[PHP] Any point in learning ASP/JSP etc?
Or is PHP the be-all and end all? I know its strong points, but what are the WEAK points of PHP? - seb -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To contact the list administrators, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [PHP] Any point in learning ASP/JSP etc?
At 01:10 AM 8/23/01 +0100, you wrote: Or is PHP the be-all and end all? I know its strong points, but what are the WEAK points of PHP? - seb PHP isn't default on Microsoft systems You have to learn a new language for PHP: ASP is basically either VBScript or JScript around some objects. To answer the question in your subject line, I think that if you were interested in programming, you should want to learn any new technology that you could. Plus, the more languages, the more employable, I would think. -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To contact the list administrators, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: [PHP] Any point in learning ASP/JSP etc?
Ah ha, but am I better off becoming a PHP guru or a jackofalltrades-notverygoodatanyofthem kind of person ;-) Well I've never used scripting of any sort before PHP, just c++ really. I'll stick to php i guess (for now). - seb -Original Message- From: John Meyer [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: 23 August 2001 02:13 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [PHP] Any point in learning ASP/JSP etc? At 01:10 AM 8/23/01 +0100, you wrote: Or is PHP the be-all and end all? I know its strong points, but what are the WEAK points of PHP? - seb PHP isn't default on Microsoft systems You have to learn a new language for PHP: ASP is basically either VBScript or JScript around some objects. To answer the question in your subject line, I think that if you were interested in programming, you should want to learn any new technology that you could. Plus, the more languages, the more employable, I would think. -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To contact the list administrators, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To contact the list administrators, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: [PHP] Any point in learning ASP/JSP etc?
Seb, I think the answer, tho it may not be a great one, is to become a jackofalltrades-verygoodatallofthem kind of person if you truly want to make yourself stand out... Whether you love php or not, you have to respect the power it gives you and the ease with which you can develop with it. However, it isn't the end all language. No one would ever make that claim. If you truly want to become a good programmer, then you should be able to look at a problem, understand what you need, and then pick a language from your arsenal. You could be Rasmus, but if your boss will not accept PHP, and you don't know anything else, you're stuck... I know what you mean about being good at one, or know many. I myself have taken the latter approach. My Java skills aren't nearly as good as a full time java programmer, but then again, I can look at C++/Java/Perl/PHP code,understand it, and work with it...the fulltime mono-language coder may not know the first thing about the last two. So, ideally, know everything from C to Ruby well...but until then, get good at what you can, and always try to learn more. My $.02, Jack -Original Message- From: Seb Frost [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, August 22, 2001 8:29 PM To: John Meyer; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [PHP] Any point in learning ASP/JSP etc? Ah ha, but am I better off becoming a PHP guru or a jackofalltrades-notverygoodatanyofthem kind of person ;-) Well I've never used scripting of any sort before PHP, just c++ really. I'll stick to php i guess (for now). - seb -Original Message- From: John Meyer [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: 23 August 2001 02:13 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [PHP] Any point in learning ASP/JSP etc? At 01:10 AM 8/23/01 +0100, you wrote: Or is PHP the be-all and end all? I know its strong points, but what are the WEAK points of PHP? - seb PHP isn't default on Microsoft systems You have to learn a new language for PHP: ASP is basically either VBScript or JScript around some objects. To answer the question in your subject line, I think that if you were interested in programming, you should want to learn any new technology that you could. Plus, the more languages, the more employable, I would think. -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To contact the list administrators, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To contact the list administrators, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To contact the list administrators, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: [PHP] Any point in learning ASP/JSP etc?
At 01:29 AM 8/23/01 +0100, you wrote: Ah ha, but am I better off becoming a PHP guru or a jackofalltrades-notverygoodatanyofthem kind of person ;-) I don't know. I've learned both PHP and ASP, and neither of them have decreased the other in terms of learning. The fact is, you are going to learn what you are going to learn. If you want to go with PHP only, that's your choice. -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To contact the list administrators, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: [PHP] Any point in learning ASP/JSP etc?
I would say that depends on what platform you wish to market yourself on. Being of *nix mind... PHP works beautifully for virtually all aspects of Web based scripting, and personally i use it for a vast majority of server scripting as well. And if not, it isn't a far cry from Perl syntax and train of thought... Then again, i personally wouldn't touch a windows box for the purpose of web server/web hosting, and as such my background is perl/PHP and like minded shell scripting. Ah ha, but am I better off becoming a PHP guru or a jackofalltrades-notverygoodatanyofthem kind of person ;-) Well I've never used scripting of any sort before PHP, just c++ really. I'll stick to php i guess (for now). Or is PHP the be-all and end all? If you are a creative thinker, pretty much... I know its strong points, but what are the WEAK points of PHP? PHP isn't default on Microsoft systems MS!=good web platform IMO so I wouldn't judge that to be a weak point You have to learn a new language for PHP: ASP is basically either VBScript or JScript around some objects. I know I wasn't born with inate knowledge of VBScript or JScript, so one would have to learn those anyway. To answer the question in your subject line, I think that if you were interested in programming, you should want to learn any new technology that you could. Plus, the more languages, the more employable, I would think. Some kid coming out of 3 years of school with a mitful of languages that they were introduced to is no better off that the same kid who spent 3 years learning the ins and outs just PHP or ASP... just means that one has a poor chance of getting an entry level job at either camp(MS/*nix)... the other has a slightly better chance of getting hired at only one. And the desire to learn new and interesting things is always tempered by the limited time to perfect ones chosen skillset. In short, your best bet is to choose a camp... MS based or *nix based... master what is popular in the one you choose. Dave -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To contact the list administrators, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [PHP] Any point in learning ASP/JSP etc?
I have learned (and used) both PHP and ASP. However, when I was beginning with PHP, I always made it first on ASP then re-implemented on PHP. I always found PHP to be easier, shorter (but more powerful) logic (scripts are shorter than ASP). I guess it has served me well, I have learned to do it the HARD way and then learn to do it easier and in a short time with PHP. I guess it is the experience you have with programming: all the tinkering, discoveries of unusual command and function behaviors (c'mon we ALL have been tru this!), OS and web server particularities, etc. That's the kind of background any employer would like to know and I have to agree with John in that point. I specialize in PHP and MySQL on Windows NT/2K with IIS/Apache. I know it's impossible to be good in everything, but at least knowing a good piece from each is not bad either. For example, you don't have to be Picasso to paint a house! I have to admit, that not all people have the *aptitude* to do this type of work, that's what makes the difference between exceptional individuals and plain Joes. I can't judge myself on what type I am, or believe that I'm something I may not be, that's a judgement others have to take about me. I just do my best to be on the exceptionals list. my 2 cents. John Meyer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... At 01:29 AM 8/23/01 +0100, you wrote: Ah ha, but am I better off becoming a PHP guru or a jackofalltrades-notverygoodatanyofthem kind of person ;-) I don't know. I've learned both PHP and ASP, and neither of them have decreased the other in terms of learning. The fact is, you are going to learn what you are going to learn. If you want to go with PHP only, that's your choice. -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To contact the list administrators, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
