Re: [PLUG] Migrating Win 10 on new machine to VirtualBox

[Garrett Bigart]

You might need to install a file system to read the drive. Type the
following into your terminal:

sudo apt-get install exfat-fuse exfat-utils


On Mon, Aug 14, 2017 at 7:26 PM, Denis Heidtmann 
wrote:

> So far I have written a recovery USB and downloaded the 16.04.3 iso.  Win
> 10 lists all the files on the recovery USB, but neither of my Ubuntu
> machines even acknowledge I plugged them in. ??  Not that it matters--I can
> download a Win 10 ISO and use it when I get to the point of installing Vbox
> (I am slow, due to ignorance.)
>
> -Denis
>
> On Sun, Aug 13, 2017 at 6:38 PM, Tom  wrote:
>
> > My apology for being sloppy 
> > I meant VM and general term for Virtual Machine - regardless if vBox,
> > KVM, Xen or VMware
> > -T
> > On Sat, 2017-08-12 at 21:01 -0700, Denis Heidtmann wrote:
> > > Tomas,
> > >
> > > Thanks for the suggestion.  I did not know that the recovery  could
> > > be used
> > > for installing in Virtual Box.  (You said VM--I know that VM has a
> > > special
> > > routine for extracting an installed OS for a virtual machine, but was
> > > uncertain about Virtual Box.)
> > >
> > > I am not certain if I will use Win 10--I use Win 2K at present for
> > > two
> > > legacy programs.  And a third might be better with 10.
> > >
> > > -Denis
> > >
> > > On Sat, Aug 12, 2017 at 5:23 PM, Tom 
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > > > Alternatively, you could create Windows recovery USB media before
> > > > installing linux on the box.
> > > > It can be used to fully reinstall already activated Windows in VM
> > > > or on
> > > > the laptop when you want to give it away.
> > > > I store the USB media on a filer as VDI disk image, forever. I have
> > > > never used any of those backups - even when selling old computers,
> > > > they
> > > > were always bought by a Linux geek.
> > > > What are the chances that you would want to use windows Denis?
> > > > I have bunch of MS Win VM's which I use for single task - boot them
> > > > up
> > > > and waste couple of hours updating them every quarter.
> > > > What a waste - I behave like the monkeys with the banana in a cage!
> > > > Tomas
> > > > On Sat, 2017-08-12 at 16:25 -0700, Denis Heidtmann wrote:
> > > > > The latest question, "Is it activated?" , the answer seems to be
> > > > > "yes".
> > > > > Posts I have seen say that if not activated personalization
> > > > > should
> > > > > not be
> > > > > possible.  It is possible for this installation.  But...
> > > > >
> > > > > I read that Win 10 can be moved to a virtual machine:
> > > > > https://answers.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/forum/windows_10-wind
> > > > > ows_
> > > > > install/convert-windows-10-activation-to-virtual-machine/284089e3
> > > > > -af42-4b42-acb6-1e63d50a4212?auth=1
> > > > >
> > > > > So I think I will take this route.  I can get an ISO from MS,
> > > > > then go
> > > > > through the activation as described.
> > > > >
> > > > > Thanks for all the ideas.
> > > > >
> > > > > -Denis
> > > > >
> > > > > On Thu, Aug 10, 2017 at 9:52 PM, Denis Heidtmann <
> > > > > denis.heidtm...@gmail.com>
> > > > > wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > I entered settings, searched for "Is windows activated".  The
> > > > > > response was
> > > > > > unable to reach activation servers (not connected).  It also
> > > > > > had an
> > > > > > entry
> > > > > > to change the product key, but no existing product key was
> > > > > > shown.
> > > > > >  So I
> > > > > > think I am still uncertain.  I can connect and try again
> > > > > > (tomorrow).
> > > > > >
> > > > > > On Thu, Aug 10, 2017 at 9:12 PM, Denis Heidtmann <
> > > > > > denis.heidtm...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > I will search windows, but not being familiar with it I may
> > > > > > > have
> > > > > > > difficulty.  BTW I managed to boot from a 16.04 flash drive-
> > > > > > > -progress.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > On Thu, Aug 10, 2017 at 7:54 PM, Garrett Bigart <
> > > > > > > gbig...@gmail.com>
> > > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Before you install Ubuntu could you check in the settings
> > > > > > > > to
> > > > > > > > see whether
> > > > > > > > it
> > > > > > > > says activated or not? I might need to do something
> > > > > > > > depending
> > > > > > > > on what
> > > > > > > > that
> > > > > > > > says.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > On Thu, Aug 10, 2017 at 7:48 PM, Denis Heidtmann <
> > > > > > > > denis.heidtm...@gmail.com>
> > > > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > That helps.  It is F12 on this system.  But USB is not on
> > > > > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > > list, so
> > > > > > > > I
> > > > > > > > > have to use a 14.04 CD that I have, rather than the 16.04
> > > > > > > > > flash
> > > > > > > > drive.  But
> > > > > > > > > for starters, this will help me check the system.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > On Wed, Aug 9, 2017 at 10:00 PM, John Jason Jordan <
> > > > > > > > > joh...@gmx.com>

Re: [PLUG] Migrating Win 10 on new machine to VirtualBox

[Denis Heidtmann]

So far I have written a recovery USB and downloaded the 16.04.3 iso.  Win
10 lists all the files on the recovery USB, but neither of my Ubuntu
machines even acknowledge I plugged them in. ??  Not that it matters--I can
download a Win 10 ISO and use it when I get to the point of installing Vbox
(I am slow, due to ignorance.)

-Denis

On Sun, Aug 13, 2017 at 6:38 PM, Tom  wrote:

> My apology for being sloppy 
> I meant VM and general term for Virtual Machine - regardless if vBox,
> KVM, Xen or VMware
> -T
> On Sat, 2017-08-12 at 21:01 -0700, Denis Heidtmann wrote:
> > Tomas,
> >
> > Thanks for the suggestion.  I did not know that the recovery  could
> > be used
> > for installing in Virtual Box.  (You said VM--I know that VM has a
> > special
> > routine for extracting an installed OS for a virtual machine, but was
> > uncertain about Virtual Box.)
> >
> > I am not certain if I will use Win 10--I use Win 2K at present for
> > two
> > legacy programs.  And a third might be better with 10.
> >
> > -Denis
> >
> > On Sat, Aug 12, 2017 at 5:23 PM, Tom 
> > wrote:
> >
> > > Alternatively, you could create Windows recovery USB media before
> > > installing linux on the box.
> > > It can be used to fully reinstall already activated Windows in VM
> > > or on
> > > the laptop when you want to give it away.
> > > I store the USB media on a filer as VDI disk image, forever. I have
> > > never used any of those backups - even when selling old computers,
> > > they
> > > were always bought by a Linux geek.
> > > What are the chances that you would want to use windows Denis?
> > > I have bunch of MS Win VM's which I use for single task - boot them
> > > up
> > > and waste couple of hours updating them every quarter.
> > > What a waste - I behave like the monkeys with the banana in a cage!
> > > Tomas
> > > On Sat, 2017-08-12 at 16:25 -0700, Denis Heidtmann wrote:
> > > > The latest question, "Is it activated?" , the answer seems to be
> > > > "yes".
> > > > Posts I have seen say that if not activated personalization
> > > > should
> > > > not be
> > > > possible.  It is possible for this installation.  But...
> > > >
> > > > I read that Win 10 can be moved to a virtual machine:
> > > > https://answers.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/forum/windows_10-wind
> > > > ows_
> > > > install/convert-windows-10-activation-to-virtual-machine/284089e3
> > > > -af42-4b42-acb6-1e63d50a4212?auth=1
> > > >
> > > > So I think I will take this route.  I can get an ISO from MS,
> > > > then go
> > > > through the activation as described.
> > > >
> > > > Thanks for all the ideas.
> > > >
> > > > -Denis
> > > >
> > > > On Thu, Aug 10, 2017 at 9:52 PM, Denis Heidtmann <
> > > > denis.heidtm...@gmail.com>
> > > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > I entered settings, searched for "Is windows activated".  The
> > > > > response was
> > > > > unable to reach activation servers (not connected).  It also
> > > > > had an
> > > > > entry
> > > > > to change the product key, but no existing product key was
> > > > > shown.
> > > > >  So I
> > > > > think I am still uncertain.  I can connect and try again
> > > > > (tomorrow).
> > > > >
> > > > > On Thu, Aug 10, 2017 at 9:12 PM, Denis Heidtmann <
> > > > > denis.heidtm...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > I will search windows, but not being familiar with it I may
> > > > > > have
> > > > > > difficulty.  BTW I managed to boot from a 16.04 flash drive-
> > > > > > -progress.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > On Thu, Aug 10, 2017 at 7:54 PM, Garrett Bigart <
> > > > > > gbig...@gmail.com>
> > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > Before you install Ubuntu could you check in the settings
> > > > > > > to
> > > > > > > see whether
> > > > > > > it
> > > > > > > says activated or not? I might need to do something
> > > > > > > depending
> > > > > > > on what
> > > > > > > that
> > > > > > > says.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > On Thu, Aug 10, 2017 at 7:48 PM, Denis Heidtmann <
> > > > > > > denis.heidtm...@gmail.com>
> > > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > That helps.  It is F12 on this system.  But USB is not on
> > > > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > list, so
> > > > > > > I
> > > > > > > > have to use a 14.04 CD that I have, rather than the 16.04
> > > > > > > > flash
> > > > > > > drive.  But
> > > > > > > > for starters, this will help me check the system.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > On Wed, Aug 9, 2017 at 10:00 PM, John Jason Jordan <
> > > > > > > > joh...@gmx.com>
> > > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > On Wed, 9 Aug 2017 18:26:56 -0700
> > > > > > > > > Denis Heidtmann  dijo:
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > I figured out how to get to the bios.  There is not
> > > > > > > > > > boot
> > > > > > > > > > -order
> > > > > > > option
> > > > > > > > > > I am accustomed to--the order is set by properties
> > > > > > > > > > UEFI/legacy
> > > > > > > rather
> > > > > > > > > > than 

Re: [PLUG] ENU,Inc R.I.P.

[Rich Shepard]

On Mon, 14 Aug 2017, Paul Heinlein wrote:

> I had similar thoughts that I codified a year or so ago when Pacific
> Solutions was closing:

Paul, Mike, et al.:

   Very insightful, both of you. There is a dichotomy among computer users:
those who use them primarily for communications (including web browsing) and
those who use them for business (document creation, data analyses). Each
type has a different type of user (although there may well be overlap) and
different needs.

   Hardware has become much more capable and stable, and OSes such as linux
now support almost everything, so there is a smaller market for new
hardware. So the demise of the local computer retailer who specialized in
making things work, as Paul pointed out, matches market changes in other
aspects of our life.

   Most prominantly, IMO, is the loss of the local green grocer, butcher
shop, and bakery and their replacement by the supermarket. That's gone to
the extreme with Walmart driving the local Thriftway out of business, and
now the order-on-line-and-have-it-delivered looks to the the Next Big Thing.

   Change is constant. And while all progress involves change, not all change
involves progress.

Rich

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Re: [PLUG] ENU,Inc R.I.P.

[Paul Heinlein]

On Mon, 14 Aug 2017, Mike C. wrote:

> In today's world, most people use computational devices more for
> communication and all the things one can do on the Wonderful World of
> the Web. There's a gluttony of inexpensive good quality used/refurbished
> computers to be had that will easily meet most people's needs. I think
> the Internet and Software has become far more interesting for most
> people than hardware even though the hardware is very technologically
> advanced now, especially for virtualization purposes.

I had similar thoughts that I codified a year or so ago when Pacific 
Solutions was closing:

https://www.madboa.com/blog/2016/05/10/indy-retailers/

tl;dr -- computers are more ubiquitous and reliable, computer 
enthusiats are a dying breed, online retail outlets provide a broader 
range of knowledge for making purchasing choices compared to most
brick+mortar stores.

-- 
Paul Heinlein <> heinl...@madboa.com <> https://www.madboa.com/
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Re: [PLUG] ENU,Inc R.I.P.

[Mike C.]

On 8/14/17 12:00 PM, plug-requ...@lists.pdxlinux.org wrote:
>I've had occasion to visit a couple of these places. The one's I visited
> were totally Windows-centric and had no idea how to diagnose potential
> hardware issues. I still see some of these shops, but many fewer.
>
> Perhaps this is the result of the focus of industry drivers assuming
> everyone will do all their computing on a smart phone rather than a desktop,
> laptop, or tablet.
>
> Rich
Interesting topic worth discussing a bit especially after some random 
thoughts running through my mind following this thread.

In today's world, most people use computational devices more for 
communication and all the things one can do on the Wonderful World of 
the Web. There's a gluttony of inexpensive good quality used/refurbished 
computers to be had that will easily meet most people's needs. I think 
the Internet and Software has become far more interesting for most 
people than hardware even though the hardware is very technologically 
advanced now, especially for virtualization purposes.

It took decades of an unfathomable number of hours of human mental and 
physical labor, not too mention the metric tonnage of natural resources 
to arrive at the point where computer hardware, software and the 
Internet just works like any other appliance for most people. If you've 
never been to the American Computer & Robotics Museum in Bozeman, MT, I 
highly recommend it. It'll make your head spin.

How many hours have I myself spent just getting my Linux boxes to just 
work like a Win or Mac w/o feeling like some mad scientist who's just 
trying to get the *#*@& WiFi to work! I couldn't tell you the last time 
I had to use the CLI to troubleshoot my Linux box. I kinda miss it, but 
I've also enjoyed getting a bit of my life and my sanity back. =)
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Re: [PLUG] Century Link sales at the door

[Denis Heidtmann]

On Sun, Aug 13, 2017 at 9:00 PM, wes  wrote:

> ...
> not sure what you mean by the "not on super service" point - literally
> anything is better than comcast.
>
> -wes.
>

I think there are some who say it is draw, others put CL below Comcast.  In
any case, compared to reasonable customer service, they both rank down in
the mud.

-Denis
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Re: [PLUG] Century Link sales at the door

[Michael]

Echo Wes, the door to door sales people are contracted and based on 
Century Link office staff tend to fumble the order to bend things in 
their favor.

Now that you've been visited you know you have fiber in your 
neighborhood. Visit a Century Link store to see what they can really do 
for you.



On 2017-08-13 21:00, wes wrote:
> more likely, your particular salesperson was trying to make a better
> commission. it is entirely possible to get better prices for better
> services from CL.
> 
> not sure what you mean by the "not on super service" point - literally
> anything is better than comcast.
> 
> -wes
> 
> On Sun, Aug 13, 2017 at 8:39 PM, Denis Heidtmann 
> 
> wrote:
> 
>> The young lady said that fiber to the home is SO much 
>> better--reliable,
>> etc.  I asked about the download speed. 40.  Up? 20. Cost? I think it 
>> was
>> just under $100. (Phone and internet; no TV). How do they expect to 
>> compete
>> with Comcast if their intro stuff is more expensive?  Certainly not on
>> superior service.
>> 
>> My son plays one off the other to keep lower prices.  Maybe Century 
>> Link is
>> dropping out of that game on the west side.
>> 
>> -Denis
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Re: [PLUG] ENU,Inc R.I.P.

[Rich Shepard]

On Sun, 13 Aug 2017, Tom wrote:

> I had an interesting experience while visiting local CenturyLink store a
> few weeks ago - there are so many people without basic networking and
> computer knowledge - not even a clue.

Tom,

   As common as dandelions.

> One would think that there would be tons of small time IT guys/shops
> around to solve people's networking/computing issues ... I really wonder
> where are we heading and why.

   I've had occasion to visit a couple of these places. The one's I visited
were totally Windows-centric and had no idea how to diagnose potential
hardware issues. I still see some of these shops, but many fewer.

   Perhaps this is the result of the focus of industry drivers assuming
everyone will do all their computing on a smart phone rather than a desktop,
laptop, or tablet.

Rich
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Re: [PLUG] Cheap printer for Raspberry Pi idea

[Larry Brigman]

I find that cups will support anything that supplies a ppd file.  On the
printers at work, we found the ppd file in the mac drivers package for the
canon printers.

On Sun, Aug 13, 2017 at 9:58 PM, Dave  wrote:

> Thanks Tyrell for that valuable link. I will also take a closer look at
> HPLIP with regard to some other printers here.
>
> I ordered an HP Deskjet 1112 from Amazon for this application. It claims
> to have full support for Linux Debian (RPi?) and Mint via USB. For $29
> it's worth a try. :-$. If it works, it should be a perfect small
> addition to a stand-alone RPi student learning station.
>
> -Dave
>
>
> On 8/13/2017 8:47 PM, Tyrell Jentink wrote:
> > It's been a while since I plugged in my HP printer... I have one of the
> > OfficeJet Pro L7680, stopped using it because I don't print frequently
> and
> > so Laser printers are better suited to my needs...  But when I was
> > researching the purchase, I referenced HPLIP, the HP Linux Imaging and
> > Printing project:
> > http://hplipopensource.com/hplip-web/supported_devices/index.html
> >
> > The HPLIP project is initiated and led by HP directly, and in my
> > experience, they are pretty good about keeping their lists up to date.
> >
> > I am not fluant in CUPS, and my understanding may be fundamentally
> > flawed...  But it is my understanding that CUPS only supports a short
> list
> > of printers directly, but provides a common API for drivers for other
> > printers to be written.  When it comes to HP printers, I believe the
> go-to
> > driver is HPLIP, and I believe HPLIP depends on CUPS.
> >
> > I suspect other printers are supported indirectly in a similar manner,
> and
> > thus they may not show up on the Pi CUPS list...  Even though they are
> > indeed supported, potentially out of the box...
> >
> >
> > On Sat, Aug 12, 2017 at 5:38 PM, Dave  wrote:
> >
> >> Hi Tom-
> >>
> >> Thanks for your thoughts.
> >>
> >> I have owned a LOT of printers over the years. Starting with an early
> >> Centronics in the '70s that sounded like washing machine and cost a
> >> fortune! Also had an Epson MX-80 before it was released to the public. .
> >> Then wrote the tutorial book that went in the box. 8-).
> >>
> >> Had a few really good printers over time, but a number of
> >> disappointments too. Too many have not worked well with Linux thus my
> >> caution here.
> >>
> >> For this little learning application I just want something that
> >> definitely works with the Pi. Am checking the Pi CUPS list here now
> >> against the offerings of WalMart, Office Depot, Costco etc and have not
> >> found even one that is on the list. Most CUPS listings are for obsolete
> >> printers it seems...
> >>
> >> -Dave
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> On 8/12/2017 5:05 PM, Tom wrote:
> >>> I am great fan of HP printers and multifunction devices - because they
> >>> just work on Linux (with some rare exceptions).
> >>> My current one HP 8600, in the past: HP 3510, HP 1505N, .
> >>> Generally, it just prints and also scans with some minor love.
> >>> I have also owned Epson C88 (I think) - the printer worked just fine in
> >>> Linux - it wasted as much ink as the HP printers, but it would not work
> >>> with EU bought ink - which was major pain.
> >>> Just look up the printer in CUPS list before buying it - it is trivial
> >>> to carry the list in the smart-phone avoiding two trips to store.
> >>> If fact, I would not hesitate returning the printer if it would not
> >>> work with Linux - it is their problem to solve if they do not bother to
> >>> write a statement for Linux users on the box.
> >>> I do not expect much from a printer these days 50-100 pages a year -
> >>> hence my bias - some years are 3x depending on moves/relocation
> >>> WARNING: Customary rant about printers
> >>> I hope that I am not starting something bigger by expressing my
> >>> opinion:
> >>>- there is not such thing as cheap inkjet printer these days due to
> >>> ink cost coupled with regular head cleaning cycles.
> >>>- I do not print a lot - there have been couple instances that I
> have
> >>> printed about 20-30 pages per 4x cartridge set due to time passage and
> >>> regular cleaning cycles.
> >>>- My wife prints a lot (work related) and went trough $150 ink per
> >>> month in her cheap ~$60 HP printer. We got expensive, enterprise
> >>> printer with low per page cost to fix that.
> >>>- Without calculating it - owning reliably functioning inkjet
> printer
> >>> can costs as much as $80 per year in ink printed or wasted.
> >>> Tomas
> >>> On Sat, 2017-08-12 at 14:19 -0700, Dave wrote:
>  I'm looking to buy a a small cheap inkjet printer to dedicate to a
>  Raspberry Pi. USB connect, no multipurpose, and actually has a driver
>  in
>  the CUPS list. Ideas appreciated.
> 
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