Re: Ayatana notifications for Plasma

2009-09-30 Thread Aaron J. Seigo
On September 30, 2009, Aurélien Gâteau wrote: Aaron J. Seigo wrote: On September 29, 2009, Aurélien Gâteau wrote: Keep in mind that the binary is started on demand, so it does not take any memory if you are not using it (assuming it would automatically stop itself after a while).

Re: Ayatana notifications for Plasma

2009-09-29 Thread Aurélien Gâteau
Sebastian Kügler wrote: Regarding implementing it as a separate applet: I don't think it would have been a good idea because you would have to either add a dumb icon to your panel so that you could run this system, or add an invisible applet (not handy for the user to manipulate). That's

Re: Ayatana notifications for Plasma

2009-09-29 Thread Aurélien Gâteau
Sebastian Kügler wrote: On Monday 28 September 2009 17:01:34 Roderick B. Greening wrote: I wonder if it would be worthwhile for Sebastian and Aurelien to get together and chat offline. I see some opportunity for clarification in a one-on-one via irc, etc. Not sure, it sounds like you

Re: Ayatana notifications for Plasma

2009-09-29 Thread Sebastian Kügler
On Tuesday 29 September 2009 10:34:19 Aurélien Gâteau wrote: Sebastian Kügler wrote: Regarding implementing it as a separate applet: I don't think it would have been a good idea because you would have to either add a dumb icon to your panel so that you could run this system, or add an

Re: Ayatana notifications for Plasma

2009-09-29 Thread Sebastian Kügler
Hey Aurélien, On Tuesday 29 September 2009 10:52:55 Aurélien Gâteau wrote: Sebastian Kügler wrote: On Monday 28 September 2009 17:01:34 Roderick B. Greening wrote: I wonder if it would be worthwhile for Sebastian and Aurelien to get together and chat offline. I see some opportunity for

Re: Ayatana notifications for Plasma

2009-09-29 Thread Aaron J. Seigo
On September 29, 2009, Aurélien Gâteau wrote: Keep in mind that the binary is started on demand, so it does not take any memory if you are not using it (assuming it would automatically stop itself after a while). Same goes for applets, dataengines... Can an applet unload itself from

Re: Ayatana notifications for Plasma

2009-09-28 Thread Aurélien Gâteau
Sebastian Kügler wrote: On Thursday 24 September 2009 09:16:25 Aurélien Gâteau wrote: Aaron J. Seigo wrote: On September 23, 2009, Aurélien Gâteau wrote: Aaron J. Seigo a écrit : On September 23, 2009, Marco Martin wrote: every other consideration aside, i feel that it would have been -far-

Re: Ayatana notifications for Plasma

2009-09-28 Thread Sebastian Kügler
On Monday 28 September 2009 15:03:05 Aurélien Gâteau wrote: Sebastian Kügler wrote: On Thursday 24 September 2009 09:16:25 Aurélien Gâteau wrote: Aaron J. Seigo wrote: On September 23, 2009, Aurélien Gâteau wrote: Aaron J. Seigo a écrit : On September 23, 2009, Marco Martin wrote:

Re: Ayatana notifications for Plasma

2009-09-28 Thread Roderick B. Greening
I wonder if it would be worthwhile for Sebastian and Aurelien to get together and chat offline. I see some opportunity for clarification in a one-on-one via irc, etc. I believe we had some great discussions at UDS and Sebastian was awesome at helping provide guidance to Aurelien at the time.

Re: Ayatana notifications for Plasma

2009-09-28 Thread Sebastian Kügler
On Monday 28 September 2009 17:01:34 Roderick B. Greening wrote: I wonder if it would be worthwhile for Sebastian and Aurelien to get together and chat offline. I see some opportunity for clarification in a one-on-one via irc, etc. Not sure, it sounds like you see personal issues between

Re: Ayatana notifications for Plasma

2009-09-28 Thread Roderick B. Greening
On Monday 28 September 2009 17:01:34 Roderick B. Greening wrote: I wonder if it would be worthwhile for Sebastian and Aurelien to get together and chat offline. I see some opportunity for clarification in a one-on-one via irc, etc. Not sure, it sounds like you see personal issues

Re: Ayatana notifications for Plasma

2009-09-25 Thread Sebastian Kügler
On Thursday 24 September 2009 09:16:25 Aurélien Gâteau wrote: Aaron J. Seigo wrote: On September 23, 2009, Aurélien Gâteau wrote: Aaron J. Seigo a écrit : On September 23, 2009, Marco Martin wrote: every other consideration aside, i feel that it would have been -far- easier to mantain

Ayatana notifications for Plasma

2009-09-23 Thread Aurélien Gâteau
Canonical on the subject of notifications. I decided to write this mail because I believe it is more correct to let you know about it in a more personal way rather than you discovering it in a blog post or a Kubuntu review. This work provides an implementation of Ayatana notifications for Plasma

Re: Ayatana notifications for Plasma

2009-09-23 Thread Roderick B. Greening
on the subject of notifications. I decided to write this mail because I believe it is more correct to let you know about it in a more personal way rather than you discovering it in a blog post or a Kubuntu review. This work provides an implementation of Ayatana notifications for Plasma (Ayatana

Re: Ayatana notifications for Plasma

2009-09-23 Thread Martin Gräßlin
is integrated in Kubuntu, the default behavior is to use KDE notifications. The user can switch to Ayatana notifications through an option of the system tray configuration dialog (there are even preview buttons to help the user decide). http://people.canonical.com/~agateau/plasma-ayatana-notifications

Re: Ayatana notifications for Plasma

2009-09-23 Thread Aurélien Gâteau
). http://people.canonical.com/~agateau/plasma-ayatana-notifications/configura tion.png Sorry have you ever considered how that looks to the user? Which user does know about Ayatana? That is a technical term which should not be presented in a UI. I was thinking just like you. My initial

Re: Ayatana notifications for Plasma

2009-09-23 Thread Dario Freddi
. This work provides an implementation of Ayatana notifications for Plasma (Ayatana is the name of a Canonical project to improve user experience on Ubuntu and derivatives). Ayatana notifications have the following characteristics: - Notifications are queued instead of stacked. This helps

Re: Ayatana notifications for Plasma

2009-09-23 Thread Martin Gräßlin
configuration dialog (there are even preview buttons to help the user decide). http://people.canonical.com/~agateau/plasma-ayatana-notifications/config ura tion.png Sorry have you ever considered how that looks to the user? Which user does know about Ayatana? That is a technical term which should

Re: Ayatana notifications for Plasma

2009-09-23 Thread Aurélien Gâteau
Martin Gräßlin wrote: Why should a user switch to something else than the KDE notifications? The dialog is completely missing any information on what the notifications provide, what's the difference between the two and in the end it will come down to the one provides different possible

Re: Ayatana notifications for Plasma

2009-09-23 Thread Martin Gräßlin
Am Mittwoch 23 September 2009 18:50:41 schrieb Aurélien Gâteau: Martin Gräßlin wrote: Why should a user switch to something else than the KDE notifications? The dialog is completely missing any information on what the notifications provide, what's the difference between the two and in the

Re: Ayatana notifications for Plasma

2009-09-23 Thread Aaron J. Seigo
On September 23, 2009, Dario Freddi wrote: presented as your initiative regardless of Ayatana. However, with Ayatana notifications user interaction is not possible, hence your previous patch was either an unfortunate wrong timing coincidence or strictly related. of course it is strictly

Re: Ayatana notifications for Plasma

2009-09-23 Thread Aurélien Gâteau
Dario Freddi wrote: I'd like a bit more clarity. The patch you posted about powerdevil was presented as your initiative regardless of Ayatana. However, with Ayatana notifications user interaction is not possible, hence your previous patch was either an unfortunate wrong timing coincidence

Re: Ayatana notifications for Plasma

2009-09-23 Thread Celeste Lyn Paul
On Wed, Sep 23, 2009 at 1:08 PM, Aaron J. Seigo ase...@kde.org wrote: On September 23, 2009, Dario Freddi wrote: presented as your initiative regardless of Ayatana. However, with Ayatana notifications user interaction is not possible, hence your previous patch  was either an unfortunate wrong

Re: Ayatana notifications for Plasma

2009-09-23 Thread Aurélien Gâteau
Aaron J. Seigo wrote: On September 23, 2009, Dario Freddi wrote: presented as your initiative regardless of Ayatana. However, with Ayatana notifications user interaction is not possible, hence your previous patch was either an unfortunate wrong timing coincidence or strictly related. of

Re: Ayatana notifications for Plasma

2009-09-23 Thread Marco Martin
an implementation of Ayatana notifications for Plasma (Ayatana is the name of a Canonical project to improve user experience on Ubuntu and derivatives). Ayatana notifications have the following characteristics: every other consideration aside, i feel that it would have been -far- easier

Re: Ayatana notifications for Plasma

2009-09-23 Thread Aaron J. Seigo
On September 23, 2009, Aurélien Gâteau wrote: Aaron J. Seigo wrote: before this gets carried forward into a big thread on this list, it has been made very clear that Canonical is intent on following through on these ideas as they are. it is an insular project without outside

Re: Ayatana notifications for Plasma

2009-09-23 Thread Aaron J. Seigo
On September 23, 2009, Marco Martin wrote: every other consideration aside, i feel that it would have been -far- easier to mantain if the systray patch just consisted in notifications disabling and provide a totally separate daemon for that kind of notifications unless i'm misremembering

Re: Ayatana notifications for Plasma

2009-09-23 Thread Aurélien Gâteau
Aaron J. Seigo a écrit : On September 23, 2009, Marco Martin wrote: every other consideration aside, i feel that it would have been -far- easier to mantain if the systray patch just consisted in notifications disabling and provide a totally separate daemon for that kind of notifications

Re: Ayatana notifications for Plasma

2009-09-23 Thread Aaron J. Seigo
On September 23, 2009, Aurélien Gâteau wrote: Aaron J. Seigo a écrit : On September 23, 2009, Marco Martin wrote: every other consideration aside, i feel that it would have been -far- easier to mantain if the systray patch just consisted in notifications disabling and provide a totally