On 8/8/2008 3:59 AM India Time, _Micah Gersten_ wrote:
You can't steal it, but you can't do anything with it either, so what's
the point of having it?
They are getting it printed and processing the printed hard copy
further. That's all.
They even have full fledged working programs (say, in
A friend works in a place where they use pascal as a database interface!
Luke Slater
Lead Developer
NuVoo
On 8 Aug 2008, at 16:25, V S Rawat [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On 8/8/2008 3:59 AM India Time, _Micah Gersten_ wrote:
You can't steal it, but you can't do anything with it either, so
Luke wrote:
A friend works in a place where they use pascal as a database
interface!
Nothing wrong with that - Pascal is a decent language. I know places
that still use APL2 - you need a special keyboard for that. And you'll
probably have to go and look up what it is :-)
Robert Cummings wrote:
I'm calling shenanigans. It was a breeze to setup windows 3.11 WFWG in
VMWare. There's a VM for almost every old system these days.
Very true, but not every one is a breeze. I've been trying to get to
play Master Of Magic on DOS for quite some time. On OS2 it _was_ a
Kudos to Richard.
If its fixed, don't break it.
Jud.
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Per Jessen wrote:
Richard Heyes wrote:
I'm interested - why are people still using PHP4? It's been over 4
years (I think) - plenty of time to upgrade to five.
Migration issues for instance - we have quite a bit of code
On 8/7/2008 7:42 PM India Time, _Judson Vaughn_ wrote:
Kudos to Richard.
If its fixed, don't break it.
Jud.
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Per Jessen wrote:
Richard Heyes wrote:
I'm interested - why are people still using PHP4? It's been over 4
years (I think) - plenty of time to upgrade to five.
You can't steal it, but you can't do anything with it either, so what's
the point of having it?
Thank you,
Micah Gersten
onShore Networks
Internal Developer
http://www.onshore.com
V S Rawat wrote:
I was surprised to see some very busy and well to do Chartered
Accountants, Company
On Thu, 2008-08-07 at 17:29 -0500, Micah Gersten wrote:
You can't steal it, but you can't do anything with it either, so what's
the point of having it?
V S Rawat wrote:
I was surprised to see some very busy and well to do Chartered
Accountants, Company Secretaries still using those
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n3or wrote:
Compatibility to older Software of the hosters and sloth of the developers
Richard Heyes schrieb:
I'm interested - why are people still using PHP4? It's been over 4
years (I think) - plenty of time to upgrade to five.
Don't lump the
I agree but not everyone think in the sameway. I have seen several big
websites that got hit because they haven't used super globals in the code
and their hosting provided would just change the PHP.ini setting and nothing
would work.
Well if it's a big website then why use a hoster that
Richard Heyes wrote:
I agree but not everyone think in the sameway. I have seen several
big websites that got hit because they haven't used super globals in
the code and their hosting provided would just change the PHP.ini
setting and nothing would work.
Well if it's a big website then why
The technical abilities and awareness is often inversely proportional to
the size of the hoster.
Lol.
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Sorry to disagree,
But I think that with PHP4 a lot of people start thinking that they could be
programmers (maybe they can, developers it's another story). When php5 came
they didn't know how do deal with the deprecated methods and worst, some
hosters didn't know how to virtualize a f1ck1n'
Quoting Hélio Rocha [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
Sorry to disagree,
But I think that with PHP4 a lot of people start thinking that they could be
programmers (maybe they can, developers it's another story). When php5 came
they didn't know how do deal with the deprecated methods and worst, some
hosters
Sorry to disagree,
That's nothing to apologise for.
But I think that with PHP4 a lot of people start thinking that they could be
programmers (maybe they can, developers it's another story). When php5 came
they didn't know how do deal with the deprecated methods and worst, some
hosters
Brainfuck rox! LOL :)
Sure you must see the changelog and other things but take a look:
I can do more and better things with the next generation of the language in
which i wrote my app, but i don't think that it's fair that my app doens't
compile (if it was a compiled language) or stops executing
Hélio Rocha wrote:
methods and worst, some hosters didn't know how to virtualize a
f1ck1n' server with Apache+PHP5.
Despite their many inabilities, I doubt if any hosting service would
have a problem with that.
If you're trying to figure out why so many haven't changed, there's one
question
Richard Heyes wrote:
When U write code, U must not be worried 'bout the next upgrade of
your server!
Of course you should. Writing code with every eventuality in mind is
simply ludicrous.
Umm, I beg to differ. A developer should not need to worry about a
possible/future upgrade of the
Umm, I beg to differ. A developer should not need to worry about a
possible/future upgrade of the runtime platform. I certainly don't
worry about the next release of gcc or glibc when I write C.
Minor point releases certainly, but not major ones. They're major
upgrades for a reason - things
Per Jessen wrote:
Richard Heyes wrote:
When U write code, U must not be worried 'bout the next upgrade of
your server!
Of course you should. Writing code with every eventuality in mind is
simply ludicrous.
Umm, I beg to differ. A developer should not need to worry about a
possible/future
Richard Heyes wrote:
Umm, I beg to differ. A developer should not need to worry about a
possible/future upgrade of the runtime platform. I certainly don't
worry about the next release of gcc or glibc when I write C.
Minor point releases certainly, but not major ones. They're major
Lester Caine wrote:
Some ISP's are still only supporting rather ancient versions of PHP4.
They should simply be warned of the security risks. Some ISP's have a
PHP5 offering, but again an older version simply because it causes
less problems when converting from PHP4.
The problem for an ISP
Per Jessen wrote:
Lester Caine wrote:
Some ISP's are still only supporting rather ancient versions of PHP4.
They should simply be warned of the security risks. Some ISP's have a
PHP5 offering, but again an older version simply because it causes
less problems when converting from PHP4.
The
Sometimes deprecation is necessary is a language feature is created out
of necessity but is superseded by a superior language form.
A great example is the HTML FONT tag. Font tags slow down downloads and
renderings, and were deprecated in favor of CSS style sheets which offer
much more control
Sometimes speed improvements require removing things. If you end up
backwards supporting everything you end up with a big monster engine
that is incredibly slow.
Thank you,
Micah Gersten
onShore Networks
Internal Developer
http://www.onshore.com
Hélio Rocha wrote:
Brainfuck rox! LOL :)
Because,
People believes
Do not fix until broke
Motto.
Testing new online application may painfull.
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Per Jessen wrote:
Richard Heyes wrote:
I agree but not everyone think in the sameway. I have seen several
big websites that got hit because they haven't used super globals in
the code and their hosting provided would just change the PHP.ini
setting and nothing would work.
Well if it's a big
On Jul 30, 2008, at 10:50 AM, Micah Gersten wrote:
Sometimes speed improvements require removing things. If you end up
backwards supporting everything you end up with a big monster engine
that is incredibly slow.
Just ask Microsoft about that ;)
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Jason Pruim wrote:
On Jul 30, 2008, at 10:50 AM, Micah Gersten wrote:
Sometimes speed improvements require removing things. If you end up
backwards supporting everything you end up with a big monster engine
that is incredibly slow.
Just ask Microsoft about that ;)
Better ask IBM
This one time, at band camp, Richard Heyes [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I'm interested - why are people still using PHP4? It's been over 4
years (I think) - plenty of time to upgrade to five.
I asked that question and was called a troll...
Kevin
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Per Jessen wrote:
Lester Caine wrote:
Some ISP's are still only supporting rather ancient versions of PHP4.
They should simply be warned of the security risks. Some ISP's have a
PHP5 offering, but again an older version simply because it causes
less problems when converting from PHP4.
Its because PHP got really famous with version 4.0 and many people actually
converted their CGI or other websites in to PHP 4 websites because it was
easy and cheap. But 5.0 brought too many changes like serious OOPS and
register global concepts for security, which is useful but made transition
I started using superglobals since 4.x; not even thinking about it
from a security angle per se, but because it just makes sense to know
the source of where your input data is coming from. I guess
technically security is a byproduct of that thinking too.
On Jul 29, 2008, at 7:31 PM,
I agree but not everyone think in the sameway. I have seen several big
websites that got hit because they haven't used super globals in the code
and their hosting provided would just change the PHP.ini setting and nothing
would work.
GET, POST , SESSION, REQUEST everything was all dealt as just
I'm interested - why are people still using PHP4? It's been over 4
years (I think) - plenty of time to upgrade to five.
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Compatibility to older Software of the hosters and sloth of the developers
Richard Heyes schrieb:
I'm interested - why are people still using PHP4? It's been over 4
years (I think) - plenty of time to upgrade to five.
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Richard Heyes wrote:
I'm interested - why are people still using PHP4? It's been over 4
years (I think) - plenty of time to upgrade to five.
Migration issues for instance - we have quite a bit of code that uses
sablotron - in PHP5 that's been changed to libxslt, which requires
extensive
On Mon, Jul 28, 2008 at 8:12 AM, Richard Heyes [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I'm interested - why are people still using PHP4? It's been over 4
years (I think) - plenty of time to upgrade to five.
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Why is COBOL still in use? :)
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Why is COBOL still in use? :)
What is COBOL? :-)
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n3or wrote:
Compatibility to older Software of the hosters and sloth of the
developers
Richard Heyes schrieb:
I'm interested - why are people still using PHP4? It's been over 4
years (I think) - plenty of time to upgrade to five.
I think because retro is hot these daysor wasor will
Finally - why migrate? What's the rush? Lots of people are still
running back-level software
That I can understand. I'm still running Apache 1.3.33 (I think) along
with PHP 5.0.4.
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Richard Heyes wrote:
Finally - why migrate? What's the rush? Lots of people are still
running back-level software
That I can understand. I'm still running Apache 1.3.33 (I think) along
with PHP 5.0.4.
Right, you've answered your own question. You're still on Apache 1.3.33
because you've
On 7/28/08, n3or [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Compatibility to older Software of the hosters and sloth of the developers
i think this is a cop-out, any halfass open source package should be
compatible with php5 now.
i've been running php5 since it came out and everything i have tried
never has a
actually, a lot of stuff is finally saying php5 only now ...
Just in time for PHP6... :-)
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