RE: [PHP] PC MAG article - what a crap!
Why don't we write to zdnet and tell them what a lousy article this was? -Original Message- From: Maxim Maletsky [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, May 09, 2001 8:36 PM To: 'Tyrone Mills'; PHP List Subject: RE: [PHP] PC MAG article - what a crap! http://www.zdnet.com/pcmag/stories/reviews/0,6755,2711724,00.html ...this is a total crap. I could not stop going from hysteric laughs to schizophrenetic smiles reading this... Really, the technology is not the same and finds it's best users in appropriate fields. Apparently these editors love Windowz for wizards and are of a conservative idea that 'paid' things are better because who sold them is responsible for the support. bull[\.]*t! I don't think all these M$ things will survive for longer then 3 more years. Nobody thinks, nor even Billy. I personally met him a month ago on a press conference in Tokyo - he was here because of X-Box, but many think his point is the inability of keeping the monopoly any further, so he now expands Microsoft's area of expertise. I truly believe Gates would have some long thoughts answering why he thinks Microsoft Windows will stay 'hard' against Linux Mandrake (or other well developed Open Source OS) in future. And then, only then, when Linux and other Open (and some not-open) Sources will get into a monopoly balance, the publications will start comparing a larger number of Servers, Platforms and programming technologies giving the right credit to PHP rather then say to $COLD FUSION$ because of it got 'WYSIWIYG tool for front-end interface'. They said you have to be an expert to set PHP on Linux, SURE YOU HAVE TO!!! After all, you need a root password!!! Who, in the name of god, will ever give you the superuser password for production server if you know a d[\.]*k of Apache/Linux??? On windowz is the same: an MCSE knows how to set server's environment, and I think he'd make the SAPI working! So only PHP beginners remain in trouble. Well, not exactly. As soon as they discover the mailing lists, forums, online tutorials and join the community they soon become more sure in themselves and go wild with development, becoming something more then webmasters in a very few time. Is that possible with CF, ASP? These writers are just too stupid to understand and cover this technology. They need an extended and capable to discover the alternatives understanding of the web technologies. Cheers, Maxim Maletsky, PHPBeginner.com -Original Message- From: Tyrone Mills [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, May 10, 2001 9:53 AM To: PHP List Subject: RE: [PHP] PC MAG article If you can stand to read the whole article (I barely could), BEA declined to participate. The article is nothing but worthless tripe, BEA is probably better off for having been mentioned only in passing. -Original Message- From: Mark Charette [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, May 09, 2001 5:55 PM To: PHP List Subject: Re: [PHP] PC MAG article Considering Websphere/EJB was mentioned ... Where's the BEA Weblogics review -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To contact the list administrators, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To contact the list administrators, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To contact the list administrators, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To contact the list administrators, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [PHP] PC MAG article
for informational purposes, it can be seen here : http://www.zdnet.com/pcmag/stories/reviews/0,6755,2713481,00.html no comment. :) regards, philip On Wed, 9 May 2001, Mike wrote: As a devoted php programmer I was surprised how bad PC MAG blasted php this month.It sound as if it doesnt scale very well(Ive never had more than a few people on my site at once).Any comments??? Thanks Mike [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To contact the list administrators, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To contact the list administrators, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [PHP] PC MAG article
Lol.. quoted.. PHP proponents argue that abstraction layers dumb down and slow down access to databases, but we think they can increase developer productivity, facilitate application migration, and cut training costs. Cut training costs? Yeah.. let's use an inefficient system just so we can save some money? (even though PHP is already free!!!) hehe.. Ryan Christensen OlyPen Technical Support [EMAIL PROTECTED] 360.457.3000 800.303.8696 - Original Message - From: Philip Olson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mike [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, May 09, 2001 5:26 PM Subject: Re: [PHP] PC MAG article for informational purposes, it can be seen here : http://www.zdnet.com/pcmag/stories/reviews/0,6755,2713481,00.html no comment. :) regards, philip On Wed, 9 May 2001, Mike wrote: As a devoted php programmer I was surprised how bad PC MAG blasted php this month.It sound as if it doesnt scale very well(Ive never had more than a few people on my site at once).Any comments??? Thanks Mike [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To contact the list administrators, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To contact the list administrators, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To contact the list administrators, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [PHP] PC MAG article
I don't like PC Magazine, I don't think they offer unbiased reports. Most often they are blatantly incorrect. I was a subscriber for 3 years and cancelled 1 year ago... BTW, I guess I must be an apache/Unix expert since I can install php from source, WAHOO!! (Can I put that on my resume?) Nathan Cook [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: Mike [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, May 09, 2001 6:19 PM Subject: [PHP] PC MAG article As a devoted php programmer I was surprised how bad PC MAG blasted php this month.It sound as if it doesnt scale very well(Ive never had more than a few people on my site at once).Any comments??? Thanks Mike [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To contact the list administrators, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To contact the list administrators, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [PHP] PC MAG article
Did you notice how they mentioned nothing to the fact that PHP _does_ support ODBC? To think if they keep printing articles like that then macromedia just might advertise with them... Nathan Cook [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: Ryan Christensen [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Philip Olson [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Mike [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, May 09, 2001 6:31 PM Subject: Re: [PHP] PC MAG article Lol.. quoted.. PHP proponents argue that abstraction layers dumb down and slow down access to databases, but we think they can increase developer productivity, facilitate application migration, and cut training costs. Cut training costs? Yeah.. let's use an inefficient system just so we can save some money? (even though PHP is already free!!!) hehe.. Ryan Christensen OlyPen Technical Support [EMAIL PROTECTED] 360.457.3000 800.303.8696 - Original Message - From: Philip Olson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mike [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, May 09, 2001 5:26 PM Subject: Re: [PHP] PC MAG article for informational purposes, it can be seen here : http://www.zdnet.com/pcmag/stories/reviews/0,6755,2713481,00.html no comment. :) regards, philip On Wed, 9 May 2001, Mike wrote: As a devoted php programmer I was surprised how bad PC MAG blasted php this month.It sound as if it doesnt scale very well(Ive never had more than a few people on my site at once).Any comments??? Thanks Mike [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To contact the list administrators, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To contact the list administrators, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To contact the list administrators, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To contact the list administrators, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: [PHP] PC MAG article
Lol :) Obviously they didn't even look at the ODBC functions part of PHP :) Besides I don't know what they're bitching about DB abstraction layer anyway. I mean Oracle SQL and MS SQL and MYSQL and Interbase SQL is not exatcly compatible :) So even if you use the DB Abstraction layer to connect to the DB you still screwed when it comes to SQL syntax :) At least with PHP you can use tool like Metabase libs which will perform abstraction for stuff like this as well as DB connection etc. :) My $0.02 -Original Message- From: Ryan Christensen [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, May 10, 2001 10:31 AM To: Philip Olson; Mike Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [PHP] PC MAG article Lol.. quoted.. PHP proponents argue that abstraction layers dumb down and slow down access to databases, but we think they can increase developer productivity, facilitate application migration, and cut training costs. Cut training costs? Yeah.. let's use an inefficient system just so we can save some money? (even though PHP is already free!!!) hehe.. Ryan Christensen OlyPen Technical Support [EMAIL PROTECTED] 360.457.3000 800.303.8696 - Original Message - From: Philip Olson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mike [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, May 09, 2001 5:26 PM Subject: Re: [PHP] PC MAG article for informational purposes, it can be seen here : http://www.zdnet.com/pcmag/stories/reviews/0,6755,2713481,00.html no comment. :) regards, philip On Wed, 9 May 2001, Mike wrote: As a devoted php programmer I was surprised how bad PC MAG blasted php this month.It sound as if it doesnt scale very well(Ive never had more than a few people on my site at once).Any comments??? Thanks Mike [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To contact the list administrators, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To contact the list administrators, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To contact the list administrators, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To contact the list administrators, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [PHP] PC MAG article
Considering Websphere/EJB was mentioned ... Where's the BEA Weblogics review -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To contact the list administrators, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: [PHP] PC MAG article
If you can stand to read the whole article (I barely could), BEA declined to participate. The article is nothing but worthless tripe, BEA is probably better off for having been mentioned only in passing. -Original Message- From: Mark Charette [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, May 09, 2001 5:55 PM To: PHP List Subject: Re: [PHP] PC MAG article Considering Websphere/EJB was mentioned ... Where's the BEA Weblogics review -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To contact the list administrators, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To contact the list administrators, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [PHP] PC MAG article
On Wed, 9 May 2001 20:19:34 -0400, Mike ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: As a devoted php programmer I was surprised how bad PC MAG blasted php this month.It sound as if it doesnt scale very well(Ive never had more than a few people on my site at once).Any comments??? seeing as how zdnet is owned by microsoft, you can decide how much credibility you can give their articles. -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To contact the list administrators, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [PHP] PC MAG article
I think MS is worried. They send me the mag ever month for free, and I throw it away. I never understood how sending the mag for free to people that didn't want it made anyone a living. Now that I know MS owns them, I see that making money isn't the issue, they just want the spin. -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To contact the list administrators, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [PHP] PC MAG article
Hallo, Philip All - for informational purposes, it can be seen here : http://www.zdnet.com/pcmag/stories/reviews/0,6755,2713481,00.html How terribly sad. They could've made better use of that tripe by stuffing it with oats and serving it next Robbie Burns' Day. Alpha -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To contact the list administrators, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: [PHP] PC MAG article - what a crap!
http://www.zdnet.com/pcmag/stories/reviews/0,6755,2711724,00.html ...this is a total crap. I could not stop going from hysteric laughs to schizophrenetic smiles reading this... Really, the technology is not the same and finds it's best users in appropriate fields. Apparently these editors love Windowz for wizards and are of a conservative idea that 'paid' things are better because who sold them is responsible for the support. bull[\.]*t! I don't think all these M$ things will survive for longer then 3 more years. Nobody thinks, nor even Billy. I personally met him a month ago on a press conference in Tokyo - he was here because of X-Box, but many think his point is the inability of keeping the monopoly any further, so he now expands Microsoft's area of expertise. I truly believe Gates would have some long thoughts answering why he thinks Microsoft Windows will stay 'hard' against Linux Mandrake (or other well developed Open Source OS) in future. And then, only then, when Linux and other Open (and some not-open) Sources will get into a monopoly balance, the publications will start comparing a larger number of Servers, Platforms and programming technologies giving the right credit to PHP rather then say to $COLD FUSION$ because of it got 'WYSIWIYG tool for front-end interface'. They said you have to be an expert to set PHP on Linux, SURE YOU HAVE TO!!! After all, you need a root password!!! Who, in the name of god, will ever give you the superuser password for production server if you know a d[\.]*k of Apache/Linux??? On windowz is the same: an MCSE knows how to set server's environment, and I think he'd make the SAPI working! So only PHP beginners remain in trouble. Well, not exactly. As soon as they discover the mailing lists, forums, online tutorials and join the community they soon become more sure in themselves and go wild with development, becoming something more then webmasters in a very few time. Is that possible with CF, ASP? These writers are just too stupid to understand and cover this technology. They need an extended and capable to discover the alternatives understanding of the web technologies. Cheers, Maxim Maletsky, PHPBeginner.com -Original Message- From: Tyrone Mills [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, May 10, 2001 9:53 AM To: PHP List Subject: RE: [PHP] PC MAG article If you can stand to read the whole article (I barely could), BEA declined to participate. The article is nothing but worthless tripe, BEA is probably better off for having been mentioned only in passing. -Original Message- From: Mark Charette [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, May 09, 2001 5:55 PM To: PHP List Subject: Re: [PHP] PC MAG article Considering Websphere/EJB was mentioned ... Where's the BEA Weblogics review -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To contact the list administrators, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To contact the list administrators, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To contact the list administrators, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [PHP] PC MAG article - what a crap!
What's truly amazing is that they apparently are unaware of the Nusphere distro. Even a total dolt can install apache, mysql, perl, and php on a windows box in minutes. I've done it on three (98 and NT) so far and it is as simple as put the CD in the machine, fire it up, click on a couple of boxes and you're done. About 15 minutes total vs 60 minutes for my last windows upgrade. We install it the old fashioned way at work and it does take longer, but you can customize the install. Fred Steinkopf - Original Message - From: Maxim Maletsky [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'Tyrone Mills' [EMAIL PROTECTED]; PHP List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, May 09, 2001 11:35 PM Subject: RE: [PHP] PC MAG article - what a crap! http://www.zdnet.com/pcmag/stories/reviews/0,6755,2711724,00.html ...this is a total crap. I could not stop going from hysteric laughs to schizophrenetic smiles reading this... Really, the technology is not the same and finds it's best users in appropriate fields. Apparently these editors love Windowz for wizards and are of a conservative idea that 'paid' things are better because who sold them is responsible for the support. bull[\.]*t! I don't think all these M$ things will survive for longer then 3 more years. Nobody thinks, nor even Billy. I personally met him a month ago on a press conference in Tokyo - he was here because of X-Box, but many think his point is the inability of keeping the monopoly any further, so he now expands Microsoft's area of expertise. I truly believe Gates would have some long thoughts answering why he thinks Microsoft Windows will stay 'hard' against Linux Mandrake (or other well developed Open Source OS) in future. And then, only then, when Linux and other Open (and some not-open) Sources will get into a monopoly balance, the publications will start comparing a larger number of Servers, Platforms and programming technologies giving the right credit to PHP rather then say to $COLD FUSION$ because of it got 'WYSIWIYG tool for front-end interface'. They said you have to be an expert to set PHP on Linux, SURE YOU HAVE TO!!! After all, you need a root password!!! Who, in the name of god, will ever give you the superuser password for production server if you know a d[\.]*k of Apache/Linux??? On windowz is the same: an MCSE knows how to set server's environment, and I think he'd make the SAPI working! So only PHP beginners remain in trouble. Well, not exactly. As soon as they discover the mailing lists, forums, online tutorials and join the community they soon become more sure in themselves and go wild with development, becoming something more then webmasters in a very few time. Is that possible with CF, ASP? These writers are just too stupid to understand and cover this technology. They need an extended and capable to discover the alternatives understanding of the web technologies. Cheers, Maxim Maletsky, PHPBeginner.com -Original Message- From: Tyrone Mills [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, May 10, 2001 9:53 AM To: PHP List Subject: RE: [PHP] PC MAG article If you can stand to read the whole article (I barely could), BEA declined to participate. The article is nothing but worthless tripe, BEA is probably better off for having been mentioned only in passing. -Original Message- From: Mark Charette [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, May 09, 2001 5:55 PM To: PHP List Subject: Re: [PHP] PC MAG article Considering Websphere/EJB was mentioned ... Where's the BEA Weblogics review -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To contact the list administrators, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To contact the list administrators, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To contact the list administrators, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To contact the list administrators, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
