RE: [PHP] How good is PHP to ASP?
First off, I wouldn't go comparing one language to another as better (a jihad has broken out on another list between Perl and PHP, substituting belief for anything remotely resembling a civilized and intelligent discussion), but if you want to convince them about the merits of PHP, look up the news stories about Yahoo abandoning its own proprietary language for PHP. Also, if any of your clients have experience with Perl, you can use the comparison about regular expression handling there. You can also refer to http://www.php.net/usage.php for a description of the popularity of PHP. -Original Message- From: Wee Keat [Amorphosium] [mailto:weekeat;amorphosium.com] Sent: Sunday, November 10, 2002 6:42 PM To: PHP [General] Subject: [PHP] How good is PHP to ASP? Hi all, I'm not too sure if this is the right place to get my answers but I really need to know this: How can I convince my clients that PHP is really good? I mean not a lot of non-programmers have heard of PHP language. Most of them only heard of things like C/C++, ASP and the like. So, how can I prove to them that PHP is a much better language to use? Can anyone point me to the right resources for me to show and prove to my clients? Thanks a lot and sorry if this is the wrong place to ask this question. Yours, Wee Keat Chin --- Don't find a fault; find a remedy -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
RE: [PHP] How good is PHP to ASP?
oh man you missed a great opportunity, through the last few days some one posted a message saying convince the boss containing a list of well-known websites running PHP, go check the list archive it will be available there _ Add photos to your e-mail with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/featuredemail -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
RE: [PHP] How good is PHP to ASP?
I've noticed this question a fair bit, having to convince clients and employers of a technology.. DO you guys really have that much trouble selling php?? I tend to leave the development environment out of conversations all together and talk product features, scalability, promotion etc I do this with both the PHP and ASP projects I build. If you really need to convince someone then there the kind of person people who would really only need a name to associate things to. This list was posted a few days ago... This list is designed to convice teh boss (no type-o). If your boss is a bandwagon kind of guy, afraid to take risks, this is for you- er- him. And you. Him in that he can read it, you in that if he accepts LAMP, you're life will be a much more joyous existance ;) - Apache: By far the most popular web server, with 60.54% market share. Its closest competitor, Microsoft's IIS, has 28.89%. If all variants of each server are counted, Apache's install base increases to 62.17%, while IIS manages 29.42%). Statistics are from http://www.netcraft.net/survey Apache users: Yahoo! Amazon.com AltaVista BBC mp3.com SlashDot HP W3C IBM Verizon FEMA Infoseek PHP: In April 2002, PHP overtook ASP as the #1 server-side scripting language on the internet. In April, PHP was used by 24% of the sites on the Internet. Over the past two years PHP has averaged a 6.5% monthly growth rate. Source: zend.com/news/zendpr.php?id=49 PHP users: Cisco CMG Vodafone Motorola Siemens Ericsson CBS Unilever Philips BMC NTT Air Canada Lufthansa OnVista Lycos Europe Deutsche Bank NASA W3C MySQL: It isn't as easy to determine which database a site uses, but here is a list of sites that do use MySQL, according to MySQL.com: Yahoo! Finance Texas Instruments U.S. Census Bureau NASA Omaha Steaks Slashdot Cross Media Marketing Corp Powell's Books Department of Academic Information Systems Avacom Net Services Blue World Communications CoreSense Ericsson handy.de mobile.de Nemo-Q Silicon Storage Technology, Inc. Virage Linux: I can't find a list for this... I figured these out by trying big sites that came to mind. I didn't encounter a single Microsoft site, but I did get a few *BSD sites, and several Solaris sites. FBI Google Amazon AltaVista Slashdot Verizon FEMA CNN Security: Here's a list of security companies/groups that run any LAMP component: Security Focus(LA) Symantec (L) CERT (LA) Packet Storm (A) FBI (L) OSVDB (LA) At Stake (LA) Netcraft (LA) TESO (L) Phenoelit (LA) Doxpara (LAP) NGS Software (LAMP) PivX (LAP) Grey Magic(LAMP) Phrack(AP) *** -Original Message- From: Wee Keat [Amorphosium] [mailto:weekeat;amorphosium.com] Sent: Monday, November 11, 2002 11:42 AM To: PHP [General] Subject: [PHP] How good is PHP to ASP? Hi all, I'm not too sure if this is the right place to get my answers but I really need to know this: How can I convince my clients that PHP is really good? I mean not a lot of non-programmers have heard of PHP language. Most of them only heard of things like C/C++, ASP and the like. So, how can I prove to them that PHP is a much better language to use? Can anyone point me to the right resources for me to show and prove to my clients? Thanks a lot and sorry if this is the wrong place to ask this question. Yours, Wee Keat Chin --- Don't find a fault; find a remedy -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] How good is PHP to ASP?
You can also tell them that some 10 million websites run PHP, including the most popular one--Yahoo!. Marco -- php|architect - The magazine for PHP Professionals The first monthly worldwide magazine dedicated to PHP programmers Check us out on the web at http://www.phparch.com On Sun, 2002-11-10 at 20:41, Wee Keat [Amorphosium] wrote: Hi all, I'm not too sure if this is the right place to get my answers but I really need to know this: How can I convince my clients that PHP is really good? I mean not a lot of non-programmers have heard of PHP language. Most of them only heard of things like C/C++, ASP and the like. So, how can I prove to them that PHP is a much better language to use? Can anyone point me to the right resources for me to show and prove to my clients? Thanks a lot and sorry if this is the wrong place to ask this question. Yours, Wee Keat Chin --- Don't find a fault; find a remedy -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] How good is PHP to ASP?
Search google.com for PHP case studies, also http://www.zend.com/links/links.php has a few links to sites about PHP vs. ASP. You might also enlighten them about the differences of open source and Microsoft licensing. Bottom line is if you have to make a product something it isn't to sell a client you shouldn't be using that technology. Jason On Sun, 2002-11-10 at 20:03, Marco Tabini wrote: You can also tell them that some 10 million websites run PHP, including the most popular one--Yahoo!. Marco -- php|architect - The magazine for PHP Professionals The first monthly worldwide magazine dedicated to PHP programmers Check us out on the web at http://www.phparch.com On Sun, 2002-11-10 at 20:41, Wee Keat [Amorphosium] wrote: Hi all, I'm not too sure if this is the right place to get my answers but I really need to know this: How can I convince my clients that PHP is really good? I mean not a lot of non-programmers have heard of PHP language. Most of them only heard of things like C/C++, ASP and the like. So, how can I prove to them that PHP is a much better language to use? Can anyone point me to the right resources for me to show and prove to my clients? Thanks a lot and sorry if this is the wrong place to ask this question. Yours, Wee Keat Chin --- Don't find a fault; find a remedy -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] How good is PHP to ASP?
Yes, I think it's a good idea to emphasize "licensing" ($$). Also, "portability" might be another thing to mention. (With little or no changes, you're apps could run on different platforms, etc.) - E PS Does anybody have any tips on how to run IIS/ASP/MSSQL server on a Zaurus (running on Linux)? I already have Apache/PHP/MySQL... Just wondering if I can do some testing;) "Jason Sheets" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Search google.com for PHP case studies, also http://www.zend.com/links/links.php has a few links to sites about PHP vs. ASP. You might also enlighten them about the differences of open source and Microsoft licensing. Bottom line is if you have to make a product something it isn't to sell a client you shouldn't be using that technology. Jason On Sun, 2002-11-10 at 20:03, Marco Tabini wrote: You can also tell them that some 10 million websites run PHP, including the most popular one--Yahoo!. Marco -- php|architect - The magazine for PHP Professionals The first monthly worldwide magazine dedicated to PHP programmers Check us out on the web at http://www.phparch.com On Sun, 2002-11-10 at 20:41, Wee Keat [Amorphosium] wrote: Hi all, I'm not too sure if this is the right place to get my answers but I really need to know this: How can I convince my clients that PHP is really good? I mean not a lot of non-programmers have heard of PHP language. Most of them only heard of things like C/C++, ASP and the like. So, how can I prove to them that PHP is a much better language to use? Can anyone point me to the right resources for me to show and prove to my clients? Thanks a lot and sorry if this is the wrong place to ask this question. Yours, Wee Keat Chin --- "Don't find a fault; find a remedy" -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
