Re: [PHP] PHP IDE needed
Though vim is not a so-called IDE, actually it's quite handy. On Wed, Aug 27, 2008 at 1:06 PM, Sascha Braun [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote: Hi people, I have a webproject which is round about 3 GB in size. I was usually using eclipse to work with the software but over time eclipse became very instable regarding that project. As soon as I open classes with 2000 or more lines of code in it, an out of memory error occours. So I need a new IDE for linux. Please tell me which IDE might be a true alternative for projects at that size. Thank you friends, kind regards, Sascha -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php -- With best regards, Shelley Shyan http://phparch.cn
Re: [PHP] PHP IDE needed
2008/8/28 Shelley [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Though vim is not a so-called IDE, actually it's quite handy. And as PHP is not [generally] compiled, no IDE is needed. VIM is great, and for a GUI text editor I use Kate. Note that there will soon be a VIM mode in Kate! I cannot wait! -- Dotan Cohen http://what-is-what.com http://gibberish.co.il א-ב-ג-ד-ה-ו-ז-ח-ט-י-ך-כ-ל-ם-מ-ן-נ-ס-ע-ף-פ-ץ-צ-ק-ר-ש-ת ä-ö-ü-ß-Ä-Ö-Ü
Re: [PHP] PHP IDE needed
On 28 Aug 2008, at 11:57, Dotan Cohen wrote: 2008/8/28 Shelley [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Though vim is not a so-called IDE, actually it's quite handy. And as PHP is not [generally] compiled, no IDE is needed. VIM is great, and for a GUI text editor I use Kate. Note that there will soon be a VIM mode in Kate! I cannot wait! What does compilation have to do with it? C/C++ are rarely interpreted but that certainly doesn't dictate a need for an IDE. This question comes up so often it's painful, but I don't think I've ever actually answered it. I use TextMate most of the time, Coda for remote projects and occasionally Zend Studio when I need to step through code. I've also gone through phases of using vi, vim, pico, nano, emacs, epsilon, kate, notepad(!), notepad2, aptana, eclipse, and many more I can't remember. It's text, use what works for you. I recently made the mistake of putting over 100k fairly small data files into the tree for my current project and it completely killed TextMate. Best option for lots of files or very large files is to disable any automatic scanning your editor does. You may lose some of the nice-to-have features like code completion but to me that's a small price to pay for being able to do anything at all. -Stut -- http://stut.net/ -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] PHP IDE needed
Please tell me which IDE might be a true alternative for projects at that size. Don't know for sure, but you can try Netbeans for PHP : http://php.netbeans.org/ kind regards, Brice Favre Thank you friends, kind regards, Sascha -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] PHP IDE needed
2008/8/28 Stut [EMAIL PROTECTED]: And as PHP is not [generally] compiled, no IDE is needed. VIM is great, and for a GUI text editor I use Kate. Note that there will soon be a VIM mode in Kate! I cannot wait! What does compilation have to do with it? C/C++ are rarely interpreted but that certainly doesn't dictate a need for an IDE. Non-compiled languages need only a text editor. Text editors have features such as code completion, library reference, code highlighting, code folding, multiple document interface, etc. Compiled languages need a compiler. Cooperation between the compiler and the text editor is done in an IDE. That's what the I in _Integrated_ Development Environment means. If you don't need to integrate with anything (specifically, a compiler) then you don't need an integrated development environment. This question comes up so often it's painful, but I don't think I've ever actually answered it. I use TextMate most of the time, Coda for remote projects and occasionally Zend Studio when I need to step through code. I've also gone through phases of using vi, vim, pico, nano, emacs, epsilon, kate, notepad(!), notepad2, aptana, eclipse, and many more I can't remember. It's text, use what works for you. I've also rarely answered this question, and I don't know why I spoke up today. -- Dotan Cohen http://what-is-what.com http://gibberish.co.il א-ב-ג-ד-ה-ו-ז-ח-ט-י-ך-כ-ל-ם-מ-ן-נ-ס-ע-ף-פ-ץ-צ-ק-ר-ש-ת ä-ö-ü-ß-Ä-Ö-Ü
Re: [PHP] PHP IDE needed
On Thu, Aug 28, 2008 at 8:59 AM, Dotan Cohen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 2008/8/28 Stut [EMAIL PROTECTED]: And as PHP is not [generally] compiled, no IDE is needed. VIM is great, and for a GUI text editor I use Kate. Note that there will soon be a VIM mode in Kate! I cannot wait! What does compilation have to do with it? C/C++ are rarely interpreted but that certainly doesn't dictate a need for an IDE. Non-compiled languages need only a text editor. Text editors have features such as code completion, library reference, code highlighting, code folding, multiple document interface, etc. Compiled languages need a compiler. Cooperation between the compiler and the text editor is done in an IDE. That's what the I in _Integrated_ Development Environment means. If you don't need to integrate with anything (specifically, a compiler) then you don't need an integrated development environment. This question comes up so often it's painful, but I don't think I've ever actually answered it. I use TextMate most of the time, Coda for remote projects and occasionally Zend Studio when I need to step through code. I've also gone through phases of using vi, vim, pico, nano, emacs, epsilon, kate, notepad(!), notepad2, aptana, eclipse, and many more I can't remember. It's text, use what works for you. I've also rarely answered this question, and I don't know why I spoke up today. -- Dotan Cohen http://what-is-what.com http://gibberish.co.il א-ב-ג-ד-ה-ו-ז-ח-ט-י-ך-כ-ל-ם-מ-ן-נ-ס-ע-ף-פ-ץ-צ-ק-ר-ש-ת ä-ö-ü-ß-Ä-Ö-Ü Well, while that is true about compiling, you're forgetting about other things inside of an IDE, such as debugging. Yes, you can just pull up a web browser or run the script at command line, but the debugger also has the stepping features and break points that can make debugging a whole lot easier and quicker. -- -Dan Joseph www.canishosting.com - Plans start @ $1.99/month. Build a man a fire, and he will be warm for the rest of the day. Light a man on fire, and will be warm for the rest of his life.
Re: [PHP] PHP IDE needed
On 28 Aug 2008, at 13:59, Dotan Cohen wrote: 2008/8/28 Stut [EMAIL PROTECTED]: And as PHP is not [generally] compiled, no IDE is needed. VIM is great, and for a GUI text editor I use Kate. Note that there will soon be a VIM mode in Kate! I cannot wait! What does compilation have to do with it? C/C++ are rarely interpreted but that certainly doesn't dictate a need for an IDE. Non-compiled languages need only a text editor. Text editors have features such as code completion, library reference, code highlighting, code folding, multiple document interface, etc. Compiled languages need a compiler. Cooperation between the compiler and the text editor is done in an IDE. That's what the I in _Integrated_ Development Environment means. If you don't need to integrate with anything (specifically, a compiler) then you don't need an integrated development environment. The point I was trying to make which I apparently didn't do very well was that the need for an IDE has nothing to do with whether the language you're using is compiled or interpreted, but instead with what you want from your development tools. You can develop with C++ without an IDE in exactly the same way as you can with PHP. All you're doing is replacing the PHP interpreter with a C++ compiler. That extra tool is still needed, but integration with an editor is entirely optional. And thanks for the tasty eggs! -Stut -- http://stut.net/ -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] PHP IDE needed
2008/8/28 Dan Joseph [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Well, while that is true about compiling, you're forgetting about other things inside of an IDE, such as debugging. Yes, you can just pull up a web browser or run the script at command line, but the debugger also has the stepping features and break points that can make debugging a whole lot easier and quicker. Dan, you are right. A debugger most certainly makes it an IDE. As I don't use a debugger I never really paid attention to their existence. I stand corrected. -- Dotan Cohen http://what-is-what.com http://gibberish.co.il א-ב-ג-ד-ה-ו-ז-ח-ט-י-ך-כ-ל-ם-מ-ן-נ-ס-ע-ף-פ-ץ-צ-ק-ר-ש-ת ä-ö-ü-ß-Ä-Ö-Ü
Re: [PHP] PHP IDE needed
2008/8/28 Stut [EMAIL PROTECTED]: And thanks for the tasty eggs! Eggs? I've obviously missed something. So long, and thanks for all the fish! -- Dotan Cohen http://what-is-what.com http://gibberish.co.il א-ב-ג-ד-ה-ו-ז-ח-ט-י-ך-כ-ל-ם-מ-ן-נ-ס-ע-ף-פ-ץ-צ-ק-ר-ש-ת ä-ö-ü-ß-Ä-Ö-Ü
Re: [PHP] PHP IDE needed
That's an opinion that you state as fact. I use an IDE for PHP for function referencing is very PHP. The open declaration feature is very helpful in eclipse. Also, subeclipse is great too. Thank you, Micah Gersten onShore Networks Internal Developer http://www.onshore.com Dotan Cohen wrote: Non-compiled languages need only a text editor. Text editors have features such as code completion, library reference, code highlighting, code folding, multiple document interface, etc. Compiled languages need a compiler. Cooperation between the compiler and the text editor is done in an IDE. That's what the I in _Integrated_ Development Environment means. If you don't need to integrate with anything (specifically, a compiler) then you don't need an integrated development environment. This question comes up so often it's painful, but I don't think I've ever actually answered it. I use TextMate most of the time, Coda for remote projects and occasionally Zend Studio when I need to step through code. I've also gone through phases of using vi, vim, pico, nano, emacs, epsilon, kate, notepad(!), notepad2, aptana, eclipse, and many more I can't remember. It's text, use what works for you. I've also rarely answered this question, and I don't know why I spoke up today. -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] PHP IDE needed
2008/8/28 Micah Gersten [EMAIL PROTECTED]: That's an opinion that you state as fact. You must be new here :) -- Dotan Cohen http://what-is-what.com http://gibberish.co.il א-ב-ג-ד-ה-ו-ז-ח-ט-י-ך-כ-ל-ם-מ-ן-נ-ס-ע-ף-פ-ץ-צ-ק-ר-ש-ת ä-ö-ü-ß-Ä-Ö-Ü
Re: [PHP] PHP IDE needed
I've been on the list for over a month and I post quite a bit. I do the same thing apparently. See 'Re: [PHP] Re: Variable name as a string' thread. :-) Thank you, Micah Gersten onShore Networks Internal Developer http://www.onshore.com Dotan Cohen wrote: 2008/8/28 Micah Gersten [EMAIL PROTECTED]: That's an opinion that you state as fact. You must be new here :)
Re: [PHP] PHP IDE needed
2008/8/28 Micah Gersten [EMAIL PROTECTED]: You must be new here :) I've been on the list for over a month and I post quite a bit. It is an internet meme for those who express surprise at some old internet habits. Probably most familiar to readers of /.. It was meant as an in-joke, with absolutely no offense intended. Quite the opposite, it is most often said to veterans. -- Dotan Cohen http://what-is-what.com http://gibberish.co.il א-ב-ג-ד-ה-ו-ז-ח-ט-י-ך-כ-ל-ם-מ-ן-נ-ס-ע-ף-פ-ץ-צ-ק-ר-ש-ת ä-ö-ü-ß-Ä-Ö-Ü
Re: [PHP] PHP IDE needed
Shelley a écrit : Though vim is not a so-called IDE, actually it's quite handy. Actually, it is. An IDE is a glue between a set of tools. Vim provides every services you need, and it is scriptable. -- Mickaël Wolff aka Lupus Michaelis http://lupusmic.org -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] PHP IDE needed
I really like zend studio for eclipse, debugger is slow at times on large projects. I hope, zend said they won't, is provide xdebug support for zend studio. I also really like working with mylyn. --Brendon On Aug 27, 2008, at 1:06 AM, Sascha Braun wrote: Hi people, I have a webproject which is round about 3 GB in size. I was usually using eclipse to work with the software but over time eclipse became very instable regarding that project. As soon as I open classes with 2000 or more lines of code in it, an out of memory error occours. So I need a new IDE for linux. Please tell me which IDE might be a true alternative for projects at that size. Thank you friends, kind regards, Sascha -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] PHP IDE needed
use Aptana its awesome and free as well. thanks On Tue, Aug 26, 2008 at 8:29 PM, Micah Gersten [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: How much RAM do you have? Eclipse is a great IDE. Have you upgraded to 3.4? Thank you, Micah Gersten onShore Networks Internal Developer http://www.onshore.com Sascha Braun wrote: Hi people, I have a webproject which is round about 3 GB in size. I was usually using eclipse to work with the software but over time eclipse became very instable regarding that project. As soon as I open classes with 2000 or more lines of code in it, an out of memory error occours. So I need a new IDE for linux. Please tell me which IDE might be a true alternative for projects at that size. Thank you friends, kind regards, Sascha -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] PHP IDE needed
VamVan wrote: use Aptana its awesome and free as well. thanks And it's Eclipse as well :-) -Shawn -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
[PHP] PHP IDE needed
Hi people, I have a webproject which is round about 3 GB in size. I was usually using eclipse to work with the software but over time eclipse became very instable regarding that project. As soon as I open classes with 2000 or more lines of code in it, an out of memory error occours. So I need a new IDE for linux. Please tell me which IDE might be a true alternative for projects at that size. Thank you friends, kind regards, Sascha -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] PHP IDE needed
How much RAM do you have? Eclipse is a great IDE. Have you upgraded to 3.4? Thank you, Micah Gersten onShore Networks Internal Developer http://www.onshore.com Sascha Braun wrote: Hi people, I have a webproject which is round about 3 GB in size. I was usually using eclipse to work with the software but over time eclipse became very instable regarding that project. As soon as I open classes with 2000 or more lines of code in it, an out of memory error occours. So I need a new IDE for linux. Please tell me which IDE might be a true alternative for projects at that size. Thank you friends, kind regards, Sascha -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] PHP ide?
Lester Caine wrote: Peter Ford wrote: I've tried to use Eclipse PDT, and it's just generally horrible - the All-in-one has no Subversion support and no SSH support for deploying to the server properly. The debugging support worked well on the windows version, but I couldn't get it to work from Linux (with the same web server...) And the look and feel is so crowded and over-complicated. Yuck. Well PDT is the 'commercial' offering from Zend since they hijacked the PHP slot :( PHPEclipse is much tidier and has a longer pedigree. Subversion and SSH are OTHER packages and part of Eclipse not the PHP editor. And the look and feel is fully configurable, but it does take a while to work out how. Quanta+ can do this (mostly) right, although I have had some trouble with debugging. But you can't handle the legacy C++ code with that ;) OK, I'm looking at the PHPEclipse site, and I've been here before: the current Using PHPEclipse document lists the system requirements as PHP 5.1.2 or *below*, and Apache 2.0 or *below* Is that just badly out-of-date (last update is April 2007), or is PHPEclipse really not able to support PHP 5.2.4 and Apache 2.2.4 (my current system levels)? -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] PHP ide?
OK, I'm looking at the PHPEclipse site, and I've been here before: the current Using PHPEclipse document lists the system requirements as PHP 5.1.2 or *below*, and Apache 2.0 or *below* Is that just badly out-of-date (last update is April 2007), or is PHPEclipse really not able to support PHP 5.2.4 and Apache 2.2.4 (my current system levels)? Ask the phpeclipse guys, they write the requirements and will be able to tell you what's going on with that. -- Postgresql php tutorials http://www.designmagick.com/ -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] PHP ide?
I've tried to use Eclipse PDT, and it's just generally horrible - the All-in-one has no Subversion support and no SSH support for deploying to the server properly. The debugging support worked well on the windows version, but I couldn't get it to work from Linux (with the same web server...) And the look and feel is so crowded and over-complicated. Yuck. Quanta+ can do this (mostly) right, although I have had some trouble with debugging. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Andrew Peterson wrote: I'll try installed it again with none of the other nonsense. PDT has the so called ALL-IN-ONE thing, however I don't really trust it. I would suggest the following - a) Be sure you have the latest Java. b) Get the normal, traditional Eclipse. c) Update it (Help Software updates Find and install Search for updates of the currently installed features). Repeat if needed. d) Go to Help Software updates Find and install Search for new features to install and add the PDT site (http://download.eclipse.org/tools/pdt/updates/). Check the PDT site and the Europa Discovery Site and click Finish (I haven't done it for a while, so could be something has changed there). When you get the result, the Update manager might complain that PDT depends on something. In this case unfold the Europa Discovery Site result (by clicking the +, if you do not unfold it the next step might not work) and click the Select Required button. This should select the minimum you need. Let me know if you run into a trouble and I'll try to send you reproducible steps. And again, Eclipse is Java, so you need a decent machine. Iv -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
RE: [PHP] PHP ide?
It has, but you should install them manually... Try help- Software updates - Find and install... Regards, Shelley -Original Message- From: Peter Ford [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, November 12, 2007 5:24 PM To: php-general@lists.php.net Subject: Re: [PHP] PHP ide? I've tried to use Eclipse PDT, and it's just generally horrible - the All-in-one has no Subversion support and no SSH support for deploying to the server properly. The debugging support worked well on the windows version, but I couldn't get it to work from Linux (with the same web server...) And the look and feel is so crowded and over-complicated. Yuck. Quanta+ can do this (mostly) right, although I have had some trouble Quanta+ with debugging. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Andrew Peterson wrote: I'll try installed it again with none of the other nonsense. PDT has the so called ALL-IN-ONE thing, however I don't really trust it. I would suggest the following - a) Be sure you have the latest Java. b) Get the normal, traditional Eclipse. c) Update it (Help Software updates Find and install Search for updates of the currently installed features). Repeat if needed. d) Go to Help Software updates Find and install Search for new features to install and add the PDT site (http://download.eclipse.org/tools/pdt/updates/). Check the PDT site and the Europa Discovery Site and click Finish (I haven't done it for a while, so could be something has changed there). When you get the result, the Update manager might complain that PDT depends on something. In this case unfold the Europa Discovery Site result (by clicking the +, if you do not unfold it the next step might not work) and click the Select Required button. This should select the minimum you need. Let me know if you run into a trouble and I'll try to send you reproducible steps. And again, Eclipse is Java, so you need a decent machine. Iv -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] PHP ide?
Peter Ford wrote: I've tried to use Eclipse PDT, and it's just generally horrible - the All-in-one has no Subversion support and no SSH support for deploying to the server properly. The debugging support worked well on the windows version, but I couldn't get it to work from Linux (with the same web server...) And the look and feel is so crowded and over-complicated. Yuck. Well PDT is the 'commercial' offering from Zend since they hijacked the PHP slot :( PHPEclipse is much tidier and has a longer pedigree. Subversion and SSH are OTHER packages and part of Eclipse not the PHP editor. And the look and feel is fully configurable, but it does take a while to work out how. Quanta+ can do this (mostly) right, although I have had some trouble with debugging. But you can't handle the legacy C++ code with that ;) -- Lester Caine - G8HFL - Contact - http://home.lsces.co.uk/lsces/wiki/?page=contact L.S.Caine Electronic Services - http://home.lsces.co.uk MEDW - http://home.lsces.co.uk/ModelEngineersDigitalWorkshop/ Firebird - http://www.firebirdsql.org/index.php -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] PHP ide?
On Fri, Nov 09, 2007 at 01:44:19PM +, Lester Caine wrote: Tiago Silva wrote: Lester Caine escreveu: Robert Cummings wrote: Ubuntu = Debian + New Life Mandriva has Eclipse and PHPEclipse 'out of the box' along with Apache and PHP I can build a fully functional development machine from a pile of bits in under an hour ;) And currently that includes downloading the latest updates :) I use an OS called Windows Vista :-P hahahha crap(I use openSuse... ;-) ) Guys, talking about features of distributions is a looping question...it's a vicious endless thing... let's talk about PHP ide's ok? I use eclipse, with PHPEclipse it's fullfeatured for PHP, look, FOR PHP! The good programmer don't need a full featured IDE, like Delphi for PHP and anyothers that wrap you behind the scenes... Not had to bother with vista yet - in fact a lot of my hardware intensive stuff simply will not run on it :( BUT the best thing about Eclipse is that it runs the same on windows as Linux, so I don't have to have different environments on each. I just run a local CSV server and sync things between the two environments. And now I can move stuff that was originally developed on Windows over to Linux - or replace it with PHP powered stuff :) Hi all... in the past i'd worked for a web development company. We had some Windows, some MacOSX and some Linux workstations and a central Dedian development server. The best solution to work with an IDE was the use of Eclipse with the needed plugins. On every machine the same environment for development and the individual stuff for design/grafix and more. No problems with a central subversion/CVS repo and a NFS/Samba share for the apache document root on the devel server. regards Mario -- - | havelsoft.com - Ihr Service Partner für Open Source | | Tel: 033876-21 966 | | Notruf: 0173-277 33 60 | | http://www.havelsoft.com| | | | Inhaber: Mario Günterberg | | Mützlitzer Strasse 19 | | 14715 Märkisch Luch | - signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: [PHP] PHP ide? OT
On Friday 09 November 2007 02:05:32 you wrote: On Fri, 2007-11-09 at 01:03 +0100, Børge Holen wrote: oh no, I wasn't hinting your way, I more or less commented on tersus beeing eclipse. It's like the ubunty hype, witch fails to state on the homepage: we're practically NOTHING without debian. Ubuntu = Debian + New Life you know, thats what I call BS. if something fails to do anything by itself.. it should've stayed @ home. Just look at patches and fixes. They only deliver when the debian maintainers 've a fix ready, and between 2 days to a week for the maintainers to get it into their own pool. The reason is simple... Hype! they sell a product witch claims to be more or less a lifestyle of simplicity like osx, however maintenance is a bitch who noone wants to ride, and the few who works on buntu rather sell the new stuff than fixing bogus, tiresome and lenghty faults on imported programs. Just for the sake of some rich dude that feels he need a momentum. I'm really getting it out now, cleaning the pipes you can say. Lol, Debian has a release cycle of 2 to 3 years. Ubuntu has a release cycle of 6 months. Personally I like the fast and furious releases when it's for my desktop. As for server needs... Debian is a better call for it's stabilty. Either way you comment It's like the ubunty hype, witch fails to state on the homepage: we're practically NOTHING without debian is a bit silly since Debian doesn't state we're practically nothing without the Linux kernel and GNU software. We are talking distributions here, not os. Debian supports all these underdogs, but ubuntu is the hyped saviour. I also fail to the whatever the release cycle got to do with... anything? You install once, shortly thereafter you just upgrade now and then. You want release cycles, go for the nighly builds. Count them, don't complain because the debian team fail to see the importance of release cycles. I can take a woody cd install and given the speed of this 100mbit line and 1.67 ghz ppc, I would say 30~40 minutes later I would be running sid. Now that would be fast and furious for you eh? I bet I actually got all the new packages... like ff apache any sql whatever on my testing approximatly 1 week before you got in on ubuntu. They are sickly dependable on all the debian devs to fix their shit and keep theyre hype. But I'll give you a taste of what both do say: Debian: Debian is a free operating system (OS) for your computer. An operating system is the set of basic programs and utilities that make your computer run. Debian uses the Linux kernel (the core of an operating system), but most of the basic OS tools come from the GNU project; hence the name GNU/Linux. Ubuntu: Ubuntu is a community developed, linux-based operating system that is perfect for laptops, desktops and servers. It contains all the applications you need - a web browser, presentation, document and spreadsheet software, instant messaging and much more. Everybody loves raymond. Now analysis of the blurbs reveals that Debian attributes the Linux Kernel and GNU whereas Ubuntu attributes the community at large. Ask yourself which statement is more inclusive :) Community can easily be taken to include the kernel community, the GNU community, the Debian community and any other groups contributing. I'm sure this is the spirit in which the word community is used. Whereas the Debian blurb is more restrictive in it's interpretation. But don't get me wrong, I'm in no way pointing fingers at Debian, they probably have more attributions elsehwere as does Ubuntu. I just think it's silly to argue that Ubuntu owes everything to Debian when Ubuntu, Debian, GNU, the Linux Kernel, etc are all standing upon the shoulders of giants. And those giants are the community of individuals and organizations that give their time and resources to make it happen. There's nothing stopping Debian from integrating things in Ubuntu, that's the spirit of open source and sharing. Why would debian intergrate things in ubuntu, they run ubuntus show right now. Thats why all the ubuntu ppl are harrassing the debian mailinglist... oh wait, much like this. Time to get back to work... cheers btw =D Cheers, Rob. -- --- Børge Holen http://www.arivene.net -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] PHP ide?
Robert Cummings wrote: Ubuntu = Debian + New Life Mandriva has Eclipse and PHPEclipse 'out of the box' along with Apache and PHP I can build a fully functional development machine from a pile of bits in under an hour ;) And currently that includes downloading the latest updates :) -- Lester Caine - G8HFL - Contact - http://home.lsces.co.uk/lsces/wiki/?page=contact L.S.Caine Electronic Services - http://home.lsces.co.uk MEDW - http://home.lsces.co.uk/ModelEngineersDigitalWorkshop/ Firebird - http://www.firebirdsql.org/index.php -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] PHP ide?
Tiago Silva wrote: Lester Caine escreveu: Robert Cummings wrote: Ubuntu = Debian + New Life Mandriva has Eclipse and PHPEclipse 'out of the box' along with Apache and PHP I can build a fully functional development machine from a pile of bits in under an hour ;) And currently that includes downloading the latest updates :) I use an OS called Windows Vista :-P hahahha crap(I use openSuse... ;-) ) Guys, talking about features of distributions is a looping question...it's a vicious endless thing... let's talk about PHP ide's ok? I use eclipse, with PHPEclipse it's fullfeatured for PHP, look, FOR PHP! The good programmer don't need a full featured IDE, like Delphi for PHP and anyothers that wrap you behind the scenes... Not had to bother with vista yet - in fact a lot of my hardware intensive stuff simply will not run on it :( BUT the best thing about Eclipse is that it runs the same on windows as Linux, so I don't have to have different environments on each. I just run a local CSV server and sync things between the two environments. And now I can move stuff that was originally developed on Windows over to Linux - or replace it with PHP powered stuff :) -- Lester Caine - G8HFL - Contact - http://home.lsces.co.uk/lsces/wiki/?page=contact L.S.Caine Electronic Services - http://home.lsces.co.uk MEDW - http://home.lsces.co.uk/ModelEngineersDigitalWorkshop/ Firebird - http://www.firebirdsql.org/index.php -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
RE: [PHP] PHP ide? Back On Topic
But I highly doubt you'll find a first-class PHP code IDE (Zend Studio) that is also a first-class HTML layout tool (Dreamweaver). My 2006 rant said I'll accept multiple tools. I'll have to find that post and see if my needs have changed. Ahh here: I am looking for a tool (or tools) that can do the following: Use a Model Driven Architecture (Ex. Gentleware's just model concept and Applied Models' the model is the program concept) UML (Ex. Sun Java Studio Enterprise) Generate Database from UML (Ex. Umbrello) Generate Classes from UML (Ex. Umbrello/Sun Java Studio Enterprise -- backend classes) UI Design (Ex. Netbeans Matisse -- frontend classes) Integrate AJAX toolkits (Ex. Aptana/Dojo/jMaki) Separate application code from presentation, Model-View-Controller (Ex. Smarty/symfony) Deploy/Convert to HTML/Javascript (Ex. Google Web Toolkit/Visual Web Developer 2005 Express Edition -- design in Design view and have automatic code generated in code behind Source view) Code Refactoring (Ex. Sun Java Studio Enterprise/Netbeans) The above tools do some part of the workflow I want, but they do not play well together as far as I know (usually because they are based on a specific language or dialect of that language). And some do not have a web application as the deployment target. Then you don't want to be working in HTML. True. With the ongoing browser wars, let vendors like Yahoo and YUI handle that layer. And let's start getting some decent requirements http://www.serena.com/products/prototype-composer/home.html and http://www.visual-paradigm.com/ Okay okay, maybe I'm advancing myself out of a job. _ Help yourself to FREE treats served up daily at the Messenger Café. Stop by today. http://www.cafemessenger.com/info/info_sweetstuff2.html?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_OctWLtagline -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
[PHP] PHP ide?
Just wondering if anyone uses an IDE and if so what ones? Ta, H. -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
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Eclipse with PDT plugin Scite. Not quite an IDE per-se, but still very very good and extremely versatile. IDE of champions ;) That somewhat subjective... :) -- Richard Heyes +44 (0)800 0213 172 http://www.websupportsolutions.co.uk Knowledge Base and HelpDesk software that can cut the cost of online support -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
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Darryl Ware wrote: Eclipse with PDT plugin I still prefer PHPEclise and Eclipse handles a lot of my documentation management and other development tools so just one 'IDE' to play with -- Lester Caine - G8HFL - Contact - http://home.lsces.co.uk/lsces/wiki/?page=contact L.S.Caine Electronic Services - http://home.lsces.co.uk MEDW - http://home.lsces.co.uk/ModelEngineersDigitalWorkshop/ Firebird - http://www.firebirdsql.org/index.php -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] PHP ide?
2007. 11. 8, csütörtök keltezéssel 10.58-kor Lester Caine ezt írta: Darryl Ware wrote: Eclipse with PDT plugin I still prefer PHPEclise and Eclipse handles a lot of my documentation management and other development tools so just one 'IDE' to play with for me EasyEclipse for PHP greets Zoltán Németh -- Lester Caine - G8HFL - Contact - http://home.lsces.co.uk/lsces/wiki/?page=contact L.S.Caine Electronic Services - http://home.lsces.co.uk MEDW - http://home.lsces.co.uk/ModelEngineersDigitalWorkshop/ Firebird - http://www.firebirdsql.org/index.php -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
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Zend Studio or PHPEd Regards, Shelley -Original Message- From: Hulf [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, November 08, 2007 6:02 PM To: php-general@lists.php.net Subject: [PHP] PHP ide? Just wondering if anyone uses an IDE and if so what ones? Ta, H. -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
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Eclipse with PDT plugin IDE of champions ;) Hulf wrote: Just wondering if anyone uses an IDE and if so what ones? Ta, H. -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
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Andrew Peterson wrote: Does anyone else find the Eclipse programs run EXTREMELY slow? Maybe there's some sort of configuration I'm missing. -Andrew Eclipse is Java based. You need a decent machine and decent amount of RAM. More tips - a) Install only what you need Eclipse is a universe of things written by different people and you can easily find yourself running tons of stuff that arrived as dependencies. It used to take me a while to figure out how to install what I need without installing what I don't need. In the latest version of Eclipse this became easier, especially using the Europa Discovery site. b) Try alternative ways of doing things For instance committing a file using the Subclipse perspective takes forever (on a large project) - it seems the Subclipse perspective updates the whole project after the commit. Committing the same file from within the PDT perspective takes seconds. c) I/O access is critical PDT does a lot of thing on save, for example. Slow I/O (hard drive) or concurrent access may slow your Eclipse a lot. Apart from that Eclipse is excellent and is improving. Iv -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
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Hulf wrote: Just wondering if anyone uses an IDE and if so what ones? Ta, H. Eclipse w/ PDT is great. Excellent integration with Subversion (Subclipse). Shows the changed files in the file browser, extremely easy diff, history, etc. Iv -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
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George Pitcher wrote: I used Eclipse a few years ago when I was pretending to be a java developer. I use Eclipse for 1 1/2 year now and just lately it became nice for what I need (decent PDT, decent Subclipse). Can't imagine what it looked like few years ago. Since then I've mainly been using Dreamweaver, which works well with Smarty, and the 30-odd sites I manage. How easy would it be for me to move my existing PHP sites into Eclipse, or do they need to be started off as projects? I stopped using Dreamweaver at version 4 which had so many bugs they never fixed, even in 4.01. Don't know how it has progressed since then. Basically Eclipse does nothing to the code. It adds two folders .project and .settings to the project and needs somewhere to store non-project settings. So there is nothing much to be moved. For me the most powerful features are (no idea how Dreamweaver does that) - a) Powerful integration between PDT and Subversion (or CVS, if you prefer). You see the version information in the file browser, in the search results, everywhere. b) Powerful Subversion integration (Subclipse). Diffs across the history, branches, tags, etc., are done with 2-3 clicks. c) Powerful local history. Eclipse can be configured to remember massively local changes, so if you mess up something, you can go back basically second by second and minute by minute and see what you did when. d) Powerful search. PDT understands php so if you are looking for a function or a method - it takes zero time to find it even in a huge project. Eclipse remembers all searches you have done and dynamically updates the search result when you change files, so you can switch between different search result with one click. e) Outline. You have both current file and project outline showing you all classes, methods, properties, constants - for one click access. f) ... There is so much more, I have to write a book to tell you everything. The best of all is that it's free in a big way - it's backed by IBM, etc. and there are tons of powerful projects that develop Eclipse modules. All this does not mean you will be happier with Eclipse. The habit is a big thing and if you know Dreamweaver, you may be happier to stay there. Plus, Eclipse need some effort to be discovered, it is unconventional thing and at first one does know where to start. But since I use it, the good surprises haven't stopped, and the pleasure to know that there are more on the way is a nice thing to have. Iv -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
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George Pitcher wrote: Apart from that Eclipse is excellent and is improving. I used Eclipse a few years ago when I was pretending to be a java developer. Since then I've mainly been using Dreamweaver, which works well with Smarty, and the 30-odd sites I manage. How easy would it be for me to move my existing PHP sites into Eclipse, or do they need to be started off as projects? Moving them in is a doddle. I'm adding external PHP packages to workspace all the time and the fault reporting in PHPEclipse often highlights problems that were not easy to track otherwise. But never having used Dreamwaever I don't know if you loose anything? -- Lester Caine - G8HFL - Contact - http://home.lsces.co.uk/lsces/wiki/?page=contact L.S.Caine Electronic Services - http://home.lsces.co.uk MEDW - http://home.lsces.co.uk/ModelEngineersDigitalWorkshop/ Firebird - http://www.firebirdsql.org/index.php -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
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Andrew Peterson wrote: I'll try installed it again with none of the other nonsense. PDT has the so called ALL-IN-ONE thing, however I don't really trust it. I would suggest the following - a) Be sure you have the latest Java. b) Get the normal, traditional Eclipse. c) Update it (Help Software updates Find and install Search for updates of the currently installed features). Repeat if needed. d) Go to Help Software updates Find and install Search for new features to install and add the PDT site (http://download.eclipse.org/tools/pdt/updates/). Check the PDT site and the Europa Discovery Site and click Finish (I haven't done it for a while, so could be something has changed there). When you get the result, the Update manager might complain that PDT depends on something. In this case unfold the Europa Discovery Site result (by clicking the +, if you do not unfold it the next step might not work) and click the Select Required button. This should select the minimum you need. Let me know if you run into a trouble and I'll try to send you reproducible steps. And again, Eclipse is Java, so you need a decent machine. Iv -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
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Apart from that Eclipse is excellent and is improving. I used Eclipse a few years ago when I was pretending to be a java developer. Since then I've mainly been using Dreamweaver, which works well with Smarty, and the 30-odd sites I manage. How easy would it be for me to move my existing PHP sites into Eclipse, or do they need to be started off as projects? Cheers George -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] PHP ide? OT
On Friday 09 November 2007 01:03:13 Børge Holen wrote: On Friday 09 November 2007 00:47:56 you wrote: On Fri, 2007-11-09 at 00:28 +0100, Børge Holen wrote: On Friday 09 November 2007 00:03:32 Instruct ICC wrote: Just wondering if anyone uses an IDE and if so what ones? Ta, H. Quanta +, of course. Other is to much work and not worth the effort... I really cannot see what so many of you guys see in eclipse, it's a mistake all together I use JOE of course. I really can't see what so many of you guys see in an IDE :B I'm waiting for Tersus4PHP (which is basically Eclipse http://www.tersus.com -- Go there with FF) umm yeah right, some create and some steal and brag bout em discoveries they've made to save the f* day. ;D Not mine. But if you do Java, that's your bogey. oh no, I wasn't hinting your way, I more or less commented on tersus beeing eclipse. It's like the ubunty hype, witch fails to state on the homepage: we're practically NOTHING without debian. Ubuntu = Debian + New Life you know, thats what I call BS. if something fails to do anything by itself.. it should've stayed @ home. Just look at patches and fixes. They only deliver when the debian maintainers 've a fix ready, and between 2 days to a week for the maintainers to get it into their own pool. The reason is simple... Hype! they sell a product witch claims to be more or less a lifestyle of simplicity like osx, however maintenance is a bitch who noone wants to ride, and the few who works on buntu rather sell the new stuff than fixing bogus, tiresome and lenghty faults on imported programs. Just for the sake of some rich dude that feels he need a momentum. momento that is I'm really getting it out now, cleaning the pipes you can say. Cheers, Rob. -- --- Børge Holen http://www.arivene.net -- --- Børge Holen http://www.arivene.net -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] PHP ide? OT
On Friday 09 November 2007 00:47:56 you wrote: On Fri, 2007-11-09 at 00:28 +0100, Børge Holen wrote: On Friday 09 November 2007 00:03:32 Instruct ICC wrote: Just wondering if anyone uses an IDE and if so what ones? Ta, H. Quanta +, of course. Other is to much work and not worth the effort... I really cannot see what so many of you guys see in eclipse, it's a mistake all together I use JOE of course. I really can't see what so many of you guys see in an IDE :B I'm waiting for Tersus4PHP (which is basically Eclipse http://www.tersus.com -- Go there with FF) umm yeah right, some create and some steal and brag bout em discoveries they've made to save the f* day. ;D Not mine. But if you do Java, that's your bogey. oh no, I wasn't hinting your way, I more or less commented on tersus beeing eclipse. It's like the ubunty hype, witch fails to state on the homepage: we're practically NOTHING without debian. Ubuntu = Debian + New Life you know, thats what I call BS. if something fails to do anything by itself.. it should've stayed @ home. Just look at patches and fixes. They only deliver when the debian maintainers 've a fix ready, and between 2 days to a week for the maintainers to get it into their own pool. The reason is simple... Hype! they sell a product witch claims to be more or less a lifestyle of simplicity like osx, however maintenance is a bitch who noone wants to ride, and the few who works on buntu rather sell the new stuff than fixing bogus, tiresome and lenghty faults on imported programs. Just for the sake of some rich dude that feels he need a momentum. I'm really getting it out now, cleaning the pipes you can say. Cheers, Rob. -- --- Børge Holen http://www.arivene.net -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] PHP ide?
On Fri, 2007-11-09 at 00:28 +0100, Børge Holen wrote: On Friday 09 November 2007 00:03:32 Instruct ICC wrote: Just wondering if anyone uses an IDE and if so what ones? Ta, H. Quanta +, of course. Other is to much work and not worth the effort... I really cannot see what so many of you guys see in eclipse, it's a mistake all together I use JOE of course. I really can't see what so many of you guys see in an IDE :B I'm waiting for Tersus4PHP (which is basically Eclipse http://www.tersus.com -- Go there with FF) umm yeah right, some create and some steal and brag bout em discoveries they've made to save the f* day. ;D Not mine. But if you do Java, that's your bogey. oh no, I wasn't hinting your way, I more or less commented on tersus beeing eclipse. It's like the ubunty hype, witch fails to state on the homepage: we're practically NOTHING without debian. Ubuntu = Debian + New Life Cheers, Rob. -- ... SwarmBuy.com - http://www.swarmbuy.com Leveraging the buying power of the masses! ... -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] PHP ide?
On Friday 09 November 2007 00:03:32 Instruct ICC wrote: Just wondering if anyone uses an IDE and if so what ones? Ta, H. Quanta +, of course. Other is to much work and not worth the effort... I really cannot see what so many of you guys see in eclipse, it's a mistake all together I use JOE of course. I really can't see what so many of you guys see in an IDE :B I'm waiting for Tersus4PHP (which is basically Eclipse http://www.tersus.com -- Go there with FF) umm yeah right, some create and some steal and brag bout em discoveries they've made to save the f* day. ;D Not mine. But if you do Java, that's your bogey. oh no, I wasn't hinting your way, I more or less commented on tersus beeing eclipse. It's like the ubunty hype, witch fails to state on the homepage: we're practically NOTHING without debian. _ Boo! Scare away worms, viruses and so much more! Try Windows Live OneCare! http://onecare.live.com/standard/en-us/purchase/trial.aspx?s_cid=wl_hotmail news -- --- Børge Holen http://www.arivene.net -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
RE: [PHP] PHP ide?
Just wondering if anyone uses an IDE and if so what ones? Ta, H. Quanta +, of course. Other is to much work and not worth the effort... I really cannot see what so many of you guys see in eclipse, it's a mistake all together I use JOE of course. I really can't see what so many of you guys see in an IDE :B I'm waiting for Tersus4PHP (which is basically Eclipse http://www.tersus.com -- Go there with FF) umm yeah right, some create and some steal and brag bout em discoveries they've made to save the f* day. ;D Not mine. But if you do Java, that's your bogey. _ Boo! Scare away worms, viruses and so much more! Try Windows Live OneCare! http://onecare.live.com/standard/en-us/purchase/trial.aspx?s_cid=wl_hotmailnews
RE: [PHP] PHP ide?
On Thu, 2007-11-08 at 21:47 +0100, Børge Holen wrote: On Thursday 08 November 2007 11:02:07 Hulf wrote: Just wondering if anyone uses an IDE and if so what ones? Ta, H. Quanta +, of course. Other is to much work and not worth the effort... I really cannot see what so many of you guys see in eclipse, it's a mistake all together I use JOE of course. I really can't see what so many of you guys see in an IDE :B I'm waiting for Tersus4PHP (which is basically Eclipse http://www.tersus.com -- Go there with FF) _ Boo! Scare away worms, viruses and so much more! Try Windows Live OneCare! http://onecare.live.com/standard/en-us/purchase/trial.aspx?s_cid=wl_hotmailnews
Re: [PHP] PHP ide?
On Thursday 08 November 2007 11:02:07 Hulf wrote: Just wondering if anyone uses an IDE and if so what ones? Ta, H. Quanta +, of course. Other is to much work and not worth the effort... I really cannot see what so many of you guys see in eclipse, it's a mistake all together -- --- Børge Holen http://www.arivene.net -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] PHP ide? OT
On Fri, 2007-11-09 at 01:03 +0100, Børge Holen wrote: oh no, I wasn't hinting your way, I more or less commented on tersus beeing eclipse. It's like the ubunty hype, witch fails to state on the homepage: we're practically NOTHING without debian. Ubuntu = Debian + New Life you know, thats what I call BS. if something fails to do anything by itself.. it should've stayed @ home. Just look at patches and fixes. They only deliver when the debian maintainers 've a fix ready, and between 2 days to a week for the maintainers to get it into their own pool. The reason is simple... Hype! they sell a product witch claims to be more or less a lifestyle of simplicity like osx, however maintenance is a bitch who noone wants to ride, and the few who works on buntu rather sell the new stuff than fixing bogus, tiresome and lenghty faults on imported programs. Just for the sake of some rich dude that feels he need a momentum. I'm really getting it out now, cleaning the pipes you can say. Lol, Debian has a release cycle of 2 to 3 years. Ubuntu has a release cycle of 6 months. Personally I like the fast and furious releases when it's for my desktop. As for server needs... Debian is a better call for it's stabilty. Either way you comment It's like the ubunty hype, witch fails to state on the homepage: we're practically NOTHING without debian is a bit silly since Debian doesn't state we're practically nothing without the Linux kernel and GNU software. But I'll give you a taste of what both do say: Debian: Debian is a free operating system (OS) for your computer. An operating system is the set of basic programs and utilities that make your computer run. Debian uses the Linux kernel (the core of an operating system), but most of the basic OS tools come from the GNU project; hence the name GNU/Linux. Ubuntu: Ubuntu is a community developed, linux-based operating system that is perfect for laptops, desktops and servers. It contains all the applications you need - a web browser, presentation, document and spreadsheet software, instant messaging and much more. Now analysis of the blurbs reveals that Debian attributes the Linux Kernel and GNU whereas Ubuntu attributes the community at large. Ask yourself which statement is more inclusive :) Community can easily be taken to include the kernel community, the GNU community, the Debian community and any other groups contributing. I'm sure this is the spirit in which the word community is used. Whereas the Debian blurb is more restrictive in it's interpretation. But don't get me wrong, I'm in no way pointing fingers at Debian, they probably have more attributions elsehwere as does Ubuntu. I just think it's silly to argue that Ubuntu owes everything to Debian when Ubuntu, Debian, GNU, the Linux Kernel, etc are all standing upon the shoulders of giants. And those giants are the community of individuals and organizations that give their time and resources to make it happen. There's nothing stopping Debian from integrating things in Ubuntu, that's the spirit of open source and sharing. Cheers, Rob. -- ... SwarmBuy.com - http://www.swarmbuy.com Leveraging the buying power of the masses! ... -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] PHP ide?
On Thu, 2007-11-08 at 21:47 +0100, Børge Holen wrote: On Thursday 08 November 2007 11:02:07 Hulf wrote: Just wondering if anyone uses an IDE and if so what ones? Ta, H. Quanta +, of course. Other is to much work and not worth the effort... I really cannot see what so many of you guys see in eclipse, it's a mistake all together I use JOE of course. I really can't see what so many of you guys see in an IDE :B Cheers, Rob. -- ... SwarmBuy.com - http://www.swarmbuy.com Leveraging the buying power of the masses! ... -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] PHP ide?
On Thursday 08 November 2007 23:33:07 Instruct ICC wrote: On Thu, 2007-11-08 at 21:47 +0100, Børge Holen wrote: On Thursday 08 November 2007 11:02:07 Hulf wrote: Just wondering if anyone uses an IDE and if so what ones? Ta, H. Quanta +, of course. Other is to much work and not worth the effort... I really cannot see what so many of you guys see in eclipse, it's a mistake all together I use JOE of course. I really can't see what so many of you guys see in an IDE :B I'm waiting for Tersus4PHP (which is basically Eclipse http://www.tersus.com -- Go there with FF) umm yeah right, some create and some steal and brag bout em discoveries they've made to save the f* day. ;D _ Boo! Scare away worms, viruses and so much more! Try Windows Live OneCare! http://onecare.live.com/standard/en-us/purchase/trial.aspx?s_cid=wl_hotmail news -- --- Børge Holen http://www.arivene.net -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
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Sorry for the crap below. I think it's MS Hotmail not playing nice with Safari. Eclipse and Netbeans (now it may look like I'm pushing Java) have offerings to allow us developers to build upon -- not just apps, but tools. I think that's a good thing. Don't reinvent the wheel is another good practice to build upon the work of others. Where would this forum be without the web? Where would the web be without the internet? Where would the internet be without Al Gore? ;-P Where would Debian be without Linus? Where would Linus be without GNU? Blah blah blah...electricity You see where I'm going. From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: php-general@lists.php.net Date: Fri, 9 Nov 2007 00:28:59 +0100 Subject: Re: [PHP] PHP ide? On Friday 09 November 2007 00:03:32 Instruct ICC wrote: Just wondering if anyone uses an IDE and if so what ones? Ta, H. Quanta +, of course. Other is to much work and not worth the effort... I really cannot see what so many of you guys see in eclipse, it's a mistake all together I use JOE of course. I really can't see what so many of you guys see in an IDE :B I'm waiting for Tersus4PHP (which is basically Eclipse http://www.tersus.com -- Go there with FF) umm yeah right, some create and some steal and brag bout em discoveries they've made to save the f* day. ;D Not mine. But if you do Java, that's your bogey. oh no, I wasn't hinting your way, I more or less commented on tersus beeing eclipse. It's like the ubunty hype, witch fails to state on the homepage: we're practically NOTHING without debian. _ Boo! Scare away worms, viruses and so much more! Try Windows Live OneCare! http://onecare.live.com/standard/en-us/purchase/trial.aspx?s_cid=wl_hotmailnews -- --- Børge Holen http://www.arivene.net -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php _ Climb to the top of the charts! Play Star Shuffle: the word scramble challenge with star power. http://club.live.com/star_shuffle.aspx?icid=starshuffle_wlmailtextlink_oct -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
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On Thu, 2007-11-08 at 19:06 -0800, Instruct ICC wrote: Sorry for the crap below. I think it's MS Hotmail not playing nice with Safari. Eclipse and Netbeans (now it may look like I'm pushing Java) have offerings to allow us developers to build upon -- not just apps, but tools. I think that's a good thing. Don't reinvent the wheel is another good practice to build upon the work of others. Where would this forum be without the web? Where would the web be without the internet? Where would the internet be without Al Gore? ;-P Where would Debian be without Linus? Where would Linus be without GNU? Blah blah blah...electricity You see where I'm going. You forgot Adam and Eve ;) Cheers, Rob. -- ... SwarmBuy.com - http://www.swarmbuy.com Leveraging the buying power of the masses! ... -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
RE: [PHP] PHP ide? Back On Topic
Do you pay for Ubuntu? Maybe a support package? Earlier this week I was pissed at Adobe Dreamweaver CS3 and their developers. And I began thinking that the major difference between open source software (free as in no $ outa my pocket) and retail closed source software is that maybe, just maybe, I have someone to complain to about their bugs in the retail case, and should just be thankful I have an ordered set of bits given to me for free in the open source case that sometimes gets the job done (not to mention sometimes getting support, community, knowledge, etc.). I tend to fall back to DW -- currently CS3, but I'm always looking around. It crashed on a paste attempt after a simple plain text copy. The DW 8 developers didn't know how to use threads (and threads were hyped in that version). They would run a thread to block my current requested action to do something locally by doing something remote (which I state again, I did not request. If you insist on doing the remote action which I didn't request, it's perfect for a thread, so please put it in the background.) I think I prefered DW MX 2004 over DW MX. 8 had a nice fold your source wherever you want feature though. I was interested in CS3 for the Spry, but it's weak. Back to basic hand coding with YUI, Scriptaculous, Xajax, etc. using DW basically as an editor and FTP client. Oh and Crimson Editor when I was on MS Windows for Perl files which DW couldn't deal with. I use Xcode on the Mac for Perl files now. I should also start using Xcode for PHP projects. My (perceived) problem is that I need a tool that helps me do my job well, but not so well that it looks like I can be replaced. I'm telling you that Tersus scares me [and I will not tell my employer about it LOL]. gi.tibco.com will be my next real evaluation for an IDE at work. At home I'll spend my time on Tersus. Except I'm into a project at home now that is easier if I use what I know. I just looked at Eclipse PDT (due to this topic and its posts). It looks like a text editor with possible project grouping of files. What do I gain by using it? Aptana is okay for Ajaxy javascript and html (and I think PHP). It's Eclipse again though LOL. I just don't like when I feel constrained and can't absolutely place a widget (like you can in MS Visual Basic). Netbeans Matisse (it has a new name now) can do it, but it deploys to Java. Delphi for PHP (retail product) looks good, but its MS Windows only. And although I can use a VM, I'd rather stay away from MS products. Sun Java Studio Creator can, but it's Java again. What do you want in an integrated development environment? I would expect Zend Studio to be _the_ PHP IDE, but it doesn't meet what I want in an IDE. I want to just model like Gentleware's Poseidon. Maybe some UML; maybe just Tersus. I want to refactor like Sun Java Studio Enterprise. I want to layout my GUI like VB, Matisse, and Apple's Interface Builder. I want to remote debug like Zend Studio. I have an extensive list I made in 2006 that would make this post even longer. So I know I'm missing some features. And I want it all for free as in beer and no $ out of my pocket (to use personally). Well, if neccessary, I'll also have the company pay for it and expect to be able to use it at home like the DW licenses. And I'll still be looking around for the next best thing. From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: php-general@lists.php.net Date: Fri, 9 Nov 2007 01:03:13 +0100 Subject: Re: [PHP] PHP ide? OT On Friday 09 November 2007 00:47:56 you wrote: On Fri, 2007-11-09 at 00:28 +0100, Børge Holen wrote: On Friday 09 November 2007 00:03:32 Instruct ICC wrote: Just wondering if anyone uses an IDE and if so what ones? Ta, H. Quanta +, of course. Other is to much work and not worth the effort... I really cannot see what so many of you guys see in eclipse, it's a mistake all together I use JOE of course. I really can't see what so many of you guys see in an IDE :B I'm waiting for Tersus4PHP (which is basically Eclipse http://www.tersus.com -- Go there with FF) umm yeah right, some create and some steal and brag bout em discoveries they've made to save the f* day. ;D Not mine. But if you do Java, that's your bogey. oh no, I wasn't hinting your way, I more or less commented on tersus beeing eclipse. It's like the ubunty hype, witch fails to state on the homepage: we're practically NOTHING without debian. Ubuntu = Debian + New Life you know, thats what I call BS. if something fails to do anything by itself.. it should've stayed @ home. Just look at patches and fixes. They only deliver when the debian maintainers 've a fix ready, and between 2 days to a week for the maintainers to get it into their own pool. The reason is simple... Hype! they sell a product witch claims to be more or less a lifestyle of simplicity like osx, however maintenance is a bitch who noone wants to ride
RE: [PHP] PHP ide?
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Re: [PHP] PHP ide? Back On Topic
On Thursday 08 November 2007, Instruct ICC wrote: Do you pay for Ubuntu? Maybe a support package? Earlier this week I was pissed at Adobe Dreamweaver CS3 and their developers. And I began thinking that the major difference between open source software (free as in no $ outa my pocket) and retail closed source software is that maybe, just maybe, I have someone to complain to about their bugs in the retail case, and should just be thankful I have an ordered set of bits given to me for free in the open source case that sometimes gets the job done (not to mention sometimes getting support, community, knowledge, etc.). In my case, it's entirely different. Too many proprietary software companies are locking down their software too far for me to be comfortable with. DRM, product activation, region coding, forced-subscriptions... The more you tighten your grip, Tarkin, the more software users will slip through your fingers. There's still a very small number of non-free programs I use, but they're being replaced as quickly as I can with something open source and at least passable. I simply don't trust code that tries to fight me. *snip lots of talk about Dreamweaver et al* I just looked at Eclipse PDT (due to this topic and its posts). It looks like a text editor with possible project grouping of files. What do I gain by using it? Aptana is okay for Ajaxy javascript and html (and I think PHP). It's Eclipse again though LOL. I just don't like when I feel constrained and can't absolutely place a widget (like you can in MS Visual Basic). If you want to absolutely control layout, don't bother designing for the web. :-) Netbeans Matisse (it has a new name now) can do it, but it deploys to Java. Delphi for PHP (retail product) looks good, but its MS Windows only. And although I can use a VM, I'd rather stay away from MS products. Sun Java Studio Creator can, but it's Java again. What do you want in an integrated development environment? I would expect Zend Studio to be _the_ PHP IDE, but it doesn't meet what I want in an IDE. That's because Zend Studio (which is one of the few proprietary programs that I feel tempted to use personally, as I use it at work and love it) is a programmer's IDE. It's for people writing code. From the sound of it, you're looking for a designer's IDE, for doing things graphically. There's nothing wrong with that, mind you. Not in the least. But it's a different sort of task, and requires a different sort of tool. I want to just model like Gentleware's Poseidon. Maybe some UML; maybe just Tersus. I want to refactor like Sun Java Studio Enterprise. I want to layout my GUI like VB, Matisse, and Apple's Interface Builder. Then you don't want to be working in HTML. I want to remote debug like Zend Studio. That is easily my #1 favorite feature. :-) The only worthwhile context-sensitive code-assistance I've yet to find would be a close second. But I highly doubt you'll find a first-class PHP code IDE (Zend Studio) that is also a first-class HTML layout tool (Dreamweaver). -- Larry Garfield AIM: LOLG42 [EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ: 6817012 If nature has made any one thing less susceptible than all others of exclusive property, it is the action of the thinking power called an idea, which an individual may exclusively possess as long as he keeps it to himself; but the moment it is divulged, it forces itself into the possession of every one, and the receiver cannot dispossess himself of it. -- Thomas Jefferson -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
[PHP] php ide type scripts
Hi, Newbie learning php here. Does anyone (have|know where I can get) a set of html and php files to automate script and form writing? What I want is an html file with forms, drop down boxes, check boxes etc, that will allow me to quickly|automatically construct php and html code to run on my server. For instance, a template generator: to create a new file with the script directive for scripts I want to run from the shell and output plain text. to create a new file with html tags for server-scripts which will output html formatting to create scraps of code for function declarations, or control flow structures, using text boxes on an html form to name variables and set values, outputting the fully constructed scraps into another text area from which I can cut and paste into a main script. I don't want anything too complicated such as a fully blown graphical IDE that will take me a long time to learn. Cheers, Malcolm. -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] php ide type scripts
Malcolm, It's called a learning curve, and is necessary to know the mechanics of the language. If you try to short-circuit it, you'll forever be wondering How'd that happen? Just prepare some simple scripts and try them out, or use something like ColdFusion and be resigned to forever working in CF. Trust me on this - I tried to short-circuit dBase II by using Fox Geller's templating engine, except that because it had to be so general to handle every scenario, it wrote v. inefficient code. (It also wrote buggy code, and by the time you worked out their approach to programming you could have written the thing yourself.) And I've used a number of frameworks since; all have their pitfalls, usually because they have to be so general. So, work with the tutorials on the PHP site and use them as stepping stone to help you through that swamp labelled Slough of Stuff I Don't Know to the Uplands of Competency. Have fun - Miles Thompson At 11:13 AM 12/15/2004, Malcolm Mill wrote: Hi, Newbie learning php here. Does anyone (have|know where I can get) a set of html and php files to automate script and form writing? What I want is an html file with forms, drop down boxes, check boxes etc, that will allow me to quickly|automatically construct php and html code to run on my server. For instance, a template generator: to create a new file with the script directive for scripts I want to run from the shell and output plain text. to create a new file with html tags for server-scripts which will output html formatting to create scraps of code for function declarations, or control flow structures, using text boxes on an html form to name variables and set values, outputting the fully constructed scraps into another text area from which I can cut and paste into a main script. I don't want anything too complicated such as a fully blown graphical IDE that will take me a long time to learn. Cheers, Malcolm. -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
[PHP] PHP IDE for OS X
Can anyone suggest a PHP editor/IDE for OS X other than: - BBEdit (already using it) - Zend Studio (it's Java, not OS X native) What I'm hoping for is: - some form of auto-complete text for functions/constants/etc, - integrated testing/debugging - integration with local install of PHP - anything else that will make my life easier without 'getting in the way'. My guess is it doesn't exist, but it's worth a shot. PLEASE, no On Windows I use... or I just use 'Text Editor X' -- I'm looking for something more than a basic text editor, and it has to be OS X native (not some ugly, sluggish Java thing). --- Justin French http://indent.com.au -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] PHP IDE for OS X
Hi, Jastin, Just try Eclipse (www.eclipse.org) and PHP plugin called phpeclipse (available at sourceforge.net). Works great on ALL platforms, including Linux, OSX and Win. On Saturday 04 September 2004 05:26 pm, Justin French wrote: Can anyone suggest a PHP editor/IDE for OS X other than: - BBEdit (already using it) - Zend Studio (it's Java, not OS X native) What I'm hoping for is: - some form of auto-complete text for functions/constants/etc, - integrated testing/debugging - integration with local install of PHP - anything else that will make my life easier without 'getting in the way'. My guess is it doesn't exist, but it's worth a shot. PLEASE, no On Windows I use... or I just use 'Text Editor X' -- I'm looking for something more than a basic text editor, and it has to be OS X native (not some ugly, sluggish Java thing). *** with best regards *** Andrei Verovski (aka MacGuru) *** Mac, Linux, DTP, Programming Web Site *** *** http://snow.prohosting.com/guru4mac/ -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] PHP IDE for OS X
Andrei Verovski wrote: Hi, Jastin, Just try Eclipse (www.eclipse.org) and PHP plugin called phpeclipse (available at sourceforge.net). Works great on ALL platforms, including Linux, OSX and Win. On Saturday 04 September 2004 05:26 pm, Justin French wrote: Can anyone suggest a PHP editor/IDE for OS X other than: - BBEdit (already using it) - Zend Studio (it's Java, not OS X native) What I'm hoping for is: - some form of auto-complete text for functions/constants/etc, - integrated testing/debugging - integration with local install of PHP - anything else that will make my life easier without 'getting in the way'. My guess is it doesn't exist, but it's worth a shot. PLEASE, no On Windows I use... or I just use 'Text Editor X' -- I'm looking for something more than a basic text editor, and it has to be OS X native (not some ugly, sluggish Java thing). *** with best regards *** Andrei Verovski (aka MacGuru) *** Mac, Linux, DTP, Programming Web Site *** *** http://snow.prohosting.com/guru4mac/ Hehe, i hope that you don't mind that i tag along here, but i'm also looking for a good IDE. I've installed Eclipse, but i can't really seem to understand exactly what i have to do in order to install phpEclipse. The installation help thing says that i have to install wampp first, but i have absolutely no idea what that is... What happened to the good old clean install.exe files?! Should i install that wampp thing? (i hope it's not some twisted virus :x) -- Daniel Schierbeck -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] PHP IDE for OS X
I use Drewmweaver's code view as a PHP IDE It allows me to manage my site / app files as a whole (which dreamweaver does great) and the built-in IDE (not the wyswyg) has great code hinting and the other standard features one might look for (syntax colors, line numbers, etc.) Since I usually do development as well as design, DW is a great IDE. The MX and MX 2004 have a real Homesite feel - a great IDE that never did make it over to the Mac. - Eric Marden On Sun, 5 Sep 2004 00:26:31 +1000, Justin French [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Can anyone suggest a PHP editor/IDE for OS X other than: - BBEdit (already using it) - Zend Studio (it's Java, not OS X native) What I'm hoping for is: - some form of auto-complete text for functions/constants/etc, - integrated testing/debugging - integration with local install of PHP - anything else that will make my life easier without 'getting in the way'. My guess is it doesn't exist, but it's worth a shot. PLEASE, no On Windows I use... or I just use 'Text Editor X' -- I'm looking for something more than a basic text editor, and it has to be OS X native (not some ugly, sluggish Java thing). --- Justin French http://indent.com.au -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php -- --- eric marden http://xentek.net --- -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
[PHP] PHP IDE
Hi All, I was just wondering what different IDEs everyone is using and why. I am asking to see if there are advantages in working in one over the other, other than personal preference of course. I currently work in DW MX 04. But I would like to know the pros and cons in the others being used in production environments. Thanks, alex hogan ** The contents of this e-mail and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom it is addressed. The views stated herein do not necessarily represent the view of the company. If you are not the intended recipient of this e-mail you may not copy, forward, disclose, or otherwise use it or any part of it in any form whatsoever. If you have received this e-mail in error please e-mail the sender. **
Re: [PHP] PHP IDE
Hello Alex, Monday, February 16, 2004, 3:35:32 PM, you wrote: AH I was just wondering what different IDEs everyone is using and why. I am AH asking to see if there are advantages in working in one over the other, AH other than personal preference of course. Zend IDE 3.0.2 The biggest benefits for me: Code Profiler - find out which parts of your code are running slowly. Debugger - find out why. Both accessible from the IE toolbar plugin (browse to the page/form you want to profile and hit the button). Very nice editor. Powerful search/replace (although no better than Homesites which is what DW uses IIRC). Syntax checker, good Project and CVS support, auto-complete and the very very useful function in-sight feature which will give you pop-up suggestions to finish off your function - i.e. type in str and as well as showing you stuff like striptags or str_replace it'll also should you any functions you have that start with str (stream_file for example). This is very neat in big projects with loads of functions. Works across classes too. It's quite expensive, but the code profiler has paid for itself several times over already and hey - it's by Zend, so you're kinda supporting PHPs future too in a way. -- Best regards, Richard Davey http://www.phpcommunity.org/wiki/296.html -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
[PHP] PHP IDE opinions
Any opinions on the most feature rich IDE? I use Maguma now, but I notice that Zend Studio and phpED have some good profiling features. I didn't see that Zend had any DB connection features built-in though. Any advice on these two? Others? Thanks for your input! -Shawn -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] PHP IDE?
Chris W. Parker wrote: Of all these things can it connect to FTP locations? I tried it out but could only manage to open files from my local harddrive which is exactly where my php files are not. Try HTMLKit: it can connect to an ftp-server. http://www.html-kit.com Erwin Kerk Web Developer -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] PHP IDE?
My folding is setup to work based on a function to fold and unfold. I
have the function mapped to my spacebar, so pressing it while
in escape mode will either fold or unfold the code
Place this in your .vimrc and then you can use {{{ and }}} as your
start and end tags
if has(folding)
highlight Folded term=standout ctermfg=Yellow ctermbg=Blue
set commentstring=#%s
set fillchars=vert:|,fold:
set foldmethod=marker
set foldmarker={{{,}}}
fun! ToggleFold()
if foldlevel('.') == 0
normal! l
else
if foldclosed('.') 0
. foldclose
else
. foldopen
endif
endif
Clear status line
echo
endfun
Map this function to Space key.
noremap space :call ToggleFold()CR
endif
The reasons given about vim (or vi) being on platforms are exactly the
same that I have stuck with vim (vi) over the years.
In some shops they do not allow emacs on their boxes, some don't install
additional editors, but vi has always been a constant.
this is just my experience, so please note that I am not berating anyone
for their choice of editor...
regards
Ahbaid.
Wouter van Vliet wrote:
Yeah .. vim is my god too. You can do so many things with so little
keystrokes. And it basically has the best syntax highlighting I've ever
seen. With some easy tricks you can even let it highlight your own
functions. I haven't doen so, but I know it's possible :P... Also, it exists
on most servers so you can work directly on the server. Without having to
mess with (Samba) filesharing. Another advantage is that it runs both on
Linux as well as on Windows.
W.
(ps. Ahbaid or anyone else .. how can I get code to re-fold. I've setup my
vim to fold every PHP function and class, which works when I load te file.
But when I'm done editing a certain block, what do I do to make it fold back
in again?)
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Re: [PHP] PHP IDE?
Hello If you don't mind running a JVM you can use PHPEclipse with the Eclipse Framework. Additionally to the php plugin there are a lot of other plugins out there that can assist you. http://www.phpeclipse.org Regards Stefan Langer
RE: [PHP] PHP IDE?
Yeah .. vim is my god too. You can do so many things with so little
keystrokes. And it basically has the best syntax highlighting I've ever
seen. With some easy tricks you can even let it highlight your own
functions. I haven't doen so, but I know it's possible :P... Also, it exists
on most servers so you can work directly on the server. Without having to
mess with (Samba) filesharing. Another advantage is that it runs both on
Linux as well as on Windows.
W.
(ps. Ahbaid or anyone else .. how can I get code to re-fold. I've setup my
vim to fold every PHP function and class, which works when I load te file.
But when I'm done editing a certain block, what do I do to make it fold back
in again?)
On zondag 14 december 2003 18:27 Ahbaid Gaffoor told the butterflies:
with folding you can fold your code in chunks, you
basically setup a start fold and an end fold and place
code between them, then you can open and close (fold) that
block of code as you need to or don't need to see it...
for example:
# {{{ PHP Code to do something...
..
..
1 lines of code...
..
..
# }}}
would collapse to one line when folded and look something like:
+ PHP Code to do something
then when you hit space on it it expands. (I use {{{ and }}}
as my start and end folds)
ctags allows you to build a dictionary of words which you can
hook into
vim, that way you can do tab completion on PHP words etc.
I also like to map keystrokes to coding templates for things like
functions, loops, declarations etc.
Everyone's got their own setup :)
Plus I always use a CVS repository for my work, so my routine
of, code,
test, commit is habit.
Looking at the responses there seems to be a lot of neat editors out
there, to each his own.
regards,
Ahbaid.
Jough Jeaux wrote:
Hmm, I'm currently a vim user also. You'll have to
elaborate on this folding and ctag business though...
--- Ahbaid Gaffoor [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
vim - with folding and ctags
sweet.
Ahbaid
Jough Jeaux wrote:
Was wondering what everyone's favortie IDE is for
coding in PHP. I've got a big PHP project in the
works. I'll be doing alot with it and am looking
for
ways to boost my productivity.
--Jough
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Re: [PHP] PHP IDE?
on Sat, 13 Dec 2003 09:06:56 -0800 (PST) Jough Jeaux wrote: JJ Was wondering what everyone's favortie IDE is for JJ coding in PHP. I've got a big PHP project in the JJ works. I'll be doing alot with it and am looking for JJ ways to boost my productivity. Used to use UltraEdit some time, but now I'm with jEdit. It's an OpenSource Java editor and supports plugins.. so you can manage Projects and a lot more. It's main target (from the number of plugins) is Java development, but it's great for PHP/HTML also. http://www.jedit.org/ -- shinE! http://www.thequod.de ICQ#152282665 PGP 8.0 key: http://thequod.de/danielhahler.asc -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] PHP IDE?
I searched for weeks and tried about 8 php editors and settled on http://www.phpedit.net/products/PHPEdit/ Code hints and completion, and highlighting, etc. are superb. Has a few minor bugs, but they are not serious. The automatic documenter [they call it help, which it really isn't] is super. Has built-in debugger. Daniel Hahler wrote: on Sat, 13 Dec 2003 09:06:56 -0800 (PST) Jough Jeaux wrote: JJ Was wondering what everyone's favortie IDE is for JJ coding in PHP. I've got a big PHP project in the JJ works. I'll be doing alot with it and am looking for JJ ways to boost my productivity. Used to use UltraEdit some time, but now I'm with jEdit. It's an OpenSource Java editor and supports plugins.. so you can manage Projects and a lot more. It's main target (from the number of plugins) is Java development, but it's great for PHP/HTML also. http://www.jedit.org/ -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
RE: [PHP] PHP IDE?
Al mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] on Monday, December 15, 2003 12:52 PM said: I searched for weeks and tried about 8 php editors and settled on http://www.phpedit.net/products/PHPEdit/ Code hints and completion, and highlighting, etc. are superb. Has a few minor bugs, but they are not serious. The automatic documenter [they call it help, which it really isn't] is super. Has built-in debugger. Of all these things can it connect to FTP locations? I tried it out but could only manage to open files from my local harddrive which is exactly where my php files are not. Chris. -- Don't like reformatting your Outlook replies? Now there's relief! http://home.in.tum.de/~jain/software/outlook-quotefix/ -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] PHP IDE?
Mike wrote: if you are using windows, I would highlt recommend PHPEdit, it is open source and has function completion. It boosts productivity a lot http://www.phpedit.net/products/PHPEdit/ Mike Not that good. IIRC, all the error messages and the prompts are in German, one need to guess which button should press if you don't know the very language. Best Bao On Sat, 2003-12-13 at 17:06, Jough Jeaux wrote: Was wondering what everyone's favortie IDE is for coding in PHP. I've got a big PHP project in the works. I'll be doing alot with it and am looking for ways to boost my productivity. --Jough -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
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Not that good. IIRC, all the error messages and the prompts are in German, one need to guess which button should press if you don't know the very language. They were all in english last time I used it (which was a while ago) Mike -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] PHP IDE?
with folding you can fold your code in chunks, you basically setup a
start fold and an end fold and place code between them, then you can
open and close (fold) that block of code as you need to or don't need to
see it...
for example:
# {{{ PHP Code to do something...
..
..
1 lines of code...
..
..
# }}}
would collapse to one line when folded and look something like:
+ PHP Code to do something
then when you hit space on it it expands. (I use {{{ and }}} as my start
and end folds)
ctags allows you to build a dictionary of words which you can hook into
vim, that way you can do tab completion on PHP words etc.
I also like to map keystrokes to coding templates for things like
functions, loops, declarations etc.
Everyone's got their own setup :)
Plus I always use a CVS repository for my work, so my routine of, code,
test, commit is habit.
Looking at the responses there seems to be a lot of neat editors out
there, to each his own.
regards,
Ahbaid.
Jough Jeaux wrote:
Hmm, I'm currently a vim user also. You'll have to
elaborate on this folding and ctag business though...
--- Ahbaid Gaffoor [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
vim - with folding and ctags
sweet.
Ahbaid
Jough Jeaux wrote:
Was wondering what everyone's favortie IDE is for
coding in PHP. I've got a big PHP project in the
works. I'll be doing alot with it and am looking
for
ways to boost my productivity.
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Re: [PHP] PHP IDE?
Jough Jeaux wrote: Was wondering what everyone's favortie IDE is for coding in PHP. I've got a big PHP project in the works. I'll be doing alot with it and am looking for ways to boost my productivity. --Jough __ Do you Yahoo!? New Yahoo! Photos - easier uploading and sharing. http://photos.yahoo.com/ I use HTML-kit all the time. Has a built-in ftp client, lots of plugins available, in-program previews (via local webserver), and much more. http://www.htmlkit.com Erwin Kerk Web Developer -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
RE: [PHP] PHP IDE?
snip Was wondering what everyone's favortie IDE is for coding in PHP. I've got a big PHP project in the works. I'll be doing alot with it and am looking for ways to boost my productivity. --Jough /snip If you're willing to purchase a commercial product I'd highly recommend Zend's IDE. I've been working on a large PHP development project for a little over a year now and switched to the Zend IDE about three months ago and it has really increased my productivity. My $0.02 CDN ($0.0151483 USD). P. -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
[PHP] PHP IDE?
Was wondering what everyone's favortie IDE is for coding in PHP. I've got a big PHP project in the works. I'll be doing alot with it and am looking for ways to boost my productivity. --Jough __ Do you Yahoo!? New Yahoo! Photos - easier uploading and sharing. http://photos.yahoo.com/ -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] PHP IDE?
vim - with folding and ctags sweet. Ahbaid Jough Jeaux wrote: Was wondering what everyone's favortie IDE is for coding in PHP. I've got a big PHP project in the works. I'll be doing alot with it and am looking for ways to boost my productivity. --Jough __ Do you Yahoo!? New Yahoo! Photos - easier uploading and sharing. http://photos.yahoo.com/ -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
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Hmm, I'm currently a vim user also. You'll have to elaborate on this folding and ctag business though... --- Ahbaid Gaffoor [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: vim - with folding and ctags sweet. Ahbaid Jough Jeaux wrote: Was wondering what everyone's favortie IDE is for coding in PHP. I've got a big PHP project in the works. I'll be doing alot with it and am looking for ways to boost my productivity. --Jough __ Do you Yahoo!? New Yahoo! Photos - easier uploading and sharing. http://photos.yahoo.com/ -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php __ Do you Yahoo!? New Yahoo! Photos - easier uploading and sharing. http://photos.yahoo.com/ -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] PHP IDE?
Hello Jough, Saturday, December 13, 2003, 5:06:56 PM, you wrote: JJ Was wondering what everyone's favortie IDE is for JJ coding in PHP. I've got a big PHP project in the JJ works. I'll be doing alot with it and am looking for JJ ways to boost my productivity. I use NuSphere's phpED - it was a quite expensive initial outlay, but it has paid for itself many times over since then. For HTML work (with PHP included) I still use HomeSite 5 + TopStyle and will never move to anything else (Dreamweaver is bloated beyond belief and don't even get me started on FrontPage :) -- Best regards, Richardmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
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I have started using PrimalScript from www.sapien.com It's cheaper than NuSphere and I love it. Clint Tredway www.digital12studios.com Original Message: From: Jough Jeaux [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [PHP] PHP IDE? Date: Sat, 13 Dec 2003 09:06:56 -0800 (PST) Was wondering what everyone's favortie IDE is for coding in PHP. I've got a big PHP project in the works. I'll be doing alot with it and am looking for ways to boost my productivity. --Jough __ Do you Yahoo!? New Yahoo! Photos - easier uploading and sharing. http://photos.yahoo.com/ -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] PHP IDE?
Some of us prefer the basics. Note Tab Pro www.notetab.com Has syntax highlighting and enough clip book libraries to do just about anything we want. NetCaptor www.netcaptor.com for previewing our work. Jim www.websitemanagers.net - Original Message - From: Jough Jeaux [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, December 13, 2003 11:06 AM Subject: [PHP] PHP IDE? | Was wondering what everyone's favortie IDE is for | coding in PHP. I've got a big PHP project in the | works. I'll be doing alot with it and am looking for | ways to boost my productivity. | | --Jough -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] PHP IDE?
I also have Note Tab Pro and I love it for simple stuff. The more complicated my stuff got the more I got away from note tab. Clint Tredway www.digital12studios.com Original Message: From: Website Managers.net [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [PHP] PHP IDE? Date: Sat, 13 Dec 2003 12:45:46 -0600 Some of us prefer the basics. Note Tab Pro www.notetab.com Has syntax highlighting and enough clip book libraries to do just about anything we want. NetCaptor www.netcaptor.com for previewing our work. Jim www.websitemanagers.net - Original Message - From: Jough Jeaux [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, December 13, 2003 11:06 AM Subject: [PHP] PHP IDE? | Was wondering what everyone's favortie IDE is for | coding in PHP. I've got a big PHP project in the | works. I'll be doing alot with it and am looking for | ways to boost my productivity. | | --Jough -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] PHP IDE?
On Sat, 2003-12-13 at 12:06, Jough Jeaux wrote: Was wondering what everyone's favortie IDE is for coding in PHP. I've got a big PHP project in the works. I'll be doing alot with it and am looking for ways to boost my productivity. Quanta Plus: http://quanta.sourceforge.net Bluefish is also very promising: http://bluefish.openoffice.nl/ -- BrianGnuPG - KeyID: 0x04A4F0DC | URL: www.gfx-design.com/keys Key Server: pgp.mit.edu == gpg --keyserver pgp.mit.edu --revc-keys 04A4F0DC GnuPG: http://gnupg.org -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] PHP IDE?
Jough Jeaux wrote: Was wondering what everyone's favortie IDE is for coding in PHP. I've got a big PHP project in the works. I'll be doing alot with it and am looking for ways to boost my productivity. --Jough __ Do you Yahoo!? New Yahoo! Photos - easier uploading and sharing. http://photos.yahoo.com/ I started with jed but now Im sold for vim. -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] PHP IDE?
if you are using windows, I would highlt recommend PHPEdit, it is open source and has function completion. It boosts productivity a lot http://www.phpedit.net/products/PHPEdit/ Mike On Sat, 2003-12-13 at 17:06, Jough Jeaux wrote: Was wondering what everyone's favortie IDE is for coding in PHP. I've got a big PHP project in the works. I'll be doing alot with it and am looking for ways to boost my productivity. --Jough __ Do you Yahoo!? New Yahoo! Photos - easier uploading and sharing. http://photos.yahoo.com/ -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
[PHP] php IDE for linux
please tell me a good PHP editor for linux, wich one you prefer. or a package for PHP in Xemacs. i try the bluefish but i dont like it. Thanks, Pedro Cardoso -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] php IDE for linux
I have been using Zend Studio on Windows and they have a Linux client. You can get a demo key at www.zend.com. I am pretty sure that xemacs has a php mode as well. -Scott On Tue, 4 Jun 2002, Pedro Jorge Dias Cardoso wrote: please tell me a good PHP editor for linux, wich one you prefer. or a package for PHP in Xemacs. i try the bluefish but i dont like it. Thanks, Pedro Cardoso -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Now Playing: Moby - We Are All Made Of Stars generated by ProWeb 1.0 Beta Uptime 168 days c2002 Exton Communications -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] php IDE for linux
Hello: please tell me a good PHP editor for linux, wich one you prefer. or a package for PHP in Xemacs. I like very much this under linux http://quanta.sourceforge.net/ Best Regards. QaDRAM Studio, RAD Development for the WEB http://studio.qadram.com -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
[PHP] PHP IDE Feedback
I am currently evaluating the following IDEs that support PHP. Zend's Studio 2.0 NuSphere's PHPEd Active State's Komodo My selection criteria are: Code Completion Debugging Project Management Versioning and Source Control Documentation Code Deployment I have read through the documentation of each vendor's product. I am looking for feedback from those who are actually use the product and their satistaction and/or disappointment.
[PHP] PHP IDE
Hey all, I am, and have been for some time, in search of a PHP IDE that allows me to view things more on a project basis. Meaning, that I would like to have some sort of Class browsing capabilities along with file browsing capabilities. I am also looking for a decent freeware Texteditor/Web Development environment for OS X.. If anyone can help me out in these areas, I would be greatly appreciative. Thank You, Jordan -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] PHP IDE
on gtk.php.net there is a link to PHPMole. Built with PHP requires GTK. Not sure but I think that there is gtk lib for OSX since it is BSD. Best reagrds, Andrey Hristov - Original Message - From: Jordan S. Jones [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, March 12, 2002 2:23 PM Subject: [PHP] PHP IDE Hey all, I am, and have been for some time, in search of a PHP IDE that allows me to view things more on a project basis. Meaning, that I would like to have some sort of Class browsing capabilities along with file browsing capabilities. I am also looking for a decent freeware Texteditor/Web Development environment for OS X.. If anyone can help me out in these areas, I would be greatly appreciative. Thank You, Jordan -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] PHP IDE
Sweet.. Thanks.. Andrey Hristov [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message 047801c1c9c1$ae7ec820$0b01a8c0@ANDreY">news:047801c1c9c1$ae7ec820$0b01a8c0@ANDreY... on gtk.php.net there is a link to PHPMole. Built with PHP requires GTK. Not sure but I think that there is gtk lib for OSX since it is BSD. Best reagrds, Andrey Hristov - Original Message - From: Jordan S. Jones [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, March 12, 2002 2:23 PM Subject: [PHP] PHP IDE Hey all, I am, and have been for some time, in search of a PHP IDE that allows me to view things more on a project basis. Meaning, that I would like to have some sort of Class browsing capabilities along with file browsing capabilities. I am also looking for a decent freeware Texteditor/Web Development environment for OS X.. If anyone can help me out in these areas, I would be greatly appreciative. Thank You, Jordan -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] PHP IDE
On Saturday 26 January 2002 03:49, Zeev Suraski stuffed this into my mailbox: I use Activestate Komodo (www.activestate.com). It's not free though ($ 29,95 end-user/educational $ 299 commercial). However, it's not just PHP, it also has stuff for perl, C and several other languages. regards I'm probably not objective, but the upcoming (Feb 4) Zend Studio is pretty darned good, and it works perfectly under Linux. You can try the beta (even though final release will have much more impressive/intelligent code completion) at zend.com/store/beta.php Zeev On Fri, 25 Jan 2002, Rafael Perazzo B Mota wrote: Who knows a good Php IDE for linux, like PHP Code ? Rafael Perazzo _ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To contact the list administrators, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [PHP] PHP IDE
You can use html-kit (www.chami.com) with the php plugin. Very simple editor with syntax highlighting. Free Or you can buy phped from www.nusphere.com more sophisticated. Laurent Drouet -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To contact the list administrators, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[PHP] PHP IDE
Who knows a good Php IDE for linux, like PHP Code ? Rafael Perazzo _ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To contact the list administrators, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [PHP] PHP IDE
Rafael Perazzo B Mota wrote: Who knows a good Php IDE for linux, like PHP Code ? Just have a look at www.activestate.com. They sell a product called Komodo. Alexander -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To contact the list administrators, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [PHP] PHP IDE
I'm probably not objective, but the upcoming (Feb 4) Zend Studio is pretty darned good, and it works perfectly under Linux. You can try the beta (even though final release will have much more impressive/intelligent code completion) at zend.com/store/beta.php Zeev On Fri, 25 Jan 2002, Rafael Perazzo B Mota wrote: Who knows a good Php IDE for linux, like PHP Code ? Rafael Perazzo _ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com -- Zeev Suraski [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.zend.com/ -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To contact the list administrators, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[PHP] PHP ide features...
Hello, I am currently working on finishing up version 2.0 of PHP Studio. It's release date is March 15. It is a completely free source/ware. I was hoping to get a list of features that PHP developers would want to see. I will make an attempt to have all of these features included in the March 15 version. Thank you very much for your time. Dan +---+ | | | If Yoda so strong in force is, | | why words in proper order he cannot put? | | | +---+ | | +---+ | Daniel J. Cleveland | | e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] | +---+ -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To contact the list administrators, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
