Re: [PLUG] looking for secure space for a mail server
You can just split the cost with other people. $17.54 a U. Might go up if you put in enough equipment to need custom power or something. On Mon, Jun 18, 2018, 3:05 PM Ben Koenig wrote: > Running a physical server has advantages in all areas. Randall didn't > actually mention his use case. Does anyone know of any such services in the > area? > > It could be anything from security, government regulations, performance, > and even education. Don't assume you know what he is looking for without > even asking. I would also like to know if there are any local COLO options. > Mostly because of my interest in OS configurations. For me personally, I'd > rather have control of my server OS from an education and hobby > perspective. How much I spend on my hobby or business is my responsibility. > > > Those virtual servers you are so excited about run on physical hardware. At > the end of the day SOMEONE has to run bare metal. Or we can have a moment > of silence for all the docker containers that will vanish when the world's > last server fails to POST. > > > > On Mon, Jun 18, 2018 at 2:50 PM, Daniel Johnson > wrote: > > > On Mon, Jun 18, 2018, 1:50 PM Tomas Kuchta > > > wrote: > > > > > I have heard that security versus physical HW in colo argument so many > > > times. > > > > > > In my opinion, a padlock is way less secure than well implemented > crypto. > > > > > > The only security benefit I see from physical HW would be hosting it on > > > premises - if your threat vector is suponea. Both VM or HW in colo can > be > > > legally accessed without your knowledge, which shouldn't be possible > when > > > hosting on premises. > > > > > > Cost or special snowflake HW would be another consideration. If one > gets > > to > > > rent 15U for $300 a month and if you can fully utilize that volume - > you > > > could save considerable $$ in certain load scenarios. > > > > > > Just my thoughts on possible value of real HW outside mainstream and > > > home/office. > > > > > > Tomas > > > > > > > > > If you want a cheap > > > > subpoena resistant setup. > > > > > > > https://github.com/privacylabs/oasis > > > > > > > > > On Mon, Jun 18, 2018, 12:41 PM Louis Kowolowski < > lou...@cryptomonkeys.org> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Jun 18, 2018, at 1:38 PM, Michael Rasmussen < > > mich...@michaelsnet.us > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > To stress "As others have suggested, you may be able to use a VM" - > > at > > > > my final job before retirement (Large bank, Fortune 500, etc) > > everything > > > > possible was migrated to in-house VMs. > > > > > I want to say mail services were an early migration. In any case, > the > > > > entire mail infrastructure was run on virtual servers. > > > > > > > > > > There's no need for a physical server. > > > > > > > > > This is your opinion. We're not trying to determine if a VM is > capable > > of > > > > running *a* mail server. We're trying to determine what the > > requirements > > > of > > > > *his* mail server are, because that drives whether a physical server > is > > > > required. > > > > > > > > There may be a security requirement such as "no AES key leakage to > > other > > > > tenants". In this case, he may not be able to use a VM. There are > > people > > > in > > > > the crypto community who believe that any system that needs secure > > crypto > > > > should not be virtualized. > > > > > > > > Again, I'm trying to gather what the requirements are before stating > > what > > > > the solution is. > > > > > > > > -- > > > > Louis Kowolowski > > lou...@cryptomonkeys.org > > > > Cryptomonkeys: > > > > http://www.cryptomonkeys.com/ > > > > > > > > Making life more interesting for people since 1977 > > > > > > > > ___ > > > > PLUG mailing list > > > > PLUG@pdxlinux.org > > > > http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug > > > > > > > ___ > > > PLUG mailing list > > > PLUG@pdxlinux.org > > > http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug > > > > > ___ > > PLUG mailing list > > PLUG@pdxlinux.org > > http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug > > > ___ > PLUG mailing list > PLUG@pdxlinux.org > http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug > ___ PLUG mailing list PLUG@pdxlinux.org http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug
Re: [PLUG] looking for secure space for a mail server
On Mon, Jun 18, 2018, 1:50 PM Tomas Kuchta wrote: > I have heard that security versus physical HW in colo argument so many > times. > > In my opinion, a padlock is way less secure than well implemented crypto. > > The only security benefit I see from physical HW would be hosting it on > premises - if your threat vector is suponea. Both VM or HW in colo can be > legally accessed without your knowledge, which shouldn't be possible when > hosting on premises. > > Cost or special snowflake HW would be another consideration. If one gets to > rent 15U for $300 a month and if you can fully utilize that volume - you > could save considerable $$ in certain load scenarios. > > Just my thoughts on possible value of real HW outside mainstream and > home/office. > > Tomas > > > If you want a cheap subpoena resistant setup. > https://github.com/privacylabs/oasis > On Mon, Jun 18, 2018, 12:41 PM Louis Kowolowski > wrote: > > > > > > > > On Jun 18, 2018, at 1:38 PM, Michael Rasmussen > > > wrote: > > > > > > To stress "As others have suggested, you may be able to use a VM" - at > > my final job before retirement (Large bank, Fortune 500, etc) everything > > possible was migrated to in-house VMs. > > > I want to say mail services were an early migration. In any case, the > > entire mail infrastructure was run on virtual servers. > > > > > > There's no need for a physical server. > > > > > This is your opinion. We're not trying to determine if a VM is capable of > > running *a* mail server. We're trying to determine what the requirements > of > > *his* mail server are, because that drives whether a physical server is > > required. > > > > There may be a security requirement such as "no AES key leakage to other > > tenants". In this case, he may not be able to use a VM. There are people > in > > the crypto community who believe that any system that needs secure crypto > > should not be virtualized. > > > > Again, I'm trying to gather what the requirements are before stating what > > the solution is. > > > > -- > > Louis Kowolowskilou...@cryptomonkeys.org > > Cryptomonkeys: > > http://www.cryptomonkeys.com/ > > > > Making life more interesting for people since 1977 > > > > ___ > > PLUG mailing list > > PLUG@pdxlinux.org > > http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug > > > ___ > PLUG mailing list > PLUG@pdxlinux.org > http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug > ___ PLUG mailing list PLUG@pdxlinux.org http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug
Re: [PLUG] looking for secure space for a mail server
I have heard that security versus physical HW in colo argument so many times. In my opinion, a padlock is way less secure than well implemented crypto. The only security benefit I see from physical HW would be hosting it on premises - if your threat vector is suponea. Both VM or HW in colo can be legally accessed without your knowledge, which shouldn't be possible when hosting on premises. Cost or special snowflake HW would be another consideration. If one gets to rent 15U for $300 a month and if you can fully utilize that volume - you could save considerable $$ in certain load scenarios. Just my thoughts on possible value of real HW outside mainstream and home/office. Tomas On Mon, Jun 18, 2018, 12:41 PM Louis Kowolowski wrote: > > > > On Jun 18, 2018, at 1:38 PM, Michael Rasmussen > wrote: > > > > To stress "As others have suggested, you may be able to use a VM" - at > my final job before retirement (Large bank, Fortune 500, etc) everything > possible was migrated to in-house VMs. > > I want to say mail services were an early migration. In any case, the > entire mail infrastructure was run on virtual servers. > > > > There's no need for a physical server. > > > This is your opinion. We're not trying to determine if a VM is capable of > running *a* mail server. We're trying to determine what the requirements of > *his* mail server are, because that drives whether a physical server is > required. > > There may be a security requirement such as "no AES key leakage to other > tenants". In this case, he may not be able to use a VM. There are people in > the crypto community who believe that any system that needs secure crypto > should not be virtualized. > > Again, I'm trying to gather what the requirements are before stating what > the solution is. > > -- > Louis Kowolowskilou...@cryptomonkeys.org > Cryptomonkeys: > http://www.cryptomonkeys.com/ > > Making life more interesting for people since 1977 > > ___ > PLUG mailing list > PLUG@pdxlinux.org > http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug > ___ PLUG mailing list PLUG@pdxlinux.org http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug
Re: [PLUG] looking for secure space for a mail server
> On Jun 18, 2018, at 1:38 PM, Michael Rasmussen wrote: > > To stress "As others have suggested, you may be able to use a VM" - at my > final job before retirement (Large bank, Fortune 500, etc) everything > possible was migrated to in-house VMs. > I want to say mail services were an early migration. In any case, the entire > mail infrastructure was run on virtual servers. > > There's no need for a physical server. > This is your opinion. We're not trying to determine if a VM is capable of running *a* mail server. We're trying to determine what the requirements of *his* mail server are, because that drives whether a physical server is required. There may be a security requirement such as "no AES key leakage to other tenants". In this case, he may not be able to use a VM. There are people in the crypto community who believe that any system that needs secure crypto should not be virtualized. Again, I'm trying to gather what the requirements are before stating what the solution is. -- Louis Kowolowskilou...@cryptomonkeys.org Cryptomonkeys: http://www.cryptomonkeys.com/ Making life more interesting for people since 1977 ___ PLUG mailing list PLUG@pdxlinux.org http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug
Re: [PLUG] [OT ? ?? ???] Linux and computer literacy
On 06/18/2018 02:55 AM, Richard Owlett wrote: On 06/18/2018 02:44 AM, Russell Senior wrote: > That said, consider the following questions as you begin your quest: You say "networking". Can you define what you mean by that word? A LAN with only two computers at a time. You say "USB Master-USB Master" cable. Which one? I didn't buy online but from local computer store. This page describes what I bought. https://www.castleproductshop.com/products/Plugable-Windows-Transfer-Cable-for-Windows-10-8-1-8-7-Vista-XP-Includes/588583685 And, what is your goal in this "networking"? It started as file sharing. I was using "sneaker net" with flash drives. When I found that standard Linux can use utilities originally aimed at Ethernet for this hardware, the purpose became educational. Philosophically very similar to motivation of _Linux from Scratch_ without "compile, link, load", but targeting networks. I must say that I would find it highly amusing if it were discovered that said "Transfer-Cable" were to contain two USB to Ethernet adapters wired together. That wart in the middle is certainly big enough for that to be the case. Please post the output from the lsusb command after connecting the cable. galen -- Galen Seitz gal...@seitzassoc.com ___ PLUG mailing list PLUG@pdxlinux.org http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug
Re: [PLUG] looking for secure space for a mail server
What requirements are leading to the physical space? As others have suggested, you may be able to use a VM, which could be much cheaper ($5/10/mo perhaps). If you do need space for a physical machine, that doesn't sound too unreasonable (depending on where you're looking, you may be able to find something cheaper). You may be able to quibble over exactly what internet connection you get, depending on requirements. > On Jun 15, 2018, at 6:32 PM, logical american > wrote: > > Hi all: > > I've been quoted $263/month for a small locked cabinet (15U) space with 1 > power plug 110v AC and a business class internet connection. > > Is this price typical? > > I am looking for Vancouver WA first, then Portland OR second. This is my very > first time in trying to locate space for a small server. > > Randall > > ___ > PLUG mailing list > PLUG@pdxlinux.org > http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug -- Louis Kowolowskilou...@cryptomonkeys.org Cryptomonkeys: http://www.cryptomonkeys.com/ Making life more interesting for people since 1977 ___ PLUG mailing list PLUG@pdxlinux.org http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug
Re: [PLUG] Quick question on linux man page coverage
Ubuntu has "oneko" still. I recall xfishtank from the first X11 install I
ever did, on an early SLS install of Linux.
In similar-era news, I just set up bsdgames on a Raspberry Pi with mgetty,
and some dialup modems to deploy at ToorCamp later this week, so that other
people in their tents can dial in and play "trek" or maybe hunt the wumpus.
On Mon, Jun 18, 2018 at 3:28 AM, Tomas K
wrote:
> Did you check if you could install some of the missing man/manuals you
> care about? Not all man pages are selected for default install.
>
> on my opensuse 42.3:
> installed:
> sudo zypper search man | awk '$1 !~ /^i/ && $2 ~ /(^|-)(man|manual)$/
> {print} $1 ~ /^i/ && $3 ~ /(^|-)(man|manual)$/ {print}' | grep -c '^i'
> 1
> not-installed:
> sudo zypper search man | awk '$1 !~ /^i/ && $2 ~ /(^|-)(man|manual)$/
> {print} $1 ~ /^i/ && $3 ~ /(^|-)(man|manual)$/ {print}' | grep -cv '^i'
> 47
>
> I looked for the sl utility - no joy finding it, SAD!
> no xsnow either, SAD!
> found xeyes, huraaahhh!
>
> Tomas
>
> On Sun, 2018-06-17 at 15:50 -0700, logical american wrote:
> > A brief question on sparse linux documentation for executable
> > programs
> >
> > I did a survey of the 15,000+ executables on my openSuse Leap v42.3
> > OS
> > which has about 8869 software packages loaded according to zypper,
> > but
> > 76% of them have no man page at all. I did find dozens of programs
> > running, such as gvfs, which are intrinsic to the OS and some
> > apparently
> > embedded in the kernal, most running under systemctl control, but
> > with
> > no documentation.
> >
> > For openSuse Leap v42.3, it appears that the linux developers just
> > want
> > the product out the door and have not documented the /etc folder very
> > well.
> >
> > Should we be concerned that 3/4 of the programs running on a linux OS
> > do
> > not have a man page?
> >
> > I was a bit surprised to find this rather high ratio. Is it
> > surprising?
> >
> > Randall
> >
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Re: [PLUG] [OT ? ?? ???] Linux and computer literacy
On Mon, Jun 18, 2018 at 2:55 AM, Richard Owlett wrote:
> On 06/18/2018 02:44 AM, Russell Senior wrote:
>
>> "Richard" == Richard Owlett writes:
>>>
>>
>> Richard> For IDIOSYNCRATIC and weird local constraints I am working on
>> Richard> networking *TWO* computers via a "USB MASTER-USB MASTER"
>> Richard> cable. There are "cookbook"{sic/sick}" for "normal"(sic) users
>> Richard> with ethernet.
>>
>> One important thing to bear in mind, no one here seems to know the
>> answer to your question (perhaps because we don't really know what your
>> question is). The right, free-open-source choice here is to face and
>> slay the dragon yourself, and then report back.
>>
>
> Dragon not slain, wounded only.
>
> Selected Topics/Links
>>
>> USBNET
>>
>> http://www.linux-usb.org/usbnet/
>> http://linux-hotplug.sourceforge.net/?selected=usb
>> http://www.zeroconf.org/
>>
>> Some man pages
>>
>> https://manpages.debian.org/stable/usbutils/lsusb.8.en.html
>> https://manpages.debian.org/stable/usbutils/usb-devices.1.en.html
>> https://manpages.debian.org/stable/usbutils/usbhid-dump.8.en.html
>> https://manpages.debian.org/stable/libusb2-dev/libusb.3.en.html
>> https://manpages.debian.org/stable/openssh-client/ssh.1.en.html
>> https://manpages.debian.org/stable/openssh-client/scp.1.en.html
>> https://manpages.debian.org/stable/freebsd-ppp/ppp.8.en.html
>> https://manpages.debian.org/stable/freebsd-manpages/ip.4freebsd.en.html
>> https://manpages.debian.org/stable/iproute2/ip.8.en.html
>> https://manpages.debian.org/stable/manpages/ip.7.en.html
>>
>> misc info
>>
>> https://www.castleproductshop.com/products/Plugable-Windows-
>> Transfer-Cable-for-Windows-10-8-1-8-7-Vista-XP-Includes/588583685
>> https://packages.debian.org/stable/usbutils
>> https://sources.debian.org/patches/usbutils/1:007-4/01-updat
>> e-usb-ids.diff/
>>
>
>
>
>
>> That said, consider the following questions as you begin your quest:
>>
>> You say "networking". Can you define what you mean by that word?
>>
>
> A LAN with only two computers at a time.
>
>
>> You say "USB Master-USB Master" cable. Which one?
>>
>
> I didn't buy online but from local computer store.
> This page describes what I bought.
> https://www.castleproductshop.com/products/Plugable-Windows-
> Transfer-Cable-for-Windows-10-8-1-8-7-Vista-XP-Includes/588583685
>
The description says, in part:
"Supported by Linux kernel 3.0 and later as a high-speed virtual network
interface, no special file transfer support."
That implies the cable should provide a network interface to both sides.
What happens when you plug it in? Look in dmesg (near the bottom right
after you plug it in) and you should see something that implies a network
interface has been created.
Then, since it is a a direct network connection, and neither end is running
a DHCP server, you will need to give both sides a static or manual network
configuration.
On host A, at shell prompt, you can run the command:
ip addr add 192.168.66.1/24 dev eth0
and on host B:
ip addr add 192.168.66.2/24 dev eth0
note that you will need to replace "eth0" with whatever interface name you
find in dmesg. It might well have a different name, and the names might be
different on the two hosts. You will need to do that every time you plug
in the cable, or figure out how your distribution can do this for you when
you plug in the cable.
>From a shell on host A, you can then run a command:
scp 192.168.66.2:
and the file will land with the same name on in your home directory on host
B. That assumes your usernames are the same on both computers. More
generally:
scp 192.168.66.2
:
"scp" is the secure copy command. You can also use the command "rsync" to
move larger swaths of files. See manpages for scp and rsync for full
details.
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Re: [PLUG] [OT ? ?? ???] Linux and computer literacy
On Sun, 2018-06-17 at 20:39 -0500, Richard Owlett wrote:
> On 06/17/2018 05:50 PM, Tyrell Jentink wrote:
> > Oh... I guess I only answered one question...
>
>
>
> >
> > To the second question: When you want to do something that no one
> > else has ever done,
FTFY: or nobody seems to be interested in solving networking that way.
That being said - I noted people genuinely trying to advice you the
best they thought would help you solve your problem. There is little
point being too upset about the fact that ethernet and TCP/IP stack
rules networking these days.
It was definitely easier to build coal fired steam engine for
educational purpose or to use acoustic couplers for networking decades
ago than it is now. There sure was more accessible, and up to date
information, and useful hardware around. Though, coal fire steam
engines maybe coming back again.
>
> Actually it has been done.
> It's just not popular ;/
>
> > why would you expect anyone to know how to do it?
>
> Actually I'm finding much information on "having it my way".
> I ask NARROWLY focused questions and am told "DON'T" ;<
>
> > If you want to
> > be the first, then go do that... But people who need their hands
> > held don't
> > usually succeed in the undoable.
>
> Not is it not only "doable". It *HAS* been done.
> An underlying motive is education.
>
> >
> > It's really not a "Computer literacy" issue...
>
> Agreed ;>
> It just surfaced at the same time and might be considered equally
> 'off-topic".
>
>
>
> > It's a "When you can't tell
> > who's in charge, it's probably you..." issue.
> >
> > On Sun, Jun 17, 2018, 15:29 Richard Owlett
> > wrote:
> >
> > > I have two questions I wish to discuss.
> > > Both likely push the limits of being "On Topic".
> > > Is there a forum on which either (preferably *BOTH*) would be "On
> > > Topic"?
> > >
> > > The more general question
> > >
> > > On my last visit to our local public library I picked up a glossy
> > > 16
> > > page four color brochure titled _Free Computer Training and
> > > Professional
> > > Development Resources_ .
> > >
> > > In that brochure the word "Mac" occurs twice. "Linux" *NEVER*
> > > occurs.
> > > Keyboarding skills are mentioned. They also ask the question
> > > "Does
> > > grammar matter?"
> > >
> > > Can anyone point me to a "library like" resource recognizing
> > > that
> > > Micro$oft has competition?
> > >
> > > There has to be somebody with more "academic integrity".
> > >
> > > My second question has only a temporal relationship to above.
> > >
> > > For IDIOSYNCRATIC and weird local constraints I am working on
> > > networking
> > > *TWO* computers via a "USB MASTER-USB MASTER" cable. There are
> > > "cookbook"{sic/sick}" for "normal"(sic) users with ethernet.
> > >
> > > I've been asking questions on a distro specific list.
> > > The predominant response is *DON'T*
> > >
> > > Ignoring the *TRIVIAL* aspects of technical(sick) aspects
> > > I wish to do XYZ, That the rest of world does pqrz is
> > > *IRRELEVANT*
> > > I have already found *EDUCATIONAL* value in chosen path.
> > >
> > > Where may I ask *MY* questions without being told to "get lost"?
> > >
> > > TIA
> > >
>
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Re: [PLUG] Quick question on linux man page coverage
Did you check if you could install some of the missing man/manuals you
care about? Not all man pages are selected for default install.
on my opensuse 42.3:
installed:
sudo zypper search man | awk '$1 !~ /^i/ && $2 ~ /(^|-)(man|manual)$/
{print} $1 ~ /^i/ && $3 ~ /(^|-)(man|manual)$/ {print}' | grep -c '^i'
1
not-installed:
sudo zypper search man | awk '$1 !~ /^i/ && $2 ~ /(^|-)(man|manual)$/
{print} $1 ~ /^i/ && $3 ~ /(^|-)(man|manual)$/ {print}' | grep -cv '^i'
47
I looked for the sl utility - no joy finding it, SAD!
no xsnow either, SAD!
found xeyes, huraaahhh!
Tomas
On Sun, 2018-06-17 at 15:50 -0700, logical american wrote:
> A brief question on sparse linux documentation for executable
> programs
>
> I did a survey of the 15,000+ executables on my openSuse Leap v42.3
> OS
> which has about 8869 software packages loaded according to zypper,
> but
> 76% of them have no man page at all. I did find dozens of programs
> running, such as gvfs, which are intrinsic to the OS and some
> apparently
> embedded in the kernal, most running under systemctl control, but
> with
> no documentation.
>
> For openSuse Leap v42.3, it appears that the linux developers just
> want
> the product out the door and have not documented the /etc folder very
> well.
>
> Should we be concerned that 3/4 of the programs running on a linux OS
> do
> not have a man page?
>
> I was a bit surprised to find this rather high ratio. Is it
> surprising?
>
> Randall
>
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Re: [PLUG] [OT ? ?? ???] Linux and computer literacy
On 06/18/2018 02:44 AM, Russell Senior wrote:
"Richard" == Richard Owlett writes:
Richard> For IDIOSYNCRATIC and weird local constraints I am working on
Richard> networking *TWO* computers via a "USB MASTER-USB MASTER"
Richard> cable. There are "cookbook"{sic/sick}" for "normal"(sic) users
Richard> with ethernet.
One important thing to bear in mind, no one here seems to know the
answer to your question (perhaps because we don't really know what your
question is). The right, free-open-source choice here is to face and
slay the dragon yourself, and then report back.
Dragon not slain, wounded only.
Selected Topics/Links
USBNET
http://www.linux-usb.org/usbnet/
http://linux-hotplug.sourceforge.net/?selected=usb
http://www.zeroconf.org/
Some man pages
https://manpages.debian.org/stable/usbutils/lsusb.8.en.html
https://manpages.debian.org/stable/usbutils/usb-devices.1.en.html
https://manpages.debian.org/stable/usbutils/usbhid-dump.8.en.html
https://manpages.debian.org/stable/libusb2-dev/libusb.3.en.html
https://manpages.debian.org/stable/openssh-client/ssh.1.en.html
https://manpages.debian.org/stable/openssh-client/scp.1.en.html
https://manpages.debian.org/stable/freebsd-ppp/ppp.8.en.html
https://manpages.debian.org/stable/freebsd-manpages/ip.4freebsd.en.html
https://manpages.debian.org/stable/iproute2/ip.8.en.html
https://manpages.debian.org/stable/manpages/ip.7.en.html
misc info
https://www.castleproductshop.com/products/Plugable-Windows-Transfer-Cable-for-Windows-10-8-1-8-7-Vista-XP-Includes/588583685
https://packages.debian.org/stable/usbutils
https://sources.debian.org/patches/usbutils/1:007-4/01-update-usb-ids.diff/
That said, consider the following questions as you begin your quest:
You say "networking". Can you define what you mean by that word?
A LAN with only two computers at a time.
You say "USB Master-USB Master" cable. Which one?
I didn't buy online but from local computer store.
This page describes what I bought.
https://www.castleproductshop.com/products/Plugable-Windows-Transfer-Cable-for-Windows-10-8-1-8-7-Vista-XP-Includes/588583685
And, what is your goal in this "networking"?
It started as file sharing. I was using "sneaker net" with flash drives.
When I found that standard Linux can use utilities originally aimed at
Ethernet for this hardware, the purpose became educational.
Philosophically very similar to motivation of _Linux from Scratch_
without "compile, link, load", but targeting networks.
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Re: [PLUG] [OT ? ?? ???] Linux and computer literacy
When I asked "Can anyone point me to a "library like" resource
recognizing that Micro$oft has competition?", I thought there would so
few examples I never considered a web search. My bad ;{
Did a DuckDuckGo search and received pages of hits.
Thanks.
On 06/17/2018 09:20 PM, Tyrell Jentink wrote:
Kalispell's library has changed... A lot... Since I was last there. BUT, I
wasn't the only one to take note of their Linux based systems:
http://openoffice.blogs.com/openoffice/libraries/
As for Reno... It does look like Linux has continued to be a priority since
I was last paying attention:
https://www.washoecountylibrary.us/about/reports-files/Washoe%2520County%2520Library%2520Technology%2520Plan%2520Dec%25202013%2520final.pdf
But no one has talked about it... Searching their event listing for terms
like "OpenOffice," "Linux," and "FOSS" don't bring any current results, and
this was the most recent article I could find:
http://thisisreno.com/2010/02/library-schedules-open-source-software-information-sessions/
There is also a Library Freedom Project, promoting Linux in libraries.
https://libraryfreedomproject.org/gnulinuxinthelibrary/
There is also Koha, an enterprise-class library management software that is
both open source and runs on Linux: https://koha-community.org
A quick Google search suggests libraries all over the country offering all
kinds of classes and programs and attempts to save money using Linux...
I mean... A little bit of imagination and your favorite search engine
should be arsenal enough for you to blow yourself up with...
On Sun, Jun 17, 2018, 18:30 Richard Owlett wrote:
ROFL^^GRIN^^SNICKER
Can you give me links?
I intend to fight with a bureaucracy. Need ammo ;/
On 06/17/2018 05:41 PM, Tyrell Jentink wrote:
I don't consider this to be off topic...
But aren't you the one that lives (Several states) east of Estacada? How
is
any advice I'm about to give going to help anyone? In light of that...
The county libraries in Reno, NV offer classes in open source software.
Last I looked (Erm... Several years ago), it was "Mostly" OpenOffice.org
and Firefox literacy, but they promised to teach them on Linux
machines...
So maybe it matured well.
The county libraries in Kalispell, MT don't even HAVE windows computers
(Or, they didn't when I was last there, again, several years ago);
Everything was based on multiple terminal nodes plugged into central
servers running Linux (As early as 2006, no less!), And they also offered
classes...
So... I guess if "libraries that know Microsoft has competition" are what
your after... Yes, they exist.
On Sun, Jun 17, 2018, 15:29 Richard Owlett wrote:
I have two questions I wish to discuss.
Both likely push the limits of being "On Topic".
Is there a forum on which either (preferably *BOTH*) would be "On
Topic"?
The more general question
On my last visit to our local public library I picked up a glossy 16
page four color brochure titled _Free Computer Training and Professional
Development Resources_ .
In that brochure the word "Mac" occurs twice. "Linux" *NEVER* occurs.
Keyboarding skills are mentioned. They also ask the question "Does
grammar matter?"
Can anyone point me to a "library like" resource recognizing that
Micro$oft has competition?
There has to be somebody with more "academic integrity".
My second question has only a temporal relationship to above.
For IDIOSYNCRATIC and weird local constraints I am working on networking
*TWO* computers via a "USB MASTER-USB MASTER" cable. There are
"cookbook"{sic/sick}" for "normal"(sic) users with ethernet.
I've been asking questions on a distro specific list.
The predominant response is *DON'T*
Ignoring the *TRIVIAL* aspects of technical(sick) aspects
I wish to do XYZ, That the rest of world does pqrz is *IRRELEVANT*
I have already found *EDUCATIONAL* value in chosen path.
Where may I ask *MY* questions without being told to "get lost"?
TIA
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Re: [PLUG] [OT ? ?? ???] Linux and computer literacy
> "Richard" == Richard Owlett writes:
Richard> For IDIOSYNCRATIC and weird local constraints I am working on
Richard> networking *TWO* computers via a "USB MASTER-USB MASTER"
Richard> cable. There are "cookbook"{sic/sick}" for "normal"(sic) users
Richard> with ethernet.
One important thing to bear in mind, no one here seems to know the
answer to your question (perhaps because we don't really know what your
question is). The right, free-open-source choice here is to face and
slay the dragon yourself, and then report back.
That said, consider the following questions as you begin your quest:
You say "networking". Can you define what you mean by that word?
You say "USB Master-USB Master" cable. Which one?
And, what is your goal in this "networking"?
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