Re: [Pkg-kde-extras] deluge and GeoIP database license
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Cristian Greco schrieb: > On Mon, Nov 24, 2008 at 08:09:45PM +0100, Patrick Matthäi wrote: > >> Yeah it was considered non-free. I adopted the package and fixed the >> issues together with the upstream authors. It is fixed since I am >> repackaging it with a "dfsg" tarball. > > I see your point here. > > I had a look at your geoip package in experimental (1.4.5.dfsg-1). You > removed the string "All Rights Reserved" from the GeoIP database using: > > $ sed 's/ All Rights Reserved//' -i data/GeoIP.dat > > In effect, the GeoLiteCountry database used by deluge has the very same > problem: > > $ wget > http://www.maxmind.com/download/geoip/database/GeoLiteCountry/GeoIP.dat.gz > $ gunzip GeoIP.dat.gz > $ strings GeoIP.dat > GEO-106FREE 20081101 Build 1 Copyright (c) 2007 MaxMind LLC All Rights > Reserved > > I guess I'll ask MaxMind for a similar permission to change the > copyright statement and then I'll repackage the source tarball. > > Any suggestion? At least you are free to remove it from your copy also, it is not restricted for Debian-only (what would be non-free per DGSG). See debian/README.Debian-source. Anyway it would be still a RC bug if you embedde code copys in your package. If you *realy* just need the database file (not the library itself) you could also depend on the new geoip-database package from experimental, which just includes the database, but I do not recommend this. - -- /* Mit freundlichem Gruß / With kind regards, Patrick Matthäi E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Comment: Always if we think we are right, we were maybe wrong. */ -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux) iEYEARECAAYFAkksXj8ACgkQ2XA5inpabMdUXQCfT7lDyYU2MtZKCBnKeOplkf6h fVsAn0Y9CTSD8KiueMR712jrMssFDDZy =4MUL -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ pkg-kde-extras mailing list pkg-kde-extras@lists.alioth.debian.org http://lists.alioth.debian.org/mailman/listinfo/pkg-kde-extras
Re: [Pkg-kde-extras] deluge and GeoIP database license
On Mon, Nov 24, 2008 at 08:09:45PM +0100, Patrick Matthäi wrote: > Yeah it was considered non-free. I adopted the package and fixed the > issues together with the upstream authors. It is fixed since I am > repackaging it with a "dfsg" tarball. I see your point here. I had a look at your geoip package in experimental (1.4.5.dfsg-1). You removed the string "All Rights Reserved" from the GeoIP database using: $ sed 's/ All Rights Reserved//' -i data/GeoIP.dat In effect, the GeoLiteCountry database used by deluge has the very same problem: $ wget http://www.maxmind.com/download/geoip/database/GeoLiteCountry/GeoIP.dat.gz $ gunzip GeoIP.dat.gz $ strings GeoIP.dat GEO-106FREE 20081101 Build 1 Copyright (c) 2007 MaxMind LLC All Rights Reserved I guess I'll ask MaxMind for a similar permission to change the copyright statement and then I'll repackage the source tarball. Any suggestion? Thanks, Cristian -- . ''`. Cristian Greco - [EMAIL PROTECTED] : :' : http://alioth.debian.org/~cristian-guest `. `'` GPG Public Key ID: 1024D/0C095825 `- signature.asc Description: Digital signature ___ pkg-kde-extras mailing list pkg-kde-extras@lists.alioth.debian.org http://lists.alioth.debian.org/mailman/listinfo/pkg-kde-extras
Re: [Pkg-kde-extras] deluge and GeoIP database license
On Mon, Nov 24, 2008 at 08:09:45PM +0100, Patrick Matthäi wrote: > Cristian Greco schrieb: > > Hi all, > > > > I'm working for a new upload of deluge[0] (bittorrent client). > > > > The source tarball includes a GeoLite Country (binary) database by > > MaxMind, which should be distributed using the license[1] below. > > Please do not ship any copys of the database, such things are serious. I know, but actually the license seems to be suitable for main, isn't it? Thanks, Cristian -- . ''`. Cristian Greco - [EMAIL PROTECTED] : :' : http://alioth.debian.org/~cristian-guest `. `'` GPG Public Key ID: 1024D/0C095825 `- signature.asc Description: Digital signature ___ pkg-kde-extras mailing list pkg-kde-extras@lists.alioth.debian.org http://lists.alioth.debian.org/mailman/listinfo/pkg-kde-extras
Re: [Pkg-kde-extras] deluge and GeoIP database license
Cristian Greco schrieb: > Hi all, > > I'm working for a new upload of deluge[0] (bittorrent client). > > The source tarball includes a GeoLite Country (binary) database by > MaxMind, which should be distributed using the license[1] below. Please do not ship any copys of the database, such things are serious. > > I've found that ktorrent (CCing to pkg-kde-extras, please CC your > replies because I'm not subscribed) uses the same DB by MaxMind, but > that license has been considered non DFSG-free two years ago by the > list[2]. Yeah it was considered non-free. I adopted the package and fixed the issues together with the upstream authors. It is fixed since I am repackaging it with a "dfsg" tarball. -- /* Mit freundlichem Gruß / With kind regards, Patrick Matthäi E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Comment: Always if we think we are right, we were maybe wrong. */ ___ pkg-kde-extras mailing list pkg-kde-extras@lists.alioth.debian.org http://lists.alioth.debian.org/mailman/listinfo/pkg-kde-extras
Re: [Pkg-kde-extras] deluge and GeoIP database license
Cristian Greco <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I've found that ktorrent (CCing to pkg-kde-extras, please CC your > replies because I'm not subscribed) uses the same DB by MaxMind, but > that license has been considered non DFSG-free two years ago by the > list[2]. It was the APNIC, ARIN and RIPE databases which didn't meet DFSG. The MaxMind one was acceptable but contained the "obnoxious" ad clause. > Doubts: > 1) Is this license really suitable for distribution in main now? > 2) If so, what about ktorrent? Should they update their copy of the > database in order to avoid source repackaging? If the other copyrights no longer apply, it's suitable. I don't know what's best for ktorrent. Hope that helps, -- MJR/slef My Opinion Only: see http://people.debian.org/~mjr/ Please follow http://www.uk.debian.org/MailingLists/#codeofconduct ___ pkg-kde-extras mailing list pkg-kde-extras@lists.alioth.debian.org http://lists.alioth.debian.org/mailman/listinfo/pkg-kde-extras
Re: [Pkg-kde-extras] deluge and GeoIP database license
Le vendredi 21 novembre 2008 à 00:33 +0100, Cristian Greco a écrit : > 1) Is this license really suitable for distribution in main now? Yes, it’s a BSD license with advertising clause. Theoretically you cannot link GPL software without exception to it; however the library is merely using it as data and is not strictly depending on the database, so my guess would be that this is OK. > 2) If so, what about ktorrent? Should they update their copy of the > database in order to avoid source repackaging? If possible, ktorrent and libgeoip should use the same database to avoid duplication. -- .''`. : :' : We are debian.org. Lower your prices, surrender your code. `. `' We will add your hardware and software distinctiveness to `-our own. Resistance is futile. signature.asc Description: Ceci est une partie de message numériquement signée ___ pkg-kde-extras mailing list pkg-kde-extras@lists.alioth.debian.org http://lists.alioth.debian.org/mailman/listinfo/pkg-kde-extras
Re: [Pkg-kde-extras] deluge and GeoIP database license
"Cristian Greco" wrote: >Hi all, > >I'm working for a new upload of deluge[0] (bittorrent client). > >The source tarball includes a GeoLite Country (binary) database by >MaxMind, which should be distributed using the license[1] below. > >I've found that ktorrent (CCing to pkg-kde-extras, please CC your >replies because I'm not subscribed) uses the same DB by MaxMind, but >that license has been considered non DFSG-free two years ago by the >list[2]. > >Well, the actual license seems to be different from the previous one, >and in particular it probably lacks of the non DFSG-compliant text. The licence text as shown has no DFSG issues. The avdertising clause is annoying but it does not make it non-free. If and only if the other licenses really do not apply to the data, and that upstream is not just lying by not showing those notices anymore, then there is no problem with the data being included in main. > >Doubts: >1) Is this license really suitable for distribution in main now? >2) If so, what about ktorrent? Should they update their copy of the >database in order to avoid source repackaging? > >From your other message it sounds like ktorrent may still have another reason to repackage, so little is gained by updating the copy. If that is not the case, then updating the copy to avoid repackaging sounds like a good idea. Disclamers: IANADD, IANAL ___ pkg-kde-extras mailing list pkg-kde-extras@lists.alioth.debian.org http://lists.alioth.debian.org/mailman/listinfo/pkg-kde-extras
Re: [Pkg-kde-extras] deluge and GeoIP database license
Hello, penktadienis 21 Lapkritis 2008, Cristian Greco rašė: > I've found that ktorrent (CCing to pkg-kde-extras, please CC your > replies because I'm not subscribed) uses the same DB by MaxMind, ktorrent package does not ship any DB, it just links against libgeoip and uses whatever that one provides. -- Modestas Vainius <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. ___ pkg-kde-extras mailing list pkg-kde-extras@lists.alioth.debian.org http://lists.alioth.debian.org/mailman/listinfo/pkg-kde-extras
Re: [Pkg-kde-extras] deluge and GeoIP database license
Hello, penktadienis 21 Lapkritis 2008, Cristian Greco rašė: > AFAICS ktorrent source tarball has been repackaged because it ships the > GeoIP DB by MaxMind and some flag icons (another problem in common with > deluge). Well, that is true. Since I can drop that stuff from the tarball without losing functionality, I keep doing that without thinking twice. > Do you have any suggestion about the license above? I'm not sure about 2nd paragraph. -- Modestas Vainius <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. ___ pkg-kde-extras mailing list pkg-kde-extras@lists.alioth.debian.org http://lists.alioth.debian.org/mailman/listinfo/pkg-kde-extras
Re: [Pkg-kde-extras] deluge and GeoIP database license
On Fri, Nov 21, 2008 at 01:42:36AM +0200, Modestas Vainius wrote: > Hello, > > penktadienis 21 Lapkritis 2008, Cristian Greco rašė: > > I've found that ktorrent (CCing to pkg-kde-extras, please CC your > > replies because I'm not subscribed) uses the same DB by MaxMind, > ktorrent package does not ship any DB, it just links against libgeoip and > uses > whatever that one provides. Hi Modestas, AFAICS ktorrent source tarball has been repackaged because it ships the GeoIP DB by MaxMind and some flag icons (another problem in common with deluge). Do you have any suggestion about the license above? Thanks, Cristian -- . ''`. Cristian Greco - [EMAIL PROTECTED] : :' : http://alioth.debian.org/~cristian-guest `. `'` GPG Public Key ID: 1024D/0C095825 `- signature.asc Description: Digital signature ___ pkg-kde-extras mailing list pkg-kde-extras@lists.alioth.debian.org http://lists.alioth.debian.org/mailman/listinfo/pkg-kde-extras
