Re: [Pkg-javascript-devel] about granting scm commit access to the alioth project
Quoting Jonas Smedegaard (2014-01-27 20:44:47) > Quoting Jonas Smedegaard (2014-01-02 16:29:30) >> Quoting Jérémy Lal (2014-01-02 13:01:12) >>> I wonder if there is a minimum official requirement for granting SCM >>> commit access to newcomers. >> >> At most there is "common practice" and of that there is several: >> Alioth is provided by Debian and has the requirement that its use >> should be related to Debian, but apart from that we decide on our own >> how we want to work internally in our team. >> >> I like to avoid taking or giving orders from others, and since we use >> Alioth only as central "hub" for distributed resources (git and >> mailinglists) I see no need for hierarchy and routinely appoint >> "super cow powers" to any newcomer to our team. >> >> If others insist that we should have hierarchy and distrust newcomers >> until they somehow prove themselves worthy of higher power, then I >> will demote myself to the lowest power (and consider leaving the >> group). > > Noone commented on this part. > > Last call: If noone argues to the contrary, I will promote all team > members to admin status one week from now. Done: We now have equal powers within this team! I also dropped roles now no longer used in our team. Any of us can re-add them later if needed: we have equal powers. - Jonas -- * Jonas Smedegaard - idealist & Internet-arkitekt * Tlf.: +45 40843136 Website: http://dr.jones.dk/ [x] quote me freely [ ] ask before reusing [ ] keep private signature.asc Description: signature ___ Pkg-javascript-devel mailing list Pkg-javascript-devel@lists.alioth.debian.org http://lists.alioth.debian.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pkg-javascript-devel
Re: [Pkg-javascript-devel] about granting scm commit access to the alioth project
Hi Emilien (and others), Quoting Emilien Klein (2014-01-29 18:34:22) > 2014-01-27 Jonas Smedegaard >> Last call: If noone argues to the contrary, I will promote all team >> members to admin status one week from now. > > I have no issues with this. Benefit of SCM is that you could always > revert to a previous version, if bad stuff were to happen. Indeed - that's exactly why treating us all equal in this team makes sense to me: maintaining a hierarchy helps less than it risks damaging enthusiasm, IMO. NB! Be cautious _always_ about all code you digest (teams or hierarchies or not)! > The question is what would happen if folks with admin rights would > delete entire repositories. Are they backed up somewhere, to be able > to revert the bad action? As you somowhat imply yourself above, the "backup" is the mirroring we each have in the form of git clones. Alioth probably run some backup routines too internally, but we shouldn't rely on that IMO. >> Quoting Jonas Smedegaard (2014-01-02 16:29:30) >>> Speaking of which: >>> >>> I have till now mostly used collab-maint instead of our own git area >>> to ease contributions from other Debian members. Alioth now (since >>> some time) allows any team to grant write access to all official >>> Debian members, similar to the access rights of collab-maint. Do >>> anyone in this team disagree with enabling that additional right to >>> our git, or is it ok that I enable it (and start move packages from >>> collab-maint to our own git)? >> >> I have now granted all DDs write access to our team git repository. >> >> I will start move packages there that I have previously maintained at >> collab-maint, and suggest others to do the same. > > If I understand this correctly, we're talking about moving away from doing > our SCM work in collab-maint, but I guess I've missed to where we would be > moving? To our own pkg-javascript area, like this: http://anonscm.debian.org/gitweb/?p=pkg-javascript/leaflet-markercluster.git;a=commitdiff;h=8af33e Regards, - Jonas -- * Jonas Smedegaard - idealist & Internet-arkitekt * Tlf.: +45 40843136 Website: http://dr.jones.dk/ [x] quote me freely [ ] ask before reusing [ ] keep private signature.asc Description: signature ___ Pkg-javascript-devel mailing list Pkg-javascript-devel@lists.alioth.debian.org http://lists.alioth.debian.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pkg-javascript-devel
Re: [Pkg-javascript-devel] about granting scm commit access to the alioth project
Quoting Jérémy Lal (2014-01-29 18:23:16) > Le lundi 27 janvier 2014 à 20:44 +0100, Jonas Smedegaard a écrit : >> Quoting Jonas Smedegaard (2014-01-02 16:29:30) >>> I like to avoid taking or giving orders from others, and since we >>> use Alioth only as central "hub" for distributed resources (git and >>> mailinglists) I see no need for hierarchy and routinely appoint >>> "super cow powers" to any newcomer to our team. >>> >>> If others insist that we should have hierarchy and distrust >>> newcomers until they somehow prove themselves worthy of higher >>> power, then I will demote myself to the lowest power (and consider >>> leaving the group). >> >> Noone commented on this part. >> >> Last call: If noone argues to the contrary, I will promote all team >> members to admin status one week from now. > > Agreed, but before you do: > what's the worst thing an abusing member with admin status can do to > the project ? Worst I can imagine is erase/replace central git clones. OThers with a wilder imagination than mine? - Jonas -- * Jonas Smedegaard - idealist & Internet-arkitekt * Tlf.: +45 40843136 Website: http://dr.jones.dk/ [x] quote me freely [ ] ask before reusing [ ] keep private signature.asc Description: signature ___ Pkg-javascript-devel mailing list Pkg-javascript-devel@lists.alioth.debian.org http://lists.alioth.debian.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pkg-javascript-devel
Re: [Pkg-javascript-devel] about granting scm commit access to the alioth project
Hi team, 2014-01-27 Jonas Smedegaard > Greetings, fellow Javascript hackers, > > Quoting Jonas Smedegaard (2014-01-02 16:29:30) > > Quoting Jérémy Lal (2014-01-02 13:01:12) > >> I wonder if there is a minimum official requirement for granting SCM > >> commit access to newcomers. > > > > At most there is "common practice" and of that there is several: > > Alioth is provided by Debian and has the requirement that its use > > should be related to Debian, but apart from that we decide on our own > > how we want to work internally in our team. > > > > I like to avoid taking or giving orders from others, and since we use > > Alioth only as central "hub" for distributed resources (git and > > mailinglists) I see no need for hierarchy and routinely appoint "super > > cow powers" to any newcomer to our team. > > > > If others insist that we should have hierarchy and distrust newcomers > > until they somehow prove themselves worthy of higher power, then I > > will demote myself to the lowest power (and consider leaving the > > group). > That would be very sad, and a big loss to this team. Please don't do that ;) > > Noone commented on this part. > > Last call: If noone argues to the contrary, I will promote all team > members to admin status one week from now. > I have no issues with this. Benefit of SCM is that you could always revert to a previous version, if bad stuff were to happen. The question is what would happen if folks with admin rights would delete entire repositories. Are they backed up somewhere, to be able to revert the bad action? Committing to the SCN doesn't equate being able to upload packages. (see [0] for an example) > > > > Speaking of which: > > > > I have till now mostly used collab-maint instead of our own git area > > to ease contributions from other Debian members. Alioth now (since > > some time) allows any team to grant write access to all official > > Debian members, similar to the access rights of collab-maint. Do > > anyone in this team disagree with enabling that additional right to > > our git, or is it ok that I enable it (and start move packages from > > collab-maint to our own git)? > > I have now granted all DDs write access to our team git repository. > > I will start move packages there that I have previously maintained at > collab-maint, and suggest others to do the same. > If I understand this correctly, we're talking about moving away from doing our SCM work in collab-maint, but I guess I've missed to where we would be moving? Cheers, +Emilien [0] http://lists.alioth.debian.org/pipermail/pkg-javascript-devel/2013-February/004907.html ___ Pkg-javascript-devel mailing list Pkg-javascript-devel@lists.alioth.debian.org http://lists.alioth.debian.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pkg-javascript-devel
Re: [Pkg-javascript-devel] about granting scm commit access to the alioth project
Le lundi 27 janvier 2014 à 20:44 +0100, Jonas Smedegaard a écrit : > Greetings, fellow Javascript hackers, > > Quoting Jonas Smedegaard (2014-01-02 16:29:30) > > Quoting Jérémy Lal (2014-01-02 13:01:12) > >> I wonder if there is a minimum official requirement for granting SCM > >> commit access to newcomers. > > > > At most there is "common practice" and of that there is several: > > Alioth is provided by Debian and has the requirement that its use > > should be related to Debian, but apart from that we decide on our own > > how we want to work internally in our team. > > > > I like to avoid taking or giving orders from others, and since we use > > Alioth only as central "hub" for distributed resources (git and > > mailinglists) I see no need for hierarchy and routinely appoint "super > > cow powers" to any newcomer to our team. > > > > If others insist that we should have hierarchy and distrust newcomers > > until they somehow prove themselves worthy of higher power, then I > > will demote myself to the lowest power (and consider leaving the > > group). > > Noone commented on this part. > > Last call: If noone argues to the contrary, I will promote all team > members to admin status one week from now. Agreed, but before you do: what's the worst thing an abusing member with admin status can do to the project ? Jérémy. ___ Pkg-javascript-devel mailing list Pkg-javascript-devel@lists.alioth.debian.org http://lists.alioth.debian.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pkg-javascript-devel
Re: [Pkg-javascript-devel] about granting scm commit access to the alioth project
Greetings, fellow Javascript hackers, Quoting Jonas Smedegaard (2014-01-02 16:29:30) > Quoting Jérémy Lal (2014-01-02 13:01:12) >> I wonder if there is a minimum official requirement for granting SCM >> commit access to newcomers. > > At most there is "common practice" and of that there is several: > Alioth is provided by Debian and has the requirement that its use > should be related to Debian, but apart from that we decide on our own > how we want to work internally in our team. > > I like to avoid taking or giving orders from others, and since we use > Alioth only as central "hub" for distributed resources (git and > mailinglists) I see no need for hierarchy and routinely appoint "super > cow powers" to any newcomer to our team. > > If others insist that we should have hierarchy and distrust newcomers > until they somehow prove themselves worthy of higher power, then I > will demote myself to the lowest power (and consider leaving the > group). Noone commented on this part. Last call: If noone argues to the contrary, I will promote all team members to admin status one week from now. > Speaking of which: > > I have till now mostly used collab-maint instead of our own git area > to ease contributions from other Debian members. Alioth now (since > some time) allows any team to grant write access to all official > Debian members, similar to the access rights of collab-maint. Do > anyone in this team disagree with enabling that additional right to > our git, or is it ok that I enable it (and start move packages from > collab-maint to our own git)? I have now granted all DDs write access to our team git repository. I will start move packages there that I have previously maintained at collab-maint, and suggest others to do the same. Regards, - Jonas -- * Jonas Smedegaard - idealist & Internet-arkitekt * Tlf.: +45 40843136 Website: http://dr.jones.dk/ [x] quote me freely [ ] ask before reusing [ ] keep private signature.asc Description: signature ___ Pkg-javascript-devel mailing list Pkg-javascript-devel@lists.alioth.debian.org http://lists.alioth.debian.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pkg-javascript-devel
Re: [Pkg-javascript-devel] about granting scm commit access to the alioth project
Hi Jeremy, On So 05 Jan 2014 22:38:47 CET, Jérémy Lal wrote: On 05/01/2014 22:13, Mike Gabriel wrote: On Do 02 Jan 2014 16:29:30 CET, Jonas Smedegaard wrote: Speaking of which: I have till now mostly used collab-maint instead of our own git area to ease contributions from other Debian members. Alioth now (since some time) allows any team to grant write access to all official Debian members, similar to the access rights of collab-maint. Do anyone in this team disagree with enabling that additional right to our git, or is it ok that I enable it (and start move packages from collab-maint to our own git)? Fine by me. Please also note that /me is sitting in the frontdesk team with my current responsibility / task of processing requests for granting access to collab-maint. May i ask if you have specific criteria for granting that access ? The collab-maint workflow is documented here [1]. Mike [1] https://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2012/01/msg6.html -- DAS-NETZWERKTEAM mike gabriel, herweg 7, 24357 fleckeby fon: +49 (1520) 1976 148 GnuPG Key ID 0x25771B31 mail: mike.gabr...@das-netzwerkteam.de, http://das-netzwerkteam.de freeBusy: https://mail.das-netzwerkteam.de/freebusy/m.gabriel%40das-netzwerkteam.de.xfb pgploDP_UTp7L.pgp Description: Digitale PGP-Signatur ___ Pkg-javascript-devel mailing list Pkg-javascript-devel@lists.alioth.debian.org http://lists.alioth.debian.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pkg-javascript-devel
Re: [Pkg-javascript-devel] about granting scm commit access to the alioth project
On Thu, 2014-01-02 at 16:29 +0100, Jonas Smedegaard wrote: > Speaking of which: > > I have till now mostly used collab-maint instead of our own git area to > ease contributions from other Debian members. Alioth now (since some > time) allows any team to grant write access to all official Debian > members, similar to the access rights of collab-maint. Do anyone in > this team disagree with enabling that additional right to our git, or is > it ok that I enable it (and start move packages from collab-maint to our > own git)? No problem for me, go ahead enabling that additional right to our git. Cheers, -- Marcelo Jorge Vieira xmpp:me...@jabber-br.org http://metaldot.alucinados.com signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part ___ Pkg-javascript-devel mailing list Pkg-javascript-devel@lists.alioth.debian.org http://lists.alioth.debian.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pkg-javascript-devel
Re: [Pkg-javascript-devel] about granting scm commit access to the alioth project
On 05/01/2014 22:13, Mike Gabriel wrote: > On Do 02 Jan 2014 16:29:30 CET, Jonas Smedegaard wrote: > >> Speaking of which: >> >> I have till now mostly used collab-maint instead of our own git >> area to ease contributions from other Debian members. Alioth now >> (since some time) allows any team to grant write access to all >> official Debian members, similar to the access rights of >> collab-maint. Do anyone in this team disagree with enabling that >> additional right to our git, or is it ok that I enable it (and >> start move packages from collab-maint to our own git)? > > Fine by me. Please also note that /me is sitting in the frontdesk > team with my current responsibility / task of processing requests for > granting access to collab-maint. May i ask if you have specific criteria for granting that access ? Jérémy. ___ Pkg-javascript-devel mailing list Pkg-javascript-devel@lists.alioth.debian.org http://lists.alioth.debian.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pkg-javascript-devel
Re: [Pkg-javascript-devel] about granting scm commit access to the alioth project
On Do 02 Jan 2014 16:29:30 CET, Jonas Smedegaard wrote: Speaking of which: I have till now mostly used collab-maint instead of our own git area to ease contributions from other Debian members. Alioth now (since some time) allows any team to grant write access to all official Debian members, similar to the access rights of collab-maint. Do anyone in this team disagree with enabling that additional right to our git, or is it ok that I enable it (and start move packages from collab-maint to our own git)? Fine by me. Please also note that /me is sitting in the frontdesk team with my current responsibility / task of processing requests for granting access to collab-maint. Mike -- DAS-NETZWERKTEAM mike gabriel, herweg 7, 24357 fleckeby fon: +49 (1520) 1976 148 GnuPG Key ID 0x25771B31 mail: mike.gabr...@das-netzwerkteam.de, http://das-netzwerkteam.de freeBusy: https://mail.das-netzwerkteam.de/freebusy/m.gabriel%40das-netzwerkteam.de.xfb pgpMfgdG6YFr1.pgp Description: Digitale PGP-Signatur ___ Pkg-javascript-devel mailing list Pkg-javascript-devel@lists.alioth.debian.org http://lists.alioth.debian.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pkg-javascript-devel
Re: [Pkg-javascript-devel] about granting scm commit access to the alioth project
Quoting Jérémy Lal (2014-01-02 13:01:12) > I wonder if there is a minimum official requirement for granting SCM > commit access to newcomers. At most there is "common practice" and of that there is several: Alioth is provided by Debian and has the requirement that its use should be related to Debian, but apart from that we decide on our own how we want to work internally in our team. I like to avoid taking or giving orders from others, and since we use Alioth only as central "hub" for distributed resources (git and mailinglists) I see no need for hierarchy and routinely appoint "super cow powers" to any newcomer to our team. If others insist that we should have hierarchy and distrust newcomers until they somehow prove themselves worthy of higher power, then I will demote myself to the lowest power (and consider leaving the group). Speaking of which: I have till now mostly used collab-maint instead of our own git area to ease contributions from other Debian members. Alioth now (since some time) allows any team to grant write access to all official Debian members, similar to the access rights of collab-maint. Do anyone in this team disagree with enabling that additional right to our git, or is it ok that I enable it (and start move packages from collab-maint to our own git)? - Jonas -- * Jonas Smedegaard - idealist & Internet-arkitekt * Tlf.: +45 40843136 Website: http://dr.jones.dk/ [x] quote me freely [ ] ask before reusing [ ] keep private signature.asc Description: signature ___ Pkg-javascript-devel mailing list Pkg-javascript-devel@lists.alioth.debian.org http://lists.alioth.debian.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pkg-javascript-devel
[Pkg-javascript-devel] about granting scm commit access to the alioth project
Hi, I wonder if there is a minimum official requirement for granting SCM commit access to newcomers. Regards and happy new year, Jérémy ___ Pkg-javascript-devel mailing list Pkg-javascript-devel@lists.alioth.debian.org http://lists.alioth.debian.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pkg-javascript-devel
