Re: How XML Threatens Big Data

2009-08-24 Thread TC



On Mon, 24 Aug 2009, Henrik Sarvell wrote:


I'm currently fetching data from a Java source which is giving me back
XML (one of the world's biggest poker networks), it looks something
like this:

xml
headerfieldname1;fieldname2/header
datadata1;data2::data1;data2/data
/xml

Everyone who really has to send A LOT of data back and forth ends up
doing something like the above ;-)


No matter what, I still twitch when I see people reinventing the wheel the wrong way like with xml, 
json and stuff. S-exps are way more efficient and easier to parse than all that crap, and pre-date 
(If only it were predate...) them. Yet people keep messing with xml, html, json, etc, 
and when one brings s-exps to the discussion, they say lisp is dead, forget it or some 
bullshit like that, or just disregard the comment silently and keep doing things the way they have 
been doing them so far.


Anyway, given the above it made me smile reading that article.

It's annoying that good marketing can impose such bullshit on our
industry, I mean we're supposed to be more rational than most people
aren't we?

/Henrik


On Mon, Aug 24, 2009 at 10:47 AM, Randall Dowr...@randix.net wrote:

Must reading for anyone designing data storage!


How XML Threatens Big Data
http://dataspora.com/blog/xml-and-big-data/

(and I will add, little data, too.) Anyone for WSDL? What a catastrophe.

Flame bait:
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Java was invented (mainly marketed) by Sun in order to increase HW
sales. Most of the big business where I have worked (banks, mobile
telecoms) could do with less than 1/4th (1/10th??) of the HW they have
today, if they used reasonable software. It is all Java, XML, Oracle,
and SOAP. =A0It is very appropriate that Sun is being eaten (for
dessert) by Oracle. Sun started by trying to change the world with
unix but has fallen prey to the mass Java marketing that they started.
(ok, I didn't get all of that out of the article above, but it is my opin=

ion.)

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Alex, I like picolisp and its data storage!
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Re: How XML Threatens Big Data

2009-08-24 Thread Eugene
Couldn't resist digging up a bit of CS History from none other than John 
McCarthy http://www-formal.stanford.edu/jmc/cbcl.html


He wrote the paper in 1975, got it published in 1982, revisited it in 
1999 and 10 years later it's still as applicable as it was decades ago.


Enjoy!

TC wrote:

On Mon, 24 Aug 2009, TC wrote:



On Mon, 24 Aug 2009, Henrik Sarvell wrote:


 I'm currently fetching data from a Java source which is giving me back
 XML (one of the world's biggest poker networks), it looks something
 like this:

 xml
 headerfieldname1;fieldname2/header
 datadata1;data2::data1;data2/data
 /xml

 Everyone who really has to send A LOT of data back and forth ends up
 doing something like the above ;-)


No matter what, I still twitch when I see people reinventing the 
wheel the wrong way like with xml, json and stuff. S-exps are way 
more efficient and easier to parse than all that crap, and pre-date 
(If only it were predate...) them. Yet people keep messing with 
xml, html, json, etc, and


Oops, I was trying to say predate as in predatory, but ended up 
discovering (too late) that predate is the same as pre-date (antedate).


when one brings s-exps to the discussion, they say lisp is dead, 
forget it or some bullshit like that, or just disregard the comment 
silently and keep doing things the way they have been doing them so far.



 Anyway, given the above it made me smile reading that article.

 It's annoying that good marketing can impose such bullshit on our
 industry, I mean we're supposed to be more rational than most people
 aren't we?

 /Henrik


 On Mon, Aug 24, 2009 at 10:47 AM, Randall Dowr...@randix.net wrote:
  Must reading for anyone designing data storage!
How XML Threatens Big Data
  http://dataspora.com/blog/xml-and-big-data/
   (and I will add, little data, too.) Anyone for WSDL? What a 
catastrophe.

   Flame bait:
  --
  Java was invented (mainly marketed) by Sun in order to increase HW
  sales. Most of the big business where I have worked (banks, mobile
  telecoms) could do with less than 1/4th (1/10th??) of the HW they 
have
  today, if they used reasonable software. It is all Java, XML, 
Oracle,

  and SOAP. =A0It is very appropriate that Sun is being eaten (for
  dessert) by Oracle. Sun started by trying to change the world with
  unix but has fallen prey to the mass Java marketing that they 
started.
  (ok, I didn't get all of that out of the article above, but it is 
my   opin=

 ion.)
  --
  Flame off!
   Alex, I like picolisp and its data storage!
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