[PHP] Re: PHP 6 and MySQL 5 for Dynamic Web Sites Book
At 10:11 PM -0400 8/6/09, Larry Ullman wrote: -snip- Sorry for the length, but I hope that helps. And thanks again. Larry Larry: No, thank you for your most excellent books -- I think I've purchased every one one you've written. They have helped me. Cheers, tedd -- --- http://sperling.com http://ancientstones.com http://earthstones.com -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
[PHP] Re: PHP 6 and MySQL 5 for Dynamic Web Sites Book
Hi Larry, nice to have a comment from the editor, and I want to say thanks for writing this book. however this discussion was initiated by a newbie asking what book he should use to learn php. ur book is important to the community of php freaks ! it saved my time to see where the path is going through ! without reading and surving on the web about the php6 branch. i do have ur book on 4 and 5 as well and the new book i could just use to overfly the php6 related parts and i was in the picture what COULD happen. thanks for ur work. however, for a newbie ? he would wonder why his production server tells him about parse errors of unknown construction, because its 5,x as I said earlier, learning a family starting with a baby, however if you are familiar with the family, you should get to know the new baby. ralph_def...@yahoo.de Larry Ullman la...@dmcinsights.com wrote in message news:0c4de4e7-8169-4477-8d70-25cca96eb...@dmcinsights.com... Thanks to the OP for the interest in the book and to everyone else for their input. So here's what happened, from the writer/horse's mouth: It was time to write an update to the book because the second edition had been out for 3+ years or so, I think. It wasn't a money-making effort (i.e., get people to buy another copy) but rather a touch-up to make sure it's current enough. I had to make some decisions about what versions to support; the previous edition supported both PHP 4 and 5. PHP 6 was more than 50% complete at the time I started writing it and I thought the Unicode support was a pretty big deal, this being an ever-increasing global web...marketplace...blah...blah...blah. So I wanted to start thinking along those lines and as I didn't know when the fourth edition of the book would be written, I thought I'd get an early jump on PHP 6. Yes, PHP 6 wasn't nearly finalized at the time and no hosting companies were using it, but many hosting companies are still using PHP 4 and PHP 6 *is* available for playing around with. So that was my reasoning. In the end, only a bit more than one chapter _requires_ PHP 6 and I do like looking a bit into the future of Web development and PHP. Also, as I don't discuss OOP in this book (gasp!, I leave that to my more advanced PHP book because a decent discussion of OOP requires at least 150 pages and I'd need to cut out more important topics to include it in this book), some of the features being discussed in PHP 6 weren't problematic for the book one way or the other (like namespaces, which ended up on PHP 5.3). Again, the Unicode support was my main thinking. Two years later, had I known PHP 6 still wouldn't be out, I probably wouldn't have touched it at all and I do feel a bit sheepish about having a book out there on PHP 6 when PHP 6 isn't out there (for production purposes), but these things do happen to books, particularly with open-source projects that have no need to adhere to deadlines. Still, I would like to think that at worst, 10% of the material isn't usable today on production servers but still has a philosophical benefit. To atone for my prematurity, I do try to support the book as much as possible, I try to talk about all this versioning stuff in publish ways (like on the Amazon page for the book), and I don't think there's anything wrong with someone buying the second edition if they're a bit concerned about the PHP 6 thing. (In theory, I guess someone could, um, buy another writer's book, but I prefer to plead ignorance of such outcomes.) We--the publisher and I--also did consciously change the title of the book from PHP and MySQL for Dynamic... to PHP 6 and MySQL 5 for Dynamic... to indicate the distinctions being made. Sorry for the length, but I hope that helps. And thanks again. Larry -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] Re: PHP 6 and MySQL 5 for Dynamic Web Sites Book
On Thu, 2009-08-06 at 02:55 +0200, Ralph Deffke wrote: why do u stick to php 6? i would recommend www.scribd.com and have a search on PHP. there are books on beginners for php5 and articles of the difference to php 6. a very usefull site by the way, made me stopping buying books. loads of material on IT stuff. ralph ralph_def...@yahoo.de sono...@fannullone.us wrote in message news:43bda83e-2383-48a8-87ca-4408244fa...@fannullone.us... Has anyone read this book by Larry Ullman yet? If so, what do you think about it? I'm looking for a well-rounded book that covers PHP for e-commerce websites and from what little I've been able to find online, it looks pretty good. Or would you recommend another book? I know that no book has all the answers - I just want something in my hands to read. However, I've bought a few Perl books that were a waste of money, so this time, I thought I'd ask first. Thanks, Frank I'd focus on PHP 5 more than 6 just now, as the majority of hosting companies out there are still only offering PHP 5 installations. Learning 6 without learning 5 could lead you into some very interesting conversations with clients! Thanks, Ash http://www.ashleysheridan.co.uk -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
[PHP] Re: PHP 6 and MySQL 5 for Dynamic Web Sites Book
Thanks to the OP for the interest in the book and to everyone else for their input. So here's what happened, from the writer/horse's mouth: It was time to write an update to the book because the second edition had been out for 3+ years or so, I think. It wasn't a money-making effort (i.e., get people to buy another copy) but rather a touch-up to make sure it's current enough. I had to make some decisions about what versions to support; the previous edition supported both PHP 4 and 5. PHP 6 was more than 50% complete at the time I started writing it and I thought the Unicode support was a pretty big deal, this being an ever-increasing global web...marketplace...blah...blah...blah. So I wanted to start thinking along those lines and as I didn't know when the fourth edition of the book would be written, I thought I'd get an early jump on PHP 6. Yes, PHP 6 wasn't nearly finalized at the time and no hosting companies were using it, but many hosting companies are still using PHP 4 and PHP 6 *is* available for playing around with. So that was my reasoning. In the end, only a bit more than one chapter _requires_ PHP 6 and I do like looking a bit into the future of Web development and PHP. Also, as I don't discuss OOP in this book (gasp!, I leave that to my more advanced PHP book because a decent discussion of OOP requires at least 150 pages and I'd need to cut out more important topics to include it in this book), some of the features being discussed in PHP 6 weren't problematic for the book one way or the other (like namespaces, which ended up on PHP 5.3). Again, the Unicode support was my main thinking. Two years later, had I known PHP 6 still wouldn't be out, I probably wouldn't have touched it at all and I do feel a bit sheepish about having a book out there on PHP 6 when PHP 6 isn't out there (for production purposes), but these things do happen to books, particularly with open-source projects that have no need to adhere to deadlines. Still, I would like to think that at worst, 10% of the material isn't usable today on production servers but still has a philosophical benefit. To atone for my prematurity, I do try to support the book as much as possible, I try to talk about all this versioning stuff in publish ways (like on the Amazon page for the book), and I don't think there's anything wrong with someone buying the second edition if they're a bit concerned about the PHP 6 thing. (In theory, I guess someone could, um, buy another writer's book, but I prefer to plead ignorance of such outcomes.) We--the publisher and I--also did consciously change the title of the book from PHP and MySQL for Dynamic... to PHP 6 and MySQL 5 for Dynamic... to indicate the distinctions being made. Sorry for the length, but I hope that helps. And thanks again. Larry -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
[PHP] Re: PHP 6 and MySQL 5 for Dynamic Web Sites Book
why do u stick to php 6? i would recommend www.scribd.com and have a search on PHP. there are books on beginners for php5 and articles of the difference to php 6. a very usefull site by the way, made me stopping buying books. loads of material on IT stuff. ralph ralph_def...@yahoo.de sono...@fannullone.us wrote in message news:43bda83e-2383-48a8-87ca-4408244fa...@fannullone.us... Has anyone read this book by Larry Ullman yet? If so, what do you think about it? I'm looking for a well-rounded book that covers PHP for e-commerce websites and from what little I've been able to find online, it looks pretty good. Or would you recommend another book? I know that no book has all the answers - I just want something in my hands to read. However, I've bought a few Perl books that were a waste of money, so this time, I thought I'd ask first. Thanks, Frank -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
