[PHP] Namespaced code with SabreDAV

2011-10-06 Thread Andrew Mason
Hello all,
I am trying to use the wonderful SabreDAV library to create a webdav
share. I have a demo up and running however the framework / class i'm
using is namespaced, and SabreDAV unfortunately does not have a 5.3
style namespace declaration.

I have an spl_autoload function registered in my base controller and
so long as I prefix the classname with a \ it all works:


 $rootDirectory = new \Sabre_DAV_FS_Directory($rootDir);

// The server object is responsible for making sense out of the WebDAV protocol
$server = new \Sabre_DAV_Server($rootDirectory);


However, SabreDAV it's self has a large amount of other PHP classes
which it calls which obviously aren't prefixed with '\'

Is there a way i can tell PHP any class name that get's instanciated
with 'Sabre_' should resolve to '\Sabre' ?

Many thanks
Andrew

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[PHP] Issues with simplexml_load_string()

2011-10-06 Thread Christoph Boget
It seems like when dealing with nodes which have CDATA, I cannot get
access to both the attributes of that node and the CDATA of that node
with the same simplexml_load_string() call.  Consider the following:

$previewString =
'rootmessage![CDATA[lkjlkjklj]]/messagebuttonsbutton
name=Add Me![CDATA[This is my free form
text]]/button/buttons/root';

When passing LIBXML_NOCDATA:

echo 'pre' . print_r( json_decode( json_encode(
(array)simplexml_load_string( $previewString, 'SimpleXMLElement',
LIBXML_NOCDATA | LIBXML_NOBLANKS )), 1 ), TRUE ) . '/pre';

yields the following output :

Array
(
[message] = lkjlkjklj
[buttons] = Array
(
[button] = This is my free form text
)
)

So I get the CDATA but I don't get the name attribute for the button.

When not using LIBXML_NOCDATA:

echo 'pre' . print_r( json_decode( json_encode(
(array)simplexml_load_string( $previewString, 'SimpleXMLElement',
LIBXML_NOBLANKS )), 1 ), TRUE ) . '/pre';

yields the following output :

Array
(
[message] = Array
(
)
[buttons] = Array
(
[button] = Array
(
[@attributes] = Array
(
[name] = Add Me
)
)
)
)

I get the attributes but not the CDATA.  Looking at the doc page for
simplexml_load_string()
(http://us.php.net/manual/en/function.simplexml-load-string.php and
http://us.php.net/manual/en/libxml.constants.php), I don't see a way
to get access to both.  Am I missing something?  Or is this really not
possible?

thnx,
Christoph

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Re: [PHP] Namespaced code with SabreDAV

2011-10-06 Thread Tommy Pham
On Thu, Oct 6, 2011 at 7:37 AM, Andrew Mason slackma...@gmail.com wrote:

 Hello all,
 I am trying to use the wonderful SabreDAV library to create a webdav
 share. I have a demo up and running however the framework / class i'm
 using is namespaced, and SabreDAV unfortunately does not have a 5.3
 style namespace declaration.

 I have an spl_autoload function registered in my base controller and
 so long as I prefix the classname with a \ it all works:


  $rootDirectory = new \Sabre_DAV_FS_Directory($rootDir);

 // The server object is responsible for making sense out of the WebDAV
 protocol
 $server = new \Sabre_DAV_Server($rootDirectory);


 However, SabreDAV it's self has a large amount of other PHP classes
 which it calls which obviously aren't prefixed with '\'

 Is there a way i can tell PHP any class name that get's instanciated
 with 'Sabre_' should resolve to '\Sabre' ?

 Many thanks
 Andrew


If my memory serves regarding PHP's namespace, you could build something
like this

$file = APP_DIR.'\'.$class;
if( file_exists( $file ) ) require_once $file;

into your autoloader.  You may have to adjust '/' to/from '\\' depending on
your platform or you can use the constant DIRECTORY_SEPARATOR in the full
path to the class.  Then you don't need add \ before your class to
instantiate.  I don't know how the SabreDAV framework looks like but you may
want to look at how Zend framework loads their class as to give you some
idea what you may need to do in your autoload to circumvent SabreDAV being
not 5.3 namespace declaration.  You may also want to take a look at
CodeIgniter's autoloading mechanism.

Regards,
Tommy


[PHP] Issues with simplexml_load_string()

2011-10-06 Thread Christoph Boget
It seems like when dealing with nodes which have CDATA, I cannot get
access to both the attributes of that node and the CDATA of that node
with the same simplexml_load_string() call.  Consider the following:

$previewString =
'rootmessage![CDATA[lkjlkjklj]]/messagebuttonsbutton
name=Add Me![CDATA[This is my free form
text]]/button/buttons/root';

When passing LIBXML_NOCDATA:

echo 'pre' . print_r( json_decode( json_encode(
(array)simplexml_load_string( $previewString, 'SimpleXMLElement',
LIBXML_NOCDATA | LIBXML_NOBLANKS )), 1 ), TRUE ) . '/pre';

yields the following output :

Array
(
   [message] = lkjlkjklj
   [buttons] = Array
   (
   [button] = This is my free form text
   )
)

So I get the CDATA but I don't get the name attribute for the button.

When not using LIBXML_NOCDATA:

echo 'pre' . print_r( json_decode(
json_encode((array)simplexml_load_string( $previewString,
'SimpleXMLElement', LIBXML_NOBLANKS )), 1 ), TRUE ) . '/pre';

yields the following output :

Array
(
   [message] = Array
   (
   )
   [buttons] = Array
   (
   [button] = Array
   (
   [@attributes] = Array
   (
   [name] = Add Me
   )
   )
   )
)

I get the attributes but not the CDATA.  Looking at the doc page for
simplexml_load_string()
(http://us.php.net/manual/en/function.simplexml-load-string.php and
http://us.php.net/manual/en/libxml.constants.php), I don't see a way
to get access to both.  Am I missing something?  Or is this really not
possible?

thnx,
Christoph

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[PHP] Problem with code...

2011-10-06 Thread Jason Pruim
Hi everyone,

Have a question about this block of code

?PHP

//SETUP VARIABLES

$mailTo = li...@pruimphotography.com;
$mailFrom = li...@pruimphotography.com;
//These 2 can be changed IF you know what you are doing and why!
$returnPath = $mailFrom;
$replyTo = $mailFrom;
$mailSubject = New Convention registration!;

$message = ;

//DO NOT CHANGE UNDER PENALITY OF BEING SLAPPED WITH A WET NOODLE!!!

$headers = From: .$mailFrom.\n;
$headers .= Return-Path: .$returnPath.\n;
$headers .= Reply-To: .$replyTo.\n;

function send_email($mailTo, $mailSubject, $mailMessage, $headers) {


if(mail( $mailTo, $mailSubject, $mailMessage, $headers )) {

$message = Thank you for registering!;

}else {
echo There was an issue with your registration.. Please try again 
later;
}

}//Close Function


if(!empty($errorCount)) {


}else {
//Build Email message
$mailmessage = Full Name:  . $_POST['firstname'] .   . 
$_POST['lastname'] . \n\n;
$mailmessage .= Address:  . $_POST['address'] . \n\n;
$mailmessage .= City, State, Zip:  . $_POST['city'] .   . 
$_POST['state'] .   . $_POST['zip'] . \n\n;
$mailmessage .= Phone:  . $_POST['phone'] . \n\n;
$mailmessage .= Email address:  . $_POST['email'] . \n\n;
if($_POST['affiliation'] == NFBOther) {
$mailmessage .= Chapter Affiliation:  . $_POST['other'] . 
\n\n;
}else{
$mailmessage .= Chapter Affiliation:  . $_POST['affiliation'] 
. \n\n;
}
if($_POST['person'] ==Other){
$mailmessage .= Who will pick up the ticket?  . 
$_POST['Pfirstname'] .   . $_POST['Llastname'] . \n\n;

}else{
$mailmessage .= Who will pick up the ticket? I will pick it up 
my self! \n\n;

}

$mailmessage .= Payment Method:  . $_POST['paymentMethod'];

send_email($mailTo, $mailSubject, $mailmessage, $headers);
}

?

Sometimes... It is dropping the last $mailmessage line... The payment method in 
the actual email it sends...

Anyone have any ideas? I'm stumped


Jason Pruim
li...@pruimphotography.com




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Re: [PHP] Problem with code...

2011-10-06 Thread George Langley
On 2011-10-06, at 6:28 PM, Jason Pruim wrote:
 
 ?PHP
 
 //SETUP VARIABLES
 
 $mailTo = li...@pruimphotography.com;
 $mailFrom = li...@pruimphotography.com;
 //These 2 can be changed IF you know what you are doing and why!
 $returnPath = $mailFrom;
 $replyTo = $mailFrom;
 $mailSubject = New Convention registration!;
 
 $message = ;
 
 //DO NOT CHANGE UNDER PENALITY OF BEING SLAPPED WITH A WET NOODLE!!!
 
 $headers = From: .$mailFrom.\n;
 $headers .= Return-Path: .$returnPath.\n;
 $headers .= Reply-To: .$replyTo.\n;
 
 function send_email($mailTo, $mailSubject, $mailMessage, $headers) {
 
 
if(mail( $mailTo, $mailSubject, $mailMessage, $headers )) {
 
$message = Thank you for registering!;
 
}else {
echo There was an issue with your registration.. Please try again 
 later;
}
 
 }//Close Function
 
 
 if(!empty($errorCount)) {
 
 
}else {
//Build Email message
$mailmessage = Full Name:  . $_POST['firstname'] .   . 
 $_POST['lastname'] . \n\n;
$mailmessage .= Address:  . $_POST['address'] . \n\n;
$mailmessage .= City, State, Zip:  . $_POST['city'] .   . 
 $_POST['state'] .   . $_POST['zip'] . \n\n;
$mailmessage .= Phone:  . $_POST['phone'] . \n\n;
$mailmessage .= Email address:  . $_POST['email'] . \n\n;
if($_POST['affiliation'] == NFBOther) {
$mailmessage .= Chapter Affiliation:  . $_POST['other'] . 
 \n\n;
}else{
$mailmessage .= Chapter Affiliation:  . 
 $_POST['affiliation'] . \n\n;
}
if($_POST['person'] ==Other){
$mailmessage .= Who will pick up the ticket?  . 
 $_POST['Pfirstname'] .   . $_POST['Llastname'] . \n\n;
 
}else{
$mailmessage .= Who will pick up the ticket? I will pick it 
 up my self! \n\n;
 
}
 
 $mailmessage .= Payment Method:  . $_POST['paymentMethod'];
 
send_email($mailTo, $mailSubject, $mailmessage, $headers);
}
 
 ?
 
 Sometimes... It is dropping the last $mailmessage line... The payment method 
 in the actual email it sends...
 
 Anyone have any ideas? I'm stumped

Hi there. First thought is perhaps it is not getting a value for 
paymentMethod and if it doesn't exist, will the line still get added?
I would always check to see if every post variable isset, before adding 
the line. Can write a default line in its place if missing.


George Langley
Interactive Developer

RIP, Mr. Jobs.



Re: [PHP] Problem with code...

2011-10-06 Thread Jason Pruim

Jason Pruim
li...@pruimphotography.com



On Oct 6, 2011, at 9:04 PM, George Langley wrote:

 On 2011-10-06, at 6:28 PM, Jason Pruim wrote:
 
 ?PHP
 
 //SETUP VARIABLES
 
 $mailTo = li...@pruimphotography.com;
 $mailFrom = li...@pruimphotography.com;
 //These 2 can be changed IF you know what you are doing and why!
 $returnPath = $mailFrom;
 $replyTo = $mailFrom;
 $mailSubject = New Convention registration!;
 
 $message = ;
 
 //DO NOT CHANGE UNDER PENALITY OF BEING SLAPPED WITH A WET NOODLE!!!
 
 $headers = From: .$mailFrom.\n;
 $headers .= Return-Path: .$returnPath.\n;
 $headers .= Reply-To: .$replyTo.\n;
 
 function send_email($mailTo, $mailSubject, $mailMessage, $headers) {
 
 
   if(mail( $mailTo, $mailSubject, $mailMessage, $headers )) {
 
   $message = Thank you for registering!;
 
   }else {
   echo There was an issue with your registration.. Please try again 
 later;
   }
 
 }//Close Function
 
 
 if(!empty($errorCount)) {
 
 
   }else {
   //Build Email message
   $mailmessage = Full Name:  . $_POST['firstname'] .   . 
 $_POST['lastname'] . \n\n;
   $mailmessage .= Address:  . $_POST['address'] . \n\n;
   $mailmessage .= City, State, Zip:  . $_POST['city'] .   . 
 $_POST['state'] .   . $_POST['zip'] . \n\n;
   $mailmessage .= Phone:  . $_POST['phone'] . \n\n;
   $mailmessage .= Email address:  . $_POST['email'] . \n\n;
   if($_POST['affiliation'] == NFBOther) {
   $mailmessage .= Chapter Affiliation:  . $_POST['other'] . 
 \n\n;
   }else{
   $mailmessage .= Chapter Affiliation:  . 
 $_POST['affiliation'] . \n\n;
   }
   if($_POST['person'] ==Other){
   $mailmessage .= Who will pick up the ticket?  . 
 $_POST['Pfirstname'] .   . $_POST['Llastname'] . \n\n;
 
   }else{
   $mailmessage .= Who will pick up the ticket? I will pick it 
 up my self! \n\n;
 
   }
 
 $mailmessage .= Payment Method:  . $_POST['paymentMethod'];
 
   send_email($mailTo, $mailSubject, $mailmessage, $headers);
   }
 
 ?
 
 Sometimes... It is dropping the last $mailmessage line... The payment method 
 in the actual email it sends...
 
 Anyone have any ideas? I'm stumped
 
   Hi there. First thought is perhaps it is not getting a value for 
 paymentMethod and if it doesn't exist, will the line still get added?
   I would always check to see if every post variable isset, before adding 
 the line. Can write a default line in its place if missing.

The variable is being set with a default value of nothing else... But for some 
reason it's not bringing it through when the form is submitted...

Any other ideas? hehe :)



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Re: [PHP] Problem with code...

2011-10-06 Thread Tommy Pham
On Thu, Oct 6, 2011 at 7:29 PM, Jason Pruim li...@pruimphotography.comwrote:


 Jason Pruim
 li...@pruimphotography.com



 On Oct 6, 2011, at 9:04 PM, George Langley wrote:

  On 2011-10-06, at 6:28 PM, Jason Pruim wrote:
 
  ?PHP
 
  //SETUP VARIABLES
 
  $mailTo = li...@pruimphotography.com;
  $mailFrom = li...@pruimphotography.com;
  //These 2 can be changed IF you know what you are doing and why!
  $returnPath = $mailFrom;
  $replyTo = $mailFrom;
  $mailSubject = New Convention registration!;
 
  $message = ;
 
  //DO NOT CHANGE UNDER PENALITY OF BEING SLAPPED WITH A WET NOODLE!!!
 
  $headers = From: .$mailFrom.\n;
  $headers .= Return-Path: .$returnPath.\n;
  $headers .= Reply-To: .$replyTo.\n;
 
  function send_email($mailTo, $mailSubject, $mailMessage, $headers) {
 
 
if(mail( $mailTo, $mailSubject, $mailMessage, $headers )) {
 
$message = Thank you for registering!;
 
}else {
echo There was an issue with your registration.. Please try again
 later;
}
 
  }//Close Function
 
 
  if(!empty($errorCount)) {
 
 
}else {
//Build Email message
$mailmessage = Full Name:  . $_POST['firstname'] .   .
 $_POST['lastname'] . \n\n;
$mailmessage .= Address:  . $_POST['address'] . \n\n;
$mailmessage .= City, State, Zip:  . $_POST['city'] .   .
 $_POST['state'] .   . $_POST['zip'] . \n\n;
$mailmessage .= Phone:  . $_POST['phone'] . \n\n;
$mailmessage .= Email address:  . $_POST['email'] . \n\n;
if($_POST['affiliation'] == NFBOther) {
$mailmessage .= Chapter Affiliation:  . $_POST['other']
 . \n\n;
}else{
$mailmessage .= Chapter Affiliation:  .
 $_POST['affiliation'] . \n\n;
}
if($_POST['person'] ==Other){
$mailmessage .= Who will pick up the ticket?  .
 $_POST['Pfirstname'] .   . $_POST['Llastname'] . \n\n;
 
}else{
$mailmessage .= Who will pick up the ticket? I will pick
 it up my self! \n\n;
 
}
 
  $mailmessage .= Payment Method:  . $_POST['paymentMethod'];
 
send_email($mailTo, $mailSubject, $mailmessage, $headers);
}
 
  ?
 
  Sometimes... It is dropping the last $mailmessage line... The payment
 method in the actual email it sends...
 
  Anyone have any ideas? I'm stumped
  
Hi there. First thought is perhaps it is not getting a value for
 paymentMethod and if it doesn't exist, will the line still get added?
I would always check to see if every post variable isset, before
 adding the line. Can write a default line in its place if missing.

 The variable is being set with a default value of nothing else... But for
 some reason it's not bringing it through when the form is submitted...

 Any other ideas? hehe :)


Have you tested with the same payment method to see if somewhere in your
code or a hiccup in the server is causing the problem?  Does that happen to
any or certain payment method (including blank entry)?  I'm guessing it may
happen with only certain payment method.  From the line
if(!empty($errorCount)) {, I presume you have a mechanism in place to
sanitize and validate inputs?  I'd suggest you start troubleshooting from
there.  If this is still development phase, try to bypass that mechanism for
a quick confirmation that is causing the problem.

Regards,
Tommy


Re: [PHP] Namespaced code with SabreDAV

2011-10-06 Thread Tommy Pham
On Thu, Oct 6, 2011 at 1:45 PM, Tommy Pham tommy...@gmail.com wrote:

 On Thu, Oct 6, 2011 at 7:37 AM, Andrew Mason slackma...@gmail.com wrote:

 Hello all,
 I am trying to use the wonderful SabreDAV library to create a webdav
 share. I have a demo up and running however the framework / class i'm
 using is namespaced, and SabreDAV unfortunately does not have a 5.3
 style namespace declaration.

 I have an spl_autoload function registered in my base controller and
 so long as I prefix the classname with a \ it all works:


  $rootDirectory = new \Sabre_DAV_FS_Directory($rootDir);

 // The server object is responsible for making sense out of the WebDAV
 protocol
 $server = new \Sabre_DAV_Server($rootDirectory);


 However, SabreDAV it's self has a large amount of other PHP classes
 which it calls which obviously aren't prefixed with '\'

 Is there a way i can tell PHP any class name that get's instanciated
 with 'Sabre_' should resolve to '\Sabre' ?

 Many thanks
 Andrew


 If my memory serves regarding PHP's namespace, you could build something
 like this

 $file = APP_DIR.'\'.$class;
 if( file_exists( $file ) ) require_once $file;

 into your autoloader.  You may have to adjust '/' to/from '\\' depending on
 your platform or you can use the constant DIRECTORY_SEPARATOR in the full
 path to the class.  Then you don't need add \ before your class to
 instantiate.  I don't know how the SabreDAV framework looks like but you may
 want to look at how Zend framework loads their class as to give you some
 idea what you may need to do in your autoload to circumvent SabreDAV being
 not 5.3 namespace declaration.  You may also want to take a look at
 CodeIgniter's autoloading mechanism.

 Regards,
 Tommy


Here's another idea that you could do with the autoloader.  The autoloader
is slightly modified from PureMVC's site to suit my needs.  Using namespace
and everything that's PHP v5.3+, this is part of PureMVC framework that I've
ported over from the original Flash code a while back.

define( 'PMVC_BASE_DIR', str_replace( '\\', '/', __DIR__ ).'/' );
function __autoload( $class )
{
if( stristr( $class, '\\' ) )
{
$file = APP_DIR.str_replace( '\\', '/', $class ).EXT;
if( file_exists( $file ) ) require_once $file;
else  throw new \Exception( 'Unable to find class '.$class.
' in the expected location '.$file );
} else
{
$_basePaths = array(
PMVC_BASE_DIR.'org/puremvc/php/patterns/facade/',
PMVC_BASE_DIR.'org/puremvc/php/interfaces/',
PMVC_BASE_DIR.'org/puremvc/php/core/',
PMVC_BASE_DIR.'org/puremvc/php/patterns/',
PMVC_BASE_DIR.'org/puremvc/php/patterns/command/',
PMVC_BASE_DIR.'org/puremvc/php/patterns/mediator/',
PMVC_BASE_DIR.'org/puremvc/php/patterns/observer/',
PMVC_BASE_DIR.'org/puremvc/php/patterns/proxy/' );
$classPaths = array_merge( explode( PATH_SEPARATOR,
get_include_path() ), $_basePaths );
foreach( $classPaths as $classPath )
{
$path = $classPath.$class.EXT;
if( file_exists( $path ) )
{
require_once $path;
return;
}
}
throw new \Exception( 'Unable to find class '.$class.' in '.
implode( PATH_SEPARATOR, $classPaths ) );
}
}


Re: [PHP] Re: Secure data management

2011-10-06 Thread Govinda
 http://stut.net/2011/09/15/mysql-real-escape-string-is-not-enough/

Hi everyone

I have read many many articles and blog posts in the last few days to bolster 
my (still mostly newbie) understanding of the factors that play in to 
preventing various methods of SQL injection prevention.. and by now I am well 
aware that most everyone (expert) here says prepared statements are the most 
secure method of (string hacking) SQL-injection prevention.. even to the point 
of saying that one common (and at least previously-popular) alternative 
mysql-real-escape-string is ..silly and technically insecure...

I am learning and using the CodeIgniter (CI) framework for my current project 
and, not wanting to leave myself vulnerable, I read posts on the CI forum on 
this topic, to find out if I could (or needed) to use prepared statements in 
CI.. and I read one forum thread where one dev shows how to hack the core 
system of CI so that it can use PDO (for prepared statements) instead of the 
built-in ActiveRecord (or Query Bindings) which apparently rely on 
mysql-real-escape-string.  In that thread, the debate goes back and forth, as 
it does in other threads.. and while the sentiment that prepared statements are 
better because they remove the need to keep being ahead of the char-escaping 
chase...  I never did see any example of *how* mysql-real-escape-string fails.  
The only thing I ever read that does show mysql-real-escape-string possibly 
failing is in the example in this article:

http://shiflett.org/blog/2006/jan/addslashes-versus-mysql-real-escape-string

or rather an article referred to there, here:
http://ilia.ws/archives/103-mysql_real_escape_string-versus-Prepared-Statements.html

..which only comes up in certain circumstances.. 
([snip]..The bottom line while the problem is serious, it would only affect 
people changing character sets from single-byte encodings to multibyte ones. As 
long as you stay away from multibyte encodings, with the exception of UTF8 you 
should be safe...[snip]).

All well and good.  I just wanted to understand, as a relative newbie, why such 
bold seemingly definitive statements are made here on this list in recent 
weeks, like .. escaping doesn't work.. ?

http://marc.info/?l=php-generalm=131293616328301w=2
http://marc.info/?l=php-generalm=131603743606025w=2

  Isn't it that it does work in most cases.. and one just needs to know in 
which cases it can fail, and how to handle things in each case?  I totally get 
the point that prepared statements just remove so much of the head pressure of 
sorting all this out.. BUT when someone (mostly new) like me comes along and 
hears that mysql-real-escape-string is simply not secure, then it just gives 
an unclear and incomplete picture, and creates more head pressure.

Or is there definitive evidence, more recent than the above-mentioned articles, 
that shows how to hack through mysql-real-escape-string even in an SQL 
statement e.g. inserting into a UTF8 db, a properly escaped 
(mysql-real-escape-string) var?

In case my post here is lacking understanding, then please forgive.. and better 
yet, please explain!  I post/ask because I am wanting to SEE the whole 
everything like you few experts here who really know exactly what everyone is 
talking about (or when they are just groping in the dark).

-Govinda
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Re: [PHP] Problem with code...

2011-10-06 Thread tamouse mailing lists
On Thu, Oct 6, 2011 at 7:28 PM, Jason Pruim li...@pruimphotography.com wrote:
 Have a question about this block of code

I'm not seeing anything immediately standing out as a problem.

 Sometimes... It is dropping the last $mailmessage line... The payment method 
 in the actual email it sends...

Can you see if the last line is actually in $mailmessage before
sending the email? Maybe it's somehow getting truncated during the
mail step.

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Fwd: [PHP] Problem with code...

2011-10-06 Thread tamouse mailing lists
On Thu, Oct 6, 2011 at 7:28 PM, Jason Pruim li...@pruimphotography.com wrote:
 Have a question about this block of code

I'm not seeing anything immediately standing out as a problem.

 Sometimes... It is dropping the last $mailmessage line... The payment method 
 in the actual email it sends...

Can you see if the last line is actually in $mailmessage before
sending the email? Maybe it's somehow getting truncated during the
mail step.

*Update:* I just noticed this. The last line has no \r\n termination.
I'm thinking that may be necessary for some mailers/transports/etc?

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