Re: [PHPTAL] Re: PHPTAL Digest, Vol 39, Issue 13

2008-05-30 Thread Anton Andrievskij
Patrick, are you developer of PHPTAL or not?

Anton

On Fri, May 30, 2008 at 5:29 PM, Patrick Burke [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 I love PHPTAL, and the self documentation thread going on is a very
 interesting idea.  The requirement that brought up self-documentation
 seems like a development environment issue though,  The development
 environment issue seems odd to me because I would think that the core
 variables needed would be made available by Development.  If Design
 needs some variables that Devel needs to know about then a simple
 intermediate layer would let Design do their own
 $template_obj-set('thevar', thevalue);  But if the code is nicely
 segmented then some designated member of Design should be able to add
 to the PHP code that is loading the template directly (ideally, anyone
 on Design if the code is locked down and versioned).

 I'm not poo-poo'ing the self-documentation idea, I'm just sick of
 Smarty and I know PHPTAL can become the de facto PHP standard if
 development of PHPTAL, in the short term, were geared more towards
 marketing bullet points that can be proudly displayed on a big, pretty
 banner on a web page.  So I'd like to see some awesome effort (yes,
 I'm talking to myself as well) towards things like memcached
 integration, Eclipse/editor plugins, get rally slick with the
 trigger and format systems, and even a geeky effort to do an extended
 promotional push (yes, I'm mentioning a project that doesn't
 necessarily involve coding) because, admit it, PHPTAL was there at
 1.18 so it's ready to get a little promotion and that means people
 coordinating a push.

 I'm seeing PHPTAL at a tipping point.  I wasn't able to get PHPTAL
 into many environments in the last couple years because big, fat, ugly
 Smarty was sitting in the templates directories already.  PHPTAL has
 awesome core features, is better than fast enough, and has a great
 lookin' future so it's not hard to pitch it when I can get a chance to
 list off the coolness of it.  I, and others, will get more of a chance
 to pitch it if there were just a few more..I hate to say this
 but..enterprise features that make it more known about to higher
 level Development leads.  It's true though.

 Hew

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  Date: Fri, 30 May 2008 10:32:04 +0100
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  Subject: Re: [PHPTAL] automated documentation for templates?
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  On Fri, 30 May 2008 10:19:18 +0100, Iván -DrSlump- Montes
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  With something like this the comment won't show up
 
  tal:comment tal:replace=null!--
Comment: Here is a comment which won't show up in the generated HTML
  --/tal:comment
 
  any element can have tal:comment attribute.
 
  li tal:comment=won't be in HTML /
 
  and it's possible to register your own attribute or namespace in PHPTAL,
  so you could have
 
  li my:documentation=... /
 
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Re: [PHPTAL] Re: PHPTAL Digest, Vol 39, Issue 13

2008-05-30 Thread Kornel Lesinski
On Fri, 30 May 2008 15:29:10 +0100, Patrick Burke [EMAIL PROTECTED]  
wrote:



I'm seeing PHPTAL at a tipping point.  I wasn't able to get PHPTAL
into many environments in the last couple years because big, fat, ugly
Smarty was sitting in the templates directories already.


Perhaps writing Smarty → PHPTAL converter would help here? (this is  
challenging project as it requires figuring out what all kinds of crazy  
smarty-html mixes are supposed to do, e.g. {if}s around attributes).


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Re: [PHPTAL] Re: PHPTAL Digest, Vol 39, Issue 13

2008-05-30 Thread Anton Andrievskij
I think it is better to get new developers with new programming logic to use
PHPTAL. Then you will have more strong and professional community. Smarty
must go to the syncope together with its old-type programmers.

As for me - I never used Smarty because I found it ugly and stupid the first
time I opened their features list.

Anton

On Fri, May 30, 2008 at 7:54 PM, Kornel Lesinski [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:

 On Fri, 30 May 2008 15:29:10 +0100, Patrick Burke [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 wrote:

  I'm seeing PHPTAL at a tipping point.  I wasn't able to get PHPTAL
 into many environments in the last couple years because big, fat, ugly
 Smarty was sitting in the templates directories already.


 Perhaps writing Smarty → PHPTAL converter would help here? (this is
 challenging project as it requires figuring out what all kinds of crazy
 smarty-html mixes are supposed to do, e.g. {if}s around attributes).

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 regards, Kornel

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