Re: Jonas is now pkg-multimedia admin
On Fri, Jan 07, 2011 at 08:49:01PM -0300, Felipe Sateler wrote: On Fri, Jan 7, 2011 at 11:17, Jonas Smedegaard wrote: On Fri, Jan 07, 2011 at 10:01:49AM +0100, Fabian Greffrath wrote: Am 06.01.2011 21:32, schrieb Jonas Smedegaard: I don't want to be superior to others just for the sake of it! If we keep this hierarchy without solid reasons for it, then please make me a peasant again! Why do you even care so much? Huh? Didn't I explain that plenty already? It seems we both care. If _you_ don't, then stop arguing and allow me to equalize access rights for us all in this team! Please, just do that. I think it is a waste of everybody's time to even have this conversation. It's not like if mistakes/wrongdoings cannot be reverted. Done! All members of this team are now admins of the team. - Jonas -- * Jonas Smedegaard - idealist & Internet-arkitekt * Tlf.: +45 40843136 Website: http://dr.jones.dk/ [x] quote me freely [ ] ask before reusing [ ] keep private signature.asc Description: Digital signature ___ pkg-multimedia-maintainers mailing list pkg-multimedia-maintainers@lists.alioth.debian.org http://lists.alioth.debian.org/mailman/listinfo/pkg-multimedia-maintainers
Re: Jonas is now pkg-multimedia admin
On Fri, Jan 7, 2011 at 11:17, Jonas Smedegaard wrote: > On Fri, Jan 07, 2011 at 10:01:49AM +0100, Fabian Greffrath wrote: >> >> Am 06.01.2011 21:32, schrieb Jonas Smedegaard: >>> >>> I don't want to be superior to others just for the sake of it! If we keep >>> this hierarchy without solid reasons for it, then please make me a peasant >>> again! >> >> Why do you even care so much? > > Huh? Didn't I explain that plenty already? > > It seems we both care. If _you_ don't, then stop arguing and allow me to > equalize access rights for us all in this team! Please, just do that. I think it is a waste of everybody's time to even have this conversation. It's not like if mistakes/wrongdoings cannot be reverted. -- Saludos, Felipe Sateler ___ pkg-multimedia-maintainers mailing list pkg-multimedia-maintainers@lists.alioth.debian.org http://lists.alioth.debian.org/mailman/listinfo/pkg-multimedia-maintainers
Re: Jonas is now pkg-multimedia admin
On Fri, Jan 07, 2011 at 10:01:49AM +0100, Fabian Greffrath wrote: Am 06.01.2011 21:32, schrieb Jonas Smedegaard: I don't want to be superior to others just for the sake of it! If we keep this hierarchy without solid reasons for it, then please make me a peasant again! Why do you even care so much? Huh? Didn't I explain that plenty already? It seems we both care. If _you_ don't, then stop arguing and allow me to equalize access rights for us all in this team! Kind regards, - Jonas -- * Jonas Smedegaard - idealist & Internet-arkitekt * Tlf.: +45 40843136 Website: http://dr.jones.dk/ [x] quote me freely [ ] ask before reusing [ ] keep private signature.asc Description: Digital signature ___ pkg-multimedia-maintainers mailing list pkg-multimedia-maintainers@lists.alioth.debian.org http://lists.alioth.debian.org/mailman/listinfo/pkg-multimedia-maintainers
Re: Jonas is now pkg-multimedia admin
Am 06.01.2011 21:32, schrieb Jonas Smedegaard: I don't want to be superior to others just for the sake of it! If we keep this hierarchy without solid reasons for it, then please make me a peasant again! Why do you even care so much? I am also an admin, so I can add members while others can't, so what? I mean, I have never seen any "peasant" on this list complaining about his or her status, nor do i believe that a request to become admin would have ever been denied. I believe, most people in this team are not even interested in the privileges of admin status. Cheers, Fabian ___ pkg-multimedia-maintainers mailing list pkg-multimedia-maintainers@lists.alioth.debian.org http://lists.alioth.debian.org/mailman/listinfo/pkg-multimedia-maintainers
Re: Jonas is now pkg-multimedia admin
Am 06.01.2011 00:23, schrieb Felipe Sateler: BTW, if someone wants to do some MIA hunting on this team, it would be cool so that we can easily check out the active members of the team. Some might have noticed that during the last weeks I have become less active (and interested) in most of the multimedia-related packages that I (co-)maintain. To shorten the MIA hunting work, I'd really appreciated if some team mates could take over the main care for the following packages: a52dec libdca flac libebml libmatroska libmms libquicktime I think, all packages are in a very good shape and suitable for beginners (maybe with the exception of libquicktime which has recently seen new upstream releases that could need some guidance to integrate). However, I am not gone and still there to answer questions and read the list. I just don't want to be the main responsible guy for these packages anymore. Cheers, Fabian ___ pkg-multimedia-maintainers mailing list pkg-multimedia-maintainers@lists.alioth.debian.org http://lists.alioth.debian.org/mailman/listinfo/pkg-multimedia-maintainers
Re: Jonas is now pkg-multimedia admin
On Wed, Jan 05, 2011 at 03:49:19PM +0100, Reinhard Tartler wrote: On Wed, Jan 05, 2011 at 15:08:44 (CET), Jonas Smedegaard wrote: On Wed, Jan 05, 2011 at 01:51:13PM +0100, Reinhard Tartler wrote: On Wed, Jan 05, 2011 at 12:55:04 (CET), Jonas Smedegaard wrote: Are anyone else not admins? If so, I suggest either we decide on a public policy on our reasoning for differentiating, or (preferrably) have everyone be admins at Alioth: We do use distributed VCS for all our work, so noone really can do much harm, I believe. I'd prefer to go with the principle of least priviledge, which means that admin status is only granted if someone requires or asks for it. I've noticed that you repond rather quickly to new introductions for prospective members, so having you as admin just makes sense to me. OTOH, I'd encourage everyone that currently has admin status to consider dropping it in case he doesn't require it. Then let me put it upside down: What extra responsibilities am I now burdenend with, compared to those not admins in this team? Currently, I see (anyone feel free to correct me) - approving new applications after making sure that they are fit - editing the meta data of the alioth project - grant others membership of the admin club I would like us to be as equal as possible in this team. We are not equal outside of the team (some of us have access to upload to Debian, Ubuntu, Skolelinux or other places, some are rich, some get laid etc.) but I fail to see the need for multiple access levels here in this team. Everyone in the team is allowed to welcome prospective members. Those that actively do so (properly) are granted admin priviledges. To my book, this makes all team members practically "equal". In my vocabulary that might be _principally_ equal, but practically not: It's like saying we all are practically conomically equal when we can all buy lottery tickets. What do others think? - Jonas -- * Jonas Smedegaard - idealist & Internet-arkitekt * Tlf.: +45 40843136 Website: http://dr.jones.dk/ [x] quote me freely [ ] ask before reusing [ ] keep private signature.asc Description: Digital signature ___ pkg-multimedia-maintainers mailing list pkg-multimedia-maintainers@lists.alioth.debian.org http://lists.alioth.debian.org/mailman/listinfo/pkg-multimedia-maintainers
Re: Jonas is now pkg-multimedia admin
On Wed, Jan 05, 2011 at 08:23:43PM -0300, Felipe Sateler wrote: On Wed, Jan 5, 2011 at 11:08, Jonas Smedegaard wrote: Then let me put it upside down: What extra responsibilities am I now burdenend with, compared to those not admins in this team? You can now accept other team members, and can edit the project page on alioth. I don't want to be superior to others just for the sake of it! If we keep this hierarchy without solid reasons for it, then please make me a peasant again! - Jonas -- * Jonas Smedegaard - idealist & Internet-arkitekt * Tlf.: +45 40843136 Website: http://dr.jones.dk/ [x] quote me freely [ ] ask before reusing [ ] keep private signature.asc Description: Digital signature ___ pkg-multimedia-maintainers mailing list pkg-multimedia-maintainers@lists.alioth.debian.org http://lists.alioth.debian.org/mailman/listinfo/pkg-multimedia-maintainers
Re: Jonas is now pkg-multimedia admin
On Wed, Jan 05, 2011 at 15:08:44 (CET), Jonas Smedegaard wrote: > On Wed, Jan 05, 2011 at 01:51:13PM +0100, Reinhard Tartler wrote: >>On Wed, Jan 05, 2011 at 12:55:04 (CET), Jonas Smedegaard wrote: >> >>> Are anyone else not admins? If so, I suggest either we decide on a >>> public policy on our reasoning for differentiating, or (preferrably) >>> have everyone be admins at Alioth: We do use distributed VCS for all >>> our work, so noone really can do much harm, I believe. >> >> I'd prefer to go with the principle of least priviledge, which means >> that admin status is only granted if someone requires or asks for >> it. I've noticed that you repond rather quickly to new introductions >> for prospective members, so having you as admin just makes sense to >> me. >> >> OTOH, I'd encourage everyone that currently has admin status to >> consider dropping it in case he doesn't require it. > > Then let me put it upside down: What extra responsibilities am I now > burdenend with, compared to those not admins in this team? Currently, I see (anyone feel free to correct me) - approving new applications after making sure that they are fit - editing the meta data of the alioth project > I would like us to be as equal as possible in this team. We are not > equal outside of the team (some of us have access to upload to Debian, > Ubuntu, Skolelinux or other places, some are rich, some get laid etc.) > but I fail to see the need for multiple access levels here in this team. Everyone in the team is allowed to welcome prospective members. Those that actively do so (properly) are granted admin priviledges. To my book, this makes all team members practically "equal". -- Gruesse/greetings, Reinhard Tartler, KeyID 945348A4 ___ pkg-multimedia-maintainers mailing list pkg-multimedia-maintainers@lists.alioth.debian.org http://lists.alioth.debian.org/mailman/listinfo/pkg-multimedia-maintainers
Re: Jonas is now pkg-multimedia admin
On Wed, Jan 5, 2011 at 11:08, Jonas Smedegaard wrote: > On Wed, Jan 05, 2011 at 01:51:13PM +0100, Reinhard Tartler wrote: >> >> On Wed, Jan 05, 2011 at 12:55:04 (CET), Jonas Smedegaard wrote: >> >>> Are anyone else not admins? If so, I suggest either we decide on a >>> public policy on our reasoning for differentiating, or (preferrably) have >>> everyone be admins at Alioth: We do use distributed VCS for all our work, so >>> noone really can do much harm, I believe. >> >> I'd prefer to go with the principle of least priviledge, which means that >> admin status is only granted if someone requires or asks for it. I've >> noticed that you repond rather quickly to new introductions for prospective >> members, so having you as admin just makes sense to me. >> >> OTOH, I'd encourage everyone that currently has admin status to consider >> dropping it in case he doesn't require it. > > Then let me put it upside down: What extra responsibilities am I now > burdenend with, compared to those not admins in this team? You can now accept other team members, and can edit the project page on alioth. > > > I would like us to be as equal as possible in this team. We are not equal > outside of the team (some of us have access to upload to Debian, Ubuntu, > Skolelinux or other places, some are rich, some get laid etc.) but I fail to > see the need for multiple access levels here in this team. > I don't really see the point either, but I don't really care. It's not like we use the alioth page for much stuff... I won't spend the time setting everyone to admin status, but I won't complain if somebody else does. BTW, if someone wants to do some MIA hunting on this team, it would be cool so that we can easily check out the active members of the team. -- Saludos, Felipe Sateler ___ pkg-multimedia-maintainers mailing list pkg-multimedia-maintainers@lists.alioth.debian.org http://lists.alioth.debian.org/mailman/listinfo/pkg-multimedia-maintainers
Re: Jonas is now pkg-multimedia admin
On Wed, Jan 05, 2011 at 01:51:13PM +0100, Reinhard Tartler wrote: On Wed, Jan 05, 2011 at 12:55:04 (CET), Jonas Smedegaard wrote: Are anyone else not admins? If so, I suggest either we decide on a public policy on our reasoning for differentiating, or (preferrably) have everyone be admins at Alioth: We do use distributed VCS for all our work, so noone really can do much harm, I believe. I'd prefer to go with the principle of least priviledge, which means that admin status is only granted if someone requires or asks for it. I've noticed that you repond rather quickly to new introductions for prospective members, so having you as admin just makes sense to me. OTOH, I'd encourage everyone that currently has admin status to consider dropping it in case he doesn't require it. Then let me put it upside down: What extra responsibilities am I now burdenend with, compared to those not admins in this team? I would like us to be as equal as possible in this team. We are not equal outside of the team (some of us have access to upload to Debian, Ubuntu, Skolelinux or other places, some are rich, some get laid etc.) but I fail to see the need for multiple access levels here in this team. - Jonas -- * Jonas Smedegaard - idealist & Internet-arkitekt * Tlf.: +45 40843136 Website: http://dr.jones.dk/ [x] quote me freely [ ] ask before reusing [ ] keep private signature.asc Description: Digital signature ___ pkg-multimedia-maintainers mailing list pkg-multimedia-maintainers@lists.alioth.debian.org http://lists.alioth.debian.org/mailman/listinfo/pkg-multimedia-maintainers
Re: Jonas is now pkg-multimedia admin
On Wed, Jan 05, 2011 at 12:55:04 (CET), Jonas Smedegaard wrote: > Are anyone else not admins? If so, I suggest either we decide on a > public policy on our reasoning for differentiating, or (preferrably) > have everyone be admins at Alioth: We do use distributed VCS for all our > work, so noone really can do much harm, I believe. I'd prefer to go with the principle of least priviledge, which means that admin status is only granted if someone requires or asks for it. I've noticed that you repond rather quickly to new introductions for prospective members, so having you as admin just makes sense to me. OTOH, I'd encourage everyone that currently has admin status to consider dropping it in case he doesn't require it. And oh yes, Happy New Year! :-) -- Gruesse/greetings, Reinhard Tartler, KeyID 945348A4 ___ pkg-multimedia-maintainers mailing list pkg-multimedia-maintainers@lists.alioth.debian.org http://lists.alioth.debian.org/mailman/listinfo/pkg-multimedia-maintainers
Re: Jonas is now pkg-multimedia admin
On Wed, Jan 05, 2011 at 10:04:03AM +0100, Reinhard Tartler wrote: I've just noticed that Jonas was previously not an pkg-multimedia admin. I've just promoted his status so that he can process new members himself now. :-) Cool! I am now considered trustworthy ;-) Are anyone else not admins? If so, I suggest either we decide on a public policy on our reasoning for differentiating, or (preferrably) have everyone be admins at Alioth: We do use distributed VCS for all our work, so noone really can do much harm, I believe. Kind regards, and happy new year to everyone, - Jonas -- * Jonas Smedegaard - idealist & Internet-arkitekt * Tlf.: +45 40843136 Website: http://dr.jones.dk/ [x] quote me freely [ ] ask before reusing [ ] keep private signature.asc Description: Digital signature ___ pkg-multimedia-maintainers mailing list pkg-multimedia-maintainers@lists.alioth.debian.org http://lists.alioth.debian.org/mailman/listinfo/pkg-multimedia-maintainers
