Re: [PLUG] Third Sunday clinic

2017-01-14 Thread Fillard Spring-Rhyne 
On Jan 14, 2017, at 7:12 PM, wes  wrote:

> I plan to be there for at least the beginning. if no one else shows up, I may 
> leave early.


On Jan 14, 2017, at 7:42 PM, John Jason Jordan  wrote:

> I am planning on being there also, although I will have to rely on TriMet. 
> All the streets in my area are sheets of glazed packed snow and my only 
> vehicle is a pickup - the worst possible vehicle in snow.



Great, thanks in advance for your help!  I'll be there are 1:00.

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[PLUG] What certifications to take?

2017-01-14 Thread Mike C. 
>
> 'Folks,
> I am being offered some grants to obtain certifications. I am a field
> service person by job. I am looking at the different certifications for
> networking
> and IT, figured I would ask here what would be good for me to aim for.
>
> In the type of work I do, I deal with network issues, computer
> configuration and communication with other networked devices (PLC's and
> other devices).
>
> I see field service jobs that require certifications, so figured I would
> ask what I should try to get first in order to have something that will
> cover most
> of what I do. Then if I need others perhaps I can obtain them later on.
>
> I have needed to obtain certification, but field service does not allow you
> to set in one place long enough, I am between jobs so I have a chance to
> do so and
> it will be paid for by someone else.
>

I think a relavent question here is what kinda of work, problems, projects
interest you?

There are a plethora of certifications to choose from. Based on the
desciription of the work you do, I can think of 3 of the top of my head
that are applicable: A+, Network+, low voltage cabling. CompTIA is a good
place to start, https://certification.comptia.org/certifications

I got A+ certified in '99 and I'm thinking about going through it again as
the hardware has evolved exponentially and is far more advanced and
complicated these days.

Also, Dell has completely taken over the server market and recently aquired
EMC, the storage giant.
http://www.dell.com/en-us/work/learn/dell-certification

I hope that's helpful.

Cheers,

MIke
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Re: [PLUG] My Firefox 50.1.0 hack

2017-01-14 Thread Tim Abraldes 
On Sat, Jan 14, 2017 at 9:26 PM, Denis Heidtmann 
wrote:

> Is there anybody here who is willing to explain (to a novice) how this is
> possible?  I too have encountered a similar behavior, but was fortunate
> enough to not have any tabs I needed to save.  I believe when I had the
> problem I was running Chrome.
>

I'm not a detective of any sort, but I know a little bit about web
development. Below is my analysis after looking at the source for the page
in the original post:
  The browser has a handful of window-modal dialogs that restrict you from
interacting with anything (e.g. other tabs) before you respond to the
dialog. One of them is window.confirm [1] which this page makes heavy use
of. They set up window.confirm calls to happen whenever the mouse moves
(per the mousemove event [3]) and also on a timer, using window.setInterval
[4]. They also use the beforeunload event [2] to try to stop you from
leaving the page or closing the tab.

[1] https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Web/API/Window/confirm
[2] https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Web/Events/beforeunload
[3] https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Web/Events/mousemove
[4]
https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Web/API/WindowOrWorkerGlobalScope/setInterval
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Re: [PLUG] My Firefox 50.1.0 hack

2017-01-14 Thread Tim Abraldes 
The best course of action is probably to report the site with Google's Safe
Browsing Service:
 https://safebrowsing.google.com/safebrowsing/report_badware/?hl=en

Firefox uses Google's Safe Browsing Service [1] so reporting there will
also help Firefox users.

Ideally you would also file a bug with Firefox so that the developers can
examine the page and take appropriate action:
 https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/


[1]
https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/kb/how-does-phishing-and-malware-protection-work#w_how-does-phishing-and-malware-protection-work-in-firefox


On Sat, Jan 14, 2017 at 1:42 PM, John Jason Jordan  wrote:

> Firefox 50.1.0 on Xubuntu 14.04 up to date.
>
> I clicked on a link that took me to wik.galert.info (DON'T GO THERE!).
> This page pops up a little window warning me that authentication is
> required, and the window claims that there is a virus that is sending
> my credit card, etc., and that this notice is from Microsoft
> (including Microsoft logos on the page). Naturally, I'm not so stupid
> that I would respond to what is surely phishing. However, I haven't
> found a way to close the popup window or the tab. I shut down Firefox
> and then restarted it, but at the time I had several windows open, each
> with numerous tabs, so to restore my session I clicked on History >
> Restore previous session. This brought back the offending tab and its
> popup window. There is also a long repeating audio message "critical
> alert from Microsoft." And the mouse is disabled everywhere on Firefox.
>
> What is interesting is that this window and the tab cannot be closed.
> In fact, I cannot close any of the tabs in any of the windows. But I
> was able to bookmark each tab, so I could shut down Firefox and then
> recreate my windows and tabs, except the offending tab, of course.
>
> I have never had an experience like this. I am curious how they hacked
> Firefox so the user cannot close tabs or popups.
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Re: [PLUG] Needed: Modern equivalent of a "null-modem cable"

2017-01-14 Thread wes 
>
>
> As to "You will then need appropriate file sharing configurations
> that will work cross platform." That was one of the reasons I
> wasn't going to object to WinXP unilaterly declaring itself Host.
> I was expecting "reasonable" error messages that would trigger
> the response "Knew I should have ...".
>
>
I use filezilla on windows, both for client and server functions.

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Re: [PLUG] My Firefox 50.1.0 hack

2017-01-14 Thread Denis Heidtmann 
Is there anybody here who is willing to explain (to a novice) how this is
possible?  I too have encountered a similar behavior, but was fortunate
enough to not have any tabs I needed to save.  I believe when I had the
problem I was running Chrome.

Thanks,
-Denis

On Sat, Jan 14, 2017 at 1:42 PM, John Jason Jordan  wrote:

> Firefox 50.1.0 on Xubuntu 14.04 up to date.
>
> I clicked on a link that took me to wik.galert.info (DON'T GO THERE!).
> This page pops up a little window warning me that authentication is
> required, and the window claims that there is a virus that is sending
> my credit card, etc., and that this notice is from Microsoft
> (including Microsoft logos on the page). Naturally, I'm not so stupid
> that I would respond to what is surely phishing. However, I haven't
> found a way to close the popup window or the tab. I shut down Firefox
> and then restarted it, but at the time I had several windows open, each
> with numerous tabs, so to restore my session I clicked on History >
> Restore previous session. This brought back the offending tab and its
> popup window. There is also a long repeating audio message "critical
> alert from Microsoft." And the mouse is disabled everywhere on Firefox.
>
> What is interesting is that this window and the tab cannot be closed.
> In fact, I cannot close any of the tabs in any of the windows. But I
> was able to bookmark each tab, so I could shut down Firefox and then
> recreate my windows and tabs, except the offending tab, of course.
>
> I have never had an experience like this. I am curious how they hacked
> Firefox so the user cannot close tabs or popups.
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Re: [PLUG] Needed: Modern equivalent of a "null-modem cable"

2017-01-14 Thread Richard Owlett 
On 1/14/2017 3:58 PM, Rich Shepard wrote:
> On Sat, 14 Jan 2017, Michael Barnes wrote:
>
>> What you want is known as a crossover cable. Technically, it is an
>> ethernet cable wired as T568A on one end and T568B on the other. Most
>> anyplace that carries computer stuff should have one. (Not counting
>> Walmart, Fred Meyer, etc.) If you have the ability/desire to make your
>> own, a Google search for "crossover cable" will yield a plethora of
>> diagrams and instructions. You will need to configure your devices for
>> static IP addresses in the same subnet, i.e. 192.168.1.1 and 192.168.1.2.
>> You will then need appropriate file sharing configurations that will work
>> cross platform.
>
> Just to confuse Richard more, he can copy files from one system to a USB
> flash drive or esternal hard drive, then copy from that external medium to
> the second system. The modern sneaker net. Guaranteed to work. :-)
>

*ROFL* [I.E. the Richter 279 event just occurred in S.W. MO ;]
My phraseology of original post was intended to preclude any 
mention of WiFi &/or USB anything.
The antique at this keyboard hails from days when both 20 and 40 
mA current loops were used when environment to noisy for RS232C.

Actually, Michael 's reply did provide one piece of needed 
information. I had forgotten what were the typical IP addresses used.
Referring to man pages and related tutorials re ifconfig was 
premature. One of the reasons I was avoiding WiFi is too many 
details are handled silently for one to learn anything.

As to "You will then need appropriate file sharing configurations 
that will work cross platform." That was one of the reasons I 
wasn't going to object to WinXP unilaterly declaring itself Host. 
I was expecting "reasonable" error messages that would trigger 
the response "Knew I should have ...".

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Re: [PLUG] Needed: Modern equivalent of a "null-modem cable"

2017-01-14 Thread Russell Senior 
> "Richard" == Richard Owlett  writes:

Richard> I suspect what I'm looking for is ONE 3 ft piece of terminated
Richard> Cat6 cable ;) I have two laptops - one (a Lenovo T43) speaks
Richard> only WinXP Pro, the other (a Lenovo T430) only Debian Jessie.

You do *not* need a crossover cable.  The T430 *certainly* (as in no
doubt whatsoever) does auto-discovery of rx and tx.

You will, however, need non-colliding IP addresses before TCP or UDP
connections between the two computers will work.

Most distributions will come with ethernet expecting dynamic
configuration using DHCP. This is typically provided using a wireless
router or some-such device.  Since you reject that solution, the most
direct thing to do is to assign static IP addresses using whatever
mechanism is well adapted to your distribution.  On debian, this is
probably /etc/network/interfaces.



The addresses should be something like 192.168.1.n/24 and
192.168.1.m/24, respectively, where n and m are positive integers, n
is not equal to m, and n<255 and m<255.  The netmask for a /24 network
is 255.255.255.0.

The /etc/network/interfaces stanza would look like this:

auto eth0
iface eth0 inet static
address 192.168.1.2
netmask 255.255.255.0
network 192.168.1.0
broadcast 192.168.1.255

where in this case n = 2.  Then, say: "ifup eth0" and then check the
configuration with "ip a" or "ifconfig -a".

Good luck!


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Re: [PLUG] Clinic

2017-01-14 Thread John Jason Jordan 
On Sat, 14 Jan 2017 14:56:38 -0800
wes  dijo:

>I intend to be there for at least the first hour or so. if no one
>shows up, I may leave. if anyone seeing this does plan to show, please
>reply so I know to wait for you.

I am planning on being there also, although I will have to rely on
TriMet. All the streets in my area are sheets of glazed packed snow and
my only vehicle is a pickup - the worst possible vehicle in snow.
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Re: [PLUG] My Firefox 50.1.0 hack

2017-01-14 Thread John Jason Jordan 
On Sat, 14 Jan 2017 13:55:53 -0800
Randy Stapilus  dijo:

>I've encountered something similar a couple of times, and solved it by
>shutting down the browser process in System Monitor. Might that work,
>or did you already try it?

The only control I had was to shut Firefox down completely, plus I
could select tabs and bookmark them, although I could not close any
tabs. So I bookmarked every single tab, shut down Firefox, and then
restarted it with out letting it restore the previous session. Then I
opened the same number of windows that I had open before and populated
them with tabs from the bookmarks.

This solved my problem, but I'm sort of amazed that someone could write
a web page that could do this to a user. If hackers can do this then
Firefox needs to work on their security.
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Re: [PLUG] Third Sunday clinic

2017-01-14 Thread wes 
I plan to be there for at least the beginning. if no one else shows up, I
may leave early.

-wes

On Sat, Jan 14, 2017 at 6:59 PM, Fillard Spring-Rhyne <
fspringrh...@hevanet.com> wrote:

> Is PLUG holding its third Sunday clinic as scheduled tomorrow, from
> 1:00-5:00pm at Free Geek?
>
> Thank you!
>
> Fillard
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[PLUG] Third Sunday clinic

2017-01-14 Thread Fillard Spring-Rhyne 
Is PLUG holding its third Sunday clinic as scheduled tomorrow, from 1:00-5:00pm 
at Free Geek?

Thank you!

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Re: [PLUG] Needed: Modern equivalent of a "null-modem cable"

2017-01-14 Thread Jim Garrison 
Almost all adapters made in the past 5 years or so will support
Auto-MDIX (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Medium-dependent_interface)
GB Ethernet does not need Auto-MDIX except when communicating with
a 10MB or 100MB adapter.

Take a standard Ethernet cable and plug the two systems together.
If the lights on both adapters turn on, you do not need a
crossover cable.


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Re: [PLUG] Clinic

2017-01-14 Thread wes 
On Sat, Jan 14, 2017 at 11:35 AM, Rich Shepard 
wrote:

> On Sat, 14 Jan 2017, John Jason Jordan wrote:
>
> > I just realized that tomorrow is the third Sunday of January. According
> to
> > the weather people the snow is not going to melt until Monday night.
> >
> > Comments?
>
>Cancel. Don't know about Portland streets but here in east county
> (Troutdale, Gresham, etc.) they're quite slippery with packed snow.
>
>Currently 21F with 27mph winds and gusts to 39mph; wind chill makes
> temperature feel like 1-3F this morning. Nothing's melted or ablated since
> Wednesday.
>
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I intend to be there for at least the first hour or so. if no one shows up,
I may leave. if anyone seeing this does plan to show, please reply so I
know to wait for you.

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Re: [PLUG] Needed: Modern equivalent of a "null-modem cable"

2017-01-14 Thread wes 
all you need to do is set an IP address on each system. use your google-fu
to find out how to do this in the OS running on each of those systems. for
example:

https://www.google.com/#safe=off=how+to+set+an+ip+address+on+windows+xp

https://www.google.com/#safe=off=how+to+set+an+ip+address+on+debian

the IP addresses should not be the same on both systems, but they should
have the same first 3 sets of numbers. for example:

192.168.1.2
192.168.1.3

-wes

On Sat, Jan 14, 2017 at 6:53 AM, Richard Owlett  wrote:

> I suspect what I'm looking for is ONE 3 ft piece of terminated
> Cat6 cable ;)
> I have two laptops - one (a Lenovo T43) speaks only WinXP Pro,
> the other (a Lenovo T430) only Debian Jessie.
> Sometime back I attempted to have them communicate via ethernet -
> hence the availability of the Cat6 cable. As far as I got was
> both sides recognized that electrically the other existed.
> My LAN knowledge is ~= "null set".
> My non-productive web search turned up only references that
> PRESUMED the goal was connecting a multiplicity of devices. I
> could not sift the wheat from the chaff.
> At power on the WinXP reports as a unconnected ethernet Host.
> If it wants to be top dog, so be it.
> My goal is to transfer some large data files from the WinXP box
> to the Debian box.
> Can someone point me to appropriate educational material that is
> focused on connecting EXACTLY two computers by exactly one piece
> of cable.
> There shall be ABSOLUTELY no mention of hubs, routers, switches, etc.
> Gee, any hint I'm frustrated ;/
> TIA
>
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Re: [PLUG] Needed: Modern equivalent of a "null-modem cable"

2017-01-14 Thread Rich Shepard 
On Sat, 14 Jan 2017, Michael Barnes wrote:

> What you want is known as a crossover cable. Technically, it is an
> ethernet cable wired as T568A on one end and T568B on the other. Most
> anyplace that carries computer stuff should have one. (Not counting
> Walmart, Fred Meyer, etc.) If you have the ability/desire to make your
> own, a Google search for "crossover cable" will yield a plethora of
> diagrams and instructions. You will need to configure your devices for
> static IP addresses in the same subnet, i.e. 192.168.1.1 and 192.168.1.2.
> You will then need appropriate file sharing configurations that will work
> cross platform.

   Just to confuse Richard more, he can copy files from one system to a USB
flash drive or esternal hard drive, then copy from that external medium to
the second system. The modern sneaker net. Guaranteed to work. :-)

Rich

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Re: [PLUG] My Firefox 50.1.0 hack

2017-01-14 Thread Randy Stapilus 
I've encountered something similar a couple of times, and solved it by
shutting down the browser process in System Monitor. Might that work, or
did you already try it?

Randy Stapilus
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On Sat, Jan 14, 2017 at 1:42 PM, John Jason Jordan  wrote:

> Firefox 50.1.0 on Xubuntu 14.04 up to date.
>
> I clicked on a link that took me to wik.galert.info (DON'T GO THERE!).
> This page pops up a little window warning me that authentication is
> required, and the window claims that there is a virus that is sending
> my credit card, etc., and that this notice is from Microsoft
> (including Microsoft logos on the page). Naturally, I'm not so stupid
> that I would respond to what is surely phishing. However, I haven't
> found a way to close the popup window or the tab. I shut down Firefox
> and then restarted it, but at the time I had several windows open, each
> with numerous tabs, so to restore my session I clicked on History >
> Restore previous session. This brought back the offending tab and its
> popup window. There is also a long repeating audio message "critical
> alert from Microsoft." And the mouse is disabled everywhere on Firefox.
>
> What is interesting is that this window and the tab cannot be closed.
> In fact, I cannot close any of the tabs in any of the windows. But I
> was able to bookmark each tab, so I could shut down Firefox and then
> recreate my windows and tabs, except the offending tab, of course.
>
> I have never had an experience like this. I am curious how they hacked
> Firefox so the user cannot close tabs or popups.
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[PLUG] My Firefox 50.1.0 hack

2017-01-14 Thread John Jason Jordan 
Firefox 50.1.0 on Xubuntu 14.04 up to date. 

I clicked on a link that took me to wik.galert.info (DON'T GO THERE!).
This page pops up a little window warning me that authentication is
required, and the window claims that there is a virus that is sending
my credit card, etc., and that this notice is from Microsoft
(including Microsoft logos on the page). Naturally, I'm not so stupid
that I would respond to what is surely phishing. However, I haven't
found a way to close the popup window or the tab. I shut down Firefox
and then restarted it, but at the time I had several windows open, each
with numerous tabs, so to restore my session I clicked on History >
Restore previous session. This brought back the offending tab and its
popup window. There is also a long repeating audio message "critical
alert from Microsoft." And the mouse is disabled everywhere on Firefox.

What is interesting is that this window and the tab cannot be closed.
In fact, I cannot close any of the tabs in any of the windows. But I
was able to bookmark each tab, so I could shut down Firefox and then
recreate my windows and tabs, except the offending tab, of course.

I have never had an experience like this. I am curious how they hacked
Firefox so the user cannot close tabs or popups.
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Re: [PLUG] Needed: Modern equivalent of a "null-modem cable"

2017-01-14 Thread Michael Barnes 
What you want is known as a crossover cable. Technically, it is an ethernet
cable wired as T568A on one end and T568B on the other. Most anyplace that
carries computer stuff should have one. (Not counting Walmart, Fred Meyer,
etc.) If you have the ability/desire to make your own, a Google search for
"crossover cable" will yield a plethora of diagrams and instructions. You
will need to configure your devices for static IP addresses in the same
subnet, i.e. 192.168.1.1 and 192.168.1.2. You will then need appropriate
file sharing configurations that will work cross platform.

HTH,
Michael


On Jan 14, 2017 06:56, "Richard Owlett"  wrote:

> I suspect what I'm looking for is ONE 3 ft piece of terminated
> Cat6 cable ;)
> I have two laptops - one (a Lenovo T43) speaks only WinXP Pro,
> the other (a Lenovo T430) only Debian Jessie.
> Sometime back I attempted to have them communicate via ethernet -
> hence the availability of the Cat6 cable. As far as I got was
> both sides recognized that electrically the other existed.
> My LAN knowledge is ~= "null set".
> My non-productive web search turned up only references that
> PRESUMED the goal was connecting a multiplicity of devices. I
> could not sift the wheat from the chaff.
> At power on the WinXP reports as a unconnected ethernet Host.
> If it wants to be top dog, so be it.
> My goal is to transfer some large data files from the WinXP box
> to the Debian box.
> Can someone point me to appropriate educational material that is
> focused on connecting EXACTLY two computers by exactly one piece
> of cable.
> There shall be ABSOLUTELY no mention of hubs, routers, switches, etc.
> Gee, any hint I'm frustrated ;/
> TIA
>
>
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Re: [PLUG] Clinic

2017-01-14 Thread Rich Shepard 
On Sat, 14 Jan 2017, John Jason Jordan wrote:

> I just realized that tomorrow is the third Sunday of January. According to
> the weather people the snow is not going to melt until Monday night.
>
> Comments?

   Cancel. Don't know about Portland streets but here in east county
(Troutdale, Gresham, etc.) they're quite slippery with packed snow.

   Currently 21F with 27mph winds and gusts to 39mph; wind chill makes
temperature feel like 1-3F this morning. Nothing's melted or ablated since
Wednesday.

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Re: [PLUG] Identifying network interfaces and their status

2017-01-14 Thread Rich Shepard 
On Sat, 14 Jan 2017, Mike C. wrote:

> FWIW, ifconfig is deprecated and replace by the ip command. IP has all the
> same functionality as ifconfig plus more.

> https://www.linux.com/learn/replacing-ifconfig-ip

Mike,

   Interesting and good to know.

Thanks,

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Re: [PLUG] Identifying network interfaces and their status

2017-01-14 Thread Mike C. 
On Sat, Jan 14, 2017 at 11:21 AM, Mike C.  wrote:

> All this information is available when, as root, you issue the command
>> ifconfig -a (the -a option shows all network interfaces and their status).
>> The man page explains it.
>>
>> Rich
>>
>
> FWIW, ifconfig is deprecated and replace by the ip command. IP has all the
> same functionality as ifconfig plus more.
>
> https://www.linux.com/learn/replacing-ifconfig-ip
>
> Cheers!
>

   Mike
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Re: [PLUG] PLUG Digest, Vol 148, Issue 14

2017-01-14 Thread Mike C. 
>
> All this information is available when, as root, you issue the command
> ifconfig -a (the -a option shows all network interfaces and their status).
> The man page explains it.
>
> Rich
>

FWIW, ifconfig is deprecated and replace by the ip command. IP has all the
same functionality as ifconfig plus more.

https://www.linux.com/learn/replacing-ifconfig-ip

Cheers!

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Re: [PLUG] Clinic

2017-01-14 Thread alan 

> I just realized that tomorrow is the third Sunday of January. According
> to the weather people the snow is not going to melt until Monday night.
>
> Comments?

The buses are running. Hard to transport hardware that way though.

perl -pe 's/^\s+//g' *.py

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[PLUG] Clinic

2017-01-14 Thread John Jason Jordan 
I just realized that tomorrow is the third Sunday of January. According
to the weather people the snow is not going to melt until Monday night.

Comments?
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Re: [PLUG] Identifying network interfaces and their status

2017-01-14 Thread alan 

> On 1/14/2017 10:07 AM, Rich Shepard wrote:
>> I deleted Richard's message and cannot respond in that thread to his
>> question of what network interfaces are available on his portables.
>>
>> All this information is available when, as root, you issue the
>> command
>> ifconfig -a (the -a option shows all network interfaces and their
>> status).
>> The man page explains it.
>>
>> Rich
>
> Ahh, I've been deleted ;{
> The man page for ifconfig and a brief web search for ifconfig
> tutorials hint that I've now the required pointers. That does
> assume the WinXP Help system cooperates for information on that end.
> At the moment, it's lunch time.
> Thank you.

ethtool is also very handy.

perl -pe 's/^\s+//g' *.py

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Re: [PLUG] Identifying network interfaces and their status

2017-01-14 Thread Richard Owlett 
On 1/14/2017 10:07 AM, Rich Shepard wrote:
> I deleted Richard's message and cannot respond in that thread to his
> question of what network interfaces are available on his portables.
>
> All this information is available when, as root, you issue the command
> ifconfig -a (the -a option shows all network interfaces and their status).
> The man page explains it.
>
> Rich

Ahh, I've been deleted ;{
The man page for ifconfig and a brief web search for ifconfig 
tutorials hint that I've now the required pointers. That does 
assume the WinXP Help system cooperates for information on that end.
At the moment, it's lunch time.
Thank you.


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[PLUG] GNOME lanaguage-selector: filing a PR or bug

2017-01-14 Thread MJang 
Hi, 

In my Ui Text research, I've been looking through the UI Text for the
language-selector. The popups are filled with walls of text, which I
think can be simplified.

(The walls of text remind me of the BSOD.)

I've tried looking for a GH repo through GNOME, specifically https://gi
t.gnome.org/browse/

I've tried looking through the GNOME bugzilla without success.

Someone from China has forked the language-selector-im-config repo in
GitHub, but without docs or any link back to GNOME.

Anyone here know more about contributing to GNOME, or the specifc
project associated with language-selector-gnome (or language-selector-
common)?

(Complaint: It should not be this difficult to figure out how to
contribute to an open source project. GitHub has made it easier for so
many other open source projects.)

Thanks,
Mike
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[PLUG] Identifying network interfaces and their status

2017-01-14 Thread Rich Shepard 
   I deleted Richard's message and cannot respond in that thread to his
question of what network interfaces are available on his portables.

   All this information is available when, as root, you issue the command
ifconfig -a (the -a option shows all network interfaces and their status).
The man page explains it.

Rich
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Re: [PLUG] Needed: Modern equivalent of a "null-modem cable"

2017-01-14 Thread Richard Owlett 
On 1/14/2017 9:04 AM, bro...@netgate.net wrote:
>
> With modern tech a simple enet cable and a bit of network config should do
> it.

Ah the devil be in the details.
I need a simple minded tutorial. The references found last time 
were to focused on being the ultimate solution for the most 
complex case. Not suitable for newbie.

> But your old Lenovo T43 may need what is known as a crossover cable.


Last time around I thought I had determined such was not required.
Don't know what reference I used and could be in error.

For the T43 https://www.cnet.com/products/thinkpad-t43/specs/ states
Communications/ Wired Protocol   Gigabit Ethernet
Interfaces/ 1 x network - Ethernet 
10Base-T/100Base-TX/1000Base-T - RJ-45
Data Link Protocol/ Ethernet, Fast Ethernet, Gigabit Ethernet

Similarly 
https://www.cnet.com/products/lenovo-thinkpad-t430/specs/ states
Communications/ Wired Protocol Gigabit Ethernet
Data Link Protocol/ Ethernet, Fast Ethernet, Gigabit Ethernet
Ethernet Controller(s)  Intel 82579LM

The Lenovo specification pages are useless, saying only that 
Ethernet exists.

How do I determine what I have?

> You can probably pick one up from Frys.
As Mr. Wescott would say "Richard has a long commute.  He lives 
out past Estacada, even."
Specifically S.W. Missouri where cattle and hogs outnumber people.
The local Staples is a reasonably good source.

>
> On Sat, 14 Jan 2017, Richard Owlett wrote:
>
>> I suspect what I'm looking for is ONE 3 ft piece of terminated
>> Cat6 cable ;)
>> I have two laptops - one (a Lenovo T43) speaks only WinXP Pro,
>> the other (a Lenovo T430) only Debian Jessie.
>> Sometime back I attempted to have them communicate via ethernet -
>> hence the availability of the Cat6 cable. As far as I got was
>> both sides recognized that electrically the other existed.
>> My LAN knowledge is ~= "null set".
>> My non-productive web search turned up only references that
>> PRESUMED the goal was connecting a multiplicity of devices. I
>> could not sift the wheat from the chaff.
>> At power on the WinXP reports as a unconnected ethernet Host.
>> If it wants to be top dog, so be it.
>> My goal is to transfer some large data files from the WinXP box
>> to the Debian box.
>> Can someone point me to appropriate educational material that is
>> focused on connecting EXACTLY two computers by exactly one piece
>> of cable.
>> There shall be ABSOLUTELY no mention of hubs, routers, switches, etc.
>> Gee, any hint I'm frustrated ;/
>> TIA
>>

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Re: [PLUG] Needed: Modern equivalent of a "null-modem cable"

2017-01-14 Thread Robert Citek 
They both have wifi[1.2]. Have them both connect to your wireless
access point and they should both be able to talk to each other.

But if you do want a direct connection, use a regular patch cable
between them and manually assign each their own IP.  Both of those
systems have GigE NICs [1,2].

"Gigabit and faster Ethernet links over twisted pair cable use all
four cable pairs for simultaneous transmission in both directions. For
this reason, there are no dedicated transmit and receive pairs, and
consequently, crossover cables are never required for 1000BASE-T
communication."[3]

Good luck and let us know how it goes.

[1] https://www.cnet.com/products/thinkpad-t43/specs/
[2] https://www.cnet.com/products/lenovo-thinkpad-t430/specs/
[3] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Medium-dependent_interface#Auto_MDI-X

Regards,
- Robert

On Sat, Jan 14, 2017 at 6:53 AM, Richard Owlett  wrote:
> I suspect what I'm looking for is ONE 3 ft piece of terminated
> Cat6 cable ;)
> I have two laptops - one (a Lenovo T43) speaks only WinXP Pro,
> the other (a Lenovo T430) only Debian Jessie.
> Sometime back I attempted to have them communicate via ethernet -
> hence the availability of the Cat6 cable. As far as I got was
> both sides recognized that electrically the other existed.
> My LAN knowledge is ~= "null set".
> My non-productive web search turned up only references that
> PRESUMED the goal was connecting a multiplicity of devices. I
> could not sift the wheat from the chaff.
> At power on the WinXP reports as a unconnected ethernet Host.
> If it wants to be top dog, so be it.
> My goal is to transfer some large data files from the WinXP box
> to the Debian box.
> Can someone point me to appropriate educational material that is
> focused on connecting EXACTLY two computers by exactly one piece
> of cable.
> There shall be ABSOLUTELY no mention of hubs, routers, switches, etc.
> Gee, any hint I'm frustrated ;/
> TIA
>
>
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Re: [PLUG] Needed: Modern equivalent of a "null-modem cable"

2017-01-14 Thread brooks 

>   Don't think there's a Frys way out there. But, a crossover cable
> (frequenly colored orange) should be available at a computer supplier's.

If that's the case it might be easier to borrow a little hub/switch and 2 
enet cables from someone to do the xfers.
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Re: [PLUG] Needed: Modern equivalent of a "null-modem cable"

2017-01-14 Thread Rich Shepard 
On Sat, 14 Jan 2017, bro...@netgate.net wrote:

> With modern tech a simple enet cable and a bit of network config should do
> it. But your old Lenovo T43 may need what is known as a crossover cable.
> You can probably pick one up from Frys.

   Don't think there's a Frys way out there. But, a crossover cable
(frequenly colored orange) should be available at a computer supplier's.

Rich
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Re: [PLUG] Needed: Modern equivalent of a "null-modem cable"

2017-01-14 Thread brooks 

With modern tech a simple enet cable and a bit of network config should do 
it. But your old Lenovo T43 may need what is known as a crossover cable. 
You can probably pick one up from Frys.

On Sat, 14 Jan 2017, Richard Owlett wrote:

> I suspect what I'm looking for is ONE 3 ft piece of terminated
> Cat6 cable ;)
> I have two laptops - one (a Lenovo T43) speaks only WinXP Pro,
> the other (a Lenovo T430) only Debian Jessie.
> Sometime back I attempted to have them communicate via ethernet -
> hence the availability of the Cat6 cable. As far as I got was
> both sides recognized that electrically the other existed.
> My LAN knowledge is ~= "null set".
> My non-productive web search turned up only references that
> PRESUMED the goal was connecting a multiplicity of devices. I
> could not sift the wheat from the chaff.
> At power on the WinXP reports as a unconnected ethernet Host.
> If it wants to be top dog, so be it.
> My goal is to transfer some large data files from the WinXP box
> to the Debian box.
> Can someone point me to appropriate educational material that is
> focused on connecting EXACTLY two computers by exactly one piece
> of cable.
> There shall be ABSOLUTELY no mention of hubs, routers, switches, etc.
> Gee, any hint I'm frustrated ;/
> TIA
>
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[PLUG] Needed: Modern equivalent of a "null-modem cable"

2017-01-14 Thread Richard Owlett 
I suspect what I'm looking for is ONE 3 ft piece of terminated 
Cat6 cable ;)
I have two laptops - one (a Lenovo T43) speaks only WinXP Pro, 
the other (a Lenovo T430) only Debian Jessie.
Sometime back I attempted to have them communicate via ethernet - 
hence the availability of the Cat6 cable. As far as I got was 
both sides recognized that electrically the other existed.
My LAN knowledge is ~= "null set".
My non-productive web search turned up only references that 
PRESUMED the goal was connecting a multiplicity of devices. I 
could not sift the wheat from the chaff.
At power on the WinXP reports as a unconnected ethernet Host.
If it wants to be top dog, so be it.
My goal is to transfer some large data files from the WinXP box 
to the Debian box.
Can someone point me to appropriate educational material that is 
focused on connecting EXACTLY two computers by exactly one piece 
of cable.
There shall be ABSOLUTELY no mention of hubs, routers, switches, etc.
Gee, any hint I'm frustrated ;/
TIA


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