Re: anyone tried cygwin or mingw recently?

2017-07-17 Thread Richard Z 
Hi,

> It sounds like containers may be exactly what you want.  The same
> development environment isolated from your host OS of choice.  Docker
> containers run great on Linux and my understanding is that Windows is
> gaining/already has better support than the past.  There's not much more
> work to get persistent storage working, all the directions are in the links
> I posted.  I hope that it can be useful to you.

yes, containers are great. In fact I was thinking it would be easier
and cheaper to ship a raspi or an old phone with picolisp and the
app installed than to muck around with windows. Picolisp in termux
would be more than sufficient and could also run in any emulator
on windows.
But it is somehow bizare that it is cheaper to buy an extra computer 
than port a piece of software.

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Re: anyone tried cygwin or mingw recently?

2017-07-17 Thread David Bloom 
Hello Richard,

It sounds like containers may be exactly what you want.  The same
development environment isolated from your host OS of choice.  Docker
containers run great on Linux and my understanding is that Windows is
gaining/already has better support than the past.  There's not much more
work to get persistent storage working, all the directions are in the links
I posted.  I hope that it can be useful to you.

-David

On Mon, Jul 17, 2017 at 6:21 AM, Richard Z  wrote:

> On Sun, Jul 16, 2017 at 12:21:39PM -0400, David Bloom wrote:
>
> Hi,
>
> > Hi Richard.  If you want to get PicoLisp running on windows compilation
> can
> > be difficult but you mention wine.  What are you trying to run PicoLisp
> on,
> > Linux, BSD?  If you are willing to try using Docker containers I've made
> > some slim images of 64-bit PicoLisp.
>
> running on Linux is no problem, what I tried to do is have a binary that
> would run reliably on Windows and inside Wine/Linux.
> It appears the tools are not good enough yet to make that easy.
>
> Richard
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Re: anyone tried cygwin or mingw recently?

2017-07-17 Thread Richard Z 
On Sun, Jul 16, 2017 at 12:21:39PM -0400, David Bloom wrote:

Hi,

> Hi Richard.  If you want to get PicoLisp running on windows compilation can
> be difficult but you mention wine.  What are you trying to run PicoLisp on,
> Linux, BSD?  If you are willing to try using Docker containers I've made
> some slim images of 64-bit PicoLisp.

running on Linux is no problem, what I tried to do is have a binary that
would run reliably on Windows and inside Wine/Linux.
It appears the tools are not good enough yet to make that easy.

Richard

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Re: anyone tried cygwin or mingw recently?

2017-07-16 Thread David Bloom 
On Jul 16, 2017 10:33 AM, "Richard Z"  wrote:

On Sun, Jul 09, 2017 at 02:06:05PM -0400, r...@tamos.net wrote:

Hi,

> Curious, if you gave Msys2 a try, as Mike was asking about here:

unfortunatley, msys2 (like cygwin) doesn't work with my wine installation
so I am out of luck for this project.
Also, it seems the float support of picolisp would make my project too
troublesome.

Richard


Hi Richard.  If you want to get PicoLisp running on windows compilation can
be difficult but you mention wine.  What are you trying to run PicoLisp on,
Linux, BSD?  If you are willing to try using Docker containers I've made
some slim images of 64-bit PicoLisp.

See: https://hub.docker.com/r/progit/pil-minimal/

And

https://hub.docker.com/r/progit/pil-enhanced/

I hope this helps ease you into running PicoLisp.

-David

Re: anyone tried cygwin or mingw recently?

2017-07-16 Thread Richard Z 
On Sun, Jul 09, 2017 at 02:06:05PM -0400, r...@tamos.net wrote:

Hi,

> Curious, if you gave Msys2 a try, as Mike was asking about here:

unfortunatley, msys2 (like cygwin) doesn't work with my wine installation
so I am out of luck for this project.
Also, it seems the float support of picolisp would make my project too 
troublesome.

Richard

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Re: anyone tried cygwin or mingw recently?

2017-07-10 Thread Mike Pechkin 
>
>
> Does MSYS handle fork?
>
>
​yes.​

Re: anyone tried cygwin or mingw recently?

2017-07-10 Thread Richard Z 
On Sun, Jul 09, 2017 at 02:06:05PM -0400, r...@tamos.net wrote:

Hi Rick,

> Curious, if you gave Msys2 a try, as Mike was asking about here:
> 
> On Thu, 06 Jul 2017 13:07 +0300, Mike Pechkin wrote:
> > Richard,
> > 
> > I've compile picoLisp under msys (http://www.msys2.org/)
> > and 'ctl' locking works here.
> > You should a try.

will give it a try.. I have it works better that cygwin with wine
because I don't even have windows here;)

Does MSYS handle fork?


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Re: anyone tried cygwin or mingw recently?

2017-07-09 Thread rick 
Hi, Richard!

Curious, if you gave Msys2 a try, as Mike was asking about here:

On Thu, 06 Jul 2017 13:07 +0300, Mike Pechkin wrote:
> Richard,
> 
> I've compile picoLisp under msys (http://www.msys2.org/)
> and 'ctl' locking works here.
> You should a try.

(Glad to see that joebo chimed in. I wish I could help him too, but I
don't think I have the chops or time.)

Cheers, --Rick

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Re: anyone tried cygwin or mingw recently?

2017-07-09 Thread Richard Z 
On Wed, Jul 05, 2017 at 02:00:51PM -0400, Joe Bogner wrote:

Hi Joe,

thanks for your answer.

> I'm not sure about mingw/cygwin but I do have an unofficial port of pil-64
> that runs on windows using midipix --
> https://github.com/joebo/picoLisp-win-x86-64

out of curiosity, does the 32bit port run on w64? 

> Aside from a proof of concept, I haven't moved forward on keeping this up
> to date with the latest pil or pushing it forward. If there was community
> interest, I'd be more motivated to push it forward

sadly, I can't help and with all that issues it would seem 
too risky for the project that I was thinking about.

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Re: anyone tried cygwin or mingw recently?

2017-07-06 Thread Mike Pechkin 
Richard,

I've compile picoLisp under msys (http://www.msys2.org/)
and 'ctl' locking works here.
You should a try.

On Wed, Jul 5, 2017 at 4:20 PM, Alexander Burger 
wrote:

> On Wed, Jul 05, 2017 at 02:27:34PM +0200, Richard Z wrote:
> > > We now checked with Mike. Seems most of it is still needed. So we just
> did the
> > > first case in src/io.c
> >
> > so database locking now works (minus ocassional Windows bugs)?
>
> Unfortunately not. It just passes compilation. We tested with 'ctl'. It
> just
> seems to ignore the lock under Cygwin.
>
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Re: anyone tried cygwin or mingw recently?

2017-07-05 Thread Joe Bogner 
Hi Richard,

I'm not sure about mingw/cygwin but I do have an unofficial port of pil-64
that runs on windows using midipix --
https://github.com/joebo/picoLisp-win-x86-64

My port has somewhat stalled as midipix is moving a bit slower than I
expected.

If I recall, most tests were passing and it worked reasonably well for
prototyping on windows. I wouldn't use it for production apps

Sockets and forking seemed to be stable and fast. Database locking does not
work though.

I started to look into using the windows api to lock (LockFile)... but
stopped as midipix was going to be adding support for it "soon"  as-of 6
months ago or so. It's not been added to midipix yet.

If it was needed, I think it could be added to the shim and then
incorporated into the assembly code

https://github.com/joebo/picoLisp-win-x86-64/blob/master/src64/arch/win-x86-64-native_shim.c

Aside from a proof of concept, I haven't moved forward on keeping this up
to date with the latest pil or pushing it forward. If there was community
interest, I'd be more motivated to push it forward

Thanks,
Joe



On Sun, Jul 2, 2017 at 1:37 PM,  wrote:

> On Sun, 02 Jul 2017 19:07 +0200, Richard Z wrote:
> > Did anyone test it recently?
>
> Hi Richard,
>
> Hopefully, joebo will comment on this.  He is the one I know for sure
> who has looked into mingw-type builds of picolisp this the past year.
>
> Best, --Rick
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Re: anyone tried cygwin or mingw recently?

2017-07-05 Thread Alexander Burger 
On Wed, Jul 05, 2017 at 02:27:34PM +0200, Richard Z wrote:
> > We now checked with Mike. Seems most of it is still needed. So we just did 
> > the
> > first case in src/io.c
> 
> so database locking now works (minus ocassional Windows bugs)?

Unfortunately not. It just passes compilation. We tested with 'ctl'. It just
seems to ignore the lock under Cygwin.

♪♫ Alex

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Re: anyone tried cygwin or mingw recently?

2017-07-05 Thread Richard Z 
On Tue, Jul 04, 2017 at 11:04:16AM +0200, Alexander Burger wrote:
> On Mon, Jul 03, 2017 at 04:42:32PM +0200, Alexander Burger wrote:
> > > Cool! So I can safely remove it? It looks ugly indeed ;)
> > 
> > Looking at it, there are move such "ifndef __CYGWIN__" lines, besides the 
> > above
> > from "src/io.c" alsoin "src/pico.h" and "src/main.c".
> > 
> > Rather ugly stuff, even renaming 'main' to 'main2'. I would be glad to 
> > throw all
> > that garbage out.
> 
> We now checked with Mike. Seems most of it is still needed. So we just did the
> first case in src/io.c

so database locking now works (minus ocassional Windows bugs)?


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Re: anyone tried cygwin or mingw recently?

2017-07-04 Thread Alexander Burger 
On Mon, Jul 03, 2017 at 04:42:32PM +0200, Alexander Burger wrote:
> > Cool! So I can safely remove it? It looks ugly indeed ;)
> 
> Looking at it, there are move such "ifndef __CYGWIN__" lines, besides the 
> above
> from "src/io.c" alsoin "src/pico.h" and "src/main.c".
> 
> Rather ugly stuff, even renaming 'main' to 'main2'. I would be glad to throw 
> all
> that garbage out.

We now checked with Mike. Seems most of it is still needed. So we just did the
first case in src/io.c

♪♫ Alex

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Re: anyone tried cygwin or mingw recently?

2017-07-03 Thread Alexander Burger 
On Mon, Jul 03, 2017 at 04:29:23PM +0200, Alexander Burger wrote:
> Hi Mike,
> 
> > > noticed that the code still has
> > >
> > > #ifdef __CYGWIN__
> > > #include 
> > > #define fcntl(fd,cmd,fl) 0
> > > #endif
> > >
> > 
> > ​on my cygwin it compiles and pass buildin tests without code above
> 
> Cool! So I can safely remove it? It looks ugly indeed ;)

Looking at it, there are move such "ifndef __CYGWIN__" lines, besides the above
from "src/io.c" alsoin "src/pico.h" and "src/main.c".

Rather ugly stuff, even renaming 'main' to 'main2'. I would be glad to throw all
that garbage out.

♪♫ Alex

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Re: anyone tried cygwin or mingw recently?

2017-07-03 Thread Alexander Burger 
Hi Mike,

> > noticed that the code still has
> >
> > #ifdef __CYGWIN__
> > #include 
> > #define fcntl(fd,cmd,fl) 0
> > #endif
> >
> 
> ​on my cygwin it compiles and pass buildin tests without code above

Cool! So I can safely remove it? It looks ugly indeed ;)

♪♫ Alex

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Re: anyone tried cygwin or mingw recently?

2017-07-02 Thread Mike Pechkin 
On Sun, Jul 2, 2017 at 8:07 PM, Richard Z  wrote:

> Hi,
>
> noticed that the code still has
>
> #ifdef __CYGWIN__
> #include 
> #define fcntl(fd,cmd,fl) 0
> #endif
>

​on my cygwin it compiles and pass buildin tests without code above

Re: anyone tried cygwin or mingw recently?

2017-07-02 Thread rick 
On Sun, 02 Jul 2017 19:07 +0200, Richard Z wrote:
> Did anyone test it recently?

Hi Richard,

Hopefully, joebo will comment on this.  He is the one I know for sure
who has looked into mingw-type builds of picolisp this the past year.

Best, --Rick

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anyone tried cygwin or mingw recently?

2017-07-02 Thread Richard Z 
Hi,

noticed that the code still has 

#ifdef __CYGWIN__ 
#include  
#define fcntl(fd,cmd,fl) 0 
#endif

- is this still necessary? Did anyone test it recently?

Regards,
Richard

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