php-general Digest 10 Dec 2010 13:27:02 -0000 Issue 7079

2010-12-10 Thread php-general-digest-help
php-general Digest 10 Dec 2010 13:27:02 - Issue 7079 Topics (messages 309938 through 309948): PHP 5.2.15 Released! 309938 by: Ilia Alshanetsky Re: ORM doctrine 309939 by: Larry Garfield 309940 by: Daevid Vincent 309941 by: Tommy Pham 309942 by: Paul

php-general Digest 11 Dec 2010 01:37:02 -0000 Issue 7080

2010-12-10 Thread php-general-digest-help
php-general Digest 11 Dec 2010 01:37:02 - Issue 7080 Topics (messages 309949 through 309960): Re: ORM doctrine 309949 by: Robert Cummings 309951 by: Lester Caine 309952 by: tedd 309953 by: Tommy Pham 309954 by: Joshua Kehn 309955 by:

[PHP] A general discussion of libraries and frameworks

2010-12-10 Thread Adam Richardson
I see that the ORM thread has generated a broad-ranging discussion. Some of the posts have discussed the utility of frameworks and/or libraries, and because it's Friday, I thought I'd toss out my observations on the subject and see what ideas those on the list had regarding the subject.

RE: [PHP] ORM doctrine

2010-12-10 Thread Tommy Pham
-Original Message- From: Philip Thompson [mailto:philthath...@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, December 09, 2010 10:59 PM To: php-general List Subject: Re: [PHP] ORM doctrine On Dec 10, 2010, at 12:00 AM, Paul M Foster wrote: On Thu, Dec 09, 2010 at 07:41:32PM -0800, Daevid Vincent

RE: [PHP] A general discussion of libraries and frameworks

2010-12-10 Thread Tommy Pham
-Original Message- From: Adam Richardson [mailto:simples...@gmail.com] Sent: Friday, December 10, 2010 12:05 AM To: PHP-General Subject: [PHP] A general discussion of libraries and frameworks I see that the ORM thread has generated a broad-ranging discussion. Some of the posts

Re: [PHP] A general discussion of libraries and frameworks

2010-12-10 Thread Richard Quadling
On 10 December 2010 12:07, Tommy Pham tommy...@gmail.com wrote: Ironically, both projects are started by the same person. So that old adage of there being at least 2 PHP frameworks per PHP developer still holds true! -- Richard Quadling Twitter : EE : Zend @RQuadling : e-e.com/M_248814.html :

RE: [PHP] A general discussion of libraries and frameworks

2010-12-10 Thread Bob McConnell
From: Adam Richardson As one point of curiosity, I'm wondering when a function or group of functions is, in your eyes, deemed a library. I tend to use the pornography approach to identifying a library (I know it when I see it), but I'm sure there's a more formal analysis. For some, maybe

Re: [PHP] ORM doctrine

2010-12-10 Thread Robert Cummings
On 10-12-09 10:41 PM, Daevid Vincent wrote: -Original Message- If you value CPU time over developer time, by all means avoid ORM frameworks (and *all* frameworks). The point of a common framework is to trade a small bit of performance for a large amount of developer time. If you

Re: [PHP] No errors gets displayed, just a blank page

2010-12-10 Thread tedd
At 7:04 PM + 12/8/10, Ashley Sheridan wrote: I'd also check any errors logs for this site made by Apache, as that will tell you where PHP is falling over. If you have access to the whole server run a 'tail -f' command in a terminal and go to your site again in the browser, that way, you'll

Re: [PHP] ORM doctrine

2010-12-10 Thread Lester Caine
Robert Cummings wrote: Use PHP the way God intended it to be used. Could you cite a reference for where God states his intentions on PHP? Any PHP developers BLOG ;) We are all gods ... -- Lester Caine - G8HFL - Contact - http://lsces.co.uk/wiki/?page=contact

Re: [PHP] ORM doctrine

2010-12-10 Thread tedd
At 9:53 AM -0500 12/10/10, Robert Cummings wrote: On 10-12-09 10:41 PM, Daevid Vincent wrote: Use PHP the way God intended it to be used. Could you cite a reference for where God states his intentions on PHP? Thanks, Rob. Mark:7:34 And looking up to heaven, he sighed, and saith unto him,

RE: [PHP] ORM doctrine

2010-12-10 Thread Tommy Pham
-Original Message- From: tedd [mailto:tedd.sperl...@gmail.com] Sent: Friday, December 10, 2010 8:20 AM To: Robert Cummings; Daevid Vincent Cc: php-general@lists.php.net Subject: Re: [PHP] ORM doctrine At 9:53 AM -0500 12/10/10, Robert Cummings wrote: On 10-12-09 10:41 PM, Daevid

Re: [PHP] ORM doctrine

2010-12-10 Thread Joshua Kehn
On Dec 10, 2010, at 11:20 AM, tedd wrote: At 9:53 AM -0500 12/10/10, Robert Cummings wrote: On 10-12-09 10:41 PM, Daevid Vincent wrote: Use PHP the way God intended it to be used. Could you cite a reference for where God states his intentions on PHP? Thanks, Rob. Mark:7:34 And

Re: [PHP] A general discussion of libraries and frameworks

2010-12-10 Thread Adam Richardson
On Fri, Dec 10, 2010 at 8:26 AM, Bob McConnell r...@cbord.com wrote: From: Adam Richardson As one point of curiosity, I'm wondering when a function or group of functions is, in your eyes, deemed a library. I tend to use the pornography approach to identifying a library (I know it when I

Re: [PHP] ORM doctrine

2010-12-10 Thread David Harkness
On Thu, Dec 9, 2010 at 7:41 PM, Daevid Vincent dae...@daevid.com wrote: I disagree. If you use a framework, then you're stuck with it. Bugs and all (and trust me there are bugs and limitations you WILL run into). I have fixed bugs locally in third party libraries; I have submitted them for

FW: [PHP] A general discussion of libraries and frameworks

2010-12-10 Thread Tommy Pham
I think I didn't hit reply-all. PICNIC moment :D -Original Message- From: Tommy Pham [mailto:tommy...@gmail.com] Sent: Friday, December 10, 2010 11:01 AM To: Adam Richardson Subject: Re: [PHP] A general discussion of libraries and frameworks On Fri, Dec 10, 2010 at 9:23 AM, Adam

Re: [PHP] code quest - ECHO?!?

2010-12-10 Thread Kirk Bailey
Ok, so what is echo, and how is it different from print. The code in code quest used echo. I have a copy of learning php 5.0 from O'Reilly, and noplace does it mention echo. Why? What's the difference? IS there a difference? Is there an advantage to either? Please clarify for this newbie.