RE: [PHP] Zend (or other) Framework...where to start?

2009-01-15 Thread Daevid Vincent
, then use it as a reference to see how I do things and re-write your own ;-) d -Original Message- From: Paul M Foster [mailto:pa...@quillandmouse.com] Sent: Wednesday, January 14, 2009 7:01 PM To: php-general@lists.php.net Subject: Re: [PHP] Zend (or other) Framework...where to start

Re: [PHP] Zend (or other) Framework...where to start?

2009-01-15 Thread Robert Cummings
On Thu, 2009-01-15 at 09:57 +0300, Usamah M. Ali wrote: On Thu, Jan 15, 2009 at 1:59 AM, Paul M Foster pa...@quillandmouse.com wrote: If you're going to go with a prebuilt framework, I'd recommend CodeIgniter for your first time out. If the docs look good to you (and they are pretty

Re: [PHP] Zend (or other) Framework...where to start?

2009-01-15 Thread Edgar da Silva (Fly2k)
The question is interesting. I do another question: Will PHP5 support PHP4 backward compatibility forever? Ok I'm rediculous, forever not, but, until 5.3 or 6? I really don't know how CI thinks about evolution, but I'm very curious why don't use the new features that provide good evolution?

Re: [PHP] Zend (or other) Framework...where to start?

2009-01-15 Thread Robert Cummings
On Thu, 2009-01-15 at 09:03 -0200, Edgar da Silva (Fly2k) wrote: The question is interesting. I do another question: Will PHP5 support PHP4 backward compatibility forever? Ok I'm rediculous, forever not, but, until 5.3 or 6? I think once PHP6 comes out we'll find that some PHP4

Re: [PHP] Zend (or other) Framework...where to start?

2009-01-15 Thread Edgar da Silva (Fly2k)
On Thu, Jan 15, 2009 at 9:48 AM, Robert Cummings rob...@interjinn.com wrote: On Thu, 2009-01-15 at 09:03 -0200, Edgar da Silva (Fly2k) wrote: The question is interesting. I do another question: Will PHP5 support PHP4 backward compatibility forever? Ok I'm rediculous, forever not, but, until

Re: [PHP] Zend (or other) Framework...where to start?

2009-01-15 Thread Eric Butera
On Thu, Jan 15, 2009 at 1:57 AM, Usamah M. Ali usamah1...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Jan 15, 2009 at 1:59 AM, Paul M Foster pa...@quillandmouse.com wrote: If you're going to go with a prebuilt framework, I'd recommend CodeIgniter for your first time out. If the docs look good to you (and they

Re: [PHP] Zend (or other) Framework...where to start?

2009-01-15 Thread Paul M Foster
On Thu, Jan 15, 2009 at 09:57:42AM +0300, Usamah M. Ali wrote: On Thu, Jan 15, 2009 at 1:59 AM, Paul M Foster pa...@quillandmouse.com wrote: If you're going to go with a prebuilt framework, I'd recommend CodeIgniter for your first time out. If the docs look good to you (and they are

Re: [PHP] Zend (or other) Framework...where to start?

2009-01-15 Thread Kevin Waterson
WRT Frameworks.. before I rant, I should declare myself as an ex-consultant to Zend. I have used most of the more popular frameworks, and in my current employment am using Zend Framework. All of the frameworks I have used, have had some good features, and some poorly implemented ones. This, I

Re: [PHP] Zend (or other) Framework...where to start?

2009-01-14 Thread John Corry
Well, bummer. I *seriously* need to divine a way to increase my efficiency both immediately and for the long term as I maintain tomorrow the applications I build today. For the new-to-frameworks, is there a better/easier framework to use that will streamline the development process from the

Re: [PHP] Zend (or other) Framework...where to start?

2009-01-14 Thread Skip Evans
John Corry wrote: For the new-to-frameworks, is there a better/easier framework to use that will streamline the development process from the beginning? I've been using my own I developed from the ground up for the past couple years, but have recently looked at cakePHP and I think it might

Re: [PHP] Zend (or other) Framework...where to start?

2009-01-14 Thread Eric Butera
On Wed, Jan 14, 2009 at 4:30 PM, John Corry jco...@gmail.com wrote: Well, bummer. I *seriously* need to divine a way to increase my efficiency both immediately and for the long term as I maintain tomorrow the applications I build today. For the new-to-frameworks, is there a better/easier

Re: [PHP] Zend (or other) Framework...where to start?

2009-01-14 Thread Paul M Foster
On Wed, Jan 14, 2009 at 04:30:59PM -0500, John Corry wrote: Well, bummer. I *seriously* need to divine a way to increase my efficiency both immediately and for the long term as I maintain tomorrow the applications I build today. For the new-to-frameworks, is there a better/easier

Re: [PHP] Zend (or other) Framework...where to start?

2009-01-14 Thread Daevid Vincent
On Wed, 2009-01-14 at 17:59 -0500, Paul M Foster wrote: On Wed, Jan 14, 2009 at 04:30:59PM -0500, John Corry wrote: Well, bummer. I *seriously* need to divine a way to increase my efficiency both immediately and for the long term as I maintain tomorrow the applications I build

Re: [PHP] Zend (or other) Framework...where to start?

2009-01-14 Thread Paul M Foster
On Wed, Jan 14, 2009 at 03:50:25PM -0800, Daevid Vincent wrote: snip OMG, and don't get me started on ORM. What a bloat that is. The amount of query overhead is rediculous. All these stupid objects for even the simplest of 'glue tables'. Straight SQL, optimized for your query and

Re: [PHP] Zend (or other) Framework...where to start?

2009-01-14 Thread Usamah M. Ali
On Thu, Jan 15, 2009 at 1:59 AM, Paul M Foster pa...@quillandmouse.com wrote: If you're going to go with a prebuilt framework, I'd recommend CodeIgniter for your first time out. If the docs look good to you (and they are pretty good), you'll probably do fine with it. It's about the lightest