Re: [PHP] Convince teh boss
Very interesting! Thanks! I'm sure the list will be very useful. ;) BTW, perhaps you can add apple.com to your list. (Apache, Linux--should be BSD...) - E -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] Convince teh boss
Nice list. I might be able to put it to work for me. BTW, if you want, you can add my site as a LAMP site (of course, as small as it is compared to the sites you have listed, you may not want too :) http://www.by-tor.com Evan Nemerson wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Okay, it took me a long (expletive deleted) time, so I figured I should share. Here is a list of popular web sites running Apache, PHP, MySQL, and Linux. If there are any errors, I apologize. This is not meant to be a definitive work. In fact, I wasn't even planning on posting it... until i looked at the clock ;) This list is designed to convice teh boss (no type-o). If your boss is a bandwagon kind of guy, afraid to take risks, this is for you- er- him. And you. Him in that he can read it, you in that if he accepts LAMP, you're life will be a much more joyous existance ;) - Apache: By far the most popular web server, with 60.54% market share. Its closest competitor, Microsoft's IIS, has 28.89%. If all variants of each server are counted, Apache's install base increases to 62.17%, while IIS manages 29.42%). Statistics are from http://www.netcraft.net/survey Apache users: Yahoo! Amazon.com AltaVista BBC mp3.com SlashDot HP W3C IBM Verizon FEMA Infoseek PHP: In April 2002, PHP overtook ASP as the #1 server-side scripting language on the internet. In April, PHP was used by 24% of the sites on the Internet. Over the past two years PHP has averaged a 6.5% monthly growth rate. Source: zend.com/news/zendpr.php?id=49 PHP users: Cisco CMG Vodafone Motorola Siemens Ericsson CBS Unilever Philips BMC NTT Air Canada Lufthansa OnVista Lycos Europe Deutsche Bank NASA W3C MySQL: It isn't as easy to determine which database a site uses, but here is a list of sites that do use MySQL, according to MySQL.com: Yahoo! Finance Texas Instruments U.S. Census Bureau NASA Omaha Steaks Slashdot Cross Media Marketing Corp Powell's Books Department of Academic Information Systems Avacom Net Services Blue World Communications CoreSense Ericsson handy.de mobile.de Nemo-Q Silicon Storage Technology, Inc. Virage Linux: I can't find a list for this... I figured these out by trying big sites that came to mind. I didn't encounter a single Microsoft site, but I did get a few *BSD sites, and several Solaris sites. FBI Google Amazon AltaVista Slashdot Verizon FEMA CNN Security: Here's a list of security companies/groups that run any LAMP component: Security Focus (LA) Symantec (L) CERT (LA) Packet Storm (A) FBI (L) OSVDB (LA) At Stake (LA) Netcraft (LA) TESO (L) Phenoelit (LA) Doxpara (LAP) NGS Software (LAMP) PivX (LAP) Grey Magic (LAMP) Phrack (AP) *** It should be noted that just because a component doesn't appear in the list doesn't mean it's not running. The only way I could figure out MySQL was sending a SYN to TCP/3306. If I got a SYN|ACK, I put an M. MySQL could be (should be) firewalled off, and infosec people know this. Also, infosec people tend to play with banners (hehe look TESO's - teso.scene.at), so it's entirely possible they're hiding something... Out of all the infosec sites I tried, I managed to find two Microsofts: NAI and Verisign. I didn't bother with ntbugtraq, windowssecurity, etc- then again, I didn't bother with linuxsecurity, root prompt, etc. Only went with groups who pay attention to all OS's... Phrack and OSVDB are a little biased, but they are still cross-platform. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.0.7 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE9ygtO/rncFku1MdIRAmQpAJ9d+KkYSLhMriuZtI9jsjp3CAmZrACfaWJK Tf0R0hEMSICjAi6v9nz67GU= =Jj3Q -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
RE: [PHP] Convince teh boss
In the end it think comes down to use what you know best.. Php vs ASp vs JSp vs .Net consider your budget, clients needs, bosses needs, future needs etc. I came to Php as .Net came in. I really like Php, i also really like ASP. I learnt ASP first because my job required it, we had a IIS server already. There all just tools to me, used to implement the best solutions for myself or my clients in minimal time for minimal cost. You mind find convincing your boss with $$$ easier. Then again i know what you mean about Bandwagon Bosses and there fellow MBM (management by magazine)types. Cheers Brendon -Original Message- From: John Nichel [mailto:jnichel;by-tor.com] Sent: Thursday, November 07, 2002 5:59 PM To: Evan Nemerson Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [PHP] Convince teh boss Nice list. I might be able to put it to work for me. BTW, if you want, you can add my site as a LAMP site (of course, as small as it is compared to the sites you have listed, you may not want too :) http://www.by-tor.com Evan Nemerson wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Okay, it took me a long (expletive deleted) time, so I figured I should share. Here is a list of popular web sites running Apache, PHP, MySQL, and Linux. If there are any errors, I apologize. This is not meant to be a definitive work. In fact, I wasn't even planning on posting it... until i looked at the clock ;) This list is designed to convice teh boss (no type-o). If your boss is a bandwagon kind of guy, afraid to take risks, this is for you- er- him. And you. Him in that he can read it, you in that if he accepts LAMP, you're life will be a much more joyous existance ;) - Apache: By far the most popular web server, with 60.54% market share. Its closest competitor, Microsoft's IIS, has 28.89%. If all variants of each server are counted, Apache's install base increases to 62.17%, while IIS manages 29.42%). Statistics are from http://www.netcraft.net/survey Apache users: Yahoo! Amazon.com AltaVista BBC mp3.com SlashDot HP W3C IBM Verizon FEMA Infoseek PHP: In April 2002, PHP overtook ASP as the #1 server-side scripting language on the internet. In April, PHP was used by 24% of the sites on the Internet. Over the past two years PHP has averaged a 6.5% monthly growth rate. Source: zend.com/news/zendpr.php?id=49 PHP users: Cisco CMG Vodafone Motorola Siemens Ericsson CBS Unilever Philips BMC NTT Air Canada Lufthansa OnVista Lycos Europe Deutsche Bank NASA W3C MySQL: It isn't as easy to determine which database a site uses, but here is a list of sites that do use MySQL, according to MySQL.com: Yahoo! Finance Texas Instruments U.S. Census Bureau NASA Omaha Steaks Slashdot Cross Media Marketing Corp Powell's Books Department of Academic Information Systems Avacom Net Services Blue World Communications CoreSense Ericsson handy.de mobile.de Nemo-Q Silicon Storage Technology, Inc. Virage Linux: I can't find a list for this... I figured these out by trying big sites that came to mind. I didn't encounter a single Microsoft site, but I did get a few *BSD sites, and several Solaris sites. FBI Google Amazon AltaVista Slashdot Verizon FEMA CNN Security: Here's a list of security companies/groups that run any LAMP component: Security Focus(LA) Symantec (L) CERT (LA) Packet Storm (A) FBI (L) OSVDB (LA) At Stake (LA) Netcraft (LA) TESO (L) Phenoelit (LA) Doxpara (LAP) NGS Software (LAMP) PivX (LAP) Grey Magic(LAMP) Phrack(AP) *** It should be noted that just because a component doesn't appear in the list doesn't mean it's not running. The only way I could figure out MySQL was sending a SYN to TCP/3306. If I got a SYN|ACK, I put an M. MySQL could be (should be) firewalled off, and infosec people know this. Also, infosec people tend to play with banners (hehe look @ TESO's - teso.scene.at), so it's entirely possible they're hiding something... Out of all the infosec sites I tried, I managed to find two Microsofts: NAI and Verisign. I didn't bother with ntbugtraq, windowssecurity, etc- then again, I didn't bother with linuxsecurity, root prompt, etc. Only went with groups who pay attention to all OS's... Phrack and OSVDB are a little biased, but they are still cross-platform. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.0.7 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE9ygtO/rncFku1MdIRAmQpAJ9d+KkYSLhMriuZtI9jsjp3CAmZrACfaWJK Tf0R0hEMSICjAi6v9nz67GU= =Jj3Q -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit
Re: [PHP] Convince teh boss
Thank you for this very nice research effort! BTW, is there any reason why PostgreSQL is not mentioned here? While it seems there are far more MySQL installations, I personally value PostgreSQL higher... it's OpenSource as well, it's an OO database (you may inherit, have object identifiers, etc), and it doesn't suffer from MySQL's self-admitted limitations, mainly the lack of stored procedures and triggers. -- O Ernest E. Vogelsinger (\)ICQ #13394035 ^ http://www.vogelsinger.at/ -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] Convince teh boss
On Thu, 07 Nov 2002 10:45:18 +0100, you wrote: BTW, is there any reason why PostgreSQL is not mentioned here? While it seems there are far more MySQL installations, I personally value PostgreSQL higher... it's OpenSource as well, it's an OO database (you may inherit, have object identifiers, etc), and it doesn't suffer from MySQL's self-admitted limitations, mainly the lack of stored procedures and triggers. I agree, I'm a big fan of PostgreSQL as well. I started using MySQL with PHP, but now I have used PostgreSQL for three seperate production databases and I find it just as easy to use as MySQL, and much more flexible. I think the general feeling among PHP developers (especially beginners) is that MySQL is easier to work with, but I personally don't understand that. I think the command line 'psql' is just as easy as the command line 'mysql', and when I need a GUI I think pgAdmin II fills in nicely. And you get foreign keys, triggers, stored procedures, sub-selects, unions, etc. etc. etc. Sorry, just had to send a me too response... :) -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] Convince teh boss
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 The reason pgsql is not mentioned is that the document began as me trying to convince my boss to use LAMP (P==PHP, not PostgreSQL). I only posted when I realized how much time I had spent on the thing. I have decided to create a list that I'll post to my web site, and keep current. That can have postgre as long as people are willing to help maintain it (same goes for mysql, php, apache, and linux). Hell I can just create a little PHP script and have an administrator for each component. If someone really wants, they can do ASP, JSP, Perl, Python, whatever... eMail me if interested. That aside, my understanding is that MySQL recently added support for transactions + stored procedures... Am I wrong? Has this been applied to the stable branch, or just dev? On Thursday 07 November 2002 06:14 am, Michael Sims wrote: On Thu, 07 Nov 2002 10:45:18 +0100, you wrote: BTW, is there any reason why PostgreSQL is not mentioned here? While it seems there are far more MySQL installations, I personally value PostgreSQL higher... it's OpenSource as well, it's an OO database (you may inherit, have object identifiers, etc), and it doesn't suffer from MySQL's self-admitted limitations, mainly the lack of stored procedures and triggers. I agree, I'm a big fan of PostgreSQL as well. I started using MySQL with PHP, but now I have used PostgreSQL for three seperate production databases and I find it just as easy to use as MySQL, and much more flexible. I think the general feeling among PHP developers (especially beginners) is that MySQL is easier to work with, but I personally don't understand that. I think the command line 'psql' is just as easy as the command line 'mysql', and when I need a GUI I think pgAdmin II fills in nicely. And you get foreign keys, triggers, stored procedures, sub-selects, unions, etc. etc. etc. Sorry, just had to send a me too response... :) -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.0.7 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE9ypwe/rncFku1MdIRAoDwAKCwDWq1rfRHfle1OJohYQh/OrBSBwCcDfYI 0R12PKUrWvDY4mGINe4+GL4= =ErJF -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] Convince teh boss
Add to it the Italian Government: Ministry of the Economy and Finance of Italy - National Territory Database: runs: Linux, Apache, PHP, Ruby for Interface -- Maxim Maletsky [EMAIL PROTECTED] Evan Nemerson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote... : -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Okay, it took me a long (expletive deleted) time, so I figured I should share. Here is a list of popular web sites running Apache, PHP, MySQL, and Linux. If there are any errors, I apologize. This is not meant to be a definitive work. In fact, I wasn't even planning on posting it... until i looked at the clock ;) This list is designed to convice teh boss (no type-o). If your boss is a bandwagon kind of guy, afraid to take risks, this is for you- er- him. And you. Him in that he can read it, you in that if he accepts LAMP, you're life will be a much more joyous existance ;) - Apache: By far the most popular web server, with 60.54% market share. Its closest competitor, Microsoft's IIS, has 28.89%. If all variants of each server are counted, Apache's install base increases to 62.17%, while IIS manages 29.42%). Statistics are from http://www.netcraft.net/survey Apache users: Yahoo! Amazon.com AltaVista BBC mp3.com SlashDot HP W3C IBM Verizon FEMA Infoseek PHP: In April 2002, PHP overtook ASP as the #1 server-side scripting language on the internet. In April, PHP was used by 24% of the sites on the Internet. Over the past two years PHP has averaged a 6.5% monthly growth rate. Source: zend.com/news/zendpr.php?id=49 PHP users: Cisco CMG Vodafone Motorola Siemens Ericsson CBS Unilever Philips BMC NTT Air Canada Lufthansa OnVista Lycos Europe Deutsche Bank NASA W3C MySQL: It isn't as easy to determine which database a site uses, but here is a list of sites that do use MySQL, according to MySQL.com: Yahoo! Finance Texas Instruments U.S. Census Bureau NASA Omaha Steaks Slashdot Cross Media Marketing Corp Powell's Books Department of Academic Information Systems Avacom Net Services Blue World Communications CoreSense Ericsson handy.de mobile.de Nemo-Q Silicon Storage Technology, Inc. Virage Linux: I can't find a list for this... I figured these out by trying big sites that came to mind. I didn't encounter a single Microsoft site, but I did get a few *BSD sites, and several Solaris sites. FBI Google Amazon AltaVista Slashdot Verizon FEMA CNN Security: Here's a list of security companies/groups that run any LAMP component: Security Focus(LA) Symantec (L) CERT (LA) Packet Storm (A) FBI (L) OSVDB (LA) At Stake (LA) Netcraft (LA) TESO (L) Phenoelit (LA) Doxpara (LAP) NGS Software (LAMP) PivX (LAP) Grey Magic(LAMP) Phrack(AP) *** It should be noted that just because a component doesn't appear in the list doesn't mean it's not running. The only way I could figure out MySQL was sending a SYN to TCP/3306. If I got a SYN|ACK, I put an M. MySQL could be (should be) firewalled off, and infosec people know this. Also, infosec people tend to play with banners (hehe look @ TESO's - teso.scene.at), so it's entirely possible they're hiding something... Out of all the infosec sites I tried, I managed to find two Microsofts: NAI and Verisign. I didn't bother with ntbugtraq, windowssecurity, etc- then again, I didn't bother with linuxsecurity, root prompt, etc. Only went with groups who pay attention to all OS's... Phrack and OSVDB are a little biased, but they are still cross-platform. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.0.7 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE9ygtO/rncFku1MdIRAmQpAJ9d+KkYSLhMriuZtI9jsjp3CAmZrACfaWJK Tf0R0hEMSICjAi6v9nz67GU= =Jj3Q -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] Convince teh boss
Also, here is a list i once used myself to convince some of my clients: http://news.php.net/article.php?group=php.evangelismarticle=121 -- Maxim Maletsky [EMAIL PROTECTED] Evan Nemerson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote... : -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Okay, it took me a long (expletive deleted) time, so I figured I should share. Here is a list of popular web sites running Apache, PHP, MySQL, and Linux. If there are any errors, I apologize. This is not meant to be a definitive work. In fact, I wasn't even planning on posting it... until i looked at the clock ;) This list is designed to convice teh boss (no type-o). If your boss is a bandwagon kind of guy, afraid to take risks, this is for you- er- him. And you. Him in that he can read it, you in that if he accepts LAMP, you're life will be a much more joyous existance ;) - Apache: By far the most popular web server, with 60.54% market share. Its closest competitor, Microsoft's IIS, has 28.89%. If all variants of each server are counted, Apache's install base increases to 62.17%, while IIS manages 29.42%). Statistics are from http://www.netcraft.net/survey Apache users: Yahoo! Amazon.com AltaVista BBC mp3.com SlashDot HP W3C IBM Verizon FEMA Infoseek PHP: In April 2002, PHP overtook ASP as the #1 server-side scripting language on the internet. In April, PHP was used by 24% of the sites on the Internet. Over the past two years PHP has averaged a 6.5% monthly growth rate. Source: zend.com/news/zendpr.php?id=49 PHP users: Cisco CMG Vodafone Motorola Siemens Ericsson CBS Unilever Philips BMC NTT Air Canada Lufthansa OnVista Lycos Europe Deutsche Bank NASA W3C MySQL: It isn't as easy to determine which database a site uses, but here is a list of sites that do use MySQL, according to MySQL.com: Yahoo! Finance Texas Instruments U.S. Census Bureau NASA Omaha Steaks Slashdot Cross Media Marketing Corp Powell's Books Department of Academic Information Systems Avacom Net Services Blue World Communications CoreSense Ericsson handy.de mobile.de Nemo-Q Silicon Storage Technology, Inc. Virage Linux: I can't find a list for this... I figured these out by trying big sites that came to mind. I didn't encounter a single Microsoft site, but I did get a few *BSD sites, and several Solaris sites. FBI Google Amazon AltaVista Slashdot Verizon FEMA CNN Security: Here's a list of security companies/groups that run any LAMP component: Security Focus(LA) Symantec (L) CERT (LA) Packet Storm (A) FBI (L) OSVDB (LA) At Stake (LA) Netcraft (LA) TESO (L) Phenoelit (LA) Doxpara (LAP) NGS Software (LAMP) PivX (LAP) Grey Magic(LAMP) Phrack(AP) *** It should be noted that just because a component doesn't appear in the list doesn't mean it's not running. The only way I could figure out MySQL was sending a SYN to TCP/3306. If I got a SYN|ACK, I put an M. MySQL could be (should be) firewalled off, and infosec people know this. Also, infosec people tend to play with banners (hehe look @ TESO's - teso.scene.at), so it's entirely possible they're hiding something... Out of all the infosec sites I tried, I managed to find two Microsofts: NAI and Verisign. I didn't bother with ntbugtraq, windowssecurity, etc- then again, I didn't bother with linuxsecurity, root prompt, etc. Only went with groups who pay attention to all OS's... Phrack and OSVDB are a little biased, but they are still cross-platform. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.0.7 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE9ygtO/rncFku1MdIRAmQpAJ9d+KkYSLhMriuZtI9jsjp3CAmZrACfaWJK Tf0R0hEMSICjAi6v9nz67GU= =Jj3Q -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] Convince teh boss
hi, thanx for that list it's really convincing for these Microsofts :) just something i wanted to ask about, is it a good thing or better for security to hide the script name from the address bar, through that list i found all the PHP pages hidden with HTML names, i don't know the technique exactly, but is it useful? Note: I have found simens website using JSP ;) don't worry i won't tell any one :) khalid _ Add photos to your e-mail with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/featuredemail -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
