RE: [PHP] ie6 "memory could not be read" help!
> In a lot of the work I do these days I have to support IE6 because it's > the defacto browser in various government departments. It'll be sometime > before it is completely ousted. Rob, same is for me, I have to deal with this "browser" all problems it has every single day, 'cause financial companies would like to have the last fashion web based application ignoring they are using the worse case scenario browser. We tried to drop IE6 support for at least version 7 when 8 became official ... and you know what? Absolutely nothing changed, it's like to deal with Windows Millennium when you are trying to develop an anti virus with firewall ... a massive waste of time. Fortunately these company still have money to pay extra hours and effotr for IE6 ... so I do my job, and that's it. Regards _ More than messages–check out the rest of the Windows Live™. http://www.microsoft.com/windows/windowslive/
Re: [PHP] ie6 "memory could not be read" help!
Andrea Giammarchi wrote: At that point I would consider IE6 "broke". Hahah... it was broken at the starting gate... probably by design. Every standard conformance test can tell you since years that IE6 is broken. At that point, you'll be exactly in the same situation, if your customers do not want to update for same reason they are not doing right now, why would you leave them "alone" next July when everybody is screaming against that horror software. IE6 had glorious days 7 years ago, now it's like complaining that petrol stations do not sell carbon to go anymore ... the utopia is: if tomorrow everybody will stop to support IE6 these deprecated companies will have to update - it works with everything, marketing speaking, it does not work with IE6, 'cause it's Microsoft marketing. Finally, apparently IE6 support is reminded until 2014, but for "support" they mean only major security problems with zero fixes about leaks, render engine, JScript, CSS support, etc etc ... but of course with SilverLight everything will be fantastic and still Microsoft Approved, they are simply doing their business, and we are simply passively following it. In a lot of the work I do these days I have to support IE6 because it's the defacto browser in various government departments. It'll be sometime before it is completely ousted. Cheers, Rob. -- http://www.interjinn.com Application and Templating Framework for PHP -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
RE: [PHP] ie6 "memory could not be read" help!
> At that point I would consider IE6 "broke". Every standard conformance test can tell you since years that IE6 is broken. At that point, you'll be exactly in the same situation, if your customers do not want to update for same reason they are not doing right now, why would you leave them "alone" next July when everybody is screaming against that horror software. IE6 had glorious days 7 years ago, now it's like complaining that petrol stations do not sell carbon to go anymore ... the utopia is: if tomorrow everybody will stop to support IE6 these deprecated companies will have to update - it works with everything, marketing speaking, it does not work with IE6, 'cause it's Microsoft marketing. Finally, apparently IE6 support is reminded until 2014, but for "support" they mean only major security problems with zero fixes about leaks, render engine, JScript, CSS support, etc etc ... but of course with SilverLight everything will be fantastic and still Microsoft Approved, they are simply doing their business, and we are simply passively following it. _ With Windows Live, you can organize, edit, and share your photos. http://www.microsoft.com/middleeast/windows/windowslive/products/photo-gallery-edit.aspx
Re: [PHP] ie6 "memory could not be read" help!
> I bought a Windows XP PC about three years ago with IE6 on it (I > normally do all my work in Linux). I haven't upgraded it, and I can't > imagine why the average user would. If it ain't broke (and most users > wouldn't consider IE6 broken), don't fix it. I agree in general, but eventually Microsoft will stop releasing security updates for IE6. It's hard to tell exactly, but right now it seems like that may happen next July: http://support.microsoft.com/gp/lifesupsps/#Internet_Explorer At that point I would consider IE6 "broke". Ben -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
RE: [PHP] ie6 "memory could not be read" help!
I wonder what should happen if your customers will ask you PHP 3 applications because their internal server is that old ... and I mean your *current* application for PHP3 ... well, IE 6 has the same impact for the Web Development. I am not saying we can dismiss its support, specially if we work behind banks or big lazy but somehow well paid companies administrators whose do not truly need internet related business, otherwise they would have updated ages ago to something more robust, with better performances, standards support, and more powerful, but at least we should never encourage our customers to keep using it, they are simply slowly cutting their self out of the web and every possibility it could offer. Security and Legacy? IE6 is the most bugged browser in the history of the web, so this is another reason to do not encourage our customers. Regards _ Share your memories online with anyone you want. http://www.microsoft.com/middleeast/windows/windowslive/products/photos-share.aspx?tab=1
Re: [PHP] ie6 "memory could not be read" help!
On Thu, 2009-09-17 at 20:56 +0200, Ralph Deffke wrote: > Yes, there is A LOT. > > to make u aware that this is the last version be able to run under windows > 2000. windows 2000 however is the last professional version of windows made > by microsoft. I don't know any bigger company using other os. All banks, > stock traders (wall street etc.) are still using 2k. Microsoft wanted in > 2005 to stopp maintaining 2k but still until today they improving the os. > > preventing IE6 from viewing ur sites is cutting away all professional window > users. > > ralph_def...@yahoo.de > > ""HallMarc Websites"" wrote in message > news:!&!aaayacoynf9yfjpghykdv3koofzcgaaaea6vnkzo3vbkpufhofaqoloba...@hallmarcwebsites.com... > > Wow. IMHO that is a really bad stance to take on IE 6. Most offices still > > have IE 6 for whatever reason. If you block them then you are blocking > > possible clients. There is still a large percentage that still use it. > > > > > > Thank you, > > Marc Hall > > HallMarc Websites > > 610.446.3346 > > > > > -Original Message- > > > From: Philip Thompson [mailto:philthath...@gmail.com] > > > Sent: Thursday, September 17, 2009 1:56 PM > > > To: PHP General list > > > Subject: Re: [PHP] ie6 "memory could not be read" help! > > > > > > On Sep 17, 2009, at 4:04 AM, Ashley Sheridan wrote: > > > > > > > On Thu, 2009-09-17 at 16:41 +0800, Shelley wrote: > > > >> Hi all, > > > >> > > > >> With IE6, > > > >> > > > >> After the pages i developed was loaded, there seems to be no > > > problem, > > > >> but when you then click a link, refresh the page, etc. it shows > > > >> "memory > > > >> could not be 'read'" error message. > > > >> > > > >> However, when you load other sites, google.com, for example, there > > > >> is no > > > >> such problem. > > > >> > > > >> Anybody knows how to fix this problem? > > > >> > > > >> Any help is appreciated & thanks in advance. > > > >> > > > > > > > > http://support.microsoft.com/kb/899811 > > > > > > > > first result from a Google search > > > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > Ash > > > > > > Since this post is not PHP-related, I'll continue the trend. Are > > > people still using IE6? In sites I design, I prevent the user from > > > viewing it. If they're still on IE6, I don't want them to use my sites. > > > > > > Cheers, > > > ~Philip > > > > > > -- > > > PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) > > > To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php > > > > > > > > > __ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus > > > signature database 4434 (20090917) __ > > > > > > The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. > > > > > > http://www.eset.com > > > > > > > > > > > __ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus > signature > > database 4434 (20090917) __ > > > > The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. > > > > http://www.eset.com > > > > > > > I'd go to say that for general websites, things like the failed PNG transparency issue in IE6 can be ignored. Yes, your sites will look a bit rubbish in the browser if you use a lot of transparent PNGs for visual effects, but it will remain functional. That is not so if your site relies too heavily on some functions of Javascript. At the end of the day, stats are meaningless unless they apply to your own site. Thanks, Ash http://www.ashleysheridan.co.uk -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] ie6 "memory could not be read" help!
On Thu, Sep 17, 2009 at 12:56:09PM -0500, Philip Thompson wrote: > On Sep 17, 2009, at 4:04 AM, Ashley Sheridan wrote: > >> On Thu, 2009-09-17 at 16:41 +0800, Shelley wrote: >>> Hi all, >>> >>> With IE6, >>> >>> After the pages i developed was loaded, there seems to be no problem, >>> but when you then click a link, refresh the page, etc. it shows >>> "memory >>> could not be 'read'" error message. >>> >>> However, when you load other sites, google.com, for example, there >>> is no >>> such problem. >>> >>> Anybody knows how to fix this problem? >>> >>> Any help is appreciated & thanks in advance. >>> >> >> http://support.microsoft.com/kb/899811 >> >> first result from a Google search >> >> Thanks, >> Ash > > Since this post is not PHP-related, I'll continue the trend. Are > people still using IE6? In sites I design, I prevent the user from > viewing it. If they're still on IE6, I don't want them to use my sites. I bought a Windows XP PC about three years ago with IE6 on it (I normally do all my work in Linux). I haven't upgraded it, and I can't imagine why the average user would. If it ain't broke (and most users wouldn't consider IE6 broken), don't fix it. I will say this, though. Since I normally browse with Firefox on Linux, if a site gets pissy with me and insists I use IE or Mozilla on Windows, I typically don't go there anymore. So if you're interested in driving off people who are less technologically advanced than you'd like, I think you'll probably succeed. Paul -- Paul M. Foster -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] ie6 "memory could not be read" help!
Yes, there is A LOT. to make u aware that this is the last version be able to run under windows 2000. windows 2000 however is the last professional version of windows made by microsoft. I don't know any bigger company using other os. All banks, stock traders (wall street etc.) are still using 2k. Microsoft wanted in 2005 to stopp maintaining 2k but still until today they improving the os. preventing IE6 from viewing ur sites is cutting away all professional window users. ralph_def...@yahoo.de ""HallMarc Websites"" wrote in message news:!&!aaayacoynf9yfjpghykdv3koofzcgaaaea6vnkzo3vbkpufhofaqoloba...@hallmarcwebsites.com... > Wow. IMHO that is a really bad stance to take on IE 6. Most offices still > have IE 6 for whatever reason. If you block them then you are blocking > possible clients. There is still a large percentage that still use it. > > > Thank you, > Marc Hall > HallMarc Websites > 610.446.3346 > > > -Original Message- > > From: Philip Thompson [mailto:philthath...@gmail.com] > > Sent: Thursday, September 17, 2009 1:56 PM > > To: PHP General list > > Subject: Re: [PHP] ie6 "memory could not be read" help! > > > > On Sep 17, 2009, at 4:04 AM, Ashley Sheridan wrote: > > > > > On Thu, 2009-09-17 at 16:41 +0800, Shelley wrote: > > >> Hi all, > > >> > > >> With IE6, > > >> > > >> After the pages i developed was loaded, there seems to be no > > problem, > > >> but when you then click a link, refresh the page, etc. it shows > > >> "memory > > >> could not be 'read'" error message. > > >> > > >> However, when you load other sites, google.com, for example, there > > >> is no > > >> such problem. > > >> > > >> Anybody knows how to fix this problem? > > >> > > >> Any help is appreciated & thanks in advance. > > >> > > > > > > http://support.microsoft.com/kb/899811 > > > > > > first result from a Google search > > > > > > Thanks, > > > Ash > > > > Since this post is not PHP-related, I'll continue the trend. Are > > people still using IE6? In sites I design, I prevent the user from > > viewing it. If they're still on IE6, I don't want them to use my sites. > > > > Cheers, > > ~Philip > > > > -- > > PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) > > To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php > > > > > > __ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus > > signature database 4434 (20090917) __ > > > > The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. > > > > http://www.eset.com > > > > > > __ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature > database 4434 (20090917) __ > > The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. > > http://www.eset.com > > -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] ie6 "memory could not be read" help!
> have IE 6 for whatever reason. If you block them then you are blocking > possible clients. There is still a large percentage that still use it. I think that percentage depends on the target audience. There was a kerfuffle several months back (maybe a year ago now?) when 37signals announced that they would no longer work around IE6's limitations in Basecamp. A lot of people presented the above argument in the support forums and they said, "We've analyzed our logs and we know how many of our users run IE6, and it's not very many". My preference is to make sure my stuff is functional in IE6, but to forget about pixel-perfect. But I tend to go light on Javascript in general, so it's not that big of a deal usually. Ben -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
RE: [PHP] ie6 "memory could not be read" help!
Wow. IMHO that is a really bad stance to take on IE 6. Most offices still have IE 6 for whatever reason. If you block them then you are blocking possible clients. There is still a large percentage that still use it. Thank you, Marc Hall HallMarc Websites 610.446.3346 > -Original Message- > From: Philip Thompson [mailto:philthath...@gmail.com] > Sent: Thursday, September 17, 2009 1:56 PM > To: PHP General list > Subject: Re: [PHP] ie6 "memory could not be read" help! > > On Sep 17, 2009, at 4:04 AM, Ashley Sheridan wrote: > > > On Thu, 2009-09-17 at 16:41 +0800, Shelley wrote: > >> Hi all, > >> > >> With IE6, > >> > >> After the pages i developed was loaded, there seems to be no > problem, > >> but when you then click a link, refresh the page, etc. it shows > >> "memory > >> could not be 'read'" error message. > >> > >> However, when you load other sites, google.com, for example, there > >> is no > >> such problem. > >> > >> Anybody knows how to fix this problem? > >> > >> Any help is appreciated & thanks in advance. > >> > > > > http://support.microsoft.com/kb/899811 > > > > first result from a Google search > > > > Thanks, > > Ash > > Since this post is not PHP-related, I'll continue the trend. Are > people still using IE6? In sites I design, I prevent the user from > viewing it. If they're still on IE6, I don't want them to use my sites. > > Cheers, > ~Philip > > -- > PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) > To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php > > > __ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus > signature database 4434 (20090917) __ > > The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. > > http://www.eset.com > __ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature database 4434 (20090917) __ The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. http://www.eset.com -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] ie6 "memory could not be read" help!
On Thu, 2009-09-17 at 12:56 -0500, Philip Thompson wrote: > On Sep 17, 2009, at 4:04 AM, Ashley Sheridan wrote: > > > On Thu, 2009-09-17 at 16:41 +0800, Shelley wrote: > >> Hi all, > >> > >> With IE6, > >> > >> After the pages i developed was loaded, there seems to be no problem, > >> but when you then click a link, refresh the page, etc. it shows > >> "memory > >> could not be 'read'" error message. > >> > >> However, when you load other sites, google.com, for example, there > >> is no > >> such problem. > >> > >> Anybody knows how to fix this problem? > >> > >> Any help is appreciated & thanks in advance. > >> > > > > http://support.microsoft.com/kb/899811 > > > > first result from a Google search > > > > Thanks, > > Ash > > Since this post is not PHP-related, I'll continue the trend. Are > people still using IE6? In sites I design, I prevent the user from > viewing it. If they're still on IE6, I don't want them to use my sites. > > Cheers, > ~Philip > Yeah, the browser is nearly 15 years old! Thanks, Ash http://www.ashleysheridan.co.uk
Re: [PHP] ie6 "memory could not be read" help!
On Sep 17, 2009, at 4:04 AM, Ashley Sheridan wrote: On Thu, 2009-09-17 at 16:41 +0800, Shelley wrote: Hi all, With IE6, After the pages i developed was loaded, there seems to be no problem, but when you then click a link, refresh the page, etc. it shows "memory could not be 'read'" error message. However, when you load other sites, google.com, for example, there is no such problem. Anybody knows how to fix this problem? Any help is appreciated & thanks in advance. http://support.microsoft.com/kb/899811 first result from a Google search Thanks, Ash Since this post is not PHP-related, I'll continue the trend. Are people still using IE6? In sites I design, I prevent the user from viewing it. If they're still on IE6, I don't want them to use my sites. Cheers, ~Philip -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] ie6 "memory could not be read" help!
On Thu, 2009-09-17 at 16:41 +0800, Shelley wrote: > Hi all, > > With IE6, > > After the pages i developed was loaded, there seems to be no problem, > but when you then click a link, refresh the page, etc. it shows "memory > could not be 'read'" error message. > > However, when you load other sites, google.com, for example, there is no > such problem. > > Anybody knows how to fix this problem? > > Any help is appreciated & thanks in advance. > http://support.microsoft.com/kb/899811 first result from a Google search Thanks, Ash http://www.ashleysheridan.co.uk -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
[PHP] ie6 "memory could not be read" help!
Hi all, With IE6, After the pages i developed was loaded, there seems to be no problem, but when you then click a link, refresh the page, etc. it shows "memory could not be 'read'" error message. However, when you load other sites, google.com, for example, there is no such problem. Anybody knows how to fix this problem? Any help is appreciated & thanks in advance. -- With best regards, Shelley Shyan http://php42.com http://phparch.cn
