Does anyone know how I would be able to do this? Usually you would post a page to their URL/actionname. Can I do a POST from a PHP function without reloading the page, and get a result back? That's one tall order. Anyone want to give it a shot? [/snip] Do the POST with an AJAX call -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
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Re: [PHP] Re: php framework, large site
On Tuesday 19 June 2007 02:04, Nathan Nobbe wrote: > discouraging new framework development is like telling the people of > the world never to develop a new flavor of linux. There are no new flavours of linux. You're probably mixing it up with linux distributions of which there are many. Most of which are, whilst not exactly useless, have limited appeal. Yes they are fun and I love trying them out. I also make customised livecds for my own personal use. But the vast majority of these linux distros are based on "distro A", which is based on "distro B", which is based on "distro C", ..., which is based on "distro Z", which is based on either Debian, Redhat, Slackware or Suse. However for real work I would only use a major distro where I can expect timely updates and security fixes. > we all know its a massive undertaking, but there is merit and purpose > in it nonetheless. And just what might the "merit" and "purpose" be? We can probably conclude that the "purpose" is to facilitate the creation of a "large site", but the OP never said what/whether there is any merit. But the creation of a "large site" does not imply that there needs to be a new framework, so the "purpose" is not clear. > and you never know a new one could just become the best one. Look, if the OP has what it takes to build "the best" framework he would have just gone ahead and did it instead asking. That is not to say that in future when he has more experience he could not go on to build a kickass framework. -- Crayon -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] file_exists, Windows, and EasyPHP
On 6/18/07, Jim Lucas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Daniel Brown wrote: > On 6/18/07, Jim Lucas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> First off, don't jack someone else's thread. > >Am I not getting all of the list messages today? I didn't see > where the thread hijacking occurred > -- Jim Lucas "Some men are born to greatness, some achieve greatness, and some have greatness thrust upon them." Twelfth Night, Act II, Scene V by William Shakespeare Weird, I didn't get those messages. I wasn't being a smartass, I was legitimately wondering if I was missing emails from the list today, and apparently I am. Thanks, Jim. -- Daniel P. Brown [office] (570-) 587-7080 Ext. 272 [mobile] (570-) 766-8107 -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] file_exists, Windows, and EasyPHP
Daniel Brown wrote: On 6/18/07, Jim Lucas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: First off, don't jack someone else's thread. Am I not getting all of the list messages today? I didn't see where the thread hijacking occurred -- Jim Lucas "Some men are born to greatness, some achieve greatness, and some have greatness thrust upon them." Twelfth Night, Act II, Scene V by William Shakespeare -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] file_exists, Windows, and EasyPHP
Jim Lucas wrote:
First off, don't jack someone else's thread.
Secondly, I think it might have something to do with the space in the
file name.
Try changing all spaces to %20 and see what happens.
$string = str_replace(' ', '%20', $string);
should do the trick
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and some have greatness thrust upon them."
Twelfth Night, Act II, Scene V
by William Shakespeare
Since my own reader isn't threaded I wasn't aware of the threading
issue. I'll keep this in mind in the future.
I assume by spaces you are referring to E:\Program Files\. Well, if a
php package for windows can't understand its own file system something
is seriously wrong. But in fact that's not the case since dokuwiki runs
on the system and uses io_readFile.
Glad to see you are now crediting Shakespeare.
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Re: [PHP] Re: php framework, large site
On Tuesday 19 June 2007 02:18, Robert Cummings wrote: > I put that exact phrase (double quoted of course) into Google and > turned up the following: > > Your search - "there's a fine line between personal satisfaction > and egotism" - did not match any documents. > > I'm going to guess you just made it up. Glad you did some research. As a matter of fact I did made it up just now. Are you disputing that the saying is not widely used, or that it has no truth in it? And just for fun here's another I just made up (I've no idea what Google has to say on this): "There's a fine line between personal satisfaction and personal gratification" > Jumping to conclusions attempts to bypass logical argument and so rests > on a weak foundation. Jumping to conclusions in the literal sense (as opposed to it's negative connotation) means making a judgement based on limited facts. As long as said conclusion does not fly in the face of the known facts then where is the bypassing of logical argument? However I grant you that a judgement without all the facts is based on weak foundations. But you can't expect me to ask the OP to submit a psychological assessment and attestations of personal character from ministers/priests/preachers/mullahs of 3 major faiths, before I can ascertain what his/her motives are for asking a question. > Actually, I was suggesting giving thought to any particular worldview > before jumping on the bandwagon. I wasn't suggesting being different > for the sake of being different. It is important to make informed > decisions. Thank you. > > Again you're jumping to conclusions I never mentioned popularity. > > However when a project has not seen any updates for years and is > > still marked as "in the planning stages" then I _would_ jump to > > conclusions and assume it has been neglected/abandoned/forgotten/etc. > > I know for fact that popularity doesn't constitute quality - there's no > jumping to conclusion there. Gordon bennett, why are you so fixated on popularity, I mentioned at all in my posts. Maybe it's a Freudian [insert appropriate terminology here] because your framework is not as popular as you think it ought to be and so you're being defensive? In that case you're suffering from an inferiority complex. Read what I wrote above, I'm talking about UPDATES (or the lack of), not popularity. > The only one placing limits on what you can do is... dun dun dun... > YOU! Well maybe the government also, but that's only until you get > caught. To an extent. But a lot of money certainly helps. Unless you're limiting your fields of study to theoretical mathematics/physics. > > > You cannot discount the merit of one > > > person's contribution because you think they should have another > > > work style/ethic. On the contrary I greatly appreciate all the wonderful software that one-person bands all over the world has contributed to the public domain/free/open source space. > Exactly, and where does it say that he wants to join an existing > project? Nowhere. We're all here to exchange ideas, information, suggestions and new angles on (mis)preconceptions (at least I hope most of us are), and maybe a flame or 2. So just because the OP "did not explicitly state that he wanted to join an existing project", it does not mean that he "would not join an existing project" or "make use of an existing project" under any circumstances. Given good enough reasons he could be persuaded one way or another. > Maybe he was about to think things through and just wanted a bump in > the right direction... the right direction being "how to start my own > framework" And do you have any pearls of wisdom to start this young novice on the road to enlightenment? Given that you have apparently built your own framework I am frankly disappointed that you have nothing better to contribute than to reply to my mindless drivel. And a :) for good measure. > and not "how to join someone else's project". And as that is the best advice given the circumstances that is what I suggest. > Ahh, you discount the merit of having fun doing things like this. Many > great inventions have seen the light of day just because someone was > having fun doing them. I am not discounting that merit. But I've a feeling that the OP is not doing his large site for fun, but what do I know - I'm always jumping into conclusions. > What constitutes a fully-baked framework? Please indicate some valid > measure of "fully-baked" versus "half-baked". Your quantitative methods > of analysis will be appreciated I'm sure. And remember, popularity > isn't necessarily a measure of quality and so can't be used solely to > indicate fully-baked... maybe fully-baking, but certainly not > fully-baked. Frankly the OP cannot make a reasonable assessment as to how much baked any particular framework is then it is my sincere belief that he is in even less of a position to create new framework. Personally, how much bake
Re: [PHP] file_exists, Windows, and EasyPHP
On 6/18/07, Jim Lucas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: First off, don't jack someone else's thread. Am I not getting all of the list messages today? I didn't see where the thread hijacking occurred -- Daniel P. Brown [office] (570-) 587-7080 Ext. 272 [mobile] (570-) 766-8107 -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] file_exists, Windows, and EasyPHP
Myron Turner wrote:
I've written a plugin for DokuWiki which uses the following DokuWiki
function for reading files:
function io_readFile($file,$clean=true){
$ret = '';
if(@file_exists($file)){
if(substr($file,-3) == '.gz'){
$ret = join('',gzfile($file));
}else if(substr($file,-4) == '.bz2'){
$ret = bzfile($file);
}else{
$ret = join('',file($file));
}
}
if($clean){
return cleanText($ret);
}else{
return $ret;
}
}
On Linux machines, this seems to behave as you would hope, that is, if
the file doesn't exist then you get back a null string. In any event,
none of the users who have installed it on Linux machines have had a
problem with it. And I have done several installs myself. But one user
installed the plugin on a Windows machine and the code fell through to
$ret = join('',file($file)) even though there was no $file. The result
was an error message:
Permission denied in *E:\Program Files\EasyPHP
2.0b1\www\dokuwiki\inc\io.php* on line *97
*Line 97 is the join. So the function is attempting to read a
non-existent file.
I was just wondering whether there is some difference in the way his PHP
version handles the @ operator in:
if(@file_exists($file))
That is, is it possible that by suppressing errors, this expression
somehow returns true? And is it a bug?
Thanks.
Myron
First off, don't jack someone else's thread.
Secondly, I think it might have something to do with the space in the file
name.
Try changing all spaces to %20 and see what happens.
$string = str_replace(' ', '%20', $string);
should do the trick
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Re: [PHP] file_exists, Windows, and EasyPHP
Edward Vermillion wrote:
On Jun 18, 2007, at 3:30 PM, Myron Turner wrote:
I've written a plugin for DokuWiki which uses the following DokuWiki
function for reading files:
function io_readFile($file,$clean=true){
$ret = '';
if(@file_exists($file)){
if(substr($file,-3) == '.gz'){
$ret = join('',gzfile($file));
}else if(substr($file,-4) == '.bz2'){
$ret = bzfile($file);
}else{
$ret = join('',file($file));
}
}
if($clean){
return cleanText($ret);
}else{
return $ret;
}
}
On Linux machines, this seems to behave as you would hope, that is,
if the file doesn't exist then you get back a null string. In any
event, none of the users who have installed it on Linux machines have
had a problem with it. And I have done several installs myself. But
one user installed the plugin on a Windows machine and the code fell
through to $ret = join('',file($file)) even though there was no
$file. The result was an error message:
Permission denied in *E:\Program Files\EasyPHP
2.0b1\www\dokuwiki\inc\io.php* on line *97
*Line 97 is the join. So the function is attempting to read a
non-existent file.
I was just wondering whether there is some difference in the way his
PHP version handles the @ operator in:
if(@file_exists($file))
That is, is it possible that by suppressing errors, this expression
somehow returns true? And is it a bug?
Are you sure the file doesn't exist? Could it just be that it exists,
but the permissions are not set correctly?
Ed
I don't really know, since I am depending on the user's feed-back. But
apparently he hadn't done anything yet with the plugin, so no files
would have been in that directory. But it's a possibility since the code
doesn't check for whether the file is readable.
It could just be a Windows issue, but I thought I'd check here, because
if it's something that others have run into and which I can rectify I'd
want to do it.
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Re: [PHP] file_exists, Windows, and EasyPHP
On Jun 18, 2007, at 3:30 PM, Myron Turner wrote:
I've written a plugin for DokuWiki which uses the following
DokuWiki function for reading files:
function io_readFile($file,$clean=true){
$ret = '';
if(@file_exists($file)){
if(substr($file,-3) == '.gz'){
$ret = join('',gzfile($file));
}else if(substr($file,-4) == '.bz2'){
$ret = bzfile($file);
}else{
$ret = join('',file($file));
}
}
if($clean){
return cleanText($ret);
}else{
return $ret;
}
}
On Linux machines, this seems to behave as you would hope, that is,
if the file doesn't exist then you get back a null string. In any
event, none of the users who have installed it on Linux machines
have had a problem with it. And I have done several installs
myself. But one user installed the plugin on a Windows machine and
the code fell through to $ret = join('',file($file)) even though
there was no $file. The result was an error message:
Permission denied in *E:\Program Files\EasyPHP 2.0b1
\www\dokuwiki\inc\io.php* on line *97
*Line 97 is the join. So the function is attempting to read a non-
existent file.
I was just wondering whether there is some difference in the way
his PHP version handles the @ operator in:
if(@file_exists($file))
That is, is it possible that by suppressing errors, this expression
somehow returns true? And is it a bug?
Are you sure the file doesn't exist? Could it just be that it exists,
but the permissions are not set correctly?
Ed
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[PHP] file_exists, Windows, and EasyPHP
I've written a plugin for DokuWiki which uses the following DokuWiki
function for reading files:
function io_readFile($file,$clean=true){
$ret = '';
if(@file_exists($file)){
if(substr($file,-3) == '.gz'){
$ret = join('',gzfile($file));
}else if(substr($file,-4) == '.bz2'){
$ret = bzfile($file);
}else{
$ret = join('',file($file));
}
}
if($clean){
return cleanText($ret);
}else{
return $ret;
}
}
On Linux machines, this seems to behave as you would hope, that is, if
the file doesn't exist then you get back a null string. In any event,
none of the users who have installed it on Linux machines have had a
problem with it. And I have done several installs myself. But one user
installed the plugin on a Windows machine and the code fell through to
$ret = join('',file($file)) even though there was no $file. The result
was an error message:
Permission denied in *E:\Program Files\EasyPHP
2.0b1\www\dokuwiki\inc\io.php* on line *97
*Line 97 is the join. So the function is attempting to read a
non-existent file.
I was just wondering whether there is some difference in the way his PHP
version handles the @ operator in:
if(@file_exists($file))
That is, is it possible that by suppressing errors, this expression
somehow returns true? And is it a bug?
Thanks.
Myron
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RE: [PHP] subtracting time from date and time
You are right I was looking at it as 0735 was in the morning sorry about
that.
In that case it works perfect
> -Original Message-
> From: Jim Lucas [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Monday, June 18, 2007 12:21 PM
> To: Richard Kurth
> Cc: php-general@lists.php.net
> Subject: Re: [PHP] subtracting time from date and time
>
> Richard Kurth wrote:
> >
> >
> >> -Original Message-
> >> From: Chris Boget [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >> Sent: Monday, June 18, 2007 10:55 AM
> >> To: Brad Bonkoski; Richard Kurth
> >> Cc: php-general@lists.php.net
> >> Subject: Re: [PHP] subtracting time from date and time
> >>
> >>> Something like this will get it into a time stamp...and
> >> then you can
> >>> do your calculations with ease, and reformat...
> >>> >>>$str = "20070617T193500";
> >>>list($date, $time) = explode("T",$str); ?>
> >> Even easier:
> >>
> >> $timestamp = strtotime( $str );
> >> http://us2.php.net/manual/en/function.strtotime.php
> >>
> >> $oneMinute = 60; // seconds
> >> $oneHour= $oneMinute * 60;
> >> $oneDay = $oneHour * 24;
> >>
> >> echo '5 minutes ago: ' . date( 'm/d/Y h:i:s', $timestamp - (
> >> $oneMinute *
> >> 5 ));
> >> echo '5 hours ago: ' . date( 'm/d/Y h:i:s', $timestamp - (
> $oneHour *
> >> 5 )); echo '5 days ago: ' . date( 'm/d/Y h:i:s', $timestamp - (
> >> $oneDay * 5 ));
> >
> > This works great tell you get to 8 hours ago it shows the
> correct time
> > but it does not change the date to the day before. 8 hours
> ago should
> > be
> > 06/16/2007 11:35:00 but what it shows is 06/17/2007 11:35:00
> >
> > $str = "20070617T193500";
>
> Notice that this time stamp is formatted in 24/hr days.
>
> so
> year 2007
> month 6
> day 17
>
> hour 19 = 7pm (not 7am)
> minute15
> second00
>
>
> > $timestamp = strtotime( $str );
> > $oneMinute = 60; // seconds
> > $oneHour= $oneMinute * 60;
> > $oneDay = $oneHour * 24;
> > echo 'time: ' . date( 'm/d/Y h:i:s', $timestamp );
> echo""; echo '5
> > minutes ago: ' . date( 'm/d/Y h:i:s', $timestamp - (
> $oneMinute *5 ));
> > echo""; echo '15 minutes ago: ' . date( 'm/d/Y h:i:s',
> $timestamp
> > - ( $oneMinute *15 )); echo""; echo '30 minutes ago: ' . date(
> > 'm/d/Y h:i:s', $timestamp - ( $oneMinute *30 ));
> echo""; echo '1
> > hours ago: ' . date( 'm/d/Y h:i:s', $timestamp - ( $oneHour * 1 ));
> > echo""; echo '2 hours ago: ' . date( 'm/d/Y h:i:s',
> $timestamp - (
> > $oneHour * 2 )); echo""; echo '5 hours ago: ' . date( 'm/d/Y
> > h:i:s', $timestamp - ( $oneHour * 5 )); echo""; echo '7 hours
> > ago: ' . date( 'm/d/Y h:i:s', $timestamp - ( $oneHour * 7 ));
> > echo""; echo '8 hours ago: ' . date( 'm/d/Y h:i:s',
> $timestamp - (
> > $oneHour * 8));
> >
>
>
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> and some have greatness thrust upon them."
>
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Re: [PHP] subtracting time from date and time
Richard Kurth wrote: -Original Message- From: Chris Boget [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, June 18, 2007 10:55 AM To: Brad Bonkoski; Richard Kurth Cc: php-general@lists.php.net Subject: Re: [PHP] subtracting time from date and time Something like this will get it into a time stamp...and then you can do your calculations with ease, and reformat... Even easier: $timestamp = strtotime( $str ); http://us2.php.net/manual/en/function.strtotime.php $oneMinute = 60; // seconds $oneHour= $oneMinute * 60; $oneDay = $oneHour * 24; echo '5 minutes ago: ' . date( 'm/d/Y h:i:s', $timestamp - ( $oneMinute * 5 )); echo '5 hours ago: ' . date( 'm/d/Y h:i:s', $timestamp - ( $oneHour * 5 )); echo '5 days ago: ' . date( 'm/d/Y h:i:s', $timestamp - ( $oneDay * 5 )); This works great tell you get to 8 hours ago it shows the correct time but it does not change the date to the day before. 8 hours ago should be 06/16/2007 11:35:00 but what it shows is 06/17/2007 11:35:00 $str = "20070617T193500"; Notice that this time stamp is formatted in 24/hr days. so year2007 month 6 day 17 hour19 = 7pm (not 7am) minute 15 second 00 $timestamp = strtotime( $str ); $oneMinute = 60; // seconds $oneHour= $oneMinute * 60; $oneDay = $oneHour * 24; echo 'time: ' . date( 'm/d/Y h:i:s', $timestamp ); echo""; echo '5 minutes ago: ' . date( 'm/d/Y h:i:s', $timestamp - ( $oneMinute *5 )); echo""; echo '15 minutes ago: ' . date( 'm/d/Y h:i:s', $timestamp - ( $oneMinute *15 )); echo""; echo '30 minutes ago: ' . date( 'm/d/Y h:i:s', $timestamp - ( $oneMinute *30 )); echo""; echo '1 hours ago: ' . date( 'm/d/Y h:i:s', $timestamp - ( $oneHour * 1 )); echo""; echo '2 hours ago: ' . date( 'm/d/Y h:i:s', $timestamp - ( $oneHour * 2 )); echo""; echo '5 hours ago: ' . date( 'm/d/Y h:i:s', $timestamp - ( $oneHour * 5 )); echo""; echo '7 hours ago: ' . date( 'm/d/Y h:i:s', $timestamp - ( $oneHour * 7 )); echo""; echo '8 hours ago: ' . date( 'm/d/Y h:i:s', $timestamp - ( $oneHour * 8)); -- Jim Lucas "Some men are born to greatness, some achieve greatness, and some have greatness thrust upon them." Twelfth Night, Act II, Scene V by William Shakespeare -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
RE: [PHP] subtracting time from date and time
> This works great tell you get to 8 hours ago > it shows the correct time but it does not change > the date to the day before. 8 hours ago should be > 06/16/2007 11:35:00 but what it shows is 06/17/2007 > 11:35:00 Your code works for me. Though, I had to change the format of $str slightly to get it to work on a windows box. Additionally, I tried the following (which also worked): '; } ?> thnx, Chris -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
RE: [PHP] subtracting time from date and time
> -Original Message-
> From: Chris Boget [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Monday, June 18, 2007 10:55 AM
> To: Brad Bonkoski; Richard Kurth
> Cc: php-general@lists.php.net
> Subject: Re: [PHP] subtracting time from date and time
>
> > Something like this will get it into a time stamp...and
> then you can
> > do your calculations with ease, and reformat...
> > >$str = "20070617T193500";
> >list($date, $time) = explode("T",$str); ?>
>
> Even easier:
>
> $timestamp = strtotime( $str );
> http://us2.php.net/manual/en/function.strtotime.php
>
> $oneMinute = 60; // seconds
> $oneHour= $oneMinute * 60;
> $oneDay = $oneHour * 24;
>
> echo '5 minutes ago: ' . date( 'm/d/Y h:i:s', $timestamp - (
> $oneMinute *
> 5 ));
> echo '5 hours ago: ' . date( 'm/d/Y h:i:s', $timestamp - (
> $oneHour * 5 )); echo '5 days ago: ' . date( 'm/d/Y h:i:s',
> $timestamp - ( $oneDay * 5 ));
This works great tell you get to 8 hours ago it shows the correct time but
it does not change the date to the day before. 8 hours ago should be
06/16/2007 11:35:00 but what it shows is 06/17/2007 11:35:00
$str = "20070617T193500";
$timestamp = strtotime( $str );
$oneMinute = 60; // seconds
$oneHour= $oneMinute * 60;
$oneDay = $oneHour * 24;
echo 'time: ' . date( 'm/d/Y h:i:s', $timestamp );
echo"";
echo '5 minutes ago: ' . date( 'm/d/Y h:i:s', $timestamp - ( $oneMinute *5
));
echo"";
echo '15 minutes ago: ' . date( 'm/d/Y h:i:s', $timestamp - ( $oneMinute *15
));
echo"";
echo '30 minutes ago: ' . date( 'm/d/Y h:i:s', $timestamp - ( $oneMinute *30
));
echo"";
echo '1 hours ago: ' . date( 'm/d/Y h:i:s', $timestamp - ( $oneHour * 1 ));
echo"";
echo '2 hours ago: ' . date( 'm/d/Y h:i:s', $timestamp - ( $oneHour * 2 ));
echo"";
echo '5 hours ago: ' . date( 'm/d/Y h:i:s', $timestamp - ( $oneHour * 5 ));
echo"";
echo '7 hours ago: ' . date( 'm/d/Y h:i:s', $timestamp - ( $oneHour * 7 ));
echo"";
echo '8 hours ago: ' . date( 'm/d/Y h:i:s', $timestamp - ( $oneHour * 8));
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Re: [PHP] Re: php framework, large site
On Tue, 2007-06-19 at 01:39 +0800, Crayon Shin Chan wrote: > On Monday 18 June 2007 04:00, Robert Cummings wrote: > > > Typo... *yawn*. > > Please lookup the real meaning of typo . >From Webster's: an error (as of spelling) in typed or typeset material I misspelled your as you're. Are you suggesting I used "you're" because I don't know the difference? Sorry to disappoint, I often type "you're" instead of "your" and "your" instead of "you're" as I'm typing quickly and not really spending enough time consciously telling my brain which to send to my fingers. > > You knew what was intended. > > Of course. I'm not a computer and can make judgements based on context and > experience. I only brought it up because you seem to delight in > grammatical correctness (whatever that is). I delight as is find amusing at times for fun. Your post lacked the obligatory smiley to indicate humour ;) > > Don't confuse pursuit of happiness and personal satisfaction as hubris. > > As the saying goes, "there's a fine line between personal satisfaction and > egotism". I put that exact phrase (double quoted of course) into Google and turned up the following: Your search - "there's a fine line between personal satisfaction and egotism" - did not match any documents. I'm going to guess you just made it up. > > They are quite different and you can't glean hubris simply from reading > > that someone wants to write their own framework. You are jumping to > > conclusions. > > Of course I'm jumping to conclusions - what I'm hoping is that they are > informed ones. One cannot include every bit of background information > into a mailing list question so the respondents will have to make > assumptions. Jumping to conclusions attempts to bypass logical argument and so rests on a weak foundation. > > I have no problems with the philosophy of free software, but I do have > > issues when someone suggests that we should all follow, like sheep to > > the slaughter, a particular worldview. > > Being different "just because", is not very constructive nor cool - it may > seem so when you're a teenybopper but I'm sure you've outgrown that stage > by now. And just because more than 1 person share the same viewpoint or > common cause does not automagically change them into sheep. Before you go > jumping into conclusions - I'm not against people being different if > their "justification" for being different is anything other than "just > because". Actually, I was suggesting giving thought to any particular worldview before jumping on the bandwagon. I wasn't suggesting being different for the sake of being different. It is important to make informed decisions. > > What you "_would_ like" and what > > you "will get" is entirely up to individual in question. > > That's why I didn't use "I insist". No, but you asserted your opinion with disregard for personal choice by claiming hubris motivates the pursuit of such goals. > > You presume the use of SourceForge to host such a project. > > Well I suppose I could have wrote ""Yet Another Soon To Be Neglected > Sourceforge/Freshmeat/Savannah/BerliOS/etc Project", but I was relying on > the readers' powers of inference to fill in the blanks. As I did and clearly stated below my comment about SourceForge :) > > Popularity hardly constitutes a measurement of quality. > > Again you're jumping to conclusions I never mentioned popularity. However > when a project has not seen any updates for years and is still marked > as "in the planning stages" then I _would_ jump to conclusions and assume > it has been neglected/abandoned/forgotten/etc. I know for fact that popularity doesn't constitute quality - there's no jumping to conclusion there. > > ...they are in no way obligated to do so. If their ideas are bright > > enough then chances are they will attract their own following. > > Just because I may or may not be ranting against something, I'm not > foolish to think that my rantings will obligate anyone to do anything. It's good that you understand that. > > Maybe so, but much science and many breakthroughs are still done by the > > lone inventory/researcher. > > Particularly in the field of astronomy where amateurs are still able to > contribute greatly. However gone are the days when I could conduct high > energy particle physics experiments in my own basement and launch > interplanetary space probes from my own backyard. I guess you mean science like this: http://discovermagazine.com/2007/mar/radioactive-boy-scout The only one placing limits on what you can do is... dun dun dun... YOU! Well maybe the government also, but that's only until you get caught. > > You cannot discount the merit of one > > person's contribution because you think they should have another work > > style/ethic. > > > > > Now going back to the OP: > > > > > > "...can some body help me, how to start php framwork for large > > > site?", in the absence of any other cues, this
Re: [PHP] Re: php framework, large site
discouraging new framework development is like telling the people of the world never to develop a new flavor of linux. we all know its a massive undertaking, but there is merit and purpose in it nonetheless. and you never know a new one could just become the best one. -nathan On 6/18/07, Crayon Shin Chan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: On Tuesday 19 June 2007 00:36, tedd wrote: > What about the wasted time in searching through "billions of > half-baked to fully-baked > frameworks" to find one that works for you? That's really a waste of > time. Well search through the fully-baked frameworks only, and don't create another half-baked one. And are you seriously suggesting that you can create a fairly decent framework from scratch in less time than it takes to evaluate what's out there? -- Crayon -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] subtracting time from date and time
Something like this will get it into a time stamp...and then you can do your calculations with ease, and reformat... Even easier: $timestamp = strtotime( $str ); http://us2.php.net/manual/en/function.strtotime.php $oneMinute = 60; // seconds $oneHour= $oneMinute * 60; $oneDay = $oneHour * 24; echo '5 minutes ago: ' . date( 'm/d/Y h:i:s', $timestamp - ( $oneMinute * 5 )); echo '5 hours ago: ' . date( 'm/d/Y h:i:s', $timestamp - ( $oneHour * 5 )); echo '5 days ago: ' . date( 'm/d/Y h:i:s', $timestamp - ( $oneDay * 5 )); etc., etc., etc. thnx, Chris -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] Re: php framework, large site
On Tuesday 19 June 2007 00:36, tedd wrote: > What about the wasted time in searching through "billions of > half-baked to fully-baked > frameworks" to find one that works for you? That's really a waste of > time. Well search through the fully-baked frameworks only, and don't create another half-baked one. And are you seriously suggesting that you can create a fairly decent framework from scratch in less time than it takes to evaluate what's out there? -- Crayon -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] subtracting time from date and time
Something like this will get it into a time stamp...and then you can do your calculations with ease, and reformat... -Brad Richard Kurth wrote: I am trying to figure out what is the most accurate way to find the time after I subtract 5 min,15 min, 30 min 1 hour 2 hours and 5 hours from a date and time that is formatted like this 20070617T193500 this is the way it has to be formatted to work in a vcalendar -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] Re: php framework, large site
On Monday 18 June 2007 04:00, Robert Cummings wrote: > Typo... *yawn*. Please lookup the real meaning of typo . > You knew what was intended. Of course. I'm not a computer and can make judgements based on context and experience. I only brought it up because you seem to delight in grammatical correctness (whatever that is). > Don't confuse pursuit of happiness and personal satisfaction as hubris. As the saying goes, "there's a fine line between personal satisfaction and egotism". > They are quite different and you can't glean hubris simply from reading > that someone wants to write their own framework. You are jumping to > conclusions. Of course I'm jumping to conclusions - what I'm hoping is that they are informed ones. One cannot include every bit of background information into a mailing list question so the respondents will have to make assumptions. > I have no problems with the philosophy of free software, but I do have > issues when someone suggests that we should all follow, like sheep to > the slaughter, a particular worldview. Being different "just because", is not very constructive nor cool - it may seem so when you're a teenybopper but I'm sure you've outgrown that stage by now. And just because more than 1 person share the same viewpoint or common cause does not automagically change them into sheep. Before you go jumping into conclusions - I'm not against people being different if their "justification" for being different is anything other than "just because". > What you "_would_ like" and what > you "will get" is entirely up to individual in question. That's why I didn't use "I insist". > You presume the use of SourceForge to host such a project. Well I suppose I could have wrote ""Yet Another Soon To Be Neglected Sourceforge/Freshmeat/Savannah/BerliOS/etc Project", but I was relying on the readers' powers of inference to fill in the blanks. > Popularity hardly constitutes a measurement of quality. Again you're jumping to conclusions I never mentioned popularity. However when a project has not seen any updates for years and is still marked as "in the planning stages" then I _would_ jump to conclusions and assume it has been neglected/abandoned/forgotten/etc. > ...they are in no way obligated to do so. If their ideas are bright > enough then chances are they will attract their own following. Just because I may or may not be ranting against something, I'm not foolish to think that my rantings will obligate anyone to do anything. > Maybe so, but much science and many breakthroughs are still done by the > lone inventory/researcher. Particularly in the field of astronomy where amateurs are still able to contribute greatly. However gone are the days when I could conduct high energy particle physics experiments in my own basement and launch interplanetary space probes from my own backyard. > You cannot discount the merit of one > person's contribution because you think they should have another work > style/ethic. > > > Now going back to the OP: > > > > "...can some body help me, how to start php framwork for large > > site?", in the absence of any other cues, this question gives me the > > impression that the questioner is completely clueless (sorry if it > > offends you OP), to which the only sensible response is "to use a > > variety of existing frameworks until you no longer need to ask the > > question". > > Actually from the OP's statement I see that he wants clues on how to > start a FRAMEWORK, not clues on how to start a PROJECT. If he wanted > you to infer another intent he probably would have used another set of > words. And if he did mean PROJECT instead of FRAMEWORK then he should > have stated so since given no other context we can only know what he > has written... all else is conjecture. It's possible I missed something > though, perhaps invisible font text *uhuh uhuh*, and there really is > the word "project" in the OP's post. I'd appreciate you pointing it out > to me. Please point out to me where in the above paragraph (ie starting from the line "Now going back to the OP:") do I mention PROJECT. What kind of nit are you trying to pick? And in other news: >1. gain experience from doing [your own framework] I would wager that a clueless newbie would learn faster and more about frameworks by _using_ and _studying_ other mature frameworks. Because, to re-iterate and paraphrase what I said earlier, the very fact that the OP had to ask "how to start my own framework" means that the OP really hadn't thought things through and did not do any feasibility studies etc. In any case a mailing list is not the best place to answer such an open ended question, especially if the best contributions that *you* can come up with is "yes, it's fun to make your own framework" and > Yep, fly like a chicken. -- Crayon -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
[PHP] subtracting time from date and time
I am trying to figure out what is the most accurate way to find the time after I subtract 5 min,15 min, 30 min 1 hour 2 hours and 5 hours from a date and time that is formatted like this 20070617T193500 this is the way it has to be formatted to work in a vcalendar
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RE: [PHP] Re: php framework, large site
On Monday 18 June 2007 00:12, Robert Cummings wrote: > Good reasons to write your own: It's an extremely inefficient use of precious time. Inventing the wheel over and over. Surely out of the billions of half-baked to fully-baked frameworks out there must be something suitable for everyone. How far would you take it? Write your own PHP, why not write your own OS, heck build your own computer while you're at it :) -- Crayon What about the wasted time in searching through "billions of half-baked to fully-baked frameworks" to find one that works for you? That's really a waste of time. Additionally, you said: heck build your own computer while you're at it :) Yeah, like this world need another Apple. :-) Cheers, tedd -- --- http://sperling.com http://ancientstones.com http://earthstones.com -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] Edinburgh, Scotland: PHP Developer Position
On Mon, 2007-06-18 at 17:52 +0200, Jochem Maas wrote: > Robert Cummings wrote: > > On Mon, 2007-06-18 at 17:24 +0200, Jochem Maas wrote: > >> Daniel Brown wrote: > >>> On 6/18/07, Robert Cummings <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> > >> > >>>Keep in mind, though, that a good part of the time here in the > >>> United States, employment is gained by knowing someone (not > >>> necessarily political, but someone may ask, "hey, do you know anyone > >>> who knows how to "). That's actually how I got the job that I'm > >>> in, and my degree was in Criminal Justice back in the nineties. I > >>> never got a computer science degree, nor do I think I ever plan on > >>> getting one. > >> > >> > >> which explains why 90% of wallstreet-broker/CEO types that I've met > >> (you know six figure salaries and 7 figure bonuses) are thick as pigshit. > > > > And why exactly were you hanging around the pig sty? (perchance you were > > looking for the sheep pen and lost your way? ;) ;) > > > > Ba d Jochem! > > not sure what the reference to sheep is about, but lets just say I was > born in the sty. Animal Farm anyone? Ooooh, just the usual sheep reference :) Cheers, Rob. -- .. | InterJinn Application Framework - http://www.interjinn.com | :: | An application and templating framework for PHP. Boasting | | a powerful, scalable system for accessing system services | | such as forms, properties, sessions, and caches. InterJinn | | also provides an extremely flexible architecture for | | creating re-usable components quickly and easily. | `' -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] Edinburgh, Scotland: PHP Developer Position
Robert Cummings wrote: > On Mon, 2007-06-18 at 17:24 +0200, Jochem Maas wrote: >> Daniel Brown wrote: >>> On 6/18/07, Robert Cummings <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> >> >>>Keep in mind, though, that a good part of the time here in the >>> United States, employment is gained by knowing someone (not >>> necessarily political, but someone may ask, "hey, do you know anyone >>> who knows how to "). That's actually how I got the job that I'm >>> in, and my degree was in Criminal Justice back in the nineties. I >>> never got a computer science degree, nor do I think I ever plan on >>> getting one. >> >> >> which explains why 90% of wallstreet-broker/CEO types that I've met >> (you know six figure salaries and 7 figure bonuses) are thick as pigshit. > > And why exactly were you hanging around the pig sty? (perchance you were > looking for the sheep pen and lost your way? ;) ;) > > Ba d Jochem! not sure what the reference to sheep is about, but lets just say I was born in the sty. Animal Farm anyone? > > Cheers, > Rob. -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] Re: [BULK] Re: [PHP] OK to have many files in one folder?
On Mon, 2007-06-18 at 08:41 -0700, Jim Lucas wrote: > Daniel Brown wrote: > > On 6/18/07, Tijnema <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> On 6/18/07, Daniel Brown <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> > On 6/18/07, Tijnema <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> > > On 6/18/07, Daniel Brown <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> > > > On 6/18/07, Colin Guthrie <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> > > > > clive wrote: > >> > > > > >> > >> > > > > >> I have no clue how big the files are, but you might want to > >> store them > >> > > > > >> in a database. That can speed up things, but don't ask me > >> how much ;) > >> > > > > >> > >> > > > > >> Tijnema > >> > > > > >> > >> > > > > > no dude, while database are convenient, files systems are > >> faster, I mean > >> > > > > > thats what they were designed for, serving files. > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > For lots of files I would store them in directories and sub > >> directories. > >> > > > > > >> > > > > Yeah amen! > >> > > > > > >> > > > > I generally use a two character hex hash in my main folder to > >> give 255 > >> > > > > sub folders each containing files. > >> > > > > > >> > > > > In my case the hash is calculated from some known info - e.g. > >> a database > >> > > > > ID and then stored in a meta data table. > >> > > > > > >> > > > > Col > >> > > > > > >> > > > > -- > >> > > > > PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) > >> > > > > To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > >> > > >Tij, > >> > > > > >> > > >Referring to one of my earlier posts in this thread, as a > >> > > > refresher, database information is stored in files. So to store > >> files > >> > > > in a database means the following has to take place: > >> > > > > >> > > >1.) Data is uploaded to the server. > >> > > >2.) Data is processed by the database server. > >> > > >3.) Data is compressed and encrypted. > >> > > >4.) Data is written to disk. > >> > > >(4b. - optional) Data file is checked for integrity and > >> > > > correctness of write. > >> > > > > >> > > >Then, to serve the content, a similar reverse occurs: > >> > > > > >> > > >1.) Request is sent to the server via a script. > >> > > >2.) The script interfaces with the database to locate the > >> > > > desired data row. > >> > > >3.) Once located, the data is pulled in raw form from the > >> database file. > >> > > >4.) The data is then decompressed and decrypted. > >> > > >5.) The data is streamed back to the script. > >> > > >6.) The script decides how to handle it, based upon > >> hard-coded options. > >> > > > > >> > > >For a filesystem, it's simpler. Uploading: > >> > > > > >> > > >1.) Data is uploaded. > >> > > >2.) Data is written to disk. > >> > > > > >> > > >Serving: > >> > > > > >> > > >1.) Request is sent via script, FTP, socket connection, or > >> > > > local request. > >> > > >2.) File is served through via the method requested. > >> > > > > >> > > >So there are several pros and cons for each, but just to list > >> > > > three of each with regard to database storage: > >> > > > > >> > > >Pros: > >> > > >Can be stored centralized and portable, without needing > >> to archive. > >> > > >Automatically encrypted and compressed upon storage. > >> > > >Easier and faster to search. > >> > > >Cons: > >> > > >Slower storage and retrieval > >> > > >Much greater risk of corruption > >> > > >Not always cross-compatible across platforms, versions, > >> > > > installations, etc. > >> > > > > >> > > > -- > >> > > > Daniel P. Brown > >> > > > >> > > How sure are you about all this? > >> > > Benchmarks? > >> > > > >> > > What about search time for the harddrives etc? It needs to scan the > >> > > inode table to find the file, etc.., then it needs to locate that > >> file > >> > > on the harddrive, while the second file might be on the other side of > >> > > the disk > >> > > > >> > > Storing all files in one single filesystem means you have only 1 > >> inode > >> > > :) All data is stored at same place (atleast, it should be) > >> > > > >> > > Tijnema > >> > > > >> > > >> >Do I have benchmarks? No. Do I have the time to do them now? No. > >> > > >> >Do I feel confident enough that if you were to run those benchmark > >> > tests that it would prove me right? Damn straight. ;-P > >> > > >> > -- > >> > Daniel P. Brown > >> > >> I think I have some time to write a simple script in a few hours, I'd > >> like to see what the performance difference is :) > >> > >> Tijnema > >> > > > >Well, keep in mind that I don't expect that you'd see much > > difference at all with a single file, but try doing multiple files of > > ASCII and binary, various sizes, and also several simultaneous > > connections. > > > >Two other things I forgot to mention with database storage are a > > pro an
[PHP] Re: Edinburgh, Scotland: PHP Developer Position
Robert Cummings wrote: > Things I learned to do while obtaining my B.C.S. degree: > ... ... snip of lots of interesting/funny stuff ... > For me going to university was a little bit about getting a piece of > paper and a lot about having fun and meeting people (I met my wife > there). One thing that I think is helpful about university is that it > brings a lot of smaller pieces of the greater picture together in a > useful and cohesive manner. That was an exceptionally well written and well thought out response. It was very funny but also quite correct if my own recollections (hazy as they are) are anything to go by! All universities are part of the university of life after all ;) Col -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] Re: [BULK] Re: [PHP] OK to have many files in one folder?
Daniel Brown wrote: On 6/18/07, Tijnema <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: On 6/18/07, Daniel Brown <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On 6/18/07, Tijnema <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > On 6/18/07, Daniel Brown <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > On 6/18/07, Colin Guthrie <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > clive wrote: > > > > >> > > > > >> I have no clue how big the files are, but you might want to store them > > > > >> in a database. That can speed up things, but don't ask me how much ;) > > > > >> > > > > >> Tijnema > > > > >> > > > > > no dude, while database are convenient, files systems are faster, I mean > > > > > thats what they were designed for, serving files. > > > > > > > > > > For lots of files I would store them in directories and sub directories. > > > > > > > > Yeah amen! > > > > > > > > I generally use a two character hex hash in my main folder to give 255 > > > > sub folders each containing files. > > > > > > > > In my case the hash is calculated from some known info - e.g. a database > > > > ID and then stored in a meta data table. > > > > > > > > Col > > > > > > > > -- > > > > PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) > > > > To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Tij, > > > > > >Referring to one of my earlier posts in this thread, as a > > > refresher, database information is stored in files. So to store files > > > in a database means the following has to take place: > > > > > >1.) Data is uploaded to the server. > > >2.) Data is processed by the database server. > > >3.) Data is compressed and encrypted. > > >4.) Data is written to disk. > > >(4b. - optional) Data file is checked for integrity and > > > correctness of write. > > > > > >Then, to serve the content, a similar reverse occurs: > > > > > >1.) Request is sent to the server via a script. > > >2.) The script interfaces with the database to locate the > > > desired data row. > > >3.) Once located, the data is pulled in raw form from the database file. > > >4.) The data is then decompressed and decrypted. > > >5.) The data is streamed back to the script. > > >6.) The script decides how to handle it, based upon hard-coded options. > > > > > >For a filesystem, it's simpler. Uploading: > > > > > >1.) Data is uploaded. > > >2.) Data is written to disk. > > > > > >Serving: > > > > > >1.) Request is sent via script, FTP, socket connection, or > > > local request. > > >2.) File is served through via the method requested. > > > > > >So there are several pros and cons for each, but just to list > > > three of each with regard to database storage: > > > > > >Pros: > > >Can be stored centralized and portable, without needing to archive. > > >Automatically encrypted and compressed upon storage. > > >Easier and faster to search. > > >Cons: > > >Slower storage and retrieval > > >Much greater risk of corruption > > >Not always cross-compatible across platforms, versions, > > > installations, etc. > > > > > > -- > > > Daniel P. Brown > > > > How sure are you about all this? > > Benchmarks? > > > > What about search time for the harddrives etc? It needs to scan the > > inode table to find the file, etc.., then it needs to locate that file > > on the harddrive, while the second file might be on the other side of > > the disk > > > > Storing all files in one single filesystem means you have only 1 inode > > :) All data is stored at same place (atleast, it should be) > > > > Tijnema > > > >Do I have benchmarks? No. Do I have the time to do them now? No. > >Do I feel confident enough that if you were to run those benchmark > tests that it would prove me right? Damn straight. ;-P > > -- > Daniel P. Brown I think I have some time to write a simple script in a few hours, I'd like to see what the performance difference is :) Tijnema Well, keep in mind that I don't expect that you'd see much difference at all with a single file, but try doing multiple files of ASCII and binary, various sizes, and also several simultaneous connections. Two other things I forgot to mention with database storage are a pro and con, respectively - caching and accessibility. and the fact that a lot of hosting environments have a DB on a different machine. This would make for a much worse performance then the local filesystem. -- Jim Lucas "Some men are born to greatness, some achieve greatness, and some have greatness thrust upon them." Twelfth Night, Act II, Scene V by William Shakespeare -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] Re: [BULK] Re: [PHP] OK to have many files in one folder?
On Mon, 2007-06-18 at 11:25 -0400, Daniel Brown wrote: > On 6/18/07, Tijnema <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > On 6/18/07, Daniel Brown <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > >Referring to one of my earlier posts in this thread, as a > > > > > refresher, database information is stored in files. So to store files > > > > > in a database means the following has to take place: > > > > > > > > > >1.) Data is uploaded to the server. > > > > >2.) Data is processed by the database server. > > > > >3.) Data is compressed and encrypted. > > > > >4.) Data is written to disk. > > > > >(4b. - optional) Data file is checked for integrity and > > > > > correctness of write. > > > > > > > > > >Then, to serve the content, a similar reverse occurs: > > > > > > > > > >1.) Request is sent to the server via a script. > > > > >2.) The script interfaces with the database to locate the > > > > > desired data row. > > > > >3.) Once located, the data is pulled in raw form from the > > > > > database file. > > > > >4.) The data is then decompressed and decrypted. > > > > >5.) The data is streamed back to the script. > > > > >6.) The script decides how to handle it, based upon hard-coded > > > > > options. > > > > > > > > > >For a filesystem, it's simpler. Uploading: > > > > > > > > > >1.) Data is uploaded. > > > > >2.) Data is written to disk. This isn't quite correct. There are numerous databases that allow you to assign a raw partition and they manage the filesystem themselves thus the intermediate OS dependence is eliminated. As such, the database probably wins in this situation since you also get rapid searching on any meta data fields and since you probably have to issue a query anyways (for either approach), this approach is superior since you no longer need to interact with the filesystem at all. The only negative is that writing to the database will be less efficient due to escaping of the data. But reading will be much faster. And in practice, I'd wager, it's rare that images are created more often than read. Cheers, Rob. -- .. | InterJinn Application Framework - http://www.interjinn.com | :: | An application and templating framework for PHP. Boasting | | a powerful, scalable system for accessing system services | | such as forms, properties, sessions, and caches. InterJinn | | also provides an extremely flexible architecture for | | creating re-usable components quickly and easily. | `' -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] Edinburgh, Scotland: PHP Developer Position
On 6/18/07, Jochem Maas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Tijnema wrote: > On 6/18/07, Brad Bonkoski <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: ... >> >> Edward > > Yes, but if you pay $10K for you study, and you get $1K extra each > year, you need to work 10 years to get your money back, and I didn't > even count the costs of your valuable time... Tijnema your showing your age - the calculation you give is, to put it politely, naive. stick to what you know until such time as you've paid for and dealt with one or more of the following out of your pocket: huur/hypotheek ziektenkostenverzekering inkostenbelasting alimentatie een tas vol boodschapen een brommer jou eigen schoenen sorry kid, I couldn't resist. ;-) > > Tijnema > -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php Een prostituee van wat u een ziekte zult krijgen die heeft geen naam. -- Daniel P. Brown [office] (570-) 587-7080 Ext. 272 [mobile] (570-) 766-8107 -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] Edinburgh, Scotland: PHP Developer Position
On Mon, 2007-06-18 at 17:24 +0200, Jochem Maas wrote: > Daniel Brown wrote: > > On 6/18/07, Robert Cummings <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > >> > > > >Keep in mind, though, that a good part of the time here in the > > United States, employment is gained by knowing someone (not > > necessarily political, but someone may ask, "hey, do you know anyone > > who knows how to "). That's actually how I got the job that I'm > > in, and my degree was in Criminal Justice back in the nineties. I > > never got a computer science degree, nor do I think I ever plan on > > getting one. > > > > which explains why 90% of wallstreet-broker/CEO types that I've met > (you know six figure salaries and 7 figure bonuses) are thick as pigshit. And why exactly were you hanging around the pig sty? (perchance you were looking for the sheep pen and lost your way? ;) ;) Ba d Jochem! Cheers, Rob. -- .. | InterJinn Application Framework - http://www.interjinn.com | :: | An application and templating framework for PHP. Boasting | | a powerful, scalable system for accessing system services | | such as forms, properties, sessions, and caches. InterJinn | | also provides an extremely flexible architecture for | | creating re-usable components quickly and easily. | `' -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] Edinburgh, Scotland: PHP Developer Position
Robert Cummings wrote: ... > > Cheers, > Rob. great story Robert (look spelt it correctly that time ;-)) - made my day! -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] Edinburgh, Scotland: PHP Developer Position
Daniel Brown wrote: > On 6/18/07, Tijnema <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> On 6/18/07, Daniel Brown <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> > On 6/18/07, Tijnema <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> > > Yes, but if you pay $10K for you study, and you get $1K extra each >> > > year, you need to work 10 years to get your money back, and I didn't >> > > even count the costs of your valuable time... >> > > >> > >> >Ten thousand dollars for a college degree? Where the hell is >> that school?!? >> > >> >When I was in college, I paid more than that per year, and it >> > wasn't even /that/ good of a school! >> > >> > -- >> > Daniel P. Brown >> >> Well, here in the Netherlands, I'm not totally sure about the prices >> but in € it's about the price we pay... >> Government pays the rest.. :) >> IIRC, it was €2.5K for the college itself, and €1K for studying books >> each year, well, nearly all studies are four year here, so that means >> about €14K total. >> Close to €10k ;), but let me correct it, it's nearly $19K. >> So that means working 19 years :P, or get $2K extra each year :) >> >> Tijnema >> > >Here, you either have to be destitute, a minority, have done > something extremely beneficial to humanity, know someone in political > power, win a lottery, or serve at least one full tour in the armed > services to get free money from the government for school. They'll > gladly give you loans, though at 14-19% APR or higher. we have a more social system in holland - although the figures Tijnema is quoting are crap unless you assume that mummy and daddy pay for just about everything but the actual book and study fees. I know one guy that has 90,000 euro debt from medical school - admittedly he's taken 7-9 years (he had a stopyear I believe) but nonetheless you get the point (especially if you know that the guy also had various parttime jobs during that time) > -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] Re: [BULK] Re: [PHP] OK to have many files in one folder?
On 6/18/07, Tijnema <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: On 6/18/07, Daniel Brown <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On 6/18/07, Tijnema <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > On 6/18/07, Daniel Brown <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > On 6/18/07, Colin Guthrie <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > clive wrote: > > > > >> > > > > >> I have no clue how big the files are, but you might want to store them > > > > >> in a database. That can speed up things, but don't ask me how much ;) > > > > >> > > > > >> Tijnema > > > > >> > > > > > no dude, while database are convenient, files systems are faster, I mean > > > > > thats what they were designed for, serving files. > > > > > > > > > > For lots of files I would store them in directories and sub directories. > > > > > > > > Yeah amen! > > > > > > > > I generally use a two character hex hash in my main folder to give 255 > > > > sub folders each containing files. > > > > > > > > In my case the hash is calculated from some known info - e.g. a database > > > > ID and then stored in a meta data table. > > > > > > > > Col > > > > > > > > -- > > > > PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) > > > > To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Tij, > > > > > >Referring to one of my earlier posts in this thread, as a > > > refresher, database information is stored in files. So to store files > > > in a database means the following has to take place: > > > > > >1.) Data is uploaded to the server. > > >2.) Data is processed by the database server. > > >3.) Data is compressed and encrypted. > > >4.) Data is written to disk. > > >(4b. - optional) Data file is checked for integrity and > > > correctness of write. > > > > > >Then, to serve the content, a similar reverse occurs: > > > > > >1.) Request is sent to the server via a script. > > >2.) The script interfaces with the database to locate the > > > desired data row. > > >3.) Once located, the data is pulled in raw form from the database file. > > >4.) The data is then decompressed and decrypted. > > >5.) The data is streamed back to the script. > > >6.) The script decides how to handle it, based upon hard-coded options. > > > > > >For a filesystem, it's simpler. Uploading: > > > > > >1.) Data is uploaded. > > >2.) Data is written to disk. > > > > > >Serving: > > > > > >1.) Request is sent via script, FTP, socket connection, or > > > local request. > > >2.) File is served through via the method requested. > > > > > >So there are several pros and cons for each, but just to list > > > three of each with regard to database storage: > > > > > >Pros: > > >Can be stored centralized and portable, without needing to archive. > > >Automatically encrypted and compressed upon storage. > > >Easier and faster to search. > > >Cons: > > >Slower storage and retrieval > > >Much greater risk of corruption > > >Not always cross-compatible across platforms, versions, > > > installations, etc. > > > > > > -- > > > Daniel P. Brown > > > > How sure are you about all this? > > Benchmarks? > > > > What about search time for the harddrives etc? It needs to scan the > > inode table to find the file, etc.., then it needs to locate that file > > on the harddrive, while the second file might be on the other side of > > the disk > > > > Storing all files in one single filesystem means you have only 1 inode > > :) All data is stored at same place (atleast, it should be) > > > > Tijnema > > > >Do I have benchmarks? No. Do I have the time to do them now? No. > >Do I feel confident enough that if you were to run those benchmark > tests that it would prove me right? Damn straight. ;-P > > -- > Daniel P. Brown I think I have some time to write a simple script in a few hours, I'd like to see what the performance difference is :) Tijnema Well, keep in mind that I don't expect that you'd see much difference at all with a single file, but try doing multiple files of ASCII and binary, various sizes, and also several simultaneous connections. Two other things I forgot to mention with database storage are a pro and con, respectively - caching and accessibility. -- Daniel P. Brown [office] (570-) 587-7080 Ext. 272 [mobile] (570-) 766-8107 -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] Re: Edinburgh, Scotland: PHP Developer Position
On Mon, 2007-06-18 at 15:18 +0100, Colin Guthrie wrote: > so another key thing I'd personally like > to see is the commitment to the cause! If someone comes on board for 6 > months this is not ideal, but if they stick around for 2 years+ then > this is perfect! This is always hard to judge for everyone tho' as > people (and companies) change. Unless of course they suck and you can't get rid of them and they linger forever... it happens *hehe*. Cheers, Rob. -- .. | InterJinn Application Framework - http://www.interjinn.com | :: | An application and templating framework for PHP. Boasting | | a powerful, scalable system for accessing system services | | such as forms, properties, sessions, and caches. InterJinn | | also provides an extremely flexible architecture for | | creating re-usable components quickly and easily. | `' -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] Edinburgh, Scotland: PHP Developer Position
Daniel Brown wrote: > On 6/18/07, Robert Cummings <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> > >Keep in mind, though, that a good part of the time here in the > United States, employment is gained by knowing someone (not > necessarily political, but someone may ask, "hey, do you know anyone > who knows how to "). That's actually how I got the job that I'm > in, and my degree was in Criminal Justice back in the nineties. I > never got a computer science degree, nor do I think I ever plan on > getting one. which explains why 90% of wallstreet-broker/CEO types that I've met (you know six figure salaries and 7 figure bonuses) are thick as pigshit. > -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] Edinburgh, Scotland: PHP Developer Position
Tijnema wrote: > On 6/18/07, Brad Bonkoski <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: ... >> >> Edward > > Yes, but if you pay $10K for you study, and you get $1K extra each > year, you need to work 10 years to get your money back, and I didn't > even count the costs of your valuable time... Tijnema your showing your age - the calculation you give is, to put it politely, naive. stick to what you know until such time as you've paid for and dealt with one or more of the following out of your pocket: huur/hypotheek ziektenkostenverzekering inkostenbelasting alimentatie een tas vol boodschapen een brommer jou eigen schoenen sorry kid, I couldn't resist. ;-) > > Tijnema > -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] Re: [BULK] Re: [PHP] OK to have many files in one folder?
On 6/18/07, Daniel Brown <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: On 6/18/07, Tijnema <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On 6/18/07, Daniel Brown <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > On 6/18/07, Colin Guthrie <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > clive wrote: > > > >> > > > >> I have no clue how big the files are, but you might want to store them > > > >> in a database. That can speed up things, but don't ask me how much ;) > > > >> > > > >> Tijnema > > > >> > > > > no dude, while database are convenient, files systems are faster, I mean > > > > thats what they were designed for, serving files. > > > > > > > > For lots of files I would store them in directories and sub directories. > > > > > > Yeah amen! > > > > > > I generally use a two character hex hash in my main folder to give 255 > > > sub folders each containing files. > > > > > > In my case the hash is calculated from some known info - e.g. a database > > > ID and then stored in a meta data table. > > > > > > Col > > > > > > -- > > > PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) > > > To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php > > > > > > > > > >Tij, > > > >Referring to one of my earlier posts in this thread, as a > > refresher, database information is stored in files. So to store files > > in a database means the following has to take place: > > > >1.) Data is uploaded to the server. > >2.) Data is processed by the database server. > >3.) Data is compressed and encrypted. > >4.) Data is written to disk. > >(4b. - optional) Data file is checked for integrity and > > correctness of write. > > > >Then, to serve the content, a similar reverse occurs: > > > >1.) Request is sent to the server via a script. > >2.) The script interfaces with the database to locate the > > desired data row. > >3.) Once located, the data is pulled in raw form from the database file. > >4.) The data is then decompressed and decrypted. > >5.) The data is streamed back to the script. > >6.) The script decides how to handle it, based upon hard-coded options. > > > >For a filesystem, it's simpler. Uploading: > > > >1.) Data is uploaded. > >2.) Data is written to disk. > > > >Serving: > > > >1.) Request is sent via script, FTP, socket connection, or > > local request. > >2.) File is served through via the method requested. > > > >So there are several pros and cons for each, but just to list > > three of each with regard to database storage: > > > >Pros: > >Can be stored centralized and portable, without needing to archive. > >Automatically encrypted and compressed upon storage. > >Easier and faster to search. > >Cons: > >Slower storage and retrieval > >Much greater risk of corruption > >Not always cross-compatible across platforms, versions, > > installations, etc. > > > > -- > > Daniel P. Brown > > How sure are you about all this? > Benchmarks? > > What about search time for the harddrives etc? It needs to scan the > inode table to find the file, etc.., then it needs to locate that file > on the harddrive, while the second file might be on the other side of > the disk > > Storing all files in one single filesystem means you have only 1 inode > :) All data is stored at same place (atleast, it should be) > > Tijnema > Do I have benchmarks? No. Do I have the time to do them now? No. Do I feel confident enough that if you were to run those benchmark tests that it would prove me right? Damn straight. ;-P -- Daniel P. Brown I think I have some time to write a simple script in a few hours, I'd like to see what the performance difference is :) Tijnema -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] Re: [BULK] Re: [PHP] OK to have many files in one folder?
On 6/18/07, Tijnema <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: On 6/18/07, Daniel Brown <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On 6/18/07, Colin Guthrie <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > clive wrote: > > >> > > >> I have no clue how big the files are, but you might want to store them > > >> in a database. That can speed up things, but don't ask me how much ;) > > >> > > >> Tijnema > > >> > > > no dude, while database are convenient, files systems are faster, I mean > > > thats what they were designed for, serving files. > > > > > > For lots of files I would store them in directories and sub directories. > > > > Yeah amen! > > > > I generally use a two character hex hash in my main folder to give 255 > > sub folders each containing files. > > > > In my case the hash is calculated from some known info - e.g. a database > > ID and then stored in a meta data table. > > > > Col > > > > -- > > PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) > > To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php > > > > > >Tij, > >Referring to one of my earlier posts in this thread, as a > refresher, database information is stored in files. So to store files > in a database means the following has to take place: > >1.) Data is uploaded to the server. >2.) Data is processed by the database server. >3.) Data is compressed and encrypted. >4.) Data is written to disk. >(4b. - optional) Data file is checked for integrity and > correctness of write. > >Then, to serve the content, a similar reverse occurs: > >1.) Request is sent to the server via a script. >2.) The script interfaces with the database to locate the > desired data row. >3.) Once located, the data is pulled in raw form from the database file. >4.) The data is then decompressed and decrypted. >5.) The data is streamed back to the script. >6.) The script decides how to handle it, based upon hard-coded options. > >For a filesystem, it's simpler. Uploading: > >1.) Data is uploaded. >2.) Data is written to disk. > >Serving: > >1.) Request is sent via script, FTP, socket connection, or > local request. >2.) File is served through via the method requested. > >So there are several pros and cons for each, but just to list > three of each with regard to database storage: > >Pros: >Can be stored centralized and portable, without needing to archive. >Automatically encrypted and compressed upon storage. >Easier and faster to search. >Cons: >Slower storage and retrieval >Much greater risk of corruption >Not always cross-compatible across platforms, versions, > installations, etc. > > -- > Daniel P. Brown How sure are you about all this? Benchmarks? What about search time for the harddrives etc? It needs to scan the inode table to find the file, etc.., then it needs to locate that file on the harddrive, while the second file might be on the other side of the disk Storing all files in one single filesystem means you have only 1 inode :) All data is stored at same place (atleast, it should be) Tijnema Do I have benchmarks? No. Do I have the time to do them now? No. Do I feel confident enough that if you were to run those benchmark tests that it would prove me right? Damn straight. ;-P -- Daniel P. Brown [office] (570-) 587-7080 Ext. 272 [mobile] (570-) 766-8107 -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
[PHP] Re: Edinburgh, Scotland: PHP Developer Position
Jochem Maas wrote: > Edward Kay wrote: > > ... > >> But the advert is for a GRADUATE developer ;) Whilst your messages to this >> list show you know a lot about PHP, I doubt you've managed to fit a degree >> in yet :) > > What does a graduate php developer earn in Scotland? and is it > the the piece of paper that's important or is it a reference to the > general skill level (personally I don't see much direct corellation > between academic capabilities and practical coding/sysadmin skill). > > just thinking out loud guys :-) Yeah I know what you mean. The bit of paper isn't really all that important, but it's the pool of people where you are most likely to get good candidates. I certainly wouldn't turn someone away if their skill set looked good but they didn't have a degree. Coding ability is obviously important but as it's a small company, fitting in with the ethos and ethics of small companies is equally important (if not more so). If I'm being honest I never finished my final year at Uni because I was off starting my own company. I did get a bit of paper but it wasn't as fancy as the one I'd have gotten if I'd finished that last year! One thing that is important is that hiring someone is expensive. Not necessarily in terms of $$$ but in terms of time and integrating new people into the team, learning the processes and such (it all boils down to $$$ in the end of course!), so another key thing I'd personally like to see is the commitment to the cause! If someone comes on board for 6 months this is not ideal, but if they stick around for 2 years+ then this is perfect! This is always hard to judge for everyone tho' as people (and companies) change. Col -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] Edinburgh, Scotland: PHP Developer Position
On 6/18/07, Tijnema <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: On 6/18/07, Daniel Brown <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On 6/18/07, Tijnema <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Yes, but if you pay $10K for you study, and you get $1K extra each > > year, you need to work 10 years to get your money back, and I didn't > > even count the costs of your valuable time... > > > >Ten thousand dollars for a college degree? Where the hell is that school?!? > >When I was in college, I paid more than that per year, and it > wasn't even /that/ good of a school! > > -- > Daniel P. Brown Well, here in the Netherlands, I'm not totally sure about the prices but in € it's about the price we pay... Government pays the rest.. :) IIRC, it was €2.5K for the college itself, and €1K for studying books each year, well, nearly all studies are four year here, so that means about €14K total. Close to €10k ;), but let me correct it, it's nearly $19K. So that means working 19 years :P, or get $2K extra each year :) Tijnema Here, you either have to be destitute, a minority, have done something extremely beneficial to humanity, know someone in political power, win a lottery, or serve at least one full tour in the armed services to get free money from the government for school. They'll gladly give you loans, though at 14-19% APR or higher. -- Daniel P. Brown [office] (570-) 587-7080 Ext. 272 [mobile] (570-) 766-8107 -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] Re: [BULK] Re: [PHP] OK to have many files in one folder?
On 6/18/07, Daniel Brown <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: On 6/18/07, Colin Guthrie <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > clive wrote: > >> > >> I have no clue how big the files are, but you might want to store them > >> in a database. That can speed up things, but don't ask me how much ;) > >> > >> Tijnema > >> > > no dude, while database are convenient, files systems are faster, I mean > > thats what they were designed for, serving files. > > > > For lots of files I would store them in directories and sub directories. > > Yeah amen! > > I generally use a two character hex hash in my main folder to give 255 > sub folders each containing files. > > In my case the hash is calculated from some known info - e.g. a database > ID and then stored in a meta data table. > > Col > > -- > PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) > To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php > > Tij, Referring to one of my earlier posts in this thread, as a refresher, database information is stored in files. So to store files in a database means the following has to take place: 1.) Data is uploaded to the server. 2.) Data is processed by the database server. 3.) Data is compressed and encrypted. 4.) Data is written to disk. (4b. - optional) Data file is checked for integrity and correctness of write. Then, to serve the content, a similar reverse occurs: 1.) Request is sent to the server via a script. 2.) The script interfaces with the database to locate the desired data row. 3.) Once located, the data is pulled in raw form from the database file. 4.) The data is then decompressed and decrypted. 5.) The data is streamed back to the script. 6.) The script decides how to handle it, based upon hard-coded options. For a filesystem, it's simpler. Uploading: 1.) Data is uploaded. 2.) Data is written to disk. Serving: 1.) Request is sent via script, FTP, socket connection, or local request. 2.) File is served through via the method requested. So there are several pros and cons for each, but just to list three of each with regard to database storage: Pros: Can be stored centralized and portable, without needing to archive. Automatically encrypted and compressed upon storage. Easier and faster to search. Cons: Slower storage and retrieval Much greater risk of corruption Not always cross-compatible across platforms, versions, installations, etc. -- Daniel P. Brown How sure are you about all this? Benchmarks? What about search time for the harddrives etc? It needs to scan the inode table to find the file, etc.., then it needs to locate that file on the harddrive, while the second file might be on the other side of the disk Storing all files in one single filesystem means you have only 1 inode :) All data is stored at same place (atleast, it should be) Tijnema -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] Edinburgh, Scotland: PHP Developer Position
On 6/18/07, Daniel Brown <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: On 6/18/07, Tijnema <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Yes, but if you pay $10K for you study, and you get $1K extra each > year, you need to work 10 years to get your money back, and I didn't > even count the costs of your valuable time... > Ten thousand dollars for a college degree? Where the hell is that school?!? When I was in college, I paid more than that per year, and it wasn't even /that/ good of a school! -- Daniel P. Brown Well, here in the Netherlands, I'm not totally sure about the prices but in € it's about the price we pay... Government pays the rest.. :) IIRC, it was €2.5K for the college itself, and €1K for studying books each year, well, nearly all studies are four year here, so that means about €14K total. Close to €10k ;), but let me correct it, it's nearly $19K. So that means working 19 years :P, or get $2K extra each year :) Tijnema -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] Unable to use exec() in php
On 6/18/07, MIKE YRABEDRA <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Is there a special way to allow only a specific user to execute the
system_exec() and exec() calls?
on 6/18/07 10:31 AM, Daniel Brown at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> On 6/18/07, Crayon Shin Chan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> On Monday 18 June 2007 13:15, makhan wrote:
>>
>> Stop top posting.
>>
>>> I am also using shell_exec('matlab -r myscript') to run
>>> my matlab script.
>>
>> Using shell_exec('matlab -r /path/to/myscript') would be a better idea.
>>
>> --
>> Crayon
>>
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> exec('date 2>&1',$ret);
> echo $ret."\n";
> ?>
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Mike,
This is technically thread hijacking. You'll get a better
response (and less flames) if you start your own thread.
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Re: [PHP] Unable to use exec() in php
On 6/18/07, Tijnema <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
On 6/18/07, Daniel Brown <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On 6/18/07, Crayon Shin Chan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > On Monday 18 June 2007 13:15, makhan wrote:
> >
> > Stop top posting.
> >
> > > I am also using shell_exec('matlab -r myscript') to run
> > > my matlab script.
> >
> > Using shell_exec('matlab -r /path/to/myscript') would be a better idea.
> >
> > --
> > Crayon
> >
> > --
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> >
>
> exec('date 2>&1',$ret);
>echo $ret."\n";
> ?>
>
> --
> Daniel P. Brown
He's on windows ;)
Tijnema
/me smacks head.
"Doy!"
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Re: [PHP] Edinburgh, Scotland: PHP Developer Position
On 6/18/07, Tijnema <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Yes, but if you pay $10K for you study, and you get $1K extra each year, you need to work 10 years to get your money back, and I didn't even count the costs of your valuable time... Ten thousand dollars for a college degree? Where the hell is that school?!? When I was in college, I paid more than that per year, and it wasn't even /that/ good of a school! -- Daniel P. Brown [office] (570-) 587-7080 Ext. 272 [mobile] (570-) 766-8107 -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] Edinburgh, Scotland: PHP Developer Position
On 6/18/07, Robert Cummings <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: On Mon, 2007-06-18 at 10:40 -0400, Robert Cummings wrote: > On Mon, 2007-06-18 at 16:22 +0200, Tijnema wrote: > > On 6/18/07, Brad Bonkoski <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > Jochem Maas wrote: > > > > Edward Kay wrote: > > > > > > > > ... > > > > > > > > > > > >> But the advert is for a GRADUATE developer ;) Whilst your messages to this > > > >> list show you know a lot about PHP, I doubt you've managed to fit a degree > > > >> in yet :) > > > >> > > > > > > > > What does a graduate php developer earn in Scotland? and is it > > > > the the piece of paper that's important or is it a reference to the > > > > general skill level (personally I don't see much direct corellation > > > > between academic capabilities and practical coding/sysadmin skill). > > > > > > > > just thinking out loud guys :-) > > > > > > > > > > > This is always beat around...and my 2 cents are that all the "piece of > > > paper" is worth is showing you have a certain level of commitment needed > > > to complete the degree program (important for any job), and that you > > > have the ability to learn. Granted...there are always exceptions to the > > > rule... > > > > I think that these programs are too overall based, and jobs are mostly > > quite focused on a single point. Very simple example, you're working > > on a text based site, why do you need to know how to use the GD > > functions? > > If each company would create its own very simple test, that only > > focuses on the actual point, than that would see who is appropriate > > for the job, and who isn't > > Maybe so, but it would tell you who can adapt to change ;) Not that a Should have read "but it won't tell you..." Cheers, Rob. -- .. | InterJinn Application Framework - http://www.interjinn.com | :: | An application and templating framework for PHP. Boasting | | a powerful, scalable system for accessing system services | | such as forms, properties, sessions, and caches. InterJinn | | also provides an extremely flexible architecture for | | creating re-usable components quickly and easily. | `' -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php Keep in mind, though, that a good part of the time here in the United States, employment is gained by knowing someone (not necessarily political, but someone may ask, "hey, do you know anyone who knows how to "). That's actually how I got the job that I'm in, and my degree was in Criminal Justice back in the nineties. I never got a computer science degree, nor do I think I ever plan on getting one. -- Daniel P. Brown [office] (570-) 587-7080 Ext. 272 [mobile] (570-) 766-8107 -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] Edinburgh, Scotland: PHP Developer Position
On 6/18/07, Robert Cummings <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: On Mon, 2007-06-18 at 10:40 -0400, Robert Cummings wrote: > On Mon, 2007-06-18 at 16:22 +0200, Tijnema wrote: > > On 6/18/07, Brad Bonkoski <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > Jochem Maas wrote: > > > > Edward Kay wrote: > > > > > > > > ... > > > > > > > > > > > >> But the advert is for a GRADUATE developer ;) Whilst your messages to this > > > >> list show you know a lot about PHP, I doubt you've managed to fit a degree > > > >> in yet :) > > > >> > > > > > > > > What does a graduate php developer earn in Scotland? and is it > > > > the the piece of paper that's important or is it a reference to the > > > > general skill level (personally I don't see much direct corellation > > > > between academic capabilities and practical coding/sysadmin skill). > > > > > > > > just thinking out loud guys :-) > > > > > > > > > > > This is always beat around...and my 2 cents are that all the "piece of > > > paper" is worth is showing you have a certain level of commitment needed > > > to complete the degree program (important for any job), and that you > > > have the ability to learn. Granted...there are always exceptions to the > > > rule... > > > > I think that these programs are too overall based, and jobs are mostly > > quite focused on a single point. Very simple example, you're working > > on a text based site, why do you need to know how to use the GD > > functions? > > If each company would create its own very simple test, that only > > focuses on the actual point, than that would see who is appropriate > > for the job, and who isn't > > Maybe so, but it would tell you who can adapt to change ;) Not that a Should have read "but it won't tell you..." Cheers, Rob. I guessed that rob ;) Tijnema -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] Re: [BULK] Re: [PHP] OK to have many files in one folder?
On 6/18/07, Colin Guthrie <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: clive wrote: >> >> I have no clue how big the files are, but you might want to store them >> in a database. That can speed up things, but don't ask me how much ;) >> >> Tijnema >> > no dude, while database are convenient, files systems are faster, I mean > thats what they were designed for, serving files. > > For lots of files I would store them in directories and sub directories. Yeah amen! I generally use a two character hex hash in my main folder to give 255 sub folders each containing files. In my case the hash is calculated from some known info - e.g. a database ID and then stored in a meta data table. Col -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php Tij, Referring to one of my earlier posts in this thread, as a refresher, database information is stored in files. So to store files in a database means the following has to take place: 1.) Data is uploaded to the server. 2.) Data is processed by the database server. 3.) Data is compressed and encrypted. 4.) Data is written to disk. (4b. - optional) Data file is checked for integrity and correctness of write. Then, to serve the content, a similar reverse occurs: 1.) Request is sent to the server via a script. 2.) The script interfaces with the database to locate the desired data row. 3.) Once located, the data is pulled in raw form from the database file. 4.) The data is then decompressed and decrypted. 5.) The data is streamed back to the script. 6.) The script decides how to handle it, based upon hard-coded options. For a filesystem, it's simpler. Uploading: 1.) Data is uploaded. 2.) Data is written to disk. Serving: 1.) Request is sent via script, FTP, socket connection, or local request. 2.) File is served through via the method requested. So there are several pros and cons for each, but just to list three of each with regard to database storage: Pros: Can be stored centralized and portable, without needing to archive. Automatically encrypted and compressed upon storage. Easier and faster to search. Cons: Slower storage and retrieval Much greater risk of corruption Not always cross-compatible across platforms, versions, installations, etc. -- Daniel P. Brown [office] (570-) 587-7080 Ext. 272 [mobile] (570-) 766-8107 -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] Edinburgh, Scotland: PHP Developer Position
On Mon, 2007-06-18 at 10:40 -0400, Robert Cummings wrote: > On Mon, 2007-06-18 at 16:22 +0200, Tijnema wrote: > > On 6/18/07, Brad Bonkoski <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > Jochem Maas wrote: > > > > Edward Kay wrote: > > > > > > > > ... > > > > > > > > > > > >> But the advert is for a GRADUATE developer ;) Whilst your messages to > > > >> this > > > >> list show you know a lot about PHP, I doubt you've managed to fit a > > > >> degree > > > >> in yet :) > > > >> > > > > > > > > What does a graduate php developer earn in Scotland? and is it > > > > the the piece of paper that's important or is it a reference to the > > > > general skill level (personally I don't see much direct corellation > > > > between academic capabilities and practical coding/sysadmin skill). > > > > > > > > just thinking out loud guys :-) > > > > > > > > > > > This is always beat around...and my 2 cents are that all the "piece of > > > paper" is worth is showing you have a certain level of commitment needed > > > to complete the degree program (important for any job), and that you > > > have the ability to learn. Granted...there are always exceptions to the > > > rule... > > > > I think that these programs are too overall based, and jobs are mostly > > quite focused on a single point. Very simple example, you're working > > on a text based site, why do you need to know how to use the GD > > functions? > > If each company would create its own very simple test, that only > > focuses on the actual point, than that would see who is appropriate > > for the job, and who isn't > > Maybe so, but it would tell you who can adapt to change ;) Not that a Should have read "but it won't tell you..." Cheers, Rob. -- .. | InterJinn Application Framework - http://www.interjinn.com | :: | An application and templating framework for PHP. Boasting | | a powerful, scalable system for accessing system services | | such as forms, properties, sessions, and caches. InterJinn | | also provides an extremely flexible architecture for | | creating re-usable components quickly and easily. | `' -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] Unable to use exec() in php
Is there a special way to allow only a specific user to execute the
system_exec() and exec() calls?
on 6/18/07 10:31 AM, Daniel Brown at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> On 6/18/07, Crayon Shin Chan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> On Monday 18 June 2007 13:15, makhan wrote:
>>
>> Stop top posting.
>>
>>> I am also using shell_exec('matlab -r myscript') to run
>>> my matlab script.
>>
>> Using shell_exec('matlab -r /path/to/myscript') would be a better idea.
>>
>> --
>> Crayon
>>
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>
> exec('date 2>&1',$ret);
> echo $ret."\n";
> ?>
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Re: [PHP] Unable to use exec() in php
On 6/18/07, Daniel Brown <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
On 6/18/07, Crayon Shin Chan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Monday 18 June 2007 13:15, makhan wrote:
>
> Stop top posting.
>
> > I am also using shell_exec('matlab -r myscript') to run
> > my matlab script.
>
> Using shell_exec('matlab -r /path/to/myscript') would be a better idea.
>
> --
> Crayon
>
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Re: [PHP] Edinburgh, Scotland: PHP Developer Position
On Mon, 2007-06-18 at 16:22 +0200, Tijnema wrote: > On 6/18/07, Brad Bonkoski <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Jochem Maas wrote: > > > Edward Kay wrote: > > > > > > ... > > > > > > > > >> But the advert is for a GRADUATE developer ;) Whilst your messages to > > >> this > > >> list show you know a lot about PHP, I doubt you've managed to fit a > > >> degree > > >> in yet :) > > >> > > > > > > What does a graduate php developer earn in Scotland? and is it > > > the the piece of paper that's important or is it a reference to the > > > general skill level (personally I don't see much direct corellation > > > between academic capabilities and practical coding/sysadmin skill). > > > > > > just thinking out loud guys :-) > > > > > > > > This is always beat around...and my 2 cents are that all the "piece of > > paper" is worth is showing you have a certain level of commitment needed > > to complete the degree program (important for any job), and that you > > have the ability to learn. Granted...there are always exceptions to the > > rule... > > I think that these programs are too overall based, and jobs are mostly > quite focused on a single point. Very simple example, you're working > on a text based site, why do you need to know how to use the GD > functions? > If each company would create its own very simple test, that only > focuses on the actual point, than that would see who is appropriate > for the job, and who isn't Maybe so, but it would tell you who can adapt to change ;) Not that a university degree will tell you that either. Cheers, Rob. -- .. | InterJinn Application Framework - http://www.interjinn.com | :: | An application and templating framework for PHP. Boasting | | a powerful, scalable system for accessing system services | | such as forms, properties, sessions, and caches. InterJinn | | also provides an extremely flexible architecture for | | creating re-usable components quickly and easily. | `' -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] Edinburgh, Scotland: PHP Developer Position
On Mon, 2007-06-18 at 10:08 -0400, Brad Bonkoski wrote: > Jochem Maas wrote: > > Edward Kay wrote: > > > > ... > > > > > >> But the advert is for a GRADUATE developer ;) Whilst your messages to this > >> list show you know a lot about PHP, I doubt you've managed to fit a degree > >> in yet :) > >> > > > > What does a graduate php developer earn in Scotland? and is it > > the the piece of paper that's important or is it a reference to the > > general skill level (personally I don't see much direct corellation > > between academic capabilities and practical coding/sysadmin skill). > > > > just thinking out loud guys :-) > > > > > This is always beat around...and my 2 cents are that all the "piece of > paper" is worth is showing you have a certain level of commitment needed > to complete the degree program (important for any job), and that you > have the ability to learn. Granted...there are always exceptions to the > rule... > > Plus, at least in the US, it [a degree] always opens the door for more > money! ;-) Things I learned to do while obtaining my B.C.S. degree: 1. Time management - how to maximize partying time while still getting projects done on time. I used a "night before" philosophy that incorporated the all-nighter strategy. This particular approach isn't for everyone. I found 2 litres of cola and a bag of Viva Puffs were helpful at alleviating night-time drowsiness. This strategy can also work for studying for exams. 2. Efficiency - due to many hangovers there was a great need for better efficiency in the learning process. To decrease the requisite time needed to absorb information it was necessary to not bother showing up to class since reading the textbooks was much quicker than listening to the sleep inducing drone of the professor (who in many cases was practically reading from the textbook). An added bonus is you don't need to weep through the ignorant questions that are almost guaranteed to be raised throughout the class by students who didn't do any reading at all. Textbooks also often had nice little chunks of source code and margin tidbits that the professor expected you to read anyways). I must add though, there were some exceptionally interesting professors that made the showing up worthwhile, my favourites were the distributed and parallel programming courses. 3. Networking - I found branching out to the artsy disciplines to be quite invigorating. For some reason the distribution of women to men in these areas are much more condusive to relationships. I also learned some other networking stuff but that was course work. Another good area for networking was the campus pub... I had an especially delightful time one night when all the tutors for my 4th year algorithms course were present and I whupped their butts at pool >:) 4. Independence - all the drooling keeners never wanted the partying type in their group when group projects were mandated. As a result you often learned how to do everything yourself -- the night before of course :) 5. Budgeting - how to pay off a student debt during the dot com bust days. This mostly involved not doing what was done during the years of studying... aka partying :/ It took me 6 years to pay off 70k in student debt *lol*. For me going to university was a little bit about getting a piece of paper and a lot about having fun and meeting people (I met my wife there). One thing that I think is helpful about university is that it brings a lot of smaller pieces of the greater picture together in a useful and cohesive manner. Cheers, Rob. -- .. | InterJinn Application Framework - http://www.interjinn.com | :: | An application and templating framework for PHP. Boasting | | a powerful, scalable system for accessing system services | | such as forms, properties, sessions, and caches. InterJinn | | also provides an extremely flexible architecture for | | creating re-usable components quickly and easily. | `' -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] Unable to use exec() in php
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> I am also using shell_exec('matlab -r myscript') to run
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Using shell_exec('matlab -r /path/to/myscript') would be a better idea.
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Re: [PHP] Edinburgh, Scotland: PHP Developer Position
On 6/18/07, Brad Bonkoski <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Jochem Maas wrote: > Edward Kay wrote: > > ... > > >> But the advert is for a GRADUATE developer ;) Whilst your messages to this >> list show you know a lot about PHP, I doubt you've managed to fit a degree >> in yet :) >> > > What does a graduate php developer earn in Scotland? and is it > the the piece of paper that's important or is it a reference to the > general skill level (personally I don't see much direct corellation > between academic capabilities and practical coding/sysadmin skill). > > just thinking out loud guys :-) > > This is always beat around...and my 2 cents are that all the "piece of paper" is worth is showing you have a certain level of commitment needed to complete the degree program (important for any job), and that you have the ability to learn. Granted...there are always exceptions to the rule... I think that these programs are too overall based, and jobs are mostly quite focused on a single point. Very simple example, you're working on a text based site, why do you need to know how to use the GD functions? If each company would create its own very simple test, that only focuses on the actual point, than that would see who is appropriate for the job, and who isn't Plus, at least in the US, it [a degree] always opens the door for more money! ;-) >> Edward Yes, but if you pay $10K for you study, and you get $1K extra each year, you need to work 10 years to get your money back, and I didn't even count the costs of your valuable time... Tijnema -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] generating an html intro text ...
Stut wrote: > Jochem Maas wrote: >> Stut wrote: >>> I'm sure Tidy could be employed to do this job. Grab your target length >>> of text, backtrack until you find < or >. If it's a < then chop that bit >>> off. Then give it to Tidy to fix the HTML. That should close off any >>> open tags and give you a properly formed snippet. >>> >>> Or you could implement the same functionality yourself quite easily, and >>> it doesn't need to be well-formed HTML but you would need to check for >>> tags that don't need closing (img, br, etc). >> >> Stut, I going to go out on a limb and say 'bullshit' to those comments, >> no personal offence meant (I mostly value your input *alot*, but I >> guess we >> can't agree all the time): > > None taken, good. > but I think you're making this into a bigger problem than it > is. okay. > >> 1. simply backtracking to a '<' or '>' doesn't account for unescaped >> output >> within the content pieces/parts of the html, e.g.: >> >> look this here character '<' ammounts to invalid html > > If the content is not escaped then it's not going to get displayed > properly by the browser, so why worry about it? because plenty/most browser do display it 'properly' even though the actual HTML is valid - most of my clients use that POS called IE - which does an amazing job at turing dogshit tagsoup (especially M$ proprietary generate cruft - think FrontPage, Word, Publisher etc) into something 'pretty' in the browser window (and usually displaying what the user/client expected ... we'll not go it the flipside where valid HTML is borked when output :-/ the client cares that things always display correctly - regardless of the cruft that marketing drone X input into the [internal company] backend system .. when it's 10-30K euros in turnover a day that's understandable. > >> 2. backtracking in the manner you describe does account for a large >> ammount of >> hmtl at the beginning of the string - remember that the aim of the >> game is >> to truncate the user visible content of the html string in question >> (the comment below would be required to be part of the output - think >> html comment >> spam, which is quite effective and some clients state as a requirement): >> >> look at >> this > > Comments are easily removed before snippet generation with a simple regex. > >> you say 'you could implement the same functionality yourself quite >> easily' - if >> that was true then why does nobody have a readymade solution - it's >> not as if the >> requirement is 'way out there' as far as web development goes. I don't >> think creating routines >> for doing advanced manipulation of XML/HTML strings 'properly' is >> something very simple, >> something that can be atested to by the relative complexity of libtidy >> and libxml2. >> >> I not looking for a hack job here, I need something that can be relied >> on to output >> html strings that will not break the validity (& layout) of a page >> regardless of the >> quality of input. >> >> the more I think about it the more I inclined to think that Tidy is >> about to become >> a close friend. :-) > > If I were you I would definitely be looking at Tidy because it's been > well tested in the real world and will save a huge amount of effort. > However, I don't think writing code to do this amounts to a hack. The > rules of markup are very clear and with a little thought you could > easily handle the vast majority of possible situations. probably but 'vast majority' != 'ALL' - and I garantee marketing drone X will break the system before I can turn my back, murphy's law and all that! 1 word, short word, 2 syllables, first syllable sounds like 'sky'. :-) -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] Edinburgh, Scotland: PHP Developer Position
Jochem Maas wrote: Edward Kay wrote: ... But the advert is for a GRADUATE developer ;) Whilst your messages to this list show you know a lot about PHP, I doubt you've managed to fit a degree in yet :) What does a graduate php developer earn in Scotland? and is it the the piece of paper that's important or is it a reference to the general skill level (personally I don't see much direct corellation between academic capabilities and practical coding/sysadmin skill). just thinking out loud guys :-) This is always beat around...and my 2 cents are that all the "piece of paper" is worth is showing you have a certain level of commitment needed to complete the degree program (important for any job), and that you have the ability to learn. Granted...there are always exceptions to the rule... Plus, at least in the US, it [a degree] always opens the door for more money! ;-) Edward -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] Re: Edinburgh, Scotland: PHP Developer Position
On 6/18/07, Colin Guthrie <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Tijnema wrote: > Well, I have a lot experience with PHP, HTML and MySQL. Also some > experience with Unix system administration. I'm 15 years old, so > could I apply for the job? :) We can offer a competitive package that involves free milk and cookies, a nap time in the afternoon and a note to get you out of gym class. :p Forget the note, gym classes are over, holiday time :) Milk is for babies ;) Don't you have some cola? Unfortunately, we would be looking for someone who is a little older, certainly they would need to be over 16 in order to be even *allowed* to work! We are really looking for someone who has come through university, but open to anyone who cares to contact us! Hmm, I don't know the exact laws about working under 16/18, but atleast you could offer a holiday job ;) I'm available for next 2 months :) All that said, we may be hiring again in a years time so when you get to 16 drop us a line ;) Col That will be in early 2008, I hope I don't forget your company, or that I get overruled by other companies... PS free milk and cookies and an afternoon nap actually sounds quite good now I come to think about it.. :p :) Tijnema -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] generating an html intro text ...
Jochem Maas wrote: Stut wrote: I'm sure Tidy could be employed to do this job. Grab your target length of text, backtrack until you find < or >. If it's a < then chop that bit off. Then give it to Tidy to fix the HTML. That should close off any open tags and give you a properly formed snippet. Or you could implement the same functionality yourself quite easily, and it doesn't need to be well-formed HTML but you would need to check for tags that don't need closing (img, br, etc). Stut, I going to go out on a limb and say 'bullshit' to those comments, no personal offence meant (I mostly value your input *alot*, but I guess we can't agree all the time): None taken, but I think you're making this into a bigger problem than it is. 1. simply backtracking to a '<' or '>' doesn't account for unescaped output within the content pieces/parts of the html, e.g.: look this here character '<' ammounts to invalid html If the content is not escaped then it's not going to get displayed properly by the browser, so why worry about it? 2. backtracking in the manner you describe does account for a large ammount of hmtl at the beginning of the string - remember that the aim of the game is to truncate the user visible content of the html string in question (the comment below would be required to be part of the output - think html comment spam, which is quite effective and some clients state as a requirement): look at this Comments are easily removed before snippet generation with a simple regex. you say 'you could implement the same functionality yourself quite easily' - if that was true then why does nobody have a readymade solution - it's not as if the requirement is 'way out there' as far as web development goes. I don't think creating routines for doing advanced manipulation of XML/HTML strings 'properly' is something very simple, something that can be atested to by the relative complexity of libtidy and libxml2. I not looking for a hack job here, I need something that can be relied on to output html strings that will not break the validity (& layout) of a page regardless of the quality of input. the more I think about it the more I inclined to think that Tidy is about to become a close friend. :-) If I were you I would definitely be looking at Tidy because it's been well tested in the real world and will save a huge amount of effort. However, I don't think writing code to do this amounts to a hack. The rules of markup are very clear and with a little thought you could easily handle the vast majority of possible situations. The most hack-like way would be to purely ensure that you don't break in the middle of an actual tag (whether it be an opening or closing tag), and then wrap it in another tag and let the browser take care of closing unclosed tags. -Stut -- http://stut.net/ -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] Edinburgh, Scotland: PHP Developer Position
Edward Kay wrote: ... > > But the advert is for a GRADUATE developer ;) Whilst your messages to this > list show you know a lot about PHP, I doubt you've managed to fit a degree > in yet :) What does a graduate php developer earn in Scotland? and is it the the piece of paper that's important or is it a reference to the general skill level (personally I don't see much direct corellation between academic capabilities and practical coding/sysadmin skill). just thinking out loud guys :-) > > Edward > -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] Re: Edinburgh, Scotland: PHP Developer Position
PS free milk and cookies and an afternoon nap actually sounds quite good now I come to think about it.. :p Almost better than healthcare and retirement benefits... :) thnx, Chris -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] generating an html intro text ...
Stut wrote: > Edward Kay wrote: ... >> >> A few thoughts I've had on this problem: >> >> Assuming it is well formed HTML, you could use a stack. Parse the string >> putting all opening tags on the stack and then removing them when the >> close >> tag is found. This will leave you with all the un-closed tags and in the >> correct order. >> >> Remember that some tags can be self closing ( etc). I'd rather not go down this route I think - because I feel it's too error prone given the kind of crap one might expect as input (for instance) >> >> Could you use one of the XML extensions to build a DOM of the snippet? >> I've >> not used them much myself, but I'm guessing they could handle most of the >> tag stripping and matching... indeed I am leaning towards XML extension and/or Tidy with regard to finding some kind of solution. > > I'm sure Tidy could be employed to do this job. Grab your target length > of text, backtrack until you find < or >. If it's a < then chop that bit > off. Then give it to Tidy to fix the HTML. That should close off any > open tags and give you a properly formed snippet. > > Or you could implement the same functionality yourself quite easily, and > it doesn't need to be well-formed HTML but you would need to check for > tags that don't need closing (img, br, etc). Stut, I going to go out on a limb and say 'bullshit' to those comments, no personal offence meant (I mostly value your input *alot*, but I guess we can't agree all the time): 1. simply backtracking to a '<' or '>' doesn't account for unescaped output within the content pieces/parts of the html, e.g.: look this here character '<' ammounts to invalid html 2. backtracking in the manner you describe does account for a large ammount of hmtl at the beginning of the string - remember that the aim of the game is to truncate the user visible content of the html string in question (the comment below would be required to be part of the output - think html comment spam, which is quite effective and some clients state as a requirement): look at this you say 'you could implement the same functionality yourself quite easily' - if that was true then why does nobody have a readymade solution - it's not as if the requirement is 'way out there' as far as web development goes. I don't think creating routines for doing advanced manipulation of XML/HTML strings 'properly' is something very simple, something that can be atested to by the relative complexity of libtidy and libxml2. I not looking for a hack job here, I need something that can be relied on to output html strings that will not break the validity (& layout) of a page regardless of the quality of input. the more I think about it the more I inclined to think that Tidy is about to become a close friend. :-) > > -Stut > -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
RE: [PHP] Edinburgh, Scotland: PHP Developer Position
> -Original Message- > From: Tijnema [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: 18 June 2007 14:25 > To: Colin Guthrie > Cc: php-general@lists.php.net > Subject: Re: [PHP] Edinburgh, Scotland: PHP Developer Position > > > On 6/18/07, Colin Guthrie <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Hi, > > > > Don't want to spam the list, but figured after the London Salaries topic > > recently, that I'd post this! > > > > We're needing a PHP/MySQL developer, preferably with experience of > > general server admin too. > > > > The details can be found here if anyone is interested: > > > http://www.tribalogic.net/tribalogic/jobs/graduate-php-developer-n eeded.html > > Col > > > Well, I have a lot experience with PHP, HTML and MySQL. Also some > experience with Unix system administration. I'm 15 years old, so > could I apply for the job? :) > > Tijnema But the advert is for a GRADUATE developer ;) Whilst your messages to this list show you know a lot about PHP, I doubt you've managed to fit a degree in yet :) Edward -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
[PHP] Re: Edinburgh, Scotland: PHP Developer Position
Tijnema wrote: > Well, I have a lot experience with PHP, HTML and MySQL. Also some > experience with Unix system administration. I'm 15 years old, so > could I apply for the job? :) We can offer a competitive package that involves free milk and cookies, a nap time in the afternoon and a note to get you out of gym class. :p Unfortunately, we would be looking for someone who is a little older, certainly they would need to be over 16 in order to be even *allowed* to work! We are really looking for someone who has come through university, but open to anyone who cares to contact us! All that said, we may be hiring again in a years time so when you get to 16 drop us a line ;) Col PS free milk and cookies and an afternoon nap actually sounds quite good now I come to think about it.. :p -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] generating an html intro text ...
Edward Kay wrote: -Original Message- From: Jochem Maas [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 18 June 2007 13:18 To: tedd Cc: [php] PHP General List Subject: Re: [PHP] generating an html intro text ... tedd wrote: At 11:39 AM +0200 6/14/07, Jochem Maas wrote: original string: ... The problem as I see it is covering all the possibilities that may occur even if the text is well formed. Like what if someone introduces a span that sets a color for a paragraph, such as: Dolore magna aliquam erat volutpat ut wisi enim ad minim veniam quis nostrud. Consectetuer adipiscing elit sed diam nonummy nibh euismod tincidunt ut laoreet exerci tation ullamcorper suscipit lobortis! Decima eodem modo typi qui nunc nobis videntur parum clari fiant sollemnes in. And the tag as well as the tag is outside the 256 limit? You would have to search out and pull in all closing tags. So, I guess an algorithm could be: roughly speaking yes this is what is would do, except: First, grab 256 characters -- The string. If The string is shorter, then quit. the algo should only be counting 'content characters', i.e. anything that is html markup should not go towards the string length count, additionally html entities such as '&' should be considered as a single character. Second, determine what tags are not closed. Third, create closing tags and add them to the end of The string (in proper order). Fourth, then remove the same number of non-html characters from the end of The string. what the code should do (mmore or less) is quite clear - writing something flexible & robust to actually do it (and do it fast) is quite another matter. I have been looking at Edward Vermillon's code but I suspect that what he sent me is not quite what I'm looking for for a number of reasons: 1. it deals primarily with custom bbcode like markup 2. I have a couple of doubts about the handling of html entities 3. performance that said I still have to look at it in depth before making any real conclusions as to it's viability (and or the possiblity to rework the code to fit my needs). I'm also looking at an alternative where by I go through the string and truncate it at the character (or characters that represent an html entity) that reresents the Nth 'content character' and then feeding the truncated string to the Tidy extension and let it figure out the html cleaning part ... does anyone have experience using tidy to clean (make valid) html snippets using Tidy, that they would like to share? A few thoughts I've had on this problem: Assuming it is well formed HTML, you could use a stack. Parse the string putting all opening tags on the stack and then removing them when the close tag is found. This will leave you with all the un-closed tags and in the correct order. Remember that some tags can be self closing ( etc). Could you use one of the XML extensions to build a DOM of the snippet? I've not used them much myself, but I'm guessing they could handle most of the tag stripping and matching... I'm sure Tidy could be employed to do this job. Grab your target length of text, backtrack until you find < or >. If it's a < then chop that bit off. Then give it to Tidy to fix the HTML. That should close off any open tags and give you a properly formed snippet. Or you could implement the same functionality yourself quite easily, and it doesn't need to be well-formed HTML but you would need to check for tags that don't need closing (img, br, etc). -Stut -- http://stut.net/ -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] Edinburgh, Scotland: PHP Developer Position
On 6/18/07, Colin Guthrie <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Hi, Don't want to spam the list, but figured after the London Salaries topic recently, that I'd post this! We're needing a PHP/MySQL developer, preferably with experience of general server admin too. The details can be found here if anyone is interested: http://www.tribalogic.net/tribalogic/jobs/graduate-php-developer-needed.html Col Well, I have a lot experience with PHP, HTML and MySQL. Also some experience with Unix system administration. I'm 15 years old, so could I apply for the job? :) Tijnema -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
RE: [PHP] generating an html intro text ...
> -Original Message- > From: Jochem Maas [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: 18 June 2007 13:18 > To: tedd > Cc: [php] PHP General List > Subject: Re: [PHP] generating an html intro text ... > > > tedd wrote: > > At 11:39 AM +0200 6/14/07, Jochem Maas wrote: > >> original string: > >> > > ... > > > > The problem as I see it is covering all the possibilities that may occur > > even if the text is well formed. Like what if someone introduces a span > > that sets a color for a paragraph, such as: > > > > Dolore magna aliquam erat volutpat ut wisi enim > > ad minim veniam quis nostrud. Consectetuer adipiscing elit sed diam > > nonummy nibh euismod tincidunt ut laoreet exerci tation ullamcorper > > suscipit lobortis! Decima eodem modo typi qui nunc nobis videntur > > parum clari fiant sollemnes in. > > > > And the tag as well as the tag is outside the 256 limit? > > > > You would have to search out and pull in all closing tags. > > > > So, I guess an algorithm could be: > > roughly speaking yes this is what is would do, except: > > > > > First, grab 256 characters -- The string. If The string is shorter, then > > quit. > > the algo should only be counting 'content characters', i.e. > anything that is > html markup should not go towards the string length count, > additionally html entities > such as '&' should be considered as a single character. > > > > > Second, determine what tags are not closed. > > > > Third, create closing tags and add them to the end of The string (in > > proper order). > > > > Fourth, then remove the same number of non-html characters from the end > > of The string. > > what the code should do (mmore or less) is quite clear - writing something > flexible & robust to actually do it (and do it fast) is quite > another matter. > > I have been looking at Edward Vermillon's code but I suspect that > what he sent > me is not quite what I'm looking for for a number of reasons: > > 1. it deals primarily with custom bbcode like markup > 2. I have a couple of doubts about the handling of html entities > 3. performance > > that said I still have to look at it in depth before making any real > conclusions as to it's viability (and or the possiblity to rework the > code to fit my needs). > > I'm also looking at an alternative where by I go through the > string and truncate it at the character (or characters that > represent an html entity) that reresents the Nth 'content character' > and then feeding the truncated string to the Tidy extension and let it > figure out the html cleaning part ... does anyone have experience > using tidy > to clean (make valid) html snippets using Tidy, that they would > like to share? > A few thoughts I've had on this problem: Assuming it is well formed HTML, you could use a stack. Parse the string putting all opening tags on the stack and then removing them when the close tag is found. This will leave you with all the un-closed tags and in the correct order. Remember that some tags can be self closing ( etc). Could you use one of the XML extensions to build a DOM of the snippet? I've not used them much myself, but I'm guessing they could handle most of the tag stripping and matching... HTH, Edward -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
[PHP] Re: Controlling project version
Jochem Maas wrote: > Colin Guthrie wrote: >> One other good thing about Subversion is the flexibility of it's hooks. >> You can setup scripts to automatically deploy your changes to a live >> environment. It's ace! > > 2 points I'd like to make: > > 1. I'd be very wary of using an auto deployment script that is triggered > upon check in unless the deployment was only to test system. I think that > deployment to a production env should have at least one step that requires > human intervention - at the very least you have someone to blame if the shit > hits > the fan.** Yeah I should have put a few caveats in there really, seeing as I don't actually do this myself! For what it's worth if I really were to implement this it would only be for a branch where only certain developers have access to. The trunk would be for active dev, it could then be frozen and tested, then merged to the deployment branch! > 2. CVS has wrapper/hook scripts that can also do tasks like this - although I > gather that SVN's implementation is friendly & more manageable. Yeah, I certainly like it better. I've not looked at CVS hooks for years but I'm sure I remember the SVN ones being more flexible... > ** 'shit hits the fan' reminds me of something I saw in a LIDL supermarket - > they had a ripoff version of 'PomBaer' crisps (potato chips) which was called > 'Bears Hit' ... I kid you not! now you too can say with confidence, 'I feel > like eating some bear shit' :-> I don't think I could ever say that with confidence! Col -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] Session persistent objects
Please include the list when replying. Markus Feier wrote: I thought I read somewhere, there could be a problem storing objects in sessions. Do you mean $_SESSION['objectid']=new classx... I do indeed mean that. There are a few things you need to be aware of... * When you call session_start() you must already have included the necessary that defines the classes that might have instances in the session, or have an __autoload function that can load them on demand. * As always you cannot store resources in the session. To get around this for objects, implement __sleep and __wake methods to dispose of and recreate the resources. Check the manual for full details. -Stut -- http://stut.net/ -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] Re: Controlling project version
Hello, I use CVS in office and home -- Shafiq Rehman (ZCE) http://www.phpgurru.com | http://shafiq.pk Cell: +92 300 423 9385 On 6/18/07, Jochem Maas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Colin Guthrie wrote: > Stut wrote: >>> I don't like the branching in subversion, it's a lot easier to work with >>> in CVS. ... > > One other good thing about Subversion is the flexibility of it's hooks. > You can setup scripts to automatically deploy your changes to a live > environment. It's ace! 2 points I'd like to make: 1. I'd be very wary of using an auto deployment script that is triggered upon check in unless the deployment was only to test system. I think that deployment to a production env should have at least one step that requires human intervention - at the very least you have someone to blame if the shit hits the fan.** 2. CVS has wrapper/hook scripts that can also do tasks like this - although I gather that SVN's implementation is friendly & more manageable. > > If you are using an interal Wiki, Ticket system I can thoroughly > recommend Trac for this. It has excellent integration with Subversion. > > Hope that helps. > ** 'shit hits the fan' reminds me of something I saw in a LIDL supermarket - they had a ripoff version of 'PomBaer' crisps (potato chips) which was called 'Bears Hit' ... I kid you not! now you too can say with confidence, 'I feel like eating some bear shit' :-> -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] Re: Controlling project version
Colin Guthrie wrote: > Stut wrote: >>> I don't like the branching in subversion, it's a lot easier to work with >>> in CVS. ... > > One other good thing about Subversion is the flexibility of it's hooks. > You can setup scripts to automatically deploy your changes to a live > environment. It's ace! 2 points I'd like to make: 1. I'd be very wary of using an auto deployment script that is triggered upon check in unless the deployment was only to test system. I think that deployment to a production env should have at least one step that requires human intervention - at the very least you have someone to blame if the shit hits the fan.** 2. CVS has wrapper/hook scripts that can also do tasks like this - although I gather that SVN's implementation is friendly & more manageable. > > If you are using an interal Wiki, Ticket system I can thoroughly > recommend Trac for this. It has excellent integration with Subversion. > > Hope that helps. > ** 'shit hits the fan' reminds me of something I saw in a LIDL supermarket - they had a ripoff version of 'PomBaer' crisps (potato chips) which was called 'Bears Hit' ... I kid you not! now you too can say with confidence, 'I feel like eating some bear shit' :-> -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] Session persistent objects
Markus Feier wrote: In a browser-application, whenever receiving a GET, php will have to create all involves objects. I wonder, if there is a way to keep php objects, including all actual propertys, during a whole session Yeah, erm, store the in the session. Too obvious? -Stut -- http://stut.net/ -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
