Re: [PHP] PHP usage stats

2009-02-09 Thread tedd
At 3:44 PM -0500 2/9/09, Daniel Brown wrote: On Mon, Feb 9, 2009 at 15:41, Stuart wrote: Indeed, but I find coding without QA requirements is a great way to relax. It's what I do to take a break from coding for The Job[tm]. I suppose that makes us seem a little ill, eh? -- Daniel:

Re: [PHP] PHP usage stats

2009-02-09 Thread Andrew Ballard
On Mon, Feb 9, 2009 at 3:28 PM, Daniel Brown wrote: > On Mon, Feb 9, 2009 at 15:21, Stuart wrote: >> >> I would advise you against wasting your time because there is no >> reliable way to tell what systems a server is actually using to serve >> pages. Nearly all sites I work on these days use tec

Re: [PHP] PHP usage stats

2009-02-09 Thread Daniel Brown
On Mon, Feb 9, 2009 at 15:41, Stuart wrote: > > Indeed, but I find coding without QA requirements is a great way to relax. It's what I do to take a break from coding for The Job[tm]. I suppose that makes us seem a little ill, eh? -- daniel.br...@parasane.net || danbr...@php.net http://www

Re: [PHP] PHP usage stats

2009-02-09 Thread Stuart
2009/2/9 Daniel Brown : > On Mon, Feb 9, 2009 at 15:21, Stuart wrote: >> >> I would advise you against wasting your time because there is no >> reliable way to tell what systems a server is actually using to serve >> pages. Nearly all sites I work on these days use techniques to remove >> extensio

Re: [PHP] PHP usage stats

2009-02-09 Thread Daniel Brown
On Mon, Feb 9, 2009 at 15:21, Stuart wrote: > > I would advise you against wasting your time because there is no > reliable way to tell what systems a server is actually using to serve > pages. Nearly all sites I work on these days use techniques to remove > extensions from URLs, and a fair few hi

Re: [PHP] PHP usage stats

2009-02-09 Thread Stuart
2009/2/9 Daniel Brown : > On Mon, Feb 9, 2009 at 14:58, Shawn McKenzie wrote: >>> >> And HTM shows 701M, so it is now beating out ASP :-) > >Another bone of contention is the masking --- I mentioned it > briefly in my original remarks in this thread, but on further > investigation, it may actu

Re: [PHP] PHP usage stats

2009-02-09 Thread Daniel Brown
On Mon, Feb 9, 2009 at 14:58, Shawn McKenzie wrote: >> > And HTM shows 701M, so it is now beating out ASP :-) Another bone of contention is the masking --- I mentioned it briefly in my original remarks in this thread, but on further investigation, it may actually have a substantial impact on

Re: [PHP] PHP usage stats

2009-02-09 Thread Shawn McKenzie
Daniel Brown wrote: > On Mon, Feb 9, 2009 at 14:39, Andrew Ballard wrote: >> For what it's worth, you missed .do, .dll, .exe, and I'm sure others >> (yes, I've seen web sites running what I assume to be compiled web >> applications with all of these extensions) as well as anything using >> URL rew

Re: [PHP] PHP usage stats

2009-02-09 Thread Daniel Brown
On Mon, Feb 9, 2009 at 14:39, Andrew Ballard wrote: > > For what it's worth, you missed .do, .dll, .exe, and I'm sure others > (yes, I've seen web sites running what I assume to be compiled web > applications with all of these extensions) as well as anything using > URL rewriting such as Zend Fram

Re: [PHP] PHP usage stats

2009-02-09 Thread Andrew Ballard
On Mon, Feb 9, 2009 at 2:03 PM, Daniel Brown wrote: > On Sun, Feb 8, 2009 at 09:35, Richard Heyes wrote: >> Hi, >> >> Can anyone point out some general statistics on PHP usage compared to >> other server languages? I've tried Netcraft, but they only appear (or >> I've only found) to have statisti

Re: [PHP] PHP usage stats

2009-02-09 Thread Kyle Terry
On Mon, Feb 9, 2009 at 11:03 AM, Daniel Brown wrote: > On Sun, Feb 8, 2009 at 09:35, Richard Heyes wrote: >> Hi, >> >> Can anyone point out some general statistics on PHP usage compared to >> other server languages? I've tried Netcraft, but they only appear (or >> I've only found) to have statist

Re: [PHP] PHP usage stats

2009-02-09 Thread Daniel Brown
On Sun, Feb 8, 2009 at 09:35, Richard Heyes wrote: > Hi, > > Can anyone point out some general statistics on PHP usage compared to > other server languages? I've tried Netcraft, but they only appear (or > I've only found) to have statistics on the httpd server used. All @php.net addresses rej

Re: [PHP] PHP usage stats

2009-02-09 Thread Stuart
2009/2/9 Andrew Ballard : > On Mon, Feb 9, 2009 at 11:10 AM, tedd wrote: >> At 10:02 AM -0500 2/9/09, Andrew Ballard wrote: >>> >>> On Sun, Feb 8, 2009 at 3:37 PM, Paul M Foster >>> wrote: >>> >>> > Perhaps a better question then might be how many IIS servers are there out there compa

Re: [PHP] PHP usage stats

2009-02-09 Thread Andrew Ballard
On Mon, Feb 9, 2009 at 11:10 AM, tedd wrote: > At 10:02 AM -0500 2/9/09, Andrew Ballard wrote: >> >> On Sun, Feb 8, 2009 at 3:37 PM, Paul M Foster >> wrote: >> >> > Perhaps a better question then might be how many IIS servers are there >>> >>> out there compared to Apache. Apache servers unifor

Re: [PHP] PHP usage stats

2009-02-09 Thread tedd
At 10:02 AM -0500 2/9/09, Andrew Ballard wrote: On Sun, Feb 8, 2009 at 3:37 PM, Paul M Foster wrote: > Perhaps a better question then might be how many IIS servers are there out there compared to Apache. Apache servers uniformly support PHP, but I think only IIS servers support ASP (I could

Re: [PHP] PHP usage stats

2009-02-09 Thread tedd
At 2:41 PM + 2/9/09, Stuart wrote: I think people are like that everywhere, particularly above a certain level of management in my experience. I wish you luck in convincing them but I've found that PHP rarely wins when put up against the sales and marketing budgets available to Microsoft and

Re: [PHP] PHP usage stats

2009-02-09 Thread Andrew Ballard
On Sun, Feb 8, 2009 at 3:37 PM, Paul M Foster wrote: > On Sun, Feb 08, 2009 at 03:20:48PM -0500, tedd wrote: > >> At 3:54 PM + 2/8/09, Stuart wrote: >>> 2009/2/8 tedd : >>> >>> > I wasn't able to find a lot of information, but here's a useful link: >>> > http://www.tiobe.com/index.php/c

Re: [PHP] PHP usage stats

2009-02-09 Thread Stuart
2009/2/9 tedd : >> > Now maybe you didn't mean it that way, but IMO that appears more >> demeaning >>> >>> of the poster than providing help. I'm surprised, because that's not >>> typical >>> of you nor this list. >> >> Indeed. Not really sure what I was thinking when I wrote it and I >> apologi

Re: [PHP] PHP usage stats

2009-02-09 Thread tedd
> Now maybe you didn't mean it that way, but IMO that appears more demeaning of the poster than providing help. I'm surprised, because that's not typical of you nor this list. Indeed. Not really sure what I was thinking when I wrote it and I apologise for the attitude. We all have off days

Re: [PHP] PHP usage stats

2009-02-08 Thread Stuart
2009/2/8 tedd : > At 8:44 PM + 2/8/09, Stuart wrote: >> >> 2009/2/8 tedd : >> >> > just trying to get a handle on the number of people who program in php >> -- >>> >>> what's wrong with wanting to know that figure? >> >> There's nothing wrong with wanting to know it, there's just no >> reliab

Re: [PHP] PHP usage stats

2009-02-08 Thread tedd
At 3:37 PM -0500 2/8/09, Paul M Foster wrote: Perhaps a better question then might be how many IIS servers are there out there compared to Apache. Apache servers uniformly support PHP, but I think only IIS servers support ASP (I could be wrong). There's also the FOSS argument. I'm continually sur

Re: [PHP] PHP usage stats

2009-02-08 Thread tedd
At 8:44 PM + 2/8/09, Stuart wrote: 2009/2/8 tedd : > just trying to get a handle on the number of people who program in php -- what's wrong with wanting to know that figure? There's nothing wrong with wanting to know it, there's just no reliable way to measure it so why bother asking fo

Re: [PHP] PHP usage stats

2009-02-08 Thread Ashley Sheridan
On Sun, 2009-02-08 at 15:37 -0500, Paul M Foster wrote: > On Sun, Feb 08, 2009 at 03:20:48PM -0500, tedd wrote: > > > At 3:54 PM + 2/8/09, Stuart wrote: > >> 2009/2/8 tedd : > >> > >> > I wasn't able to find a lot of information, but here's a useful link: > >>> > >> > http://www.tiobe.com/in

Re: [PHP] PHP usage stats

2009-02-08 Thread Stuart
2009/2/8 tedd : > At 3:54 PM + 2/8/09, Stuart wrote: >> >> 2009/2/8 tedd : >> >> > I wasn't able to find a lot of information, but here's a useful link: >>> >> > http://www.tiobe.com/index.php/content/paperinfo/tpci/index.html >> >> Tedd, that's a list of programming languages, not web develo

Re: [PHP] PHP usage stats

2009-02-08 Thread Paul M Foster
On Sun, Feb 08, 2009 at 03:20:48PM -0500, tedd wrote: > At 3:54 PM + 2/8/09, Stuart wrote: >> 2009/2/8 tedd : >> >> > I wasn't able to find a lot of information, but here's a useful link: >>> >> > http://www.tiobe.com/index.php/content/paperinfo/tpci/index.html >> >> Tedd, that's a list of p

Re: [PHP] PHP usage stats

2009-02-08 Thread tedd
At 3:54 PM + 2/8/09, Stuart wrote: 2009/2/8 tedd : > I wasn't able to find a lot of information, but here's a useful link: > http://www.tiobe.com/index.php/content/paperinfo/tpci/index.html Tedd, that's a list of programming languages, not web development languages. The list shows ph

Re: [PHP] PHP usage stats

2009-02-08 Thread Richard Heyes
Hi, > Why anyone would see value in such a number is beyond me. Just trying to get an (over)view of the market. -- Richard Heyes HTML5 Canvas graphing for Firefox, Chrome, Opera and Safari: http://www.rgraph.org (Updated January 31st) -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsu

Re: [PHP] PHP usage stats

2009-02-08 Thread Stuart
2009/2/8 tedd : > At 2:35 PM + 2/8/09, Richard Heyes wrote: >> >> Hi, >> >> Can anyone point out some general statistics on PHP usage compared to >> other server languages? I've tried Netcraft, but they only appear (or >> I've only found) to have statistics on the httpd server used. >> >> Thank

Re: [PHP] PHP usage stats

2009-02-08 Thread tedd
At 2:35 PM + 2/8/09, Richard Heyes wrote: Hi, Can anyone point out some general statistics on PHP usage compared to other server languages? I've tried Netcraft, but they only appear (or I've only found) to have statistics on the httpd server used. Thanks. -- Richard Heyes Richard: I wen

[PHP] PHP usage stats

2009-02-08 Thread Richard Heyes
Hi, Can anyone point out some general statistics on PHP usage compared to other server languages? I've tried Netcraft, but they only appear (or I've only found) to have statistics on the httpd server used. Thanks. -- Richard Heyes HTML5 Canvas graphing for Firefox, Chrome, Opera and Safari: ht

Re: [PHP] PHP Usage Stats

2001-11-09 Thread Chris
That Report doesn't seem to identify PHP version only total Matt McClanahan wrote: > On Fri, Nov 09, 2001 at 10:11:50AM -0800, Chris wrote: > > > Are there any refrences that would indicate the percent of sites (PHP > > installs) using various versions of PHP (i.e., 60% PHP4, 30% PHP3, > > etc.)

Re: [PHP] PHP Usage Stats

2001-11-09 Thread Matt McClanahan
On Fri, Nov 09, 2001 at 10:11:50AM -0800, Chris wrote: > Are there any refrences that would indicate the percent of sites (PHP > installs) using various versions of PHP (i.e., 60% PHP4, 30% PHP3, > etc.)? See the top of http://php.net which refers to usage stats provided by Netcraft and Security

[PHP] PHP Usage Stats

2001-11-09 Thread Chris
Are there any refrences that would indicate the percent of sites (PHP installs) using various versions of PHP (i.e., 60% PHP4, 30% PHP3, etc.)? -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To conta