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> Can't please everyone all of the time. Maybe you > didn't get the joke :B > Certainly it had be ROFLMFAO. Well..., to each his own :) Have a nice day! R -- - The faulty interface lies between the chair and the keyboard. - Creativity is great, but plagiarism is faster! - Smile, everyone lo

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On Wed, 2007-08-01 at 04:29 -0700, Ryan A wrote: > > > > Some light humour: > > > > http://www.unm.edu/~humanism/socvsjes.htm > > > > Cheers, > > Rob. > > > Hey, > > I usually find your humour postings pretty funny but > didnt find that in the least bit funny... :( Can't please everyone a

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> > > Some light humour: > > > http://www.unm.edu/~humanism/socvsjes.htm > > I usually find your humour postings pretty funny but didnt find that > > in the least bit funny... :( > Can't please everyone all of the time. Maybe you didn't get the joke :B > Certainly it had be ROFLMFAO. Holy cr

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> > Some light humour: > > http://www.unm.edu/~humanism/socvsjes.htm > > Cheers, > Rob. Hey, I usually find your humour postings pretty funny but didnt find that in the least bit funny... :( Cheers! R -- - The faulty interface lies between the chair and the keyboard. - Creativity

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On Tue, 2007-07-31 at 14:29 -0700, Ryan A wrote: > Hey! > > > > Sorry, couldnt resist, no offense meant ;) > > > > None taken. My beliefs are my beliefs and yours are > > yours > > Yep, and what I said was in jest, and you took it in > jest.End of discussion between us :) > > Am just replying t

Re: [PHP] Re: Pirate PHP books online?

At 9:21 AM -0500 7/31/07, Larry Garfield wrote: Disclaimer: Yes, I was raised by a pair of college history professors. :-) Ahhh, that explains it. Cheers, tedd PS: I'm done. -- --- http://sperling.com http://ancientstones.com http://earthstones.com -- PHP General Mailing List (http

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On 8/1/07, David Powers <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Larry Garfield wrote: > > If a plumber fixes your toilet, he gets paid once. > > A plumber came recently to fix our hot water system. It took him less > than one hour. He got paid about $100. > > > If a writer writes a book, he gets paid n times,

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Larry Garfield wrote: If a plumber fixes your toilet, he gets paid once. A plumber came recently to fix our hot water system. It took him less than one hour. He got paid about $100. If a writer writes a book, he gets paid n times, where n is a (hopefully for him) ever-increasing number.

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Hey! > > Sorry, couldnt resist, no offense meant ;) > > None taken. My beliefs are my beliefs and yours are > yours Yep, and what I said was in jest, and you took it in jest.End of discussion between us :) Am just replying to anyone else who's reading this, please lets not fork this into a god

Re: [PHP] Re: Pirate PHP books online?

Ryan A wrote: Yes, but that's why it's called faith. My point was that it makes no sense to try and prove or demonstrate anything using God because the existance of God itself cannot be proven or demonstrated. Stut, There will be a demonstration of god's existance in a little while, plea

Re: [PHP] Re: Pirate PHP books online?

> >>You have a right to your belief, but that doesn't > make your belief right. > > > >This works both ways. > > Oh yeah, well my dad can beat up your dad. Well, get both your dads together coz my dad can beat both of them up. Reasoning, I'm pretty young compared to most of you guys so my dad i

Re: [PHP] Re: Pirate PHP books online?

> > Yes, but that's why it's called faith. > > My point was that it makes no sense to try and prove > or demonstrate > anything using God because the existance of God > itself cannot be proven > or demonstrated. Stut, There will be a demonstration of god's existance in a little while, pleas

Re: [PHP] Re: Pirate PHP books online?

--- Crayon Shin Chan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Monday 30 July 2007 23:49, tedd wrote: > > > The opposite of BUYING is STEALING > > I think you meant SELLING. > Actually to make things easier just lets add a "NOT" eg: The opposite of BUYING is NOT BUYING Ok, I admit it, am bored and c

Re: [PHP] Re: Pirate PHP books online?

On Tuesday 31 July 2007 22:21, Larry Garfield wrote: > "Commercial publication" didn't exist as a concept until after the > invention of the printing press, which is when copyright was invented > in order to protect the business of the publishers. Presumably you're talking about Europe, because i

Re: [PHP] Re: Pirate PHP books online?

On Tuesday 31 July 2007 21:37, tedd wrote: > Extortion? Are you saying that anyone who owes a copyright is > obtaining money through force or threats? That sounds strange. Wow, it seems you haven't heard of the RIAA and their racketeering. -- Crayon -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php

Re: [PHP] Re: Pirate PHP books online?

On Tuesday 31 July 2007, tedd wrote: > At 7:28 PM -0500 7/30/07, Larry Garfield wrote: > >On Monday 30 July 2007, tedd wrote: > > > What about descendants of the author? When anyone dies, their > >> > >> descendants have a rightful claim on their parent's assets -- it been > >> that way since th

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At 1:50 PM +0100 7/31/07, Stut wrote: tedd wrote: Yes, but that's why it's called faith. My point was that it makes no sense to try and prove or demonstrate anything using God because the existance of God itself cannot be proven or demonstrated. -Stut I wasn't trying to prove anything u

Re: [PHP] Re: Pirate PHP books online?

On Tue, 2007-07-31 at 08:42 -0400, tedd wrote: > At 3:44 PM -0400 7/30/07, Robert Cummings wrote: > >On Mon, 2007-07-30 at 15:33 -0400, tedd wrote: > >> At 8:23 PM +0100 7/30/07, Stut wrote: > >> >tedd wrote: > >> >>At 2:30 PM -0400 7/30/07, Robert Cummings wrote: > >> >>>Ownership is an illusi

Re: [PHP] Re: Pirate PHP books online?

At 7:28 PM -0500 7/30/07, Larry Garfield wrote: On Monday 30 July 2007, tedd wrote: > What about descendants of the author? When anyone dies, their descendants have a rightful claim on their parent's assets -- it been that way since the dawn of mankind. Do you think you know better than the

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tedd wrote: At 8:53 PM +0100 7/30/07, Stut wrote: tedd wrote: > >Don't expect that only one living > >entity can envision such a permutation. Don't expect anyone with our limitations to be capable to determine the truth of that statement. The phone was independently envisioned by two di

Re: [PHP] Re: Pirate PHP books online?

At 8:53 PM +0100 7/30/07, Stut wrote: tedd wrote: > >Don't expect that only one living > >entity can envision such a permutation. Don't expect anyone with our limitations to be capable to determine the truth of that statement. The phone was independently envisioned by two distinct humans

Re: [PHP] Re: Pirate PHP books online?

At 3:44 PM -0400 7/30/07, Robert Cummings wrote: On Mon, 2007-07-30 at 15:33 -0400, tedd wrote: At 8:23 PM +0100 7/30/07, Stut wrote: >tedd wrote: >>At 2:30 PM -0400 7/30/07, Robert Cummings wrote: >>>Ownership is an illusion... What you have may be taken away at anytime >>>by the state (be

Re: [PHP] Re: Pirate PHP books online?

On Tuesday 31 July 2007 02:45, tedd wrote: > Well, when I *use* my neighbor's car without his authorization it's > called "stealing" If your intention was not to keep the car on a permenant basis then you would probably be prosecuted for joyriding rather than stealing. > >How? Nobody is not bei

Re: [PHP] Re: Pirate PHP books online?

On Tuesday 31 July 2007 02:08, tedd wrote: > No, if you want something that you don't have -- you have three > choices: a) go without; b) BUY it; c) STEAL it. Rubbish. You can borrow, lease, hire purchase, rent, and there are probably other options as well. -- Crayon -- PHP General Mailing L

Re: [PHP] Re: Pirate PHP books online? - ENOUGH ALREADY

d its attachments and notify us immediately. > > -Original Message- > > From: Larry Garfield [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Sent: Tuesday, 31 July 2007 10:28 AM > > To: php-general@lists.php.net > > Subject: Re: [PHP] Re: Pirate PHP books online? > >

[PHP] Re: Pirate PHP books online? - ENOUGH ALREADY

From: Larry Garfield [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Tuesday, 31 July 2007 10:28 AM > To: php-general@lists.php.net > Subject: Re: [PHP] Re: Pirate PHP books online? > > On Monday 30 July 2007, tedd wrote: > > > Our entire legal system is built on allowing (granting per

Re: [PHP] Re: Pirate PHP books online?

On Monday 30 July 2007, tedd wrote: > Our entire legal system is built on allowing (granting permission) > certain actions and not allowing (not granting permission) other > actions. > > You do not have permission to steal. And if someone has not granted > you the permission to use their whatever

Re: [PHP] Re: Pirate PHP books online?

On 7/31/07, Larry Garfield <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Monday 30 July 2007, David Powers wrote: > > Larry Garfield wrote: > > > copyright infringement is NOT "taking something > > > without paying for it". Copyright infringement is duplicating "an > > > expression of an idea that is fixed in a

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On Monday 30 July 2007, David Powers wrote: > Larry Garfield wrote: > > copyright infringement is NOT "taking something > > without paying for it". Copyright infringement is duplicating "an > > expression of an idea that is fixed in a medium" without the permission > > of the copyright holder. Mo

Re: [PHP] Re: Pirate PHP books online?

On Mon, 2007-07-30 at 15:44 -0400, tedd wrote: > > > >Don't expect that only one living > > > >entity can envision such a permutation. > >> > >> Don't expect anyone with our limitations to be capable to determine > >> the truth of that statement. > > > >The phone was independently envisioned by

Re: [PHP] Re: Pirate PHP books online?

tedd wrote: > >Don't expect that only one living > >entity can envision such a permutation. Don't expect anyone with our limitations to be capable to determine the truth of that statement. The phone was independently envisioned by two distinct humans at the same time. The same is true of

Re: [PHP] Re: Pirate PHP books online?

> >Don't expect that only one living > >entity can envision such a permutation. Don't expect anyone with our limitations to be capable to determine the truth of that statement. The phone was independently envisioned by two distinct humans at the same time. The same is true of calculus. So

Re: [PHP] Re: Pirate PHP books online?

On Mon, 2007-07-30 at 15:33 -0400, tedd wrote: > At 8:23 PM +0100 7/30/07, Stut wrote: > >tedd wrote: > >>At 2:30 PM -0400 7/30/07, Robert Cummings wrote: > >>>Ownership is an illusion... What you have may be taken away at anytime > >>>by the state (be it your own state or a victorious state that j

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On Mon, 2007-07-30 at 20:35 +0100, Stut wrote: > Robert Cummings wrote: > > On Mon, 2007-07-30 at 20:23 +0100, Stut wrote: > >> tedd wrote: > >>> At 2:30 PM -0400 7/30/07, Robert Cummings wrote: > Ownership is an illusion... What you have may be taken away at anytime > by the state (be it

Re: [PHP] Re: Pirate PHP books online?

Robert Cummings wrote: On Mon, 2007-07-30 at 20:23 +0100, Stut wrote: tedd wrote: At 2:30 PM -0400 7/30/07, Robert Cummings wrote: Ownership is an illusion... What you have may be taken away at anytime by the state (be it your own state or a victorious state that just subjugated your previous

Re: [PHP] Re: Pirate PHP books online?

On Mon, 2007-07-30 at 20:23 +0100, Stut wrote: > tedd wrote: > > At 2:30 PM -0400 7/30/07, Robert Cummings wrote: > >> Ownership is an illusion... What you have may be taken away at anytime > >> by the state (be it your own state or a victorious state that just > >> subjugated your previous state).

Re: [PHP] Re: Pirate PHP books online?

At 8:23 PM +0100 7/30/07, Stut wrote: tedd wrote: At 2:30 PM -0400 7/30/07, Robert Cummings wrote: Ownership is an illusion... What you have may be taken away at anytime by the state (be it your own state or a victorious state that just subjugated your previous state). But illusion all we hav

Re: [PHP] Re: Pirate PHP books online?

On Mon, 2007-07-30 at 15:06 -0400, tedd wrote: > At 2:30 PM -0400 7/30/07, Robert Cummings wrote: > >On Mon, 2007-07-30 at 14:08 -0400, tedd wrote: > >> At 12:50 AM +0800 7/31/07, Crayon Shin Chan > > > > "Render unto Caesar the things which are Caesar's, and > > unto God the things that

Re: [PHP] Re: Pirate PHP books online?

At 7:37 PM +0100 7/30/07, Stut wrote: Crayon Shin Chan wrote: On Monday 30 July 2007 23:49, tedd wrote: The opposite of BUYING is STEALING I think you meant SELLING. I think he meant alternative not opposite. I'd laugh for years if someone tried to defend the position that stealing is the

Re: [PHP] Re: Pirate PHP books online?

tedd wrote: At 2:30 PM -0400 7/30/07, Robert Cummings wrote: Ownership is an illusion... What you have may be taken away at anytime by the state (be it your own state or a victorious state that just subjugated your previous state). But illusion all we have. There is no truth in perception. T

Re: [PHP] Re: Pirate PHP books online?

At 2:30 PM -0400 7/30/07, Robert Cummings wrote: On Mon, 2007-07-30 at 14:08 -0400, tedd wrote: At 12:50 AM +0800 7/31/07, Crayon Shin Chan wrote: >On Monday 30 July 2007 23:49, tedd wrote: > >> The opposite of BUYING is STEALING > >I think you meant SELLING. > >-- >Crayon Crayon:

Re: [PHP] Re: Pirate PHP books online?

At 5:43 PM +0100 7/30/07, Stut wrote: Copyright exists to prevent unauthorised *usage* of material. It does not exist to prevent the unauthorised taking of instances of that material - that's what the laws regarding theft are for. Well, when I *use* my neighbor's car without his authorization

Re: [PHP] Re: Pirate PHP books online?

At 5:46 PM +0100 7/30/07, Stut wrote: tedd wrote: But, the importance here is one of euphemism. Calling the act of stealing something more palatable, such as copyright infringement, simply makes it easier to do. Conversely, calling the act of copyright infringement something less palatable,

Re: [PHP] Re: Pirate PHP books online?

tedd wrote: At 5:46 PM +0100 7/30/07, Stut wrote: tedd wrote: But, the importance here is one of euphemism. Calling the act of stealing something more palatable, such as copyright infringement, simply makes it easier to do. Conversely, calling the act of copyright infringement something les

Re: [PHP] Re: Pirate PHP books online?

Crayon Shin Chan wrote: On Monday 30 July 2007 23:49, tedd wrote: The opposite of BUYING is STEALING I think you meant SELLING. I think he meant alternative not opposite. I'd laugh for years if someone tried to defend the position that stealing is the opposite of buying. Then I'd send the

Re: [PHP] Re: Pirate PHP books online?

On Mon, 2007-07-30 at 14:08 -0400, tedd wrote: > At 12:50 AM +0800 7/31/07, Crayon Shin Chan wrote: > >On Monday 30 July 2007 23:49, tedd wrote: > > > >> The opposite of BUYING is STEALING > > > >I think you meant SELLING. > > > >-- > >Crayon > > Crayon: > > No, if you want something that you do

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with this ridiculous, unhelpful, off-topic nonsense." Regards, Carlton Whitehead - Original Message - From: "tedd" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Crayon Shin Chan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, php-general@lists.php.net Sent: Monday, July 30, 2007 2:08:51 PM (GMT-0500) Ame

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At 12:50 AM +0800 7/31/07, Crayon Shin Chan wrote: On Monday 30 July 2007 23:49, tedd wrote: The opposite of BUYING is STEALING I think you meant SELLING. -- Crayon Crayon: No, if you want something that you don't have -- you have three choices: a) go without; b) BUY it; c) STEAL it.

Re: [PHP] Re: Pirate PHP books online?

On Monday 30 July 2007 23:49, tedd wrote: > The opposite of BUYING is STEALING I think you meant SELLING. -- Crayon -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php

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At 3:14 PM +0100 7/30/07, Stut wrote: This conversation is getting pointless guys. The argument being had is about whether copyright infringement should be called stealing or theft. Personally I don't believe it should, but going back and forth on a public mailing list is not going to do anyone

Re: [PHP] Re: Pirate PHP books online?

tedd wrote: But, the importance here is one of euphemism. Calling the act of stealing something more palatable, such as copyright infringement, simply makes it easier to do. Conversely, calling the act of copyright infringement something less palatable, such as stealing, simply makes it hard

Re: [PHP] Re: Pirate PHP books online?

tedd wrote: At 8:50 PM -0500 7/29/07, Larry Garfield wrote: If copyright infringement were "taking something without paying for it", then anyone who's ever installed PHP is guilty of copyright infringement unless they sent Rasmus a check. That is, of course, nonsense. No, it's not nonsense

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Stut wrote: This conversation is getting pointless guys. I agree that it's going round in circles, and is best left alone. * Nobody thinks copyright infringement is a good thing and nobody is denying that it causes harm to every layer of the commercial chain that exists to create and publish

Re: [PHP] Re: Pirate PHP books online?

At 8:50 PM -0500 7/29/07, Larry Garfield wrote: You can call whatever you want anything you want, but that doesn't make it true. For instance, no, copyright infringement is NOT "taking something without paying for it". Copyright infringement is duplicating "an expression of an idea that is fixe

Re: [PHP] Re: Pirate PHP books online?

David Powers wrote: When somebody distributes copies of my eBooks to others, they break the terms of the licence. They also deprive me of income, as do bit torrent sites that assist in that distribution. It might not be stealing in a strict legal sense, but it results in financial harm to me. S

Re: [PHP] Re: Pirate PHP books online?

Larry Garfield wrote: copyright infringement is NOT "taking something without paying for it". Copyright infringement is duplicating "an expression of an idea that is fixed in a medium" without the permission of the copyright holder. Money doesn't enter into it. If the licence under which th

Re: [PHP] Re: Pirate PHP books online?

On Sunday 29 July 2007, Dotan Cohen wrote: > On 29/07/07, Larry Garfield <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > 1) Something can be illegal without it being theft. The idea that "if > > it's not theft then it must be OK" is the bullshit argument that I am > > pointing out as bullshit. > > That's a valid p

Re: [PHP] Re: Pirate PHP books online?

Really, I had expected more mature commentary from the adults on this list. So did I. I expect adults to display morality and values. Really? Have you hung out with many computer geeks? Oh..wait..morality..I thought you said maturity. Pardon me. :) -- PHP General Mailing List (htt

Re: [PHP] Re: Pirate PHP books online?

On 29/07/07, Larry Garfield <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > 1) Something can be illegal without it being theft. The idea that "if it's > not theft then it must be OK" is the bullshit argument that I am pointing out > as bullshit. That's a valid point, but you are playing lawyer's games. "It's not th

Re: [PHP] Re: Pirate PHP books online?

On Saturday 28 July 2007, Dotan Cohen wrote: > On 28/07/07, tedd <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > >On 28/07/07, Larry Garfield <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > >> If "indirectly affecting the market so that prices change" counts > > >>as stealing, > > >> then Coke and Pepsi build their business model

[PHP] Re: Pirate PHP books online?

On 28/07/07, tedd <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >On 28/07/07, Larry Garfield <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> If "indirectly affecting the market so that prices change" counts > >>as stealing, > >> then Coke and Pepsi build their business models around stealing from each > >> other. > >> > >> Apa

Re: [PHP] Re: Pirate PHP books online?

On 7/26/07, Stut <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Man-wai Chang wrote: > You could open a sample book in bookstores, scan the chapters to > decide whether you are gonna buy it. Not even slightly relevant, but it made me think of this (seemingly neverending) thread. http://xkcd.com/294/ -Stut Haha

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Man-wai Chang wrote: You could open a sample book in bookstores, scan the chapters to decide whether you are gonna buy it. Not even slightly relevant, but it made me think of this (seemingly neverending) thread. http://xkcd.com/294/ -Stut -- http://stut.net/ -- PHP General Mailing List (h

Re: [PHP] Re: Pirate PHP books online?

On 7/26/07, Daniel Brown <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: On 7/26/07, Tijnema <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On 7/26/07, Stut <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Man-wai Chang wrote: > > > You could open a sample book in bookstores, scan the chapters to > > > decide whether you are gonna buy it. > > > > Not e

Re: [PHP] Re: Pirate PHP books online?

On 7/26/07, Tijnema <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: On 7/26/07, Stut <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Man-wai Chang wrote: > > You could open a sample book in bookstores, scan the chapters to > > decide whether you are gonna buy it. > > Not even slightly relevant, but it made me think of this (seemingly >

[PHP] Re: Pirate PHP books online?

Am 2007-07-23 15:56:12, schrieb Sancar Saran: > It was still ripping, They got 18 USD you got 2 USD. This is sucks. I'm not > sure author of Harry Potter acceps same condition. > > You made everyone rich except yourself... From the 18 USD, they payed me the proofreader and helped me to get bette

Re: [PHP] Re: Pirate PHP books online?

On Sat, July 21, 2007 3:40 am, Crayon Shin Chan wrote: > On Saturday 21 July 2007 08:58, Richard Lynch wrote: > >> In the olden days, it often turned into "slash the cover and donate >> it >> and collect tax break", I do believe, but I think that practice was >> decried and has decreased. > > Just

Re: [PHP] Re: Pirate PHP books online?

On 7/24/07, Michelle Konzack <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Am 2007-07-19 19:41:32, schrieb Tijnema: > One word: > Useless! > > The watermark can be easily removed, and the guy who puts in on the > net will simply remove it, and can't be traced :) Not realy except you know the WHOLE original text.

[PHP] Re: Pirate PHP books online?

Am 2007-07-19 19:41:32, schrieb Tijnema: > One word: > Useless! > > The watermark can be easily removed, and the guy who puts in on the > net will simply remove it, and can't be traced :) Not realy except you know the WHOLE original text. I would put some weird (unknown) phrases into the text..

[PHP] Re: Pirate PHP books online?

Am 2007-07-21 00:29:08, schrieb Tijnema: > And it runs the airco in the summer ;) I do not wotk in summer since for 2 years my Dual-Opteron was gone because I had over 48°C im my appartement (no it was not in Marrakech/Morocco but Strasbourg/France) 7000 Euro cooked/burned/fucked! And this with

[PHP] Re: Pirate PHP books online?

Am 2007-07-20 22:15:07, schrieb Tijnema: > Old paper can be recycled, lost energy from computers can't ;) > > Tijnema - END OF REPLIED MESSAGE - Not realy right because I run three Sun Blade with 32 CPU's and with around 100 HDD's each and the Power

[PHP] Re: Pirate PHP books online?

Am 2007-07-21 01:08:39, schrieb Dotan Cohen: > My reference to dead trees was not meant to imply an environmental > reasoning behind my preference. But, if you insist, then the 'lost > energy' is actually heating my workroom in winter. That means that I > don't need to run a heater. Like me in Off

[PHP] Re: Pirate PHP books online?

Am 2007-07-18 12:13:04, schrieb David Powers: > It's also important not to perpetuate the myth that the authors of > computer books are in the same league as JK Rowling or Stephen King. A > book that sells more than 5,000 copies is the exception, not the rule. I am selling over

[PHP] Re: Pirate PHP books online?

Hello Zoltán, Am 2007-07-19 15:14:53, schrieb Zoltán Németh: > I didn't want to get involved in this thread, though it was interesting > to read... > However, an idea just came into my mind: what if you, as the author, > could offer a download for a price which would be the same as what you > get

[PHP] Re: Pirate PHP books online?

Am 2007-07-16 18:52:18, schrieb Man-wai Chang: > > All I'm really saying is that there are a lot of questionable things out > > there, be it pirated software, books, movies and music, or other even > > more deplorable things. These problems will never, ever be solved by > > locking away the means..

Re: [PHP] Re: Pirate PHP books online?

Dotan Cohen wrote: On 21/07/07, Larry Garfield <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Speeding while driving is also an "artificial law" in that regard, as there is no physical law that says a car can only go 30 mph. That doesn't make speeding OK or less illegal, it just means that it is not a natural law

Re: [PHP] Re: Pirate PHP books online?

On 21/07/07, Larry Garfield <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: I never said that "artificial laws" should all be thrown out. They should, however, be understood in their proper context. A physical object can only be in the possession of one person at a time, per the laws of physics. Property law enhan

Re: [PHP] Re: Pirate PHP books online?

On Friday 20 July 2007, Richard Lynch wrote: > On Wed, July 18, 2007 6:35 am, Jay Blanchard wrote: > > [snip] > > Artificially created by the law, yes. > > [/snip] > > > > Just curious, if this artificiality did not exist what could an > > author's > > reasonable expectation be? > > Starvation. I

Re: [PHP] Re: Pirate PHP books online?

On Friday 20 July 2007, Richard Lynch wrote: > >> Perhaps your day job should stop paying you, because after you've > >> spent that time, you'll never get it back? > > > > Is this "make up things that Larry said" day? It must be, because I > > know > > you're not that stupid, Richard. If my boss

Re: [PHP] Re: Pirate PHP books online?

On Saturday 21 July 2007 08:58, Richard Lynch wrote: > In the olden days, it often turned into "slash the cover and donate it > and collect tax break", I do believe, but I think that practice was > decried and has decreased. Just curious, which part was decried: "slash the cover" or "donate it an

RE: [PHP] Re: Pirate PHP books online?

On Wed, July 18, 2007 10:07 pm, tedd wrote: > At 9:19 PM -0500 7/18/07, Jay Blanchard wrote: >> Am I committing copyright infringement by standing in the >>store and reading the book? > > No, because that's allowed. > > The publisher and author has given their permission for the book to > be sold

RE: [PHP] Re: Pirate PHP books online?

On Wed, July 18, 2007 9:19 pm, Jay Blanchard wrote: > [snip] > ...all manner of interesting debate... > [/snip] > > What, exactly, is the difference between this particular brand of > copyright infringement and taking the book from a bookstore without > paying for it? Am I committing copyright in

Re: [PHP] Re: Pirate PHP books online?

On Wed, July 18, 2007 9:40 am, John Meyer wrote: >> There is a very very important difference. Stealing/theft is a >> criminal offence. Copyright infringement is not. For you to be >> prosecuted for copyright infringement the injured party must bring a >> civil case. >> >> This is a fundamental dif

RE: [PHP] Re: Pirate PHP books online?

On Wed, July 18, 2007 6:35 am, Jay Blanchard wrote: > [snip] > Artificially created by the law, yes. > [/snip] > > Just curious, if this artificiality did not exist what could an > author's > reasonable expectation be? Starvation. -- Some people have a "gift" link here. Know what I want? I want

Re: [PHP] Re: Pirate PHP books online?

On Tue, July 17, 2007 9:42 pm, Larry Garfield wrote: > On Tuesday 17 July 2007, Richard Lynch wrote: > >> > Once I have written code or words, the time I have spent on that >> is >> > gone. I >> > will never get that time back, regardless of whether or not I get >> paid >> > for it >> > after the

Re: [PHP] Re: Pirate PHP books online?

At 7:01 PM -0500 7/18/07, Larry Garfield wrote: On Wednesday 18 July 2007, tedd wrote: > And, I've spent enough time in court to know the difference. Apparently not. And how much time have you spent in court? Rhetorical question and not germane to the topic, but I have spent a considerabl

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At 7:05 PM -0500 7/18/07, Larry Garfield wrote: On Wednesday 18 July 2007, tedd wrote: And just because they do, doesn't make it any less accurate either. I don't care if Hitler agreed with me, there is a fundamental wrongful act of taking something that is not yours regardless of what you,

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At 8:48 AM -0500 7/19/07, Larry Garfield wrote: And a side note, while this thread may not have anything to do with PHP code it is vitally important that those involved in the creation and business of information and expression understand copyright law. You don't need to be a professional lawyer

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On Wednesday 18 July 2007, Jay Blanchard wrote: > [snip] > ...all manner of interesting debate... > [/snip] > > What, exactly, is the difference between this particular brand of > copyright infringement and taking the book from a bookstore without > paying for it? Am I committing copyright infringe

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> > It's like defining good and evil -- at some point in the conversation > someone is going to use the words God or satan. > that's rather narrow minded. t. ps. sorry, i just thought i would spam some as well... -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http:/

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At 9:19 PM -0500 7/18/07, Jay Blanchard wrote: Am I committing copyright infringement by standing in the store and reading the book? No, because that's allowed. The publisher and author has given their permission for the book to be sold in a customary and industry fashion, which includes all

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On Wed, 2007-07-18 at 22:57 -0400, tedd wrote: > At 7:05 PM -0500 7/18/07, Larry Garfield wrote: > >On Wednesday 18 July 2007, tedd wrote: > > > >> And just because they do, doesn't make it any less accurate either. I > >> don't care if Hitler agreed with me, there is a fundamental wrongful > >>

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At 7:05 PM -0500 7/18/07, Larry Garfield wrote: On Wednesday 18 July 2007, tedd wrote: And just because they do, doesn't make it any less accurate either. I don't care if Hitler agreed with me, there is a fundamental wrongful act of taking something that is not yours regardless of what you,

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First "Hitler and the Nazis"[1] reference. You lose! Thanks for playing. :-) [1] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Godwin's_Law Dang I didn't know that existed, thanks for the reference now I have something for all my other discussions. ROFLMAO __

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[snip] ...all manner of interesting debate... [/snip] What, exactly, is the difference between this particular brand of copyright infringement and taking the book from a bookstore without paying for it? Am I committing copyright infringement by standing in the store and reading the book? -- PHP

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Larry Garfield wrote: On Wednesday 18 July 2007, tedd wrote: And just because they do, doesn't make it any less accurate either. I don't care if Hitler agreed with me, there is a fundamental wrongful act of taking something that is not yours regardless of what you, and others, may call it.

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Larry Garfield wrote: And here is the crux of the point that I've been making. Information is not property. Property cannot be duplicated ad infinitim. Information can, by its very nature. The concept of "theft" does not apply. The concept of restricting the flow of information is arti

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On Wed, 2007-07-18 at 19:01 -0500, Larry Garfield wrote: > > And here is the crux of the point that I've been making. Information is not > property. Property cannot be duplicated ad infinitim. Yet! When you get down to it... 1s, 0s, and subatomic particles have a lot in common. Cheers, Rob. -

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On Wednesday 18 July 2007, tedd wrote: > And just because they do, doesn't make it any less accurate either. I > don't care if Hitler agreed with me, there is a fundamental wrongful > act of taking something that is not yours regardless of what you, and > others, may call it. First "Hitler and th

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On Wednesday 18 July 2007, tedd wrote: > >There is no such thing as copyright theft. There is such a thing as > >copyright infringement. > > No one is saying otherwise. Except you. > I don't care what you call it, taking something that is not yours is > stealing. False. > If an employer hires

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