Re: [PHP] Re: RFC/Survey for Our Newer Folks (Including Lurkers)
Per Jessen wrote: pan wrote: Urgh ! What do I tell them? How about what you started with here: The information and support of php on windows is not as good. Overcoming resistance to open source software that runs on windows is easy. Overcoming the belief that it's a windows world is more difficult. I can show the values of php through the point of view windows offers. Getting phbs to look at non-MS OSs is not easy. It's a matter of one step at a time and choose your battles. Cost/benefit analysis is not enough. phbs do not understand or trust non-MS OSs. They do trust results and as long as win versions of php are available and well maintained I've got plenty to show them. What they know is that the pecl4windows website doesn't exist anymore. They know no new extension package has been offered. They believe new extensions, whether beta or not, are not likely to become available. They know that 1st quarter 2009 was to see windows.php.net be ready. They think delays == vaporware. They also believe that there is indifference (if not outright hostility) to php/win in the php developer community. Personally, I could care less about further entrenchment of windows in the business world. I'd like to see MS disappear. Unfortunately, these issues are real. If the point is to alienate businesses with a who cares about windows attitude, then why bother with win-php at all? If there is merit to introducing open source to current windows users, then why make it difficult to do so? Just looking to make life easier. Don't blame me for the attitudes of those who pay me. (And, no - compiling extensions is not an option). -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] Re: RFC/Survey for Our Newer Folks (Including Lurkers)
At 11:17 PM -0500 7/11/09, Adam Shannon wrote: Hello, I've been a developer for a little over a year now (I started when I just turned 16), frankly I love coding and helping out others. I joined the list as my second mailing list (WHATWG is first), mailing lists just provide a different atmosphere than forums, blogs or message boards. I found the list by the link on php.net (lists.php.net), I mainly joined to grow in my experience with PHP. -- - Adam Shannon ( http://ashannon.us ) Adam: 16! I have underwear older than that. :-) But when I was 16, computers hadn't been invented yet, so you're ahead of the game in my book. Welcome to the list. Cheers, tedd -- --- http://sperling.com http://ancientstones.com http://earthstones.com -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] Re: RFC/Survey for Our Newer Folks (Including Lurkers)
pan wrote: Recently I've begun maintaining a mixed OS system and have a need to use php on windows (mostly to encourage the shop to move everything off windows) . The information and support of php on windows is not as good. Thus, I sought more sources and decided to use news.php.net. Not much for the MS platform and I have no answer to the owners when they suggest getting rid of all the freebsd/apache/php/mysql boxes. They are aware of all the pecl extensions and also aware that the windows.php.net site has not yet supported binary extension builds. Urgh ! What do I tell them? How about what you started with here: The information and support of php on windows is not as good. /Per -- Per Jessen, Zürich (20.4°C) -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] Re: RFC/Survey for Our Newer Folks (Including Lurkers)
Hello, I've been a developer for a little over a year now (I started when I just turned 16), frankly I love coding and helping out others. I joined the list as my second mailing list (WHATWG is first), mailing lists just provide a different atmosphere than forums, blogs or message boards. I found the list by the link on php.net (lists.php.net), I mainly joined to grow in my experience with PHP. -- - Adam Shannon ( http://ashannon.us )
