Re: [PHP] PHP Certification
On Mon, Mar 15, 2004 at 09:05:42AM -0700, Sheeraz fazal wrote: I need information about the php certification, from www.expertrating.com . Does this site has good market reputation? I took 10 minutes yesterday and checked out one of their free tests on computer literacy or something like that. The questions were poorly worded, rife with misspellings, and had illogical choices. Some choice snippets: This exam is best viewed using Internet Explorere 5.0 or above Q1: You have a mouse attached to your computer which suddenly stops working. You quickly replace the mouse with another one which has been manufactured by a different company. Will it work? (my options are yes and no. there is no way to make an accurate guess is not an option) Q27: If you are looking for information about a certain subject on the Internet, what is the quickest way to get started? Q?: Where is the Calculator located in the Windows Program menu? (my options were 4 different Windows menu paths) You can be the judge based on that, I suppose. If their PHP exam is anything like this one, though, the final certification will mean nothing except that you gave them $10. -- [ joel boonstra | gospelcom.net ] -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] PHP Certification
On 3/16/2004 2:50:52 PM, joel boonstra ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: On Mon, Mar 15, 2004 at 09:05:42AM -0700, Sheeraz fazal wrote: I need information about the php certification, from www.expertrating. com . Does this site has good market reputation? I took 10 minutes yesterday and checked out one of their free tests on computer literacy or something like that. The questions were poorly worded, rife with misspellings, and had illogical choices. Some choice snippets: This exam is best viewed using Internet Explorere 5.0 or above Q1: You have a mouse attached to your computer which suddenly stops working. You quickly replace the mouse with another one which has been manufactured by a different company. Will it work? (my options are yes and no. there is no way to make an accurate guess is not an option) Q27: If you are looking for information about a certain subject on the Internet, what is the quickest way to get started? Q?: Where is the Calculator located in the Windows Program menu? (my options were 4 different Windows menu paths) You can be the judge based on that, I suppose. If their PHP exam is anything like this one, though, the final certification True...the only good thing is they are going after the dolts for only 10$, with new users coming on the net everyday they are trying their luck. I've seen a couple of sites like this top--sites being one...NO1 bastards spammers as I wrote and told them, there was also a site selling the installation of OSCommerce for $450 !! Cant really blame these guys for trying , but I doubt they will get many people as a person who goes for their PHP exam would know programming and computers...which will tell them pretty soon this is a scam. -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] PHP Certification
On Mon, 15 Mar 2004, Sheeraz fazal wrote: I need information about the php certification, from www.expertrating.com . Does this site has good market reputation? Does www.php.net has some plans to introduce certification path? No plans from us, no. Running a certification program is a lot of work and I would prefer to see developers develop, not try to manage a certification program. As for the www.expertrating.com thing? Never heard of it. If a resume crossed my desk with a reference to something like that on it I would probably chuckle and think the person got bilked out of the $9.95 it apparently costs. It may of course be very good, I have no idea, I just don't hold certification programs in very high regard in general. -Rasmus -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] PHP Certification
Give a good graphics guy some $$ and he'll make you one of the best certificates that your $$ can buy...that does not mean that you can actually program in the language thats written on the certificate... When I was learning computers I studied COBOL, Hated it and cant remember crap about it now...not even 2 lines...but my (old) certificate says I'm pretty good at it :-) Basically it all comes down to how good you can actually prove yourself in your field..certificates most of the time are not worth the paper they are printed on but look good once you hang it on the wall ;-) Just my $0.2 Cheers, -Ryan * HI, I need information about the php certification, from www.expertrating.com . Does this site has good market reputation? Does www.php.net has some plans to introduce certification path? Comments welcome. Thanks, Sheri, -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] PHP Certification
Hello Sheeraz, Monday, March 15, 2004, 4:05:42 PM, you wrote: Sf I need information about the php certification, from www.expertrating.com . Sf Does this site has good market reputation? Sf Does www.php.net has some plans to introduce certification path? Unless they are internationally and industry recognised like the Novell, Cisco, Oracle or Microsoft certificates it's probably not worth the money (if any?) involved in obtaining it. You would be better off spending your time working on a solid portfolio that showcases both sites AND code that you've written. If you already have those then I don't see how that expertrating thing can hurt, but don't bank on it holding too much sway. -- Best regards, Richard Davey http://www.phpcommunity.org/wiki/296.html -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] PHP Certification
Hello all, Thanks for the answers and opinions. If you all put it that way, it really seems like certifications are just another way for big companies to make money :) I was not looking for a PHP one as an option to replace experience, in fact I've been working with PHP for about 3 years now and have what I consider a lot (maybe not as much as some of you out there) of experience with it and recently I got a full time job as a PHP developer and couldn't be hapier with my job :). I was just curious why the PHP developers or zend hadn't made plans for certifications, I guess the reason is cleared now. Thanks all!. Oscar F.- Warren Vail wrote: A working public website, that solves a business problem, is a good credential. I can't help but wonder if it takes more hours to develop a respectable site or to study and take an exam. Do you suppose the certification exam might actually be an easier option? Warren Vail [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, June 26, 2003 8:59 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [PHP] PHP Certification yeh well these exams come in modules , and are extremely pricey , i think good web examples, screenshots and experience should be enough, sadly i have not done uni so am frowned upon when looking for work but have experience in the work force, 4 years in IT now ok thats not enough but i have fine tuned my programming skills, i am wanting to move in java also now, i contract also but dont have much on my portfolio to show to get the jobs , just starting the business side of things and may have to work for near nothing just to get examples up, so i think portfolio examples are more important than certification. Certification programs, imho, exist primarily for two reasons; 1. it allows developers with little experience to add credibility to their claims that they know how to develop software. 2. it allows non-technical people involved in the hiring chain to make judgements when they have no clue at all how to judge good technical competence. Course, after you've been around a while, you learn that you cannot do a proper job of judging anyone's competence, even after many hours of interviews. The proof is in the project outcome. 3. Ok, I forgot the third reason... Someone will make lots of money selling training materials and administering the tests. Did you really think Microsoft got into this side of the business just to improve the quality of technical consulting. my 2 cents (ok, maybe 4 cents), Warren Vail [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, June 26, 2003 8:15 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [PHP] PHP Certification I find the value of such certification programs extremely questionable. here here :D -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
RE: [PHP] PHP Certification
[snip] 3. Ok, I forgot the third reason... Someone will make lots of money selling training materials and administering the tests. Did you really think Microsoft got into this side of the business just to improve the quality of technical consulting. [/snip] Perhaps we could band together and make money off of this! ***toungue firmly in cheek*** -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
RE: [PHP] PHP Certification
Hi, basis is way beyond what any of us have time for and personally I find the value of such certification programs extremely questionable. Questionable? Did you mean useless? Honestly, I've got a friend with a CCNA, he's sitting in an ISP's call center answering phones. He doesn't have a degree, and no one wants to talk to him. I also have a relative who recruits for Microsoft. They told me that the MCSD is meaningless. On a more positive note, there are several sites that I've run accross that offer PHP certifications. I believe www.brainbench.com is still around. They're the only one that I can think of off hand. -Dan Joseph -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] PHP Certification
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Re: [PHP] PHP Certification
Stevie Peele wrote: I am new to this list. Does this list also provide help with PHP? Not sure what your post has to do with this thread, but what do you mean by also? What else does the list do? -- The above message is encrypted with double rot13 encoding. Any unauthorized attempt to decrypt it will be prosecuted to the full extent of the law. -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] PHP Certification
On Thu, 26 Jun 2003, Oscar F wrote: Does anybody know of any plans for an official certification path for PHP?. Are they launching something like that anytime soon?. Just curious. Who are they ? Do you mean the developers of PHP in general? Nope, no chance. We write code, we do not manage world-wide certification programs. Something like that would be a fulltime job for a whole team of people. Generally you do it through partners who offer local courses and some sort of standardized or approved certification test. The oversight of doing this on a global basis is way beyond what any of us have time for and personally I find the value of such certification programs extremely questionable. -Rasmus -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] PHP Certification
I find the value of such certification programs extremely questionable. here here :D -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
RE: [PHP] PHP Certification
Certification programs, imho, exist primarily for two reasons; 1. it allows developers with little experience to add credibility to their claims that they know how to develop software. 2. it allows non-technical people involved in the hiring chain to make judgements when they have no clue at all how to judge good technical competence. Course, after you've been around a while, you learn that you cannot do a proper job of judging anyone's competence, even after many hours of interviews. The proof is in the project outcome. 3. Ok, I forgot the third reason... Someone will make lots of money selling training materials and administering the tests. Did you really think Microsoft got into this side of the business just to improve the quality of technical consulting. my 2 cents (ok, maybe 4 cents), Warren Vail [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, June 26, 2003 8:15 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [PHP] PHP Certification I find the value of such certification programs extremely questionable. here here :D -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
RE: [PHP] PHP Certification
yeh well these exams come in modules , and are extremely pricey , i think good web examples, screenshots and experience should be enough, sadly i have not done uni so am frowned upon when looking for work but have experience in the work force, 4 years in IT now ok thats not enough but i have fine tuned my programming skills, i am wanting to move in java also now, i contract also but dont have much on my portfolio to show to get the jobs , just starting the business side of things and may have to work for near nothing just to get examples up, so i think portfolio examples are more important than certification. Certification programs, imho, exist primarily for two reasons; 1. it allows developers with little experience to add credibility to their claims that they know how to develop software. 2. it allows non-technical people involved in the hiring chain to make judgements when they have no clue at all how to judge good technical competence. Course, after you've been around a while, you learn that you cannot do a proper job of judging anyone's competence, even after many hours of interviews. The proof is in the project outcome. 3. Ok, I forgot the third reason... Someone will make lots of money selling training materials and administering the tests. Did you really think Microsoft got into this side of the business just to improve the quality of technical consulting. my 2 cents (ok, maybe 4 cents), Warren Vail [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, June 26, 2003 8:15 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [PHP] PHP Certification I find the value of such certification programs extremely questionable. here here :D -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
RE: [PHP] PHP Certification
A working public website, that solves a business problem, is a good credential. I can't help but wonder if it takes more hours to develop a respectable site or to study and take an exam. Do you suppose the certification exam might actually be an easier option? Warren Vail [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, June 26, 2003 8:59 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [PHP] PHP Certification yeh well these exams come in modules , and are extremely pricey , i think good web examples, screenshots and experience should be enough, sadly i have not done uni so am frowned upon when looking for work but have experience in the work force, 4 years in IT now ok thats not enough but i have fine tuned my programming skills, i am wanting to move in java also now, i contract also but dont have much on my portfolio to show to get the jobs , just starting the business side of things and may have to work for near nothing just to get examples up, so i think portfolio examples are more important than certification. Certification programs, imho, exist primarily for two reasons; 1. it allows developers with little experience to add credibility to their claims that they know how to develop software. 2. it allows non-technical people involved in the hiring chain to make judgements when they have no clue at all how to judge good technical competence. Course, after you've been around a while, you learn that you cannot do a proper job of judging anyone's competence, even after many hours of interviews. The proof is in the project outcome. 3. Ok, I forgot the third reason... Someone will make lots of money selling training materials and administering the tests. Did you really think Microsoft got into this side of the business just to improve the quality of technical consulting. my 2 cents (ok, maybe 4 cents), Warren Vail [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, June 26, 2003 8:15 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [PHP] PHP Certification I find the value of such certification programs extremely questionable. here here :D -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] PHP certification
Brainbench? Regards, Andrey Hristov - Original Message - From: clint [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: PHP General [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, December 28, 2001 11:13 PM Subject: [PHP] PHP certification Does anyone know if there are plans to offer a PHP certification in the future? I know this can be a mute point, I am just curious. Thanks! Clint -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To contact the list administrators, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To contact the list administrators, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
