Re: A Minimal PicoLisp DB/GUI Application, Telephone field
On 2015/01/14-14:37, Luis P. Mendes wrote: Hi, 2015-01-14 12:09 GMT+00:00 Alexander Burger a...@software-lab.de: I see. So Norway has different systematics with telephone numbers. I don't understand them, though. In Germany we have the rule that both 0049 123 456 and +49 123 456 are the same as 0123 456. The 00 to + conversion is of no problem, but the 0 leading local or domestic numbers seems to be a feature of some countries, but not of others. There are even more variations though, including for international calling code: from Australia: 0011 + country code + area code + ... from USA: 011 + country code + area code + ... -- Rowan Thorpe PGP fingerprint: BB0A 0787 C0EE BDD8 7F97 3D30 49F2 13A5 265D CCBD There is a great difference between worry and concern. A worried person sees a problem, and a concerned person solves a problem. - Harold Stephens -- UNSUBSCRIBE: mailto:picolisp@software-lab.de?subject=Unsubscribe
Re: A Minimal PicoLisp DB/GUI Application, Telephone field
Hi, 2015-01-14 12:09 GMT+00:00 Alexander Burger a...@software-lab.de: I see. So Norway has different systematics with telephone numbers. I don't understand them, though. In Germany we have the rule that both 0049 123 456 and +49 123 456 are the same as 0123 456. The 00 to + conversion is of no problem, but the 0 leading local or domestic numbers seems to be a feature of some countries, but not of others. Luis -- UNSUBSCRIBE: mailto:picolisp@software-lab.de?subject=Unsubscribe
Re: A Minimal PicoLisp DB/GUI Application, Telephone field
Hi Alex, On 14. Jan, 2015, at 13:09, Alexander Burger a...@software-lab.de wrote: Hi Jon, I don’t quite get this. I have done as you suggested, (locale NO no) and leading 0, so I can now enter a phone number as 099887766. You say it will be stored internally with leading 47 instead of that 0, but Right. You see that if you look directly into the DB. when I put the mouse over that phone-pencil icon, it seems that tel:099887766 is what will be used (and that’s also the href I see in the inspector). ... If I try to dial 022852804 from my mobile, I get number not in use. I see. So Norway has different systematics with telephone numbers. I don't understand them, though. In Germany we have the rule that both 0049 123 456 and +49 123 456 are the same as 0123 456. A number without a leading zero is a local number (within the same city, but that's almost obsolete these days as you can take your number with you when you move or change your provider, so you can't rely on that). The '+TelField' (based on the functions 'telStr' and 'expTel') handles this. What are the exact rules for Norway? And how can we handle this flexibly? ♪♫ Alex — I think this page describes Norwegian telephone numbers quite well: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Telephone_numbers_in_Norway It also seems that the Danish numbers are somewhat similar: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Telephone_numbers_in_Denmark I may not be the right person to say how we can handle this flexibly. ;-) I don’t know if it can be of any help, but here is Google’s common Java, C++ and JavaScript library for parsing, formatting, storing and validating international phone numbers: https://github.com/googlei18n/libphonenumber /Jon
Re: A Minimal PicoLisp DB/GUI Application, Telephone field
Hi Jon, Luis, Rowan, thanks! I see that this problem is non-trivial. We need to extend the localization files loc/??.l Probably some functional expression or pattern needs to be stored there, in addition to (or as a replacement of) the country code '*CtryCode'. Perhaps the Google library gives the necessary information. I'll take a look asap. Any further input welcome! ♪♫ Alex -- UNSUBSCRIBE: mailto:picolisp@software-lab.de?subject=Unsubscribe
Re: A Minimal PicoLisp DB/GUI Application, Telephone field
Isn't this a non-issue, simply enter and store all numbers regardless of location with country code + number without leading zero, eg 4912345678? Will work for all countries everywhere, I never store numbers without the country code in my mobile nowadays and always works regardless if I'm in said country or not. On Wed, Jan 14, 2015 at 5:23 PM, Alexander Burger a...@software-lab.de wrote: Hi Jon, Luis, Rowan, thanks! I see that this problem is non-trivial. We need to extend the localization files loc/??.l Probably some functional expression or pattern needs to be stored there, in addition to (or as a replacement of) the country code '*CtryCode'. Perhaps the Google library gives the necessary information. I'll take a look asap. Any further input welcome! ♪♫ Alex -- UNSUBSCRIBE: mailto:picolisp@software-lab.de?subject=Unsubscribe -- UNSUBSCRIBE: mailto:picolisp@software-lab.de?subject=Unsubscribe
Re: A Minimal PicoLisp DB/GUI Application, Telephone field
On Wed, Jan 14, 2015 at 05:52:02PM +0100, Henrik Sarvell wrote: Isn't this a non-issue, simply enter and store all numbers regardless of location with country code + number without leading zero, eg 4912345678? Yes, as I said, simply use +TextField instead of +TelField. However, local customers will complain if they have to handle such unwieldy numbers :) ♪♫ Alex -- UNSUBSCRIBE: mailto:picolisp@software-lab.de?subject=Unsubscribe
Re: A Minimal PicoLisp DB/GUI Application, Telephone field
Hi Jon, I don’t quite get this. I have done as you suggested, (locale NO no) and leading 0, so I can now enter a phone number as 099887766. You say it will be stored internally with leading 47 instead of that 0, but Right. You see that if you look directly into the DB. when I put the mouse over that phone-pencil icon, it seems that tel:099887766 is what will be used (and that’s also the href I see in the inspector). ... If I try to dial 022852804 from my mobile, I get number not in use. I see. So Norway has different systematics with telephone numbers. I don't understand them, though. In Germany we have the rule that both 0049 123 456 and +49 123 456 are the same as 0123 456. A number without a leading zero is a local number (within the same city, but that's almost obsolete these days as you can take your number with you when you move or change your provider, so you can't rely on that). The '+TelField' (based on the functions 'telStr' and 'expTel') handles this. What are the exact rules for Norway? And how can we handle this flexibly? ♪♫ Alex -- UNSUBSCRIBE: mailto:picolisp@software-lab.de?subject=Unsubscribe
Re: A Minimal PicoLisp DB/GUI Application, Telephone field
On Wed, Jan 14, 2015 at 01:09:12PM +0100, Alexander Burger wrote: The '+TelField' (based on the functions 'telStr' and 'expTel') handles this. What are the exact rules for Norway? And how can we handle this flexibly? Alternatively, of course, you could replace '+TelField' with '+TextField'. Then the GUI won't do anything with the telephone numbers. ♪♫ Alex -- UNSUBSCRIBE: mailto:picolisp@software-lab.de?subject=Unsubscribe
