Re: [PHP] Re: classes v. functions
* Thus wrote Simon Fredriksson ([EMAIL PROTECTED]): [...] just got confused. Then, suddenly I got some class for something, checked out the code and my brain just snapped. aaah, THAT's how it's done!. It wasn't well documented, just nicely structured and easy to read and understand. I need a good brain snap sometimes, too :) Curt. -- -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] Re: classes v. functions
--On Sunday, July 20, 2003 07:53:20 +0200 Simon Fredriksson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I've been working like that for about two years and just recently I got enlighted in the use of classes. The main reason I started this thread is that since I'm just beginning with php I thought I might as well start with a good methodology. I've seen on the net whole collections of classes some going as far as almost inventing a new language but having some experience I know everything comes at a price. Classes seem to provide advantages to plain functions but only sometimes, striking the right balance I guess, is what I'm after. One shouldn't apply industrial theories to just everything. Regards, Andu Novac -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
[PHP] list server problem
Is it just me getting some messages 3 times? I also noticed that there is no Reply-To in the headers so every time I want to reply to the list I have to copy/paste the list's address, clicking the Reply button would send my message to the poster, not the list. I guess others are having the same problem for which reason they reply to all or cc to the list, all of us ending up with a couple copies of the message. Is this something that can be fixed? Regards, Andu Novac -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] list server problem
* Thus wrote Andu ([EMAIL PROTECTED]): Is it just me getting some messages 3 times? I also noticed that there is no Reply-To in the headers so every time I want to reply to the list I have to copy/paste the list's address, clicking the Reply button would send my message to the poster, not the list. I guess others are having the same problem for which reason they reply to all or cc to the list, all of us ending up with a couple copies of the message. Is this something that can be fixed? I've been noticing this too, everytime someone replies to the list I get an extra copy of the mail. It seems that most people are just doing a reply to all type follow-up. I've actually been considering adding a reply-to: php-general to my outbound mail on this list, but have hesitated doing so. I dont have that problem cause mutt recoginzes that I'm replying to the mailing list and replies directly to the list instead of the user. It would be nice if a solution could be made on this, i'm getting needless mail in my mailbox. Curt -- I used to think I was indecisive, but now I'm not so sure. -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
[PHP] Coding Question
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hello, I am currently trying to think of how I want to solve an issue, and im looking for some input. I have a page that will query information from a database and then properly display it on the screen. Now the thing I want to set up is the option to split the information over 2,3 or more pages. For example, the user can set a value in the config file for how many results to display for page, then on each page ill have something that says results 25-50 here and what not. The only thing that comes to my mind, is somehow setting up some tests, and then altering the sql statement with the list option. Is this the best way to do this? Does anyone else have any other suggestions?? Thanks in advance for the assistance. - --- Aaron Axelsen AIM: AAAK2 Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Want reliable web hosting at affordable prices? www.modevia.com Web Dev/Design Community/Zine www.developercube.com -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGPfreeware 7.0.3 for non-commercial use http://www.pgp.com iQA/AwUBPxpK1brnDjSLw9ADEQK0cQCgmFLBwO/IeqIYZIJUhR2j23Na5/sAniYv nXehy/vKSs6AE8/yI3O9BixJ =s7G2 -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] Forms and PHP
On Sunday 20 July 2003 12:37, Jason Giangrande wrote: I have a question about forms and PHP. Here's what I'm looking to do. I'm trying to set up a spell checker that checks text entered in a form, but I want the check results to show up in a different window so that the user can change the misspelled words if they'd like. In other words, I want to be able to click a link and have another page open that checks the spelling. My question is how can I send the text from the form to this other page (which, right now, is a separate php script) so it can be spell checked without actually submitting the actual form first? In other words, I would like the user to be able to check the spelling without actually submitting the form. Squirrelmail has a nice spelling checker which works similar to that. Take a look to see if you can borrow some ideas/code. -- Jason Wong - Gremlins Associates - www.gremlins.biz Open Source Software Systems Integrators * Web Design Hosting * Internet Intranet Applications Development * -- Search the list archives before you post http://marc.theaimsgroup.com/?l=php-general -- /* It is not a good omen when goldfish commit suicide. */ -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] list server problem
On Sunday 20 July 2003 14:42, Andu wrote: Is it just me getting some messages 3 times? I also noticed that there is no Reply-To in the headers so every time I want to reply to the list I have to copy/paste the list's address, clicking the Reply button would send my message to the poster, not the list. I guess others are having the same problem for which reason they reply to all or cc to the list, all of us ending up with a couple copies of the message. Is this something that can be fixed? There is nothing wrong with the headers that the list messages use. This was discussed fairly extensive about two weeks ago. Refer to archive for details. The executive summary is that there is nothing to be fixed. If you're using a less than adequate mail client which does not understand the mailing list info contained in the headers then you should either change clients or, even easier, just add the mailing list address into your address book. -- Jason Wong - Gremlins Associates - www.gremlins.biz Open Source Software Systems Integrators * Web Design Hosting * Internet Intranet Applications Development * -- Search the list archives before you post http://marc.theaimsgroup.com/?l=php-general -- /* An antique that seems too good to be true, probably is. -- Kathy Lee's Dictum */ -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] Still problem with files
On Monday 21 July 2003 00:23, Beauford.2005 wrote: These files were already done from last year, so I figured I would just carry on with them. Last year they did not have to be manipulated - so it wasn't a big deal. I have since changed the whole thing and am now using a database (took me a whole 45 minutes), which I was using anyway to hold all my other info. I'd still be curious though as to why the other way did not work. If it's not obvious from examining the code then you have to get down to some serious debugging. Most importantly you need to: - incorporate error checking into your code, examine the values returned from all functions - var_dump() all your major variables and verify that they are what you expect them to be -- Jason Wong - Gremlins Associates - www.gremlins.biz Open Source Software Systems Integrators * Web Design Hosting * Internet Intranet Applications Development * -- Search the list archives before you post http://marc.theaimsgroup.com/?l=php-general -- /* What's all this brouhaha? */ -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
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[PHP] creating rs2 newsfeeds
Hi there, I was searching on the net for a while on how to create dynamic newsfeeds from my web portal. Somehow I did not find what I was looking for. Can anybody give me a good start on how to write a newsfeed service which is dynamic? The goal is whenever a member publishes a story on the site, it should be included into the newsfeed. Thanx for any suggestions and help on this! -- Worldwide Travel Community http://www.globosapiens.net -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
[PHP] Preserving session vars over multiple windows
Hi there. How can i preserve var's of session 's' over more than one window without loosing them? Thomas -- +++ GMX - Mail, Messaging more http://www.gmx.net +++ Jetzt ein- oder umsteigen und USB-Speicheruhr als Prämie sichern! -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
[PHP] hi
Hi there, My name is Dave, and no ya don't know me, but I wanna tell ya about something. I'll admit I got your info off a website somewhere while searching around for addys on Yahoo, but this isn't spam, and i'm not adding you to any sort of list. This email is between *me* and *you* and if you reply, you will get a real person on the other end :-) The site that I saw yer addy on, and I can't really recall where I saw it, it had something to do with message forums and online conversation, and I am also into message forums also. I don't like the flame forums tho with all the idiots just swearing like they have nothing better to do. I like the ones that are fun, friendly, and the people actually have something intelligent to say. Well, anywayz, I run a message forum network called Xpresit Net, and am trying to premote it. We don't sell anything, and I actually run the network from my DSL line at home. The site is on an OC3, but the actual mail exchange takes place from the hub on my DSL line. This is a network in light of the fact that we not only offer it to regular people, but we also offer it to websites to have for their visitors. It's a free speech network, we just don't allow flaming, because I feel that any opinion can be said without attacking someone. We have 62 servers so far, and we have telnet, web, nntp (Newsgroup), and email list access to post in the network. Since this network is privately run, there is absolutely no spam, and the way it is setup, spammers can't get to it. You can't spam via a bot on the website, with telnet its impossible to spam, and with email and nntp, if anyone actually manages to send out a spam message, their account will be blocked and removed. I setup this network 10 years ago, starting on my 14.4 modem, if you can beleive that :-) Well anyways, if you are a webmaster who wants the network on your site, or if your just a regular person looking for a friendly place to chat with some nice people, then please visit http://www.xpresit.net If you have any questions, please feel free to reply. If your not interested, I'm really really sorry to have bothered you, and you can just delete this email. Well anywayz, thats about all i have to say about that. I hope you'll join us. But if not thats ok too. Have a good one, and thanks again. Dave
[PHP] Jumping between HTTP and HTTPS
I'm having a little trouble understanding how to accomplish this. Should the entire browsing session be HTTPS after login, or just for important functions like login and checkout If noly for those function, who should I design to jump back an forth. I know DB should be used for cart items, but when I jump to HTTPS, should I enclude the session ID (which will be stored in the DB) as a GET query string field? If not, how else will I be able to know which user to continue with. I don't see any functions that will let you specify which session ID to continue with. What is the best practice? -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] Coding Question
Retrieving the results can be LIMITed to X results starting at row Y
using mysql's LIMIT function.
Check the MySQL manual, but basically, this will limit the result to 10
rows, starting with row 5.
SELECT name FROM customers LIMIT 5,10
By taking your values for the starting point and row count from
variables from within the url, a posted form, session, cookie, etc, you
can build dynamic queries, eg:
$sql = SELECT name FROM customers LIMIT {$start},{$perPage};
You can also build next and previous links by adding and subtracting
the $perPage to the $start.
Make sense?
There's plenty of tutorials -- just do a google search.
Justin
On Sunday, July 20, 2003, at 05:55 PM, Aaron Axelsen wrote:
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Hello,
I am currently trying to think of how I want to solve an issue, and
im looking for some input.
I have a page that will query information from a database and then
properly display it on the screen. Now the thing I want to set up is
the option to split the information over 2,3 or more pages.
For example, the user can set a value in the config file for how many
results to display for page, then on each page ill have something
that says results 25-50 here and what not.
The only thing that comes to my mind, is somehow setting up some
tests, and then altering the sql statement with the list option. Is
this the best way to do this? Does anyone else have any other
suggestions??
Thanks in advance for the assistance.
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Re: [PHP] URL correctimizer ... how to make one?
On Sunday, July 20, 2003, at 03:26 PM, Curt Zirzow wrote: I know this isn't your code but... yes, it wasn't mine, but i should have checked it out more thoroughly regardless. btw, the above code is copyrighted so dont use it. *sigh*... so why contribute it to the list? Just to prove your skills? I didn't join this list for that reason at all... I joined to teach and learn in return. I have no need for the code you supplied AT ALL, and don't plan to use it, but fail to see why you're so precious about a few lines, and fail to see why you bothered to send it to the list at all if you didn't want anyone to use it. Justin -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
[PHP] Auto session timeout
Hi, Can someone confirm that php does not have a auto timeout feature? Meaning something like session will auto expire irregardless of whether the browser is close or not? -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
[PHP] The 'Unable to create Java Virtual Machine' Again
Hi, I know there are already a lot of posting regarding this bug. But I can't find a solution for this problem. There is no problem with my installation, I think. I can call java classes. But the Unable to create Java Virtual Machine error will occur if I would to constantly refresh the page. I guess there is a out of memory issue or deadlock somewhere. Have any one sucessfully deploy php pages accessing java classes without errors? This bug has been submitted but not resolved. Have anyone come up with a solution? I am working on a winxp, using Apache 1.3.27 and php 4.3.2., java version 1.4.1. Thanks in advance. -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] HOW TO -- ARRAY UPDATE MYSQL
Hi ALL, I just want to validate each row values of a and load the same in MYSQL Table. Suresh A. On Sat, 19 Jul 2003, Curt Zirzow wrote: Suresh Babu.A [Support] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: HI ALL, I want to update a mulitple row from a HTML Table to MYSQL Database. L1 V1 T1 L2 V2 V2 L3 V3 V3 Can you expand on this a little more, it's a bit vague. -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
[PHP] The 'Unable to create Java Virtual Machine' Again
Hi, I know there are already a lot of posting regarding this bug. But I can't find a solution for this problem. There is no problem with my installation, I think. I can call java classes. But the Unable to create Java Virtual Machine error will occur if I would to constantly refresh the page. I guess there is a out of memory issue or deadlock somewhere. Have any one sucessfully deploy php pages accessing java classes without errors? This bug has been submitted but not resolved. Have anyone come up with a solution? I am working on a winxp, using Apache 1.3.27 and php 4.3.2., java version 1.4.1. Thanks in advance. -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] Auto session timeout
Tan Ai Leen wrote: Hi, Can someone confirm that php does not have a auto timeout feature? Meaning something like session will auto expire irregardless of whether the browser is close or not? If you're using the default session handler and storing the session files in the location specified in php.ini, then the files will be deleted by the garbage collection process after so many minutes of not being accessed. So, whether the browser window is open or not, the file will be deleted if it hasn't been accessed, thus ending the session. The time that this happens isn't exact, though, since garbage collection is triggered based upon traffic to your site and a probability you set in php.ini. It's close enough for government work, though. :) -- ---John Holmes... Amazon Wishlist: www.amazon.com/o/registry/3BEXC84AB3A5E/ PHP|Architect: A magazine for PHP Professionals www.phparch.com -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
RE: [PHP] URL correctimizer ... how to make one?
And even if it is copyrighted as soon as you change variable names and so on that copyright does not apply. -Original Message- From: Justin French [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 20 July 2003 14:00 To: Curt Zirzow Cc: php Subject: Re: [PHP] URL correctimizer ... how to make one? On Sunday, July 20, 2003, at 03:26 PM, Curt Zirzow wrote: I know this isn't your code but... yes, it wasn't mine, but i should have checked it out more thoroughly regardless. btw, the above code is copyrighted so dont use it. *sigh*... so why contribute it to the list? Just to prove your skills? I didn't join this list for that reason at all... I joined to teach and learn in return. I have no need for the code you supplied AT ALL, and don't plan to use it, but fail to see why you're so precious about a few lines, and fail to see why you bothered to send it to the list at all if you didn't want anyone to use it. Justin -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] URL correctimizer ... how to make one?
Tell me Curt, where is it copyrighted? US/Canada/Worldwide? Where is it
registered? What do you intended to do to protect your copyright? What
makes this code unique that it can be copyrighted to you? Do you understand
copyrighting and intellectual property? You just made that code public on a
public list - does that nullify the copyright? Why did you post the code if
it was not with the intent to share?
Perhaps you should think twice/thrice/four-times before you post copyrighted
code - I can guarantee you that it will be used over and over and over by
many a person - and you did not even include a credit in the code. Silly
boy :)
On 7/20/03 1:26 AM, Curt Zirzow [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I know this isn't your code but...
* Thus wrote Justin French ([EMAIL PROTECTED]):
[...]
// test the URL
// it's important that you dont put http:// or it will not work
// the 2nd paramater is how long to test the URL b4 timing out
$found = fsockopen($url, 10);
$found = fsockopen($host, $port, $errno, $errstr, $timeout);
// act on it
if($found)
{
echo URL http://{$url} could not be found, thus is considered
invalid;
hm... actually this is found but any way but any way since it is found
might as well check the uri..
fputs($found, GET $uri HTTP/1.0\r\nHost: $host\r\n\r\n);
$status = fgets($found)
list(proto, $result, $result_text) = split($status);
if ($result != 200 ) {
echo url is bad, give me a better one;
} else{
echo thank you for for the url;
}
}
?
and of course
fclose($found); //we dont want the rest of the page.
hmm.. I think I did to much.. just that other peoples code frighten me
sometimes
btw, the above code is copyrighted so dont use it.
cheers,
Curt
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Re: [PHP] Re: classes v. functions
On Sun, 2003-07-20 at 02:28, Andu wrote: One shouldn't apply industrial theories to just everything. Object Oriented Design is not an industrial theory. It's a tried and true practice with over a decade of computer science and practical use behind it. Procedural programming is a subset of Object oriented programming. Someday you'll need the higher level features OOD offers, but until then it probably just won't make sense unless you actually go and learn the principles from a good book or teacher. Trying to formulate an opinion about OOD from the PHP mailing list is like trying to form an opinion about nuclear physics from your buddy that watched some show on nuclear power plants (maybe not that extreme, but hopefully you get the point). Cheers, Rob. -- .-. | Worlds of Carnage - http://www.wocmud.org | :-: | Come visit a world of myth and legend where | | fantastical creatures come to life and the | | stuff of nightmares grasp for your soul.| `-' -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
[PHP] Re: creating rs2 newsfeeds
On Sun, 20 Jul 2003 12:28:55 +0200, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Merlin) wrote: Hi there, I was searching on the net for a while on how to create dynamic newsfeeds from my web portal. Somehow I did not find what I was looking for. Can anybody give me a good start on how to write a newsfeed service which is dynamic? The goal is whenever a member publishes a story on the site, it should be included into the newsfeed. Thanx for any suggestions and help on this! Two ways of doing it, basically. First is a dynamic PHP page that goes though the last ten or whatever updates and displays them as RSS (in much the same way you display a recent articles page, except you output XML instead of HTML) Second is to create the page as above whenever you add a new story and then output it to a static file. Output of RSS is fairly simple, start off with ?PHP header(content-type: text/xml) ? then build up the introductory data (I'm using a stripped down version of my own feed as an example here): example ?xml version=1.0 encoding=utf-8? rss version=2.0 xmlns:dc=http://purl.org/dc/elements/1.1/; channel titleAquarionics/title linkhttp://www.aquarionics.com/link description/description dc:languageen-gb/dc:language dc:creatorAquarion ([EMAIL PROTECTED])/dc:creator dc:rightsCopyright 2003 Aquarion/dc:rights dc:date2003-07-20T11:55:00+0100/dc:date admin:generatorAgent rdf:resource=http://www.aquarionics.com/epistula/?v=2.0.2b; / admin:errorReportsTo rdf:resource=mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ sy:updatePerioddaily/sy:updatePeriod sy:updateFrequency8/sy:updateFrequency sy:updateBase2000-01-01T12:00+00:00/sy:updateBase /example If it's a database, query for the last 10 items, then loop though them and output the code: item titleJournal - Aquarion and the Missing Domain/title linkhttp://www.aquarionics.com/journal/2003/07/18/Aquarion_and_the_Missing_Domain/link commentshttp://www.aquarionics.com/journal/2003/07/18/Aquarion_and_the_Missing_Domain/comments descriptionIn which a server vanishes/description guid isPermaLink=truehttp://www.aquarionics.com/journal/2003/07/18/Aquarion_and_the_Missing_Domain/guid content:encoded![CDATA[ pOkay, so in the confusion of yesterday, I forgot to mention something. As of yesterday morning, the entire gkhs.net network went span class=capsAWOL/span because for some reason neither of the people who have the domain got any emails reminding us that it was due to expire./p pThis is why none of you have discovered that spirit.gkhs.net isn#8217;t working for span class=capsIRC/span atm. I#8217;ll relaunch it when I get them back again (I#8217;ve now renewed the domain)./p ]]/content:encoded dc:date2003-07-18T07:33:00+0100/dc:date dc:subjectcomputing/dc:subject /item Finally, do the final closing tags: /channel /rss and then run it though the Feed Validator at http://feeds.archive.org/validator/ to make sure you haven't done anything silly :-) The specification for RSS2 (which will tell you - or help you - know what goes in all the tags I used above) is at http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/tech/rss HTH -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
[PHP] Forms and PHP
I'm working with forms using PHP and HTML. I've noticed that there is a limit of the length of a URL that can sent to browser (I'm passing many many things as arguments across pages). Is there a way to get across the limit or am I doing something wrong? Yasir -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] Forms and PHP
Yasir Malik wrote: I'm working with forms using PHP and HTML. I've noticed that there is a limit of the length of a URL that can sent to browser (I'm passing many many things as arguments across pages). Is there a way to get across the limit or am I doing something wrong? Yasir Submit your form via post instead of get. -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
[PHP] mail function
I put this PHP script on web server: ?php if (mail([EMAIL PROTECTED], brati, peda, From: Peda)== TRUE) print(U redu je); else print(Greska); ? But It seems that mail function doesn't work. I don't get any e-mail. Can anyone tell me what is wrong. Greetings. -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
[PHP] Re: creating rs2 newsfeeds
ok, I get the idea how to create those newsfeeds. Looks pretty staigh forward. How do you implement them on the client site. I read about news agregator programms (like newsreaders for newsgroups). But I do want to integrate them into another website without having php on that site. Do I have to wrap it around another peace of software? It would be grate if it would just be a html tag which just implements the little news into a whole html page surrounded by its other content. -- Worldwide Travel Community http://www.globosapiens.net Aquarion [EMAIL PROTECTED] schrieb im Newsbeitrag news:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Sun, 20 Jul 2003 12:28:55 +0200, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Merlin) wrote: Hi there, I was searching on the net for a while on how to create dynamic newsfeeds from my web portal. Somehow I did not find what I was looking for. Can anybody give me a good start on how to write a newsfeed service which is dynamic? The goal is whenever a member publishes a story on the site, it should be included into the newsfeed. Thanx for any suggestions and help on this! Two ways of doing it, basically. First is a dynamic PHP page that goes though the last ten or whatever updates and displays them as RSS (in much the same way you display a recent articles page, except you output XML instead of HTML) Second is to create the page as above whenever you add a new story and then output it to a static file. Output of RSS is fairly simple, start off with ?PHP header(content-type: text/xml) ? then build up the introductory data (I'm using a stripped down version of my own feed as an example here): example ?xml version=1.0 encoding=utf-8? rss version=2.0 xmlns:dc=http://purl.org/dc/elements/1.1/; channel titleAquarionics/title linkhttp://www.aquarionics.com/link description/description dc:languageen-gb/dc:language dc:creatorAquarion ([EMAIL PROTECTED])/dc:creator dc:rightsCopyright 2003 Aquarion/dc:rights dc:date2003-07-20T11:55:00+0100/dc:date admin:generatorAgent rdf:resource=http://www.aquarionics.com/epistula/?v=2.0.2b; / admin:errorReportsTo rdf:resource=mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ sy:updatePerioddaily/sy:updatePeriod sy:updateFrequency8/sy:updateFrequency sy:updateBase2000-01-01T12:00+00:00/sy:updateBase /example If it's a database, query for the last 10 items, then loop though them and output the code: item titleJournal - Aquarion and the Missing Domain/title linkhttp://www.aquarionics.com/journal/2003/07/18/Aquarion_and_the_Missing _Domain/link commentshttp://www.aquarionics.com/journal/2003/07/18/Aquarion_and_the_Mis sing_Domain/comments descriptionIn which a server vanishes/description guid isPermaLink=truehttp://www.aquarionics.com/journal/2003/07/18/Aquarion_an d_the_Missing_Domain/guid content:encoded![CDATA[ pOkay, so in the confusion of yesterday, I forgot to mention something. As of yesterday morning, the entire gkhs.net network went span class=capsAWOL/span because for some reason neither of the people who have the domain got any emails reminding us that it was due to expire./p pThis is why none of you have discovered that spirit.gkhs.net isn#8217;t working for span class=capsIRC/span atm. I#8217;ll relaunch it when I get them back again (I#8217;ve now renewed the domain)./p ]]/content:encoded dc:date2003-07-18T07:33:00+0100/dc:date dc:subjectcomputing/dc:subject /item Finally, do the final closing tags: /channel /rss and then run it though the Feed Validator at http://feeds.archive.org/validator/ to make sure you haven't done anything silly :-) The specification for RSS2 (which will tell you - or help you - know what goes in all the tags I used above) is at http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/tech/rss HTH -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
[PHP] Re: creating rs2 newsfeeds
Hello, On 07/20/2003 07:28 AM, Merlin wrote: I was searching on the net for a while on how to create dynamic newsfeeds from my web portal. Somehow I did not find what I was looking for. Can anybody give me a good start on how to write a newsfeed service which is dynamic? The goal is whenever a member publishes a story on the site, it should be included into the newsfeed. You may want to try this class that does exactly what you ask: http://www.phpclasses.org/rsswriter -- Regards, Manuel Lemos Free ready to use OOP components written in PHP http://www.phpclasses.org/ -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] Re: A new FREE web server can do PHP faster than Apache's mod_php
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[PHP] Re: creating rs2 newsfeeds
Can anybody give me a good start on how to write a newsfeed service which is dynamic? The goal is whenever a member publishes a story on the site, it should be included into the newsfeed. You may want to try this class that does exactly what you ask: http://www.phpclasses.org/rsswriter thanx, but I am looking for a method which I can forward to people without having to worry about php. Something like JavaSript. Something that even a person on geocities would enable to put the newsfeed on there page. Is this even possible? -- Worldwide Travel Community http://www.globosapiens.net Manuel Lemos [EMAIL PROTECTED] schrieb im Newsbeitrag news:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Hello, On 07/20/2003 07:28 AM, Merlin wrote: I was searching on the net for a while on how to create dynamic newsfeeds from my web portal. Somehow I did not find what I was looking for. Can anybody give me a good start on how to write a newsfeed service which is dynamic? The goal is whenever a member publishes a story on the site, it should be included into the newsfeed. You may want to try this class that does exactly what you ask: http://www.phpclasses.org/rsswriter -- Regards, Manuel Lemos Free ready to use OOP components written in PHP http://www.phpclasses.org/ -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] Jumping between HTTP and HTTPS
* Thus wrote John Manko ([EMAIL PROTECTED]): I'm having a little trouble understanding how to accomplish this. Should the entire browsing session be HTTPS after login, or just for important functions like login and checkout If noly for those function, who should I design to jump back an forth. I know DB should be used for cart items, but when I jump to HTTPS, should I enclude the session ID (which will be stored in the DB) as a GET query string field? If not, how else will I be able to know which user to continue with. I don't see any functions that will let you specify which session ID to continue with. What is the best practice? It is overkill to run whole site on https, you only need it when sensitive data is being sent back and forth (ie, credit card, login info..) Technically you only need to use https when the user actually submits the form to the script that processes. So the page that generates the form for the user to login does NOT need to be encrypted, the forms action will contain the https url. In general practice though I would probably encrypt the login/checkout page just so 'joe user' feels more secure (seeing the little secure icon in the lower left corner.) You dont need to touch any php code, just modify the html so the properlinks point to https where needed. On and advanced note, there are ways to protect a users password on a normal http connection. The authentication program I helped developed and use has the abilty to make a hash of the password on the client side then send the hash value to the authentication script. The authenication script never sees the password just verifies the hash. http://sourceforge.net/projects/diggerauth/ (only cvs version is available, you need ot browse cvs to see the code) HTH, Curt -- I used to think I was indecisive, but now I'm not so sure. -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] Jumping between HTTP and HTTPS
I'm curious as to why your email has these headers: References: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] In-Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] My email program thinks your discussing db sized and how you can get it into a variable in php. Curt -- I used to think I was indecisive, but now I'm not so sure. -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] URL correctimizer ... how to make one?
* Thus wrote Curt Zirzow ([EMAIL PROTECTED]): btw, the above code is copyrighted so dont use it. Sorry, i shouldn't and try and make jokes in the furture... I was a little tired last night and kinda needed to lighten up my email a little (but it backfired on me).. Again, sorry for the confusion. Curt -- I used to think I was indecisive, but now I'm not so sure. -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] list server problem
--On Sunday, July 20, 2003 16:35:46 +0800 Jason Wong [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sunday 20 July 2003 14:42, Andu wrote: Is it just me getting some messages 3 times? I also noticed that there is no Reply-To in the headers so every time I want to reply to the list I have to copy/paste the list's address, clicking the Reply button would send my message to the poster, not the list. I guess others are having the same problem for which reason they reply to all or cc to the list, all of us ending up with a couple copies of the message. Is this something that can be fixed? There is nothing wrong with the headers that the list messages use. This was discussed fairly extensive about two weeks ago. Refer to archive for details. The executive summary is that there is nothing to be fixed. If you're using a less than adequate mail client which does not understand the mailing list info contained in the headers then you should either change clients or, even easier, just add the mailing list address into your address book. Nonsense, all clients understand reply-to if it's there and that is the obligation of the sender which in this case is the list server not my client. Regards, Andu Novac -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
[PHP] Re: creating rs2 newsfeeds
Hello, On 07/20/2003 01:07 PM, Merlin wrote: Can anybody give me a good start on how to write a newsfeed service which is dynamic? The goal is whenever a member publishes a story on the site, it should be included into the newsfeed. You may want to try this class that does exactly what you ask: http://www.phpclasses.org/rsswriter thanx, but I am looking for a method which I can forward to people without having to worry about php. Something like JavaSript. Something that even a person on geocities would enable to put the newsfeed on there page. Is this even possible? Sure, just use that class to generate RSS feed and then use this Javascript feed viewer service to embed it peoples pages with a single HTML line. Here is an example: Original feed: http://www.phpclasses.org/browse.html/latest/latest.xml HTML tags to embed: script language=javascript src=http://publish.curry.com/rss/rss-box.r?url=http://www.phpclasses.org/browse.html/latest/latest.xmlalign=leftwidth=200frameColor=blacktitleBarColor=%23add8e6titleBarTextColor=blackboxFillColor=whitetextColor=blackfontFace=maxItems=7compact=xmlButton=javascript=true;/script Feed viewer page: http://publish.curry.com/rss/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.phpclasses.org%2Fbrowse.html%2Flatest%2Flatest.xmlwidth=200align=leftframeColor=blacktitleBarColor=%23add8e6titleBarTextColor=blackboxFillColor=whitetextColor=blackfontFace=maxItems=7setup=true -- Regards, Manuel Lemos Free ready to use OOP components written in PHP http://www.phpclasses.org/ -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] Auto session timeout
* Thus wrote Tan Ai Leen ([EMAIL PROTECTED]): Hi, Can someone confirm that php does not have a auto timeout feature? Meaning something like session will auto expire irregardless of whether the browser is close or not? two php ini variables that effect this: ; Lifetime in seconds of cookie or, if 0, until browser is restarted. session.cookie_lifetime = 0 ; After this number of seconds, stored data will be seen as 'garbage' and ; cleaned up by the garbage collection process. session.gc_maxlifetime = 1440 Now if your cookie_lifetime is greater than your gc_maxlifetime, I'm not sure if garbage clean up will honor the time of the cookie_lifetime. I would think it should. Curt -- I used to think I was indecisive, but now I'm not so sure. -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
php-general Digest 20 Jul 2003 17:09:02 -0000 Issue 2187
php-general Digest 20 Jul 2003 17:09:02 - Issue 2187 Topics (messages 155942 through 155982): Re: Forms and PHP 155942 by: Jason Giangrande 155951 by: Jason Wong 155970 by: Yasir Malik 155971 by: John Nichel Re: Setting total db size to a variable. 155943 by: Curt Zirzow Re: URL correctimizer ... how to make one? 155944 by: Curt Zirzow 155960 by: Justin French 155966 by: Randum Ian 155967 by: Mike Morton 155979 by: Curt Zirzow Re: classes v. functions 155945 by: Simon Fredriksson 155946 by: Curt Zirzow 155947 by: Andu 155968 by: Robert Cummings list server problem 155948 by: Andu 155949 by: Curt Zirzow 155952 by: Jason Wong 155980 by: Andu Coding Question 155950 by: Aaron Axelsen 155959 by: Justin French Re: Still problem with files 155953 by: Jason Wong FREE PHP HOSTING 155954 by: Bang Dodi creating rs2 newsfeeds 155955 by: Merlin 155969 by: Aquarion 155973 by: Merlin 155974 by: Manuel Lemos 155976 by: Merlin 155981 by: Manuel Lemos Preserving session vars over multiple windows 155956 by: Thomas Hochstetter hi 155957 by: David Kelso Jumping between HTTP and HTTPS 155958 by: John Manko 155977 by: Curt Zirzow 155978 by: Curt Zirzow Auto session timeout 155961 by: Tan Ai Leen 155965 by: John W. Holmes 155982 by: Curt Zirzow The 'Unable to create Java Virtual Machine' Again 155962 by: Tan Ai Leen 155964 by: Tan Ai Leen Re: HOW TO -- ARRAY UPDATE MYSQL 155963 by: Suresh Babu.A [Support] mail function 155972 by: Peda Re: A new FREE web server can do PHP faster than Apache's mod_php 155975 by: Mark Clarkstone Administrivia: To subscribe to the digest, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe from the digest, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To post to the list, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- ---BeginMessage--- Thanks guys. I think I'll try it first as Chris suggested and see how that goes. Thanks again. Jason On Sun, 2003-07-20 at 00:55, Justin French wrote: This is done with javascript... without getting too off topic... JS can get the contents of the textarea, and submit it via get (maybe post as well) to another (pop-up) window. the pop-up window can highlght misspelled words, and even make dynamic changes to the content in the first window. it's pretty complex stuff though... and definitely NOT for the JS newbie... look around the JS lists and sites for something that might give you a head start. justin On Sunday, July 20, 2003, at 02:37 PM, Jason Giangrande wrote: I have a question about forms and PHP. Here's what I'm looking to do. I'm trying to set up a spell checker that checks text entered in a form, but I want the check results to show up in a different window so that the user can change the misspelled words if they'd like. In other words, I want to be able to click a link and have another page open that checks the spelling. My question is how can I send the text from the form to this other page (which, right now, is a separate php script) so it can be spell checked without actually submitting the actual form first? In other words, I would like the user to be able to check the spelling without actually submitting the form. Thanks, Jason Giangrande -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php --- [This E-mail scanned for viruses] ---End Message--- ---BeginMessage--- On Sunday 20 July 2003 12:37, Jason Giangrande wrote: I have a question about forms and PHP. Here's what I'm looking to do. I'm trying to set up a spell checker that checks text entered in a form, but I want the check results to show up in a different window so that the user can change the misspelled words if they'd like. In other words, I want to be able to click a link and have another page open that checks the spelling. My question is how can I send the text from the form to this other page (which, right now, is a separate php script) so it can be spell checked without actually submitting the actual form first? In other words, I would like the user to be able to check the spelling without actually submitting the form. Squirrelmail has a nice spelling checker which works similar to that. Take a look to see if you can borrow some ideas/code. -- Jason Wong - Gremlins Associates - www.gremlins.biz Open Source Software Systems Integrators * Web Design Hosting * Internet Intranet Applications Development * -- Search the list archives before you post http://marc.theaimsgroup.com/?l=php-general
Re: [PHP] Forms and PHP
* Thus wrote Yasir Malik ([EMAIL PROTECTED]): I'm working with forms using PHP and HTML. I've noticed that there is a limit of the length of a URL that can sent to browser (I'm passing many many things as arguments across pages). Is there a way to get across the limit or am I doing something wrong? Yasir using a form POST has virtually unlimited amount data that can be sent. if you have to keep passing the data around, I would suggest to storing the data in a session of some sort then just passing the session variable around in the urls. Curt -- I used to think I was indecisive, but now I'm not so sure. -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] list server problem
On Monday 21 July 2003 00:39, Andu wrote: The executive summary is that there is nothing to be fixed. If you're using a less than adequate mail client which does not understand the mailing list info contained in the headers then you should either change clients or, even easier, just add the mailing list address into your address book. Nonsense, all clients understand reply-to if it's there and that is the obligation of the sender which in this case is the list server not my client. Please read the archives. The list is not the originator/sender of any particular message and hence should not be the subject of any reply or reply-to. Therefore it follows that it is not the list's responsibility to set a reply-to header pointing to itself. It is the mail client's job (or the list subscriber to be more precise) to direct a reply to the appropriate place and not the list's responsibility to second-guess where a reply should be directed. -- Jason Wong - Gremlins Associates - www.gremlins.biz Open Source Software Systems Integrators * Web Design Hosting * Internet Intranet Applications Development * -- Search the list archives before you post http://marc.theaimsgroup.com/?l=php-general -- /* Delta: The kids will love our inflatable slides.-- David Letterman */ -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] mail function
* Thus wrote Peda ([EMAIL PROTECTED]): I put this PHP script on web server: ?php if (mail([EMAIL PROTECTED], brati, peda, From: Peda)== TRUE) print(U redu je); else print(Greska); ? But It seems that mail function doesn't work. I don't get any e-mail. Can anyone tell me what is wrong. What does your sendmail_path say in your config, and what OS are you running. Read: http://us2.php.net/mail and http://php.net/function.mail Oh, and your from should contain a valid email too, otherwise it prolly get bounced to /dev/null From: Peda [EMAIL PROTECTED] Curt -- I used to think I was indecisive, but now I'm not so sure. -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] mail function
On Sunday 20 July 2003 23:00, Peda wrote: I put this PHP script on web server: ?php if (mail([EMAIL PROTECTED], brati, peda, From: Peda)== TRUE) print(U redu je); else print(Greska); ? But It seems that mail function doesn't work. I don't get any e-mail. Can anyone tell me what is wrong. Check your php error logs and your mailserver logs. A good and quick way to check whether mail on your system is working correctly is to use error_log() with the mail option. -- Jason Wong - Gremlins Associates - www.gremlins.biz Open Source Software Systems Integrators * Web Design Hosting * Internet Intranet Applications Development * -- Search the list archives before you post http://marc.theaimsgroup.com/?l=php-general -- /* What a misfortune to be a woman! And yet, the worst misfortune is not to understand what a misfortune it is. -- Kierkegaard, 1813-1855. */ -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] Jumping between HTTP and HTTPS
On Monday 21 July 2003 00:30, Curt Zirzow wrote: I'm curious as to why your email has these headers: References: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] In-Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] My email program thinks your discussing db sized and how you can get it into a variable in php. That's because: --- You have started a new thread by taking an existing posting and replying to it while you changed the subject. That is bad, because it breaks threading. Whenever you reply to a message, your mail client generates a References: header that tells all recipients which posting(s) your posting refers to. A mail client uses this information to build a threaded view (tree view) of the postings. With your posting style you successfully torpedoed this useful feature; your posting shows up within an existing thread it has nothing to do with. Always do a fresh post when you want to start a new thread. To achieve this, click on New message instead of Reply within your mail client, and enter the list address as the recipient. You can save the list address in your address book for convenience. --- In the above, $you =='john'. -- Jason Wong - Gremlins Associates - www.gremlins.biz Open Source Software Systems Integrators * Web Design Hosting * Internet Intranet Applications Development * -- Search the list archives before you post http://marc.theaimsgroup.com/?l=php-general -- /* 30. Ooops. Save your work, everyone. FAST! --Top 100 things you don't want the sysadmin to say */ -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] Jumping between HTTP and HTTPS
Curt Zirzow wrote: On and advanced note, there are ways to protect a users password on a normal http connection. The authentication program I helped developed and use has the abilty to make a hash of the password on the client side then send the hash value to the authentication script. The authenication script never sees the password just verifies the hash. So, I can't sniff the password, but I can sniff the hash and then send the same one when I want access. This doesn't protect much until the user changes their password and I have to get their new hash. -- ---John Holmes... Amazon Wishlist: www.amazon.com/o/registry/3BEXC84AB3A5E/ PHP|Architect: A magazine for PHP Professionals www.phparch.com -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] list server problem
--On Monday, July 21, 2003 01:34:11 +0800 Jason Wong [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Monday 21 July 2003 00:39, Andu wrote: The executive summary is that there is nothing to be fixed. If you're using a less than adequate mail client which does not understand the mailing list info contained in the headers then you should either change clients or, even easier, just add the mailing list address into your address book. Nonsense, all clients understand reply-to if it's there and that is the obligation of the sender which in this case is the list server not my client. Please read the archives. There's several thousand emails in there, give me a subject or something. I already attempted to do that but the search only takes 2 words, it looks like and chances I use the relevant ones are low, just spent some time without any relevant success. The list is not the originator/sender of any particular message and hence should not be the subject of any reply or reply-to. Therefore it follows that it is not the list's responsibility to set a reply-to header pointing to itself. So what you're saying is that all the lists i've been on in the past 7-8 years were doing it wrong but this one doesn't. The list is not the originator of my message but an inteligent list server knows that the vast majority of the clients want to reply to the list not the originator of the message. It is the mail client's job (or the list subscriber to be more precise) to direct a reply to the appropriate place and not the list's responsibility to second-guess where a reply should be directed. So what do I do if I have one account only? Should I keep changing the Reply-To for each email I send so that replies to other unrelated mail don't end up on php list? The list should second-guess members of the list want to reply to the list 99% of the time without being wrong. -- Jason Wong - Gremlins Associates - www.gremlins.biz Open Source Software Systems Integrators * Web Design Hosting * Internet Intranet Applications Development * -- Search the list archives before you post http://marc.theaimsgroup.com/?l=php-general -- /* Delta: The kids will love our inflatable slides.-- David Letterman */ -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php Regards, Andu Novac -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] Mail From option in PHP.ini
From the php website, it appears that the [EMAIL PROTECTED] can be put in the fifth parameter of the mail() function: Example 3. Sending mail with extra headers and setting an additional command line parameter. mail([EMAIL PROTECTED], the subject, $message, From: [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED]); Note: This fifth parameter was added in PHP 4.0.5. Since PHP 4.2.3 this parameter is disabled in safe_mode and the mail() function will expose a warning message and return FALSE if you're trying to use it. I followed this recent thread with some interest, because I'd like to be able to set the return-path header for a script that emails to a large list, which would in turn allow me to identify bounced emails. I'm using a shared host server, with PHP running as the master account user name, so the return-path for emails is something like Return-Path: [EMAIL PROTECTED]. I had accepted that I could not change the return-path value with PHP, but reading about this fifth parameter renewed my hope that I could. I tried adding a fifth parameter to mail() in order to do this, like so: // fifth mail() parameter to set envelope sender $cmd_line_param = [EMAIL PROTECTED]; mail($fullname$email, $subject, $message, $headers, $cmd_line_param); This didn't change the return-path header. Perhaps the problem is that I have no idea what the syntax of the command line parameter is (what the -f does). Can anyone advise? Is it possible to use this fifth parameter to set the return-path header, and if so, what's the syntax? TIA, -- Lowell Allen -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] Jumping between HTTP and HTTPS
* Thus wrote John W. Holmes ([EMAIL PROTECTED]): Curt Zirzow wrote: On and advanced note, there are ways to protect a users password on a normal http connection. The authentication program I helped developed and use has the abilty to make a hash of the password on the client side then send the hash value to the authentication script. The authenication script never sees the password just verifies the hash. So, I can't sniff the password, but I can sniff the hash and then send the same one when I want access. This doesn't protect much until the user changes their password and I have to get their new hash. The method isn't fool proof. There other things the authentication checks for when building the hash. User Requests login form: 1. when the user requests the login page the auth program generates a key which is something like md5(rand()). 2. stores that key in session variable for the next request. User Submits form: 3. when the form is submitted a javascipt function takes the key and hashes the password with the key (and otherstuff) 4. the auth program then looks at the users session stuff finds the key that it generated, from when the user first requested the page. 5. uses the session key and the users password from the database and hashes those together. 6. if they match then the following was true. - user currently has the currect session (expires after time) - user currently has the corrrect (psudo secret) key (expires after time) - user is from the same ip (optional) - user had entered the correct password. 7. on fail or success, the key is marked as stale (expired). If it failed a new key is generated, and we restart the login form process. So.. if you followed that and I explained it well enough... if you do sniff the hash, the key, and the session. You will have to get your request in before the key becomes stale, otherwise that information you have is bad. In most cases the authentication is the first thing done so we're dealing with micro seconds. You can check the code out if you want its over on sourceforge (called DiggerAuth). Curt -- I used to think I was indecisive, but now I'm not so sure. -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] Mail From option in PHP.ini
* Thus wrote Lowell Allen ([EMAIL PROTECTED]): return-path for emails is something like Return-Path: [EMAIL PROTECTED]. I had accepted that I could not change the return-path value with PHP, but reading about this fifth parameter renewed my hope that I could. I tried adding a fifth parameter to mail() in order to do this, like so: // fifth mail() parameter to set envelope sender $cmd_line_param = [EMAIL PROTECTED]; mail($fullname$email, $subject, $message, $headers, $cmd_line_param); This didn't change the return-path header. Perhaps the problem is that I have no idea what the syntax of the command line parameter is (what the -f does). I believe its '-f [EMAIL PROTECTED]', could be different depending on wich sendmail your using. I'm curious though what if your sendmail already has a -f on it: php.ini: sendmail_path=sendmail [EMAIL PROTECTED] thus a command sendmail [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Can anyone advise? Is it possible to use this fifth parameter to set the return-path header, and if so, what's the syntax? Also, the 5th paramater is disabled in safe_mode, check that also if the above doesn't work. Curt -- I used to think I was indecisive, but now I'm not so sure. -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
[PHP] Serial Port and PHP Login
Hello All, I have asked before about serial port programing with PHP and have gotten great advice and now I am stuck again. Okay here is my problem. I want to have a php app executed upon a modem connection. Currently the /sbin/login is what is executed. Does anyone have any clues on this or where I may want to look. I am using mgetty as my modem connection control. Thanks in advance! -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] Jumping between HTTP and HTTPS
You dont need to touch any php code, just modify the html so the properlinks point to https where needed. I tried that. However, the session is different when going from 80 to 443. -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] Jumping between HTTP and HTTPS
John Manko wrote: You dont need to touch any php code, just modify the html so the properlinks point to https where needed. I tried that. However, the session is different when going from 80 to 443. You'll have to pass the SID through the form or URL when switching from HTTP to HTTPS. -- ---John Holmes... Amazon Wishlist: www.amazon.com/o/registry/3BEXC84AB3A5E/ PHP|Architect: A magazine for PHP Professionals www.phparch.com -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] mail function
sendmail_path = /usr/sbin/sendmail OS is Linux -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] Auto session timeout
Hi, I have implemented the Auto session timeout after the specific period of time. What i am doing is..At the time of login to the system, my script is storing the current unix time into the session and later on at every user click, It (my script) is checking the stored unix time with the current time. So, if you want to auto logout the user after 30 minutes of inactivity then you need to store auto session timeout interval to 30 min. Algorith is..If session stored time + auto session timeout interval current time then my script automatically logout the user from the system otherwise my script stores the current unix time in the session. My problem is.. If user is doing some work on the particular page (Ex. user is writing some stuff on the specific page) but my script is counting this thing to inactive period.. so after 31 minutes if user is completing the writing and hit submit button then he is getting the session expired screen and he is loosing all the contents on that particular page.. Please let me know if any one has solution for this. Let me know if i am unclear at any point. Thanks Hardik --- John W. Holmes [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Tan Ai Leen wrote: Hi, Can someone confirm that php does not have a auto timeout feature? Meaning something like session will auto expire irregardless of whether the browser is close or not? If you're using the default session handler and storing the session files in the location specified in php.ini, then the files will be deleted by the garbage collection process after so many minutes of not being accessed. So, whether the browser window is open or not, the file will be deleted if it hasn't been accessed, thus ending the session. The time that this happens isn't exact, though, since garbage collection is triggered based upon traffic to your site and a probability you set in php.ini. It's close enough for government work, though. :) -- ---John Holmes... Amazon Wishlist: www.amazon.com/o/registry/3BEXC84AB3A5E/ PHP|Architect: A magazine for PHP Professionals www.phparch.com -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php __ Do you Yahoo!? SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! http://sbc.yahoo.com -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] redirecting to a url..
yes, got it working. thanks a lot.. i did use header
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From: Chris Shiflett [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Louie Miranda [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, July 18, 2003 11:45 PM
Subject: Re: [PHP] redirecting to a url..
--- Louie Miranda [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
echo meta http-equiv=\REFRESH\ CONTENT=\0; URL=us/index.php\;
Or you may have other more advance alternatives?
You can use a protocol redirect rather than relying on HTML:
header('Location: http://yoursite.org/us/index.php');
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RE: [PHP] Still problem with files
I've kept the code in a temp file so when I get some time I will delve into it further. Certainly more of a pain than I expected. -Original Message- From: Jason Wong [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: July 20, 2003 4:45 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [PHP] Still problem with files On Monday 21 July 2003 00:23, Beauford.2005 wrote: These files were already done from last year, so I figured I would just carry on with them. Last year they did not have to be manipulated - so it wasn't a big deal. I have since changed the whole thing and am now using a database (took me a whole 45 minutes), which I was using anyway to hold all my other info. I'd still be curious though as to why the other way did not work. If it's not obvious from examining the code then you have to get down to some serious debugging. Most importantly you need to: - incorporate error checking into your code, examine the values returned from all functions - var_dump() all your major variables and verify that they are what you expect them to be -- Jason Wong - Gremlins Associates - www.gremlins.biz Open Source Software Systems Integrators * Web Design Hosting * Internet Intranet Applications Development * -- Search the list archives before you post http://marc.theaimsgroup.com/?l=php-general -- /* What's all this brouhaha? */ -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
[PHP] Error - when trying to connect to postgresql
When I try to connect to postresql with my php script below I got hhis eror:
I can insert into the table from psql. Please help
Thanks,
---
Warning: pg_exec() query failed: ERROR: invention: permission denied in
/home/pptun/public_html/invention.php on line 9
---
Here is my PHP script:
?PHP
$L_Invention = addslashes($Invention);
$L_Inventor = addslashes($Inventor);
$L_Year = addslashes($Year);
//note: Nation is a code with integer value
$L_Nation = addslashes($Nation);
$conn = pg_connect(dbname=pptun port=5432);
$result = pg_exec($conn, insert into invention
values('$L_Invention','$L_Inventor','$L_Year',$L_Nation););
//header(Location:http://is3.usfca.edu/~pptun/invention.html;);
exit;
?
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Re: [PHP] Auto session timeout
Hardik Doshi wrote: Hi, I have implemented the Auto session timeout after the specific period of time. What i am doing is..At the time of login to the system, my script is storing the current unix time into the session and later on at every user click, It (my script) is checking the stored unix time with the current time. So, if you want to auto logout the user after 30 minutes of inactivity then you need to store auto session timeout interval to 30 min. Algorith is..If session stored time + auto session timeout interval current time then my script automatically logout the user from the system otherwise my script stores the current unix time in the session. My problem is.. If user is doing some work on the particular page (Ex. user is writing some stuff on the specific page) but my script is counting this thing to inactive period.. so after 31 minutes if user is completing the writing and hit submit button then he is getting the session expired screen and he is loosing all the contents on that particular page.. Please let me know if any one has solution for this. What you could do, at the point you realize the session has times out, is save the contents of $_GET, $_POST, or $_REQUEST (depending upon your script) and the current URL of the page in the session. Have the user log in again. The login validation page then checks for the saved values, and if they are there, redirects back to that page. Then the user doesn't lose anything. It'll require a little work, but short of increasing your time-out limit, that's the best option. There's no way to tell if a user is working on filling out a page or has left the browser open. -- ---John Holmes... Amazon Wishlist: www.amazon.com/o/registry/3BEXC84AB3A5E/ PHP|Architect: A magazine for PHP Professionals www.phparch.com -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
[PHP] Howto list Mysql Table Headers using PHP
Hi,
Got a quick question.. How do I get the table headers also
printed/retrieved by PHP for 'echo'??
eg :
1 +--+--+-++
2 | Drive SN | HSA DCM | Family | Media Supplier |
3 +--+--+-++
4 | WMACK001 | GD223213JHHS | PIONEER | KOMAG |
5 | WMACK002 | GH37489284HH | PIONEER | FUJI |
6 | WMACK003 | F023213JHHS | XBOX| KOMAG |
7 | WMACK004 | FV23213JHHS | XBOX||
8 +--+--+-++
The coding can get rows 4-7 printed out but I would like to get row2 printed
out as well. The table's all set up for it already.
I'm using
$result = mysql_query($sql);
$num_results = mysql_num_rows($result);
for ($i = 0; $i $num_results ; $i++)
{
echo tr\n ;
$row = mysql_fetch_row($result);
for ($j = 0; $j sizeof($row) ; $j++)
{
echo \t . 'td';
echo $row[$j] ;
echo /td \n;
}
echo /tr\n;
}
Cheers,
Mun Heng, Ow
H/M Engineering
Western Digital M'sia
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Re: [PHP] Howto list Mysql Table Headers using PHP
Ow Mun Heng wrote: Hi, Got a quick question.. How do I get the table headers also printed/retrieved by PHP for 'echo'?? mysql_field_name() Next time, check the manual. :) -- ---John Holmes... Amazon Wishlist: www.amazon.com/o/registry/3BEXC84AB3A5E/ PHP|Architect: A magazine for PHP Professionals www.phparch.com -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
[PHP] on preview, loosing data using post/session..
hello, im am making a business card preview program. im passing data using.. post and session. i did use a redir on my index because i use 2 diff layout. when it redir it goes to a index site that dont have a post yet. after the users enters the data when they preview the data is ok, but when they go back to correct the fields. the entered data is being lost. is there a way to store data that it wont be lost using it's session? or post? what ever's easy will be good help. -- Thank you, Louie Miranda ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
RE: [PHP] Howto list Mysql Table Headers using PHP
Whoops.. Missed that.. Thanks.. ( sorry..) Cheers, Mun Heng, Ow H/M Engineering Western Digital M'sia DID : 03-7870 5168 -Original Message- From: John W. Holmes [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, July 21, 2003 9:45 AM To: Ow Mun Heng Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [PHP] Howto list Mysql Table Headers using PHP Ow Mun Heng wrote: Hi, Got a quick question.. How do I get the table headers also printed/retrieved by PHP for 'echo'?? mysql_field_name() Next time, check the manual. :) -- ---John Holmes... Amazon Wishlist: www.amazon.com/o/registry/3BEXC84AB3A5E/ PHP|Architect: A magazine for PHP Professionals www.phparch.com -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
[PHP] POSIX seteuid and similar
Hi, I am trying to create a small php program where I can control users processes. As far as I see I require Apache to run as root in order to do this (Note: I wish to access it via a webpage run through a browser). At the moment all pages are executed as user 'apache' (UID #48 in this case). Other than giving apache root access which i hear is a very bad thing to do, what other ways can i use the posix_seteuid() functions and the like. Any help at all will be really appreciated. Thanks, Dave -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
[PHP] POSIX seteuid and similar
Hi, I am trying to create a small php program where I can control users processes. As far as I see I require Apache to run as root in order to do this (Note: I wish to access it via a webpage run through a browser). At the moment all pages are executed as user 'apache' (UID #48 in this case). Other than giving apache root access which i hear is a very bad thing to do, what other ways can i use the posix_seteuid() functions and the like. Any help at all will be really appreciated. Thanks, Dave -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
RE: [PHP] redirecting to a url..
Me,
I have 2 functions. 1 I call - immediate and other refresh.. the
difference is one as the name implies is immediate - (like chris pointed out
below ) -
header('Location: http://yoursite.org/us/index.php');
The other is more of a refresh kind, waits a default of 2 secs (for me so
that I can show a warning message before it redirects..
function header_refresh_html($l_refresh_url)
{
// This is taken from php-manual
header(Expires: Mon, 26 Jul 1997 05:00:00 GMT);
// Date in the past
header(Last-Modified: . gmdate(D, d M Y H:i:s) . GMT); //
always modified
header(Cache-Control: no-store, no-cache, must-revalidate); //
HTTP/1.1
header(Cache-Control: post-check=0, pre-check=0, false);
header(Pragma: no-cache);
// HTTP/1.0
header( Refresh:2;url=$l_refresh_url ); // Wait
default of 2 seconds
}
Cheers,
Mun Heng, Ow
H/M Engineering
Western Digital M'sia
DID : 03-7870 5168
-Original Message-
From: Chris Shiflett [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, July 18, 2003 11:46 PM
To: Louie Miranda; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [PHP] redirecting to a url..
--- Louie Miranda [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
echo meta http-equiv=\REFRESH\ CONTENT=\0; URL=us/index.php\;
Or you may have other more advance alternatives?
You can use a protocol redirect rather than relying on HTML:
header('Location: http://yoursite.org/us/index.php');
Chris
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[PHP] RE: Something to watch look for when getting HEADER Warnings
Been There..
Was a REAL pain to figure that out one..
Have a look through PhpMyAdmin's (source) scripts, I see there's a bash
shell code that actually searches through some of it's php files for
sanitation for the exact same purpose. (Haven't played with it yet though)
Cheers,
Mun Heng, Ow
H/M Engineering
Western Digital M'sia
DID : 03-7870 5168
-Original Message-
From: John Manko [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Saturday, July 19, 2003 12:49 PM
Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Something to watch look for when getting HEADER Warnings
Recently, I ran into a problem where I continually got a Header already
sent message.
I took me a while to figure out because the file that was included
only contained function definitions, or so I thought.
After the closing php tag, I had a new line with a single space on it.
This space was, in turn, sent to the browser.
file.php begin (blah, not working) -
?php
function seomthing()
{ //do something
}
?[enter]
[space]
file.php end --
It wasn't until I removed the single space and any additional newlines
that all worked fine.
Any non-null lines outside of the php tags will results in voiding all
rights to send any header or cache information, and this includes
space or newline characters.
Just an FYI.
file.php begin (cool, it works now) -
?php
function seomthing()
{ //do something
}
?[no newline]
file.php end --
Actually, you can have a newline after the clsoing php tab, but if you
have a
non-null string following that (this includes newline characters), bad
bad stuff can happen.
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[PHP] computing 2 value and adding it..
I have a 2 form value on 500/pcs and 1000/pcs
And i was hoping how will i compute this when i comes to this code..
--- start
$final_price_usmail = ( $bcard_price + $usmail_price );
$final_price_courier = ( $bcard_price + $courier_price );
if ($v_sendvia === 'USMail') {
echo '$' . $bcard_price . ' (Business Card) + ' . $usmail_price . ' (U.S.
Mail) = $' . $final_price_usmail . '.00';
} elseif ($v_sendvia === 'Courier') {
echo '$' . $bcard_price . ' (Business Card) + ' . $courier_price . '
(Courier) = $' . $final_price_courier . '.00';
}
--- end
Im looking for a way that when the user click on the 1000/pcs it will
compute * 2.
But i couldt figure this out..
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RE: [PHP] computing 2 value and adding it..
if($pcs_1000){
$total = $amount * 2;
}
-Original Message-
From: Louie Miranda [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Sunday, July 20, 2003 7:53 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: [PHP] computing 2 value and adding it..
Importance: High
I have a 2 form value on 500/pcs and 1000/pcs
And i was hoping how will i compute this when i comes to this code..
--- start
$final_price_usmail = ( $bcard_price + $usmail_price );
$final_price_courier = ( $bcard_price + $courier_price );
if ($v_sendvia === 'USMail') {
echo '$' . $bcard_price . ' (Business Card) + ' . $usmail_price . '
(U.S.
Mail) = $' . $final_price_usmail . '.00';
} elseif ($v_sendvia === 'Courier') {
echo '$' . $bcard_price . ' (Business Card) + ' . $courier_price . '
(Courier) = $' . $final_price_courier . '.00';
}
--- end
Im looking for a way that when the user click on the 1000/pcs it will
compute * 2.
But i couldt figure this out..
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Re: [PHP] POSIX seteuid and similar
* Thus wrote David Goodchild ([EMAIL PROTECTED]): Hi, I am trying to create a small php program where I can control users processes. As far as I see I require Apache to run as root in order to do this (Note: I wish to access it via a webpage run through a browser). At the moment all pages are executed as user 'apache' (UID #48 in this case). Other than giving apache root access which i hear is a very bad thing to do, what other ways can i use the posix_seteuid() functions and the like. Any help at all will be really appreciated. There is an example in the contributed notes on the site under the posix_setuid. Baically it is a perl script that is ran in cgi mode that is setuid'd. then opens a php script that runs the setuid script. I dont see why, if you choose this method is to just bypass the perl cgi and just make your php cgi setuid. I'm not sure of any security issues in doing that but it seems better than running your whole apache server as root. Curt -- I used to think I was indecisive, but now I'm not so sure. -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re[2]: [PHP] running a php script in /cgi from /web
Hi, Sunday, July 20, 2003, 12:30:30 AM, you wrote: DW Thanks for the response Tom. Unfortunately, that won't work either. A DW little background I'm using Dreamweaver and their template feature. DW for the site. I want to read some info out of a text file and format it DW into the web page. (the hosting company doesn't support any db DW either... I wish I COULD change companies, but...) So, if I use your DW idea, when the html file is included in my php script in /cgi, the DW images in the html file will be relative, not absolute (../images/***). DW The only solution I can think of is to call the php script, have it DW extract the info I need and deposit it (with html-formatting) into a DW file, then have the html file include that file. Course, this will blow DW up if more than one person accesses the site at the same time. DW Anybody with any other thoughts? DW Thanks DW Dale Can you set the path type to 'Site Root Relative' in Dreamveaver ? -- regards, Tom -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
php-general Digest 21 Jul 2003 05:39:40 -0000 Issue 2188
php-general Digest 21 Jul 2003 05:39:40 - Issue 2188 Topics (messages 155983 through 156013): Re: Forms and PHP 155983 by: Curt Zirzow Re: list server problem 155984 by: Jason Wong 155989 by: Andu Re: mail function 155985 by: Curt Zirzow 155986 by: Jason Wong 155996 by: Peda Re: Jumping between HTTP and HTTPS 155987 by: Jason Wong 155988 by: John W. Holmes 155991 by: Curt Zirzow 155994 by: John Manko 155995 by: John W. Holmes Re: Mail From option in PHP.ini 155990 by: Lowell Allen 155992 by: Curt Zirzow Serial Port and PHP Login 155993 by: Dev Re: Auto session timeout 155997 by: Hardik Doshi 156001 by: John W. Holmes Re: redirecting to a url.. 155998 by: Louie Miranda 156008 by: Ow Mun Heng Re: Still problem with files 155999 by: Beauford.2005 Error - when trying to connect to postgresql 156000 by: Paul Tun Howto list Mysql Table Headers using PHP 156002 by: Ow Mun Heng 156003 by: John W. Holmes 156005 by: Ow Mun Heng on preview, loosing data using post/session.. 156004 by: Louie Miranda POSIX seteuid and similar 156006 by: David Goodchild 156007 by: David Goodchild 156012 by: Curt Zirzow Re: Something to watch look for when getting HEADER Warnings 156009 by: Ow Mun Heng computing 2 value and adding it.. 156010 by: Louie Miranda 156011 by: Ralph Guzman Re: running a php script in /cgi from /web 156013 by: Tom Rogers Administrivia: To subscribe to the digest, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe from the digest, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To post to the list, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- ---BeginMessage--- * Thus wrote Yasir Malik ([EMAIL PROTECTED]): I'm working with forms using PHP and HTML. I've noticed that there is a limit of the length of a URL that can sent to browser (I'm passing many many things as arguments across pages). Is there a way to get across the limit or am I doing something wrong? Yasir using a form POST has virtually unlimited amount data that can be sent. if you have to keep passing the data around, I would suggest to storing the data in a session of some sort then just passing the session variable around in the urls. Curt -- I used to think I was indecisive, but now I'm not so sure. ---End Message--- ---BeginMessage--- On Monday 21 July 2003 00:39, Andu wrote: The executive summary is that there is nothing to be fixed. If you're using a less than adequate mail client which does not understand the mailing list info contained in the headers then you should either change clients or, even easier, just add the mailing list address into your address book. Nonsense, all clients understand reply-to if it's there and that is the obligation of the sender which in this case is the list server not my client. Please read the archives. The list is not the originator/sender of any particular message and hence should not be the subject of any reply or reply-to. Therefore it follows that it is not the list's responsibility to set a reply-to header pointing to itself. It is the mail client's job (or the list subscriber to be more precise) to direct a reply to the appropriate place and not the list's responsibility to second-guess where a reply should be directed. -- Jason Wong - Gremlins Associates - www.gremlins.biz Open Source Software Systems Integrators * Web Design Hosting * Internet Intranet Applications Development * -- Search the list archives before you post http://marc.theaimsgroup.com/?l=php-general -- /* Delta: The kids will love our inflatable slides.-- David Letterman */ ---End Message--- ---BeginMessage--- --On Monday, July 21, 2003 01:34:11 +0800 Jason Wong [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Monday 21 July 2003 00:39, Andu wrote: The executive summary is that there is nothing to be fixed. If you're using a less than adequate mail client which does not understand the mailing list info contained in the headers then you should either change clients or, even easier, just add the mailing list address into your address book. Nonsense, all clients understand reply-to if it's there and that is the obligation of the sender which in this case is the list server not my client. Please read the archives. There's several thousand emails in there, give me a subject or something. I already attempted to do that but the search only takes 2 words, it looks like and chances I use the relevant ones are low, just spent some time without any relevant success. The list is not the originator/sender of any particular message and hence should not be the subject of any reply or reply-to. Therefore it follows that
Re: [PHP] list server problem
On Sun, 2003-07-20 at 11:04, Andu wrote: --On Monday, July 21, 2003 01:34:11 +0800 Jason Wong [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Monday 21 July 2003 00:39, Andu wrote: The executive summary is that there is nothing to be fixed. If you're using a less than adequate mail client which does not understand the mailing list info contained in the headers then you should either change clients or, even easier, just add the mailing list address into your address book. Nonsense, all clients understand reply-to if it's there and that is the obligation of the sender which in this case is the list server not my client. Please read the archives. There's several thousand emails in there, give me a subject or something. I already attempted to do that but the search only takes 2 words, it looks like and chances I use the relevant ones are low, just spent some time without any relevant success. I searched using the terms 'list' and 'reply-to', and the thread was on the first page. But it depends on which archive you're searching, of course, and you didn't specify which one you are looking in. The one I used was http://marc.theaimsgroup.com/?l=php-generalr=1w=2 So what you're saying is that all the lists i've been on in the past 7-8 years were doing it wrong but this one doesn't. This is correct. Many lists have used reply-to in a broken fashion, and many people have become trained to expect this behaviour. Please do a search on the net for a document entitled 'Reply-to Considered Harmful' for more discussion on the topic. I've seen arguments about this every couple of months for the last 10 years and quite frankly am too sick of it to bother anymore. (And no, I don't run this list, I just work on the manual.) The list is not the originator of my message but an inteligent list server knows that the vast majority of the clients want to reply to the list not the originator of the message. This is not a valid assumption. I would consider any list broken which tried to outthink my decisions like that. It is the mail client's job (or the list subscriber to be more precise) to direct a reply to the appropriate place and not the list's responsibility to second-guess where a reply should be directed. So what do I do if I have one account only? Should I keep changing the Reply-To for each email I send so that replies to other unrelated mail don't end up on php list? The list should second-guess members of the list want to reply to the list 99% of the time without being wrong. I disagree. Oddly, I've known people who have been operating using the correct methodology for well over a decade with no ill effects. -- Torben Wilson [EMAIL PROTECTED]+1.604.709.0506 http://www.thebuttlesschaps.com http://www.inflatableeye.com http://www.hybrid17.com http://www.themainonmain.com - Boycott Starbucks! http://www.haidabuckscafe.com - -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
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