Re: Re: ScreenSaver and KDE Plasma 4.8?

2011-10-01 Thread Martin Gräßlin
On Saturday 01 October 2011 04:46:29 Markus Slopianka wrote: Is anybody aware of empiric studies for what (if at all) people use screensavers these days? Personally I'd expect clock, news headlines, and photo slideshows to be the top answers. QML replacements should be available for the

Re: ScreenSaver and KDE Plasma 4.8?

2011-10-01 Thread Marco Martin
On Saturday 01 October 2011, Markus Slopianka wrote: Is anybody aware of empiric studies for what (if at all) people use screensavers these days? Personally I'd expect clock, news headlines, and photo slideshows to be the top answers. QML replacements should be available for the top uses once

Re: ScreenSaver and KDE Plasma 4.8?

2011-10-01 Thread Martin Gräßlin
- Ursprüngliche Mitteilung - Am Thu, 29 Sep 2011 22:14:59 +0200 schrieb Martin Gräßlin mgraess...@kde.org: But when compositing is turned off, you currently get the plain old implementation including screen savers. And I don't want to change that code. Seconding Marco: Why?

Re: ScreenSaver and KDE Plasma 4.8?

2011-10-01 Thread Aaron J. Seigo
On Thursday, September 29, 2011 23:49:50 Kevin Kofler wrote: Martin Gräßlin wrote: * drop screensaver support altogether, probably would create some troubles as evil KDE removed screensavers * add Plasma widget support to new screen locker implementation but drop screensaver support (same

Re: ScreenSaver and KDE Plasma 4.8?

2011-10-01 Thread Markus Slopianka
On Samstag 01 Oktober 2011 10:52:04 Marco Martin wrote: that's what the support of plamoids on screensaver is for ;) I already understood that but as a screensaver (you know: to actually save screens from damage, incl. LCDs) a few additional features are required. At the very least, plasmoids

Re: ScreenSaver and KDE Plasma 4.8?

2011-10-01 Thread Markus Slopianka
On Samstag 01 Oktober 2011 12:36:12 Aaron J. Seigo wrote: we should also stress that if things like OpenGL screensavers are important enough to people, that support for things to draw moving things on screen when locked can be created anew. We already have KWin effects – even gimmicky ones

Re: ScreenSaver and KDE Plasma 4.8?

2011-10-01 Thread Markus Slopianka
On Samstag 01 Oktober 2011 14:10:39 Marco Martin wrote: for saving from damage, there is a thing called power saving :p Doesn't help the people who want a huge clock as screensaver without damaging their displays. It has to move. A Plasma containment whose widgets can float and bounce from

The future of Power Management - together with Activities

2011-10-01 Thread Dario Freddi
Hello all, and sorry for cross-posting. Me and Bjorn have been discussing extensively about how to improve the current situation with Power Management in KDE. We focused on simplicity, still without losing power-user features. And we have a plan I'd like to share and get some feedback on. The

Re: The future of Power Management - together with Activities

2011-10-01 Thread Alexander Neundorf
On Saturday 01 October 2011, Dario Freddi wrote: Hello all, and sorry for cross-posting. Me and Bjorn have been discussing extensively about how to improve the current situation with Power Management in KDE. We focused on simplicity, still without losing power-user features. And we have a

Re: The future of Power Management - together with Activities

2011-10-01 Thread Dario Freddi
On Saturday 01 October 2011 16:39:38 Alexander Neundorf wrote: Not sure about coupling them with activities... There are actually two other issues I have right now with the power management: Well, those are actually bugs, hence slightly OT. Anyway... 1) it has per-user settings. This

Re: The future of Power Management - together with Activities

2011-10-01 Thread Marco Martin
On Saturday 01 October 2011, Dario Freddi wrote: Hello all, and sorry for cross-posting. At the same time, the combobox for selecting a profile in the battery applet will be removed. It will, although, be replaced by a toggle button for inhibition: by enabling/disabling it, power management

Re: The future of Power Management - together with Activities

2011-10-01 Thread Dario Freddi
On Saturday 01 October 2011 16:55:54 Marco Martin wrote: On Saturday 01 October 2011, Dario Freddi wrote: Hello all, and sorry for cross-posting. At the same time, the combobox for selecting a profile in the battery applet will be removed. It will, although, be replaced by a toggle button

Re: The future of Power Management - together with Activities

2011-10-01 Thread Jeremy Whiting
On Sat, Oct 1, 2011 at 8:59 AM, Dario Freddi drf54...@gmail.com wrote: On Saturday 01 October 2011 16:55:54 Marco Martin wrote: On Saturday 01 October 2011, Dario Freddi wrote: Hello all, and sorry for cross-posting. At the same time, the combobox for selecting a profile in the battery

Re: The future of Power Management - together with Activities

2011-10-01 Thread Dario Freddi
On Saturday 01 October 2011 17:01:34 Jeremy Whiting wrote: Your use of the word activity here is referring to plasma activities? Or Activity is just the name of user-defined power profiles? Plasma activities -- --- Dario Freddi KDE Developer GPG Key Signature: 511A9A3B

Re: The future of Power Management - together with Activities

2011-10-01 Thread Marco Martin
On Saturday 01 October 2011, Dario Freddi wrote: this i guess would be a kind of presentation mode... would it still cover enough use cases? maybe together with activities could be enough, not 100% sure Well, covering all use cases is something I don't feel I can guarantee for anything

Re: The future of Power Management - together with Activities

2011-10-01 Thread Lukas
Hi, On 1 October 2011 17:59, plasma-devel-requ...@kde.org wrote: Message: 5 At the same time, the combobox for selecting a profile in the battery applet will be removed. It will, although, be replaced by a toggle button for inhibition: by enabling/disabling it, power management features

Re: The future of Power Management - together with Activities

2011-10-01 Thread Dario Freddi
On Saturday 01 October 2011 18:15:53 Lukas wrote: Hi, On 1 October 2011 17:59, plasma-devel-requ...@kde.org wrote: Message: 5 At the same time, the combobox for selecting a profile in the battery applet will be removed. It will, although, be replaced by a toggle button for

Re: ScreenSaver and KDE Plasma 4.8?

2011-10-01 Thread Kevin Kofler
Aaron J. Seigo wrote: unless we give them something better and communicate with understanding. Users will not accept your something better unless their favorite existing screensaver runs on it. No amount of communication can change that. (And please don't shoot the messenger! I don't even use

Re: The future of Power Management - together with Activities

2011-10-01 Thread Andras Mantia
On Saturday, October 01, 2011 16:27:48 Dario Freddi wrote: Hello all, and sorry for cross-posting. [...] I can't comment on activities, never used them, nor feel the need to use them. So this sounds more like the power management applet would force me to create and use activites. What I can

Re: The future of Power Management - together with Activities

2011-10-01 Thread Dario Freddi
On Saturday 01 October 2011 19:33:06 Andras Mantia wrote: On Saturday, October 01, 2011 16:27:48 Dario Freddi wrote: Hello all, and sorry for cross-posting. [...] I can't comment on activities, never used them, nor feel the need to use them. So this sounds more like the power

Re: The future of Power Management - together with Activities

2011-10-01 Thread Lukas
On 1 October 2011 21:36, plasma-devel-requ...@kde.org wrote: Something like having Power mode switch: [Performance] [Normal] [Battery stretch] where Normal is current static profile; Performance - temporary disables any limitations; Battery stretch - disables everything, that can

Re: The future of Power Management - together with Activities

2011-10-01 Thread Dario Freddi
On Saturday 01 October 2011 21:21:40 Andras Mantia wrote: [Please reply on both lists if you cross-posted, otherwise dicussion will be more fragmented. I just looked up the plasma list out of curiosity, normally I don't follow, so your mail would have been missed.] Dario Freddi wrote: I

Re: The future of Power Management - together with Activities

2011-10-01 Thread Dario Freddi
On Saturday 01 October 2011 23:41:42 Anders Lund wrote: On Lørdag den 1. oktober 2011, Scott Kitterman wrote: I don't understand how creating a new activity represents an improvement to the user. If I understand the proposal correctly the user will only use the power manager to change

Re: The future of Power Management - together with Activities

2011-10-01 Thread Kevin Kofler
Andras Mantia wrote: I don't like if software forces me to work in a certain way. And with activities I'm not alone. I'm happy without them, even if they are useful for others. Just as I'm mostly happy also without virtual desktops (which are a must for others). People are different, they have

Re: The future of Power Management - together with Activities

2011-10-01 Thread Kevin Kofler
Dario Freddi wrote: we plan to remove the Warning step Uhm, wait a minute… Do you mean you will just suspend or shut down the machine with no warning whatsoever? If that's really what you mean, to me, this sounds incredibly rude and might lead to data loss – especially if shut down is the

Re: ScreenSaver and KDE Plasma 4.8?

2011-10-01 Thread Kevin Kofler
Luca Beltrame wrote: After all, in the KDE Forums we don't see anymore people lamenting the lack of icons on desktop by default... Probably because the distros are not shipping 4.7 yet. (4.1 to 4.6 actually do show desktop icons by default, in a folder view widget which is set up by default.)