Re: [PLUG] Power Conditioner

2020-09-25 Thread Dick Steffens
On 9/24/20 6:53 PM, Michael Barnes wrote: You need to verify the wiring from your generator through the transfer panel. Depending on how it is configured, it is possible the ground does not make it all the way through when on generator. This can easily be checked with one of those 3 light

Re: [PLUG] Power Conditioner

2020-09-25 Thread Dick Steffens
On 9/24/20 7:04 PM, Chuck Hast wrote: Same here, your gen set may need a few minutes to stabilize but it should settle on 60Hz and since you do not have a large number of inductors and capacitors on the line it should be fairly clean. You can find multimeters that will measure low frequency

Re: [PLUG] Power Conditioner

2020-09-25 Thread Dick Steffens
On 9/24/20 7:43 PM, Jason Barnett wrote: The other responses are talking about the correct way to deal with the situation, I'm not as helpful. :) I think the term you are looking for is "Power Conditioner" or "Line Conditioner". Here is the first search result:

Re: [PLUG] Power Conditioner

2020-09-25 Thread Dick Steffens
On 9/24/20 6:16 PM, Mike C. wrote: You shouldn't have to buy anything to fix this problem. You should be able to accomplish this by adjusting the governor / idle speed of the generator to the rpm that produces a stable 60 hz signal. Turns out to be non-trivial. The generator is a Champion 7500

Re: [PLUG] Power Conditioner

2020-09-25 Thread Jim Karlock
Ben Koenig, Sorry to ask, but you wrote "The obvious racism coming from our current president" which introduced politics to this discussion. Please give some actual examples of this, as there are a lot of false accusations in the political world. Please note that Trump has a number of

Re: [PLUG] Power Conditioner

2020-09-25 Thread Ben Koenig
There is a difference between chinese-made and chinese-DESIGNED. Its a known fact that some chinese companys exist to create low quality knock-offs of name brand products in several different industries. This is a nuance that often gets glossed over in casual conversation and affects everything

Re: [PLUG] Power Conditioner

2020-09-25 Thread Chuck Hast
Tomas, My experience with switching power supplies has been that if they are noise makers they are Chinese made. I used to install a lot of Electronic asset control systems (anti-shoplifting) ; most of these devices work in the region of around 60 khz. Back when the gas discharge, fluorescent

Re: [PLUG] Power Conditioner

2020-09-24 Thread tomas . kuchta . lists
On Thu, 2020-09-24 at 21:04 -0500, Chuck Hast wrote: > > > none of the others. Computer PSU's can be noisy also as can any > (Chinese) switching power supply. > > I wonder, without any desire or starting political flame wars, what has "Chinese" to do with any of this stuff? Are there any

Re: [PLUG] Power Conditioner

2020-09-24 Thread Mike C.
Yes, I've also run into the G/N bonding inside wiring issue before. The error mssg on the UPS was "wiring fault". In that case moving the UPS to another outlet solved the problem as the wiring issue was only on the outlet. Tripplite does recommend a specific UPS for use with a generator. It's

Re: [PLUG] Power Conditioner

2020-09-24 Thread Jason Barnett
The other responses are talking about the correct way to deal with the situation, I'm not as helpful. :) I think the term you are looking for is "Power Conditioner" or "Line Conditioner". Here is the first search result: https://www.beupp.com/generator/power-line-conditioners/ On Thu, Sep 24,

Re: [PLUG] Power Conditioner

2020-09-24 Thread Chuck Hast
Ahh forgot the G/N bonding, in the industrial environments I worked in, we never saw that one it was caught prior to hotting up the circuit, but indeed home installations are a crap shoot. Indeed the home I bought where I now live was like that I had to make sure the G/N bond was solid as it

Re: [PLUG] Power Conditioner

2020-09-24 Thread Chuck Hast
Same here, your gen set may need a few minutes to stabilize but it should settle on 60Hz and since you do not have a large number of inductors and capacitors on the line it should be fairly clean. You can find multimeters that will measure low frequency signals and of course 60hz is down there.

Re: [PLUG] Power Conditioner

2020-09-24 Thread Michael Barnes
You need to verify the wiring from your generator through the transfer panel. Depending on how it is configured, it is possible the ground does not make it all the way through when on generator. This can easily be checked with one of those 3 light circuit testers. I have run into this in the field

Re: [PLUG] Power Conditioner

2020-09-24 Thread Mike C.
You shouldn't have to buy anything to fix this problem. You should be able to accomplish this by adjusting the governor / idle speed of the generator to the rpm that produces a stable 60 hz signal. Ideally, you'd have a cheap multimeter to use to quickly and easily dial in the rpm but if not, you

[PLUG] Power Conditioner

2020-09-24 Thread Dick Steffens
During the fire event last week we were without PGE power a couple of times. We have a generator connected to the house through a transfer panel which worked fine for everything except the battery backup units we have for our computers. They rejected the power that wasn't a stable 60 Hz. I