Re: [PHP] Re: Config files: what is best? (was: Re: [PHP] XML... Useful or another layer of complexity?)
On 3 April 2011 21:38, Peter Lind peter.e.l...@gmail.com wrote:
On 3 April 2011 22:35, Andre Polykanine an...@oire.org wrote:
Hello Peter,
Thanks a lot! And is there a way to set (write) custom values in files
other than php.ini? Sorry, didn't find such a function.
I haven't come across any, but then again, I haven't had the need so
never looked much ... It would be rather easy to generate though
Regards
Peter
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For a truly quick and dirty config, then just use PHP.
A similar mechanism is used by PhD - the PHP Documentation building tool.
?php
// Create default config
$config = array('item1' = 'value1');
// Load the saved config.
$loadedConfig = include './config.inc';
// Merge configs.
$config = array_merge($config, $loadedConfig);
// Manipulate config.
$config['item1'] = 'value2';
// Save config.
file_put_contents('./config.inc', '?php return ' .
var_export($config, true) .';');
?
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[PHP] XML... Useful or another layer of complexity?
So the subject says it all... And yes I know this isn't related to PHP but it's the weekend and I trust the opinions on this list more then any other list I have seen. I've been doing alot of reading on XML and honestly it looks pretty cool... BUT the question is... Is it truly useful or is it just another layer that we have to write? From what I can tell it looks like it could stabilize some of my programming in regards to databases, and possibly if I have to move information from one application to another. But is it worth the added coding or should I just interact with the pieces directly? Thoughts? Questions? Flames? :) -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] XML... Useful or another layer of complexity?
Jason Pruim li...@pruimphotography.com wrote: So the subject says it all... And yes I know this isn't related to PHP but it's the weekend and I trust the opinions on this list more then any other list I have seen. I've been doing alot of reading on XML and honestly it looks pretty cool... BUT the question is... Is it truly useful or is it just another layer that we have to write? From what I can tell it looks like it could stabilize some of my programming in regards to databases, and possibly if I have to move information from one application to another. But is it worth the added coding or should I just interact with the pieces directly? Thoughts? Questions? Flames? :) -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php Personally I've always considered xml as a format only for transferring data. A lot of popular file formats are xml-based, such as the open office formats. Then there's things like xhtml, svg, etc which are all xml formats. Property thought out, xml can be used very well for internal or proprietary formats. If you need a guide on how not to do it, search the daily wtf archives for xml! Thanks Ash -- Sent from my Android phone with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity. -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] XML... Useful or another layer of complexity?
Jason Pruim wrote: So the subject says it all... And yes I know this isn't related to PHP but it's the weekend and I trust the opinions on this list more then any other list I have seen. I've been doing alot of reading on XML and honestly it looks pretty cool... BUT the question is... Is it truly useful or is it just another layer that we have to write? I started looking at XML about 8-9 years ago and at first dismissed it as just another way to gobble up CPU-cycles. Later on, I began to appreciate some of the really cool stuff you can achieve with XSLT, and today I would not want to be without XML. -- Per Jessen, Zürich (16.6°C) -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] XML... Useful or another layer of complexity?
Like every other technology, XML needs to have a use before it becomes a useful tool. Just using XML because it's available quickly leads to headaches, as it isn't the best tool for all scenarios (config files written in XML for instance). That said, XML is awesome for a lot of things ... however, without having a better grasp of XML you're unlikely to know whether it'll fit your needs. If for no other reason, learning XML and related technologies is worth it simply because the rest of the world uses it. So get to know it, then you'll be able to actually judge if your project can benefit from it. Regards Peter -- hype WWW: plphp.dk / plind.dk LinkedIn: plind BeWelcome/Couchsurfing: Fake51 Twitter: kafe15 /hype -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
[PHP] Config files: what is best? (was: Re: [PHP] XML... Useful or another layer of complexity?)
Hello Peter, Just because you mentioned config files. What would you suggest me as better format for them? Database is not available yet since I need to make a config file before creating a database. -- With best regards from Ukraine, Andre Skype: Francophile My blog: http://oire.org/menelion (mostly in Russian) Twitter: http://twitter.com/m_elensule Facebook: http://facebook.com/menelion Original message From: Peter Lind peter.e.l...@gmail.com To: Per Jessen Date created: , 10:27:09 PM Subject: [PHP] XML... Useful or another layer of complexity? Like every other technology, XML needs to have a use before it becomes a useful tool. Just using XML because it's available quickly leads to headaches, as it isn't the best tool for all scenarios (config files written in XML for instance). That said, XML is awesome for a lot of things ... however, without having a better grasp of XML you're unlikely to know whether it'll fit your needs. If for no other reason, learning XML and related technologies is worth it simply because the rest of the world uses it. So get to know it, then you'll be able to actually judge if your project can benefit from it. Regards Peter -- hype WWW: plphp.dk / plind.dk LinkedIn: plind BeWelcome/Couchsurfing: Fake51 Twitter: kafe15 /hype -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
[PHP] Re: Config files: what is best? (was: Re: [PHP] XML... Useful or another layer of complexity?)
On 3 April 2011 21:41, Andre Polykanine an...@oire.org wrote: Hello Peter, Just because you mentioned config files. What would you suggest me as better format for them? Database is not available yet since I need to make a config file before creating a database. For config files I would suggest plain text config files - in the style of key = value php has built-in functions for reading those, so parsing them is very fast and easy. See http://dk2.php.net/manual/en/function.parse-ini-file.php Regards Peter -- hype WWW: plphp.dk / plind.dk LinkedIn: plind BeWelcome/Couchsurfing: Fake51 Twitter: kafe15 /hype -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] XML... Useful or another layer of complexity?
El 03-04-11 14:41, Jason Pruim escribió: So the subject says it all... And yes I know this isn't related to PHP but it's the weekend and I trust the opinions on this list more then any other list I have seen. I've been doing alot of reading on XML and honestly it looks pretty cool... BUT the question is... Is it truly useful or is it just another layer that we have to write? From what I can tell it looks like it could stabilize some of my programming in regards to databases, and possibly if I have to move information from one application to another. But is it worth the added coding or should I just interact with the pieces directly? Thoughts? Questions? Flames? :) I think it is pretty useful, not for internals, but to communicate with other apps such as Adobe Flash or any other system which involves trespassing information. SimpleXML is very easy to work with, you'll only need a valid XML file to read in case of reading. If you need CDATA support, SimpleXML can be extended with this: http://coffeerings.posterous.com/php-simplexml-and-cdata Greetings. -- unreal4u.com http://unreal4u.com/ CHW http://www.chw.net/ Mi Twitter http://twitter.com/unreal4u
Re: [PHP] XML... Useful or another layer of complexity?
On Apr 3, 2011, at 3:31 PM, mrfroasty wrote: On 04/03/2011 08:41 PM, Jason Pruim wrote: So the subject says it all... And yes I know this isn't related to PHP but it's the weekend and I trust the opinions on this list more then any other list I have seen. I've been doing alot of reading on XML and honestly it looks pretty cool... BUT the question is... Is it truly useful or is it just another layer that we have to write? From what I can tell it looks like it could stabilize some of my programming in regards to databases, and possibly if I have to move information from one application to another. But is it worth the added coding or should I just interact with the pieces directly? Thoughts? Questions? Flames? :) Not sure about specific situations, but if I have to write my own application to application data transfer i wouldnt add such a complexity.I would just create my own data like objects/arrays serialized and send them over via http post or any easy means.And i will be done in few minutes, problem solved!. I have once created orders in xml for myself and send over via ftp to another application.But this was just due to a fact that I had the scripts in place to do the job.It looks much matured though, than if I had transfer the orders in text format. But as I said, this depends on particular situations and problem on the table.All cases where I worked with xml, were me receiving data from client either via soap,xml files etc.Here I have no choice I have to work with xml ofcourse. P:S **How could you stabilize your scripts by adding xml ? I was thinking along the lines of using it as a intermediary.. Basically make a system that would take my raw data, throw it into XML, and then out to the web, database, or something else I haven't thought of.. If I was going into database I could create an abstraction layer using XML and format all the data before inserting it into specific fields... Now that I typed it I'm not sure it would work like I want it to But that was my thinking at the time. Although I could write a system that would generate the XML from content in a database and then parse it as an rss feed, and insert it into a calendar system... (If that was needed) Right now the question is purely academic so I'm coming up with this stuff as I'm typing hehe :)
Re: [PHP] Re: Config files: what is best? (was: Re: [PHP] XML... Useful or another layer of complexity?)
On 3 April 2011 22:35, Andre Polykanine an...@oire.org wrote: Hello Peter, Thanks a lot! And is there a way to set (write) custom values in files other than php.ini? Sorry, didn't find such a function. I haven't come across any, but then again, I haven't had the need so never looked much ... It would be rather easy to generate though Regards Peter -- hype WWW: plphp.dk / plind.dk LinkedIn: plind BeWelcome/Couchsurfing: Fake51 Twitter: kafe15 /hype -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
