[PHP] Re: [PEAR-DEV] Re: [binarycloud-dev] Re: [PEAR-DEV] Re:[metabase-dev] RE: [PEAR-DEV] New Metabase Aniversary release

2002-01-25 Thread Stig S. Bakken

On Tue, 2002-01-22 at 22:24, Björn Schotte wrote:
 * Alex Black wrote:
   Of course, but no one forces you to do that. I, as a developer,
   can choose if I want to use PEAR::Metabase in my application
   or PEAR::DB.
  Yes, which is not a good idea. If you're tying to get people to use a common
  set of high quality classes, you'll need to introduce some standards.
 
 But furthermore you need to assure that you don't influence
 people too much while promoting PEAR as the new solution on
 PHP's heaven.
  
  difference. I have no interest in PEAR as an application framework, I like
  it as it is: pool of classes that follow coding standards.
 
 Yep.
  
  If PEAR will allow multiple versions of a foundation component like database
  abstraction, then PEAR certainly is CPAN, with coding standards added.
 
 I really don't think so. If it would be, I can't see any
 disadvantages. Why should PEAR people force the developers
 to use the one and only DB abstraction class?

Nobody is forcing anyone to do anything, but the fact is that if you
want to make components that deal with databases, you need to support
one or more database APIs.  Most people will feel that supporting
several database abstraction layers is a waste of time, so we wish to
provide _one_ API that all PEAR components can leverage.  If we are too
chicken to make this decision, we can't make interoperable components.

Now we've even decided to merge PEAR DB and Metabase, and today it seems
most people are tired of having multiple database layers, and welcome
this effort.  I don't understand why this is an issue for you, could you
explain?

 - Stig


--
PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/)
To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To contact the list administrators, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]




[PHP] Re: [PEAR-DEV] Re: [binarycloud-dev] Re: [PEAR-DEV] Re: [metabase-dev] RE: [PEAR-DEV] New Metabase Aniversary release

2002-01-25 Thread Björn Schotte

* Stig S. Bakken wrote:
 this effort.  I don't understand why this is an issue for you, could you
 explain?

I already explained it several times.

-- 
PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/)
To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To contact the list administrators, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]




[PHP] Re: [PEAR-DEV] Re: [binarycloud-dev] Re: [PEAR-DEV] Re: [metabase-dev] RE: [PEAR-DEV] New Metabase Aniversary release

2002-01-25 Thread Manuel Lemos

Hello,

Björn Schotte wrote:
 
 * Stig S. Bakken wrote:
  this effort.  I don't understand why this is an issue for you, could you
  explain?
 
 I already explained it several times.

I understand your concern of this PEAR-DB x Metabase merger may open a
precedent that will motivate others to come along with their components
and propose mergers with other PEAR-DB components.

I think that is a good precedent because it will let PEAR components
implementations evolve, of course by keeping backwards compatibility to
not break the applications of people that rely on the current
implementation of PEAR components.

Of course, like with PEAR-DB x Metabase, no component merger should
happen if the interested parties do not agree with the terms of merger.
If a favourable decision is made, it should be because the agreed merger
terms were beneficial to the interested parties.

Here interested parties means, the proposing authors and some PEAR
representatives preferrably elected in a democratic process to evaluate
proposals and make decisions regarding them. Currently there is nobody
elected as PEAR representative but if I got it right it should happen
some time soon.

Regards,
Manuel Lemos

-- 
PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/)
To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To contact the list administrators, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]