Re: rmdir

[Brien Dieterle]

That's still too dangerous.  What I do is first chown the folder to nobody
user.  Then sudo to nobody.
Then I type out the full path to the folder, and use the arrow keys to move
to the beginning of the line.  Then I finally type rm - rf and hit enter

On Mon, Aug 20, 2018, 12:16 PM Matthew Crews 
wrote:

> On 8/20/18 8:26 AM, Carruth, Rusty wrote:
> > Or, simply, rm -rf DIR, assuming you want to remove ‘DIR as well as
> > anything in it (as I thought he said).
>
> I always make it a point to include ./ so that I don't accidentally
> delete something on root (even though rm -rf is supposed to prevent that.
>
> $ rm -rf ./DIR
>
> Including ./ in your path basically tells your system to use your
> current working directory
>
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Re: Write on PDFs

[Brien Dieterle]

I've used GIMP before, but I'm a maniac.  Just open the PDF.  Each page
will be a layer.  The trick is to export as pdf again instead of "overwite
pdf".  This lets you select the options "layers as pages" and also "reverse
the pages order".

This probably totally loses all the magic dust inside the PDF format, but
it works.

On Tue, Jun 5, 2018 at 1:21 PM Michael  wrote:

> What can I usse to edit PDFs. I was told Libre office would work but iit
> fails when I try to save the document.
>
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Re: Installing and Updating Programs from Source

[Brien Dieterle]

You might want to try checkinstall, which solves a lot of the problems of
uninstalling, etc:

https://wiki.debian.org/CheckInstall

On Wed, Jan 24, 2018 at 4:17 PM, Matthew Crews 
wrote:

> Hey all, this is a relatively newbish question.
>
> I'm comfortable with downloading and installing the source code to a
> program that I want to use, compile it, and use "make install" to install.
> That is the easy part.
>
> Here's the hard part for me. What are the best practices for doing so?
> -Is there a specific subfolder I should be installing compiled programs
> to? IE /opt instead of /usr/bin ?
> -Is there a way to specify the subfolder?
> -Is there an easy way to uninstall said programs when I am ready to do so?
> -What is the best way to keep said programs up to date when a new version
> is available?
>
> For the record, I am using Debian Stretch. Would it be better to take a
> program I want and make a .deb so that I can use dpkg or apt?
>
> Cheers.
>
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Re: Need: 2GB PC 4200 DDR2 533MHz

[Brien Dieterle]

>
>  Nothing makes an old machine faster than a nice SSD!
>
One that looks nice. And not *too *expensive.
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Re: Need: 2GB PC 4200 DDR2 533MHz

[Brien Dieterle]

Have you already replaced the hard drive with a cheap SSD?  If not, I would
do that first before RAM upgrades.

On Tue, Dec 12, 2017 at 1:15 PM, Nathan O'Brennan 
wrote:

>
> I'm trying to breathe some last breaths into an old computer my kids use.
> It has 4 slots which are currently occupied by 1 GB DIMMS. I searched a
> bunch of Dell forums and some people were able to get this system to
> upgrade to 8GB of ram while others could only get the 4GB to work. I don't
> want to waste any money here, so I'm hoping to find someone who has 2GB PC
> 4200 DIMMS they are willing to part with?
>
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Re: darktable rebooting computer

[Brien Dieterle]

What have you done to test the overheating theory?  Have you at least
popped the case and directed a strong fan in there and restarted the
stress/glmark test?

Other things to try:
Bios settings.  Reset to factory recommended defaults, adjust voltages,
underclock, ram timings, etc etc.  Not suggesting you do these all at once-
one at a time.


On Sun, Nov 26, 2017 at 9:01 PM, Michael <bmi...@gmail.com> wrote:

> no ... it crashes both with and without. sorry I wasn't clear.
>
> On Sun, Nov 26, 2017 at 9:31 PM, Stephen Partington <cryptwo...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Well so far the thing crashes with the wifi card, and is stable without.
>> this to me suggests a driver or hardare issue with the card.
>>
>> Especially with the errors you had listed before.
>>
>>
>> On Sun, Nov 26, 2017 at 5:59 PM, Michael <bmi...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> with. I do not have internet without. I don't know why but the
>>> ethernet port does not work now. do you want me to remove the card and see
>>> if it crashes it?
>>>
>>> On Sun, Nov 26, 2017 at 7:20 PM, Stephen Partington <
>>> cryptwo...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Crash with or without the wifi card?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> <https://www.avast.com/sig-email?utm_medium=email_source=link_campaign=sig-email_content=webmail_term=icon>
>>>>  Virus-free.
>>>> www.avast.com
>>>> <https://www.avast.com/sig-email?utm_medium=email_source=link_campaign=sig-email_content=webmail_term=link>
>>>> <#m_6166556507672410501_m_-2810662078329617179_m_2812855064856121644_m_1756427078425960486_DAB4FAD8-2DD7-40BB-A1B8-4E2AA1F9FDF2>
>>>>
>>>> On Sun, Nov 26, 2017 at 4:47 PM, Michael <bmi...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I an back to thinking that it is the power supply. How can I verify
>>>>> this?
>>>>>
>>>>> On Thu, Nov 23, 2017 at 11:21 AM, Michael <bmi...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> darn. it just crashed again. You know I never had this problem
>>>>>> when I was hard-wired in. Let's try that!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Thu, Nov 16, 2017 at 10:33 AM, Brien Dieterle <bri...@gmail.com>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Yay!  You might consider just forgetting about wifi cards and get a
>>>>>>> wifi router.  Many let you configure the router as a client to your
>>>>>>> existing wifi network, so you can just plug in up to 5 devices to the 
>>>>>>> thing
>>>>>>> and it "just works".
>>>>>>> I use this setup to get 3 machines onto the wifi.
>>>>>>> Machine-to-machine xfers are very fast since they avoid the wifi 
>>>>>>> entirely.
>>>>>>> Also I suspect that sharing one wifi connection is more efficient than 3
>>>>>>> devices competing for signal (but I have no idea, really)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Thu, Nov 16, 2017 at 3:45 AM, Michael <bmi...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> it was the card. I had forgotten about running stress and glmark
>>>>>>>> and that having caused it to crash. Thanks for reminding me. When I run
>>>>>>>> stress and glmark now it does not crash but I had run the sed command
>>>>>>>> already
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Wed, Nov 15, 2017 at 9:11 PM, Brien Dieterle <bri...@gmail.com>
>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> First determine if the card is crashing the computer.  Remove the
>>>>>>>>> card, then try to crash it using stress and glmark and finally 
>>>>>>>>> darktable
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Nov 15, 2017 6:09 PM, "Michael" <bmi...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> dude! when I put the card in is about the time it started to
>>>>>>>>>> crash. any recommendations on a card that won't cause it to crash if 
>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>> sed command doesn't fix it??
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, Nov 15, 2017 at 9:01 AM, Stephen Partington <
>>>>>>>

Re: wired/wireless

[Brien Dieterle]

03:06.0 Network controller: Ralink corp. RT5362 PCI 802.11n Wireless
Network Adapter
03:0e.0 FireWire (IEEE 1394): Texas Instruments TSB43AB23 IEEE-1394a-2000
Controller (PHY/Link)

Do you still have the wireless in there?  I would remove that firewire card
too.
When you plug the computer into the modem, do you mean you are plugging it
directly into the single port on a "cable modem", or do you mean you're
plugging it into one of several ports on the wifi "router"?  If the former,
you need to make sure to power cycle the "modem" in order for it to accept
a new device (mac address)

On Thu, Nov 23, 2017 at 11:50 AM, Michael  wrote:

> My computer seems to reboot when I run darktable with a wireless card. I
> connect the modem to the computer and the network manager says that the
> wired connection is 'unmanaged'. I tried taking the wireless card out in
> case it caused a conflict but it still said 'unmanaged'. How do I get the
> network port working?
>
>  $ lspci
> 00:00.0 Host bridge: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD] RS880 Host Bridge
> 00:02.0 PCI bridge: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD] RS780 PCI to PCI
> bridge (ext gfx port 0)
> 00:0a.0 PCI bridge: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD] RS780/RS880 PCI to
> PCI bridge (PCIE port 5)
> 00:11.0 SATA controller: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD/ATI]
> SB7x0/SB8x0/SB9x0 SATA Controller [IDE mode]
> 00:12.0 USB controller: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD/ATI]
> SB7x0/SB8x0/SB9x0 USB OHCI0 Controller
> 00:12.1 USB controller: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD/ATI] SB7x0 USB
> OHCI1 Controller
> 00:12.2 USB controller: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD/ATI]
> SB7x0/SB8x0/SB9x0 USB EHCI Controller
> 00:13.0 USB controller: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD/ATI]
> SB7x0/SB8x0/SB9x0 USB OHCI0 Controller
> 00:13.1 USB controller: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD/ATI] SB7x0 USB
> OHCI1 Controller
> 00:13.2 USB controller: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD/ATI]
> SB7x0/SB8x0/SB9x0 USB EHCI Controller
> 00:14.0 SMBus: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD/ATI] SBx00 SMBus
> Controller (rev 3c)
> 00:14.1 IDE interface: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD/ATI]
> SB7x0/SB8x0/SB9x0 IDE Controller
> 00:14.2 Audio device: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD/ATI] SBx00 Azalia
> (Intel HDA)
> 00:14.3 ISA bridge: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD/ATI]
> SB7x0/SB8x0/SB9x0 LPC host controller
> 00:14.4 PCI bridge: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD/ATI] SBx00 PCI to
> PCI Bridge
> 00:14.5 USB controller: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD/ATI]
> SB7x0/SB8x0/SB9x0 USB OHCI2 Controller
> 00:18.0 Host bridge: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD] Family 10h
> Processor HyperTransport Configuration
> 00:18.1 Host bridge: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD] Family 10h
> Processor Address Map
> 00:18.2 Host bridge: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD] Family 10h
> Processor DRAM Controller
> 00:18.3 Host bridge: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD] Family 10h
> Processor Miscellaneous Control
> 00:18.4 Host bridge: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD] Family 10h
> Processor Link Control
> 01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD/ATI]
> RV770 [Radeon HD 4850]
> 01:00.1 Audio device: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD/ATI] RV770 HDMI
> Audio [Radeon HD 4850/4870]
> 02:00.0 Ethernet controller: Realtek Semiconductor Co., Ltd.
> RTL8111/8168/8411 PCI Express Gigabit Ethernet Controller (rev 02)
> 03:06.0 Network controller: Ralink corp. RT5362 PCI 802.11n Wireless
> Network Adapter
> 03:0e.0 FireWire (IEEE 1394): Texas Instruments TSB43AB23 IEEE-1394a-2000
> Controller (PHY/Link)
>
> I assume RTL8111/8168/8411 PCI Express Gigabit Ethernet Controller  is the
> card I want to work.
>
> That made me think
>
>  more /var/log/syslog|grep Ethernet
> Nov 23 11:07:06 MikesBeast kernel: [2.111079] r8169 Gigabit Ethernet
> driver 2.3LK-NAPI loaded
> Nov 23 11:07:11 MikesBeast NetworkManager[1165]:   [1511453231.3365]
> Loaded device plugin: NMEthernetFactory (internal)
> Nov 23 11:07:11 MikesBeast NetworkManager[1165]:   [1511453231.5231]
> manager: (enp2s0): new Ethernet device (/org/freedesktop/
> NetworkManager/Devices/1)
> Nov 23 11:36:29 MikesBeast kernel: [2.125630] r8169 Gigabit Ethernet
> driver 2.3LK-NAPI loaded
> Nov 23 11:36:32 MikesBeast NetworkManager[1185]:   [1511454992.9499]
> Loaded device plugin: NMEthernetFactory (internal)
> Nov 23 11:36:33 MikesBeast NetworkManager[1185]:   [1511454993.2939]
> manager: (enp2s0): new Ethernet device (/org/freedesktop/
> NetworkManager/Devices/1)
> Nov 23 11:50:42 MikesBeast kernel: [2.115241] r8169 Gigabit Ethernet
> driver 2.3LK-NAPI loaded
> Nov 23 11:50:46 MikesBeast NetworkManager[1189]:   [1511455846.1309]
> Loaded device plugin: NMEthernetFactory (internal)
> Nov 23 11:50:46 MikesBeast NetworkManager[1189]:   [1511455846.5400]
> manager: (enp2s0): new Ethernet device (/org/freedesktop/
> NetworkManager/Devices/1)
>
> $ less /var/log/syslog|grep network
> Nov 23 11:07:06 MikesBeast systemd[1]: 

Re: Debian Stable vs Ubuntu LTS vs Others for a NAS

[Brien Dieterle]

I would just go with Debian Stable.  You're already comfortable with this.
Why not?  Then you'd have all the flexibility you need down the road if you
decide to do more with the box.

On Mon, Nov 20, 2017 at 2:09 PM, Matthew Crews 
wrote:

> Hi all,
>
> I'm sure this comes up every so often.
>
> I'm in the process of repurposing an older desktop machine I have lying
> around and turning it into a NAS. I would like to do as little system
> administration as possible once it is set up. I would like relatively
> recent packages too, but I do NOT want to use a rolling release system.
>
> I haven't decided on which distribution to use. My top three choices:
>
> 1. Debian Stable (presently 9.2)
> 2. Ubuntu LTS (presently 16.04, soon will be 18.04)
> 3. Others
>
> Debian Stretch was recently released, and so the packages are newer than
> what's found in Ubuntu 16.04. However, Ubuntu 18.04 is just around the
> corner and will contain newer packages than Debian Stretch.
>
> Anoption is also to install Ubuntu 17.10, upgrade to 18.04 in April, and
> keep it on the LTS path going forward, but I feel that could be a recipe
> for disaster. Not terribly comfortable with running non-LTS Ubuntu on this
> machine, though.
>
> I'm most comfortable with Debian-based distros, but I'm open to using
> other distros if they do the job well, such as CentOS, OpenSUSE, and the
> like. I'm open to using a BSD (like FreeNAS) if it does the job and my
> hardware works for it.
>
> What's everyone's experiences? For my use case, what is the preference?
>
> Cheers,
>
> -Matt
>
>
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Re: darktable rebooting computer

[Brien Dieterle]

>
> I ran glmark around 5 minutes and then stress. that crashed the machine!


In another thread you crashed the machine without darktable, right?  Stop
thinking about darktable! :-)



On Wed, Nov 15, 2017 at 4:31 AM, Michael  wrote:

> Well, after I edit with darktable the computer reboots and periodically
> halts. The first thought I had was that the power supply was failing. But
> it only happens after running darktable. Is there a way we could nail down
> what is causing this before I start to just replace parts?
>
> It reboot at about 17:23 and here are the errors it is giving me in dmesg
> and /var/log/syslog. Does this point you to what it could be?
>
> I don't know what I'm looking at in dmesg and don't know how far back to
> copy!
> Hope this is good.
>
> [   66.482976] [UFW BLOCK] IN=wlp3s6 OUT= MAC=
> SRC=fe80::::2372:3ac4:279c:f220 
> DST=ff02::::::0001:0003
> LEN=76 TC=0 HOPLIMIT=255 FLOWLBL=1036500 PROTO=UDP SPT=5355 DPT=5355 LEN=36
> [   66.732895] [UFW BLOCK] IN=wlp3s6 OUT= MAC=
> SRC=fe80::::2372:3ac4:279c:f220 
> DST=ff02::::::0001:0003
> LEN=76 TC=0 HOPLIMIT=255 FLOWLBL=1036500 PROTO=UDP SPT=5355 DPT=5355 LEN=36
> [   66.982905] [UFW BLOCK] IN=wlp3s6 OUT= MAC=
> SRC=fe80::::2372:3ac4:279c:f220 
> DST=ff02::::::0001:0003
> LEN=76 TC=0 HOPLIMIT=255 FLOWLBL=1036500 PROTO=UDP SPT=5355 DPT=5355 LEN=36
> [   67.394753] [UFW BLOCK] IN=wlp3s6 OUT= MAC= SRC=192.168.0.9
> DST=224.0.0.252 LEN=56 TOS=0x00 PREC=0x00 TTL=255 ID=31808 PROTO=UDP
> SPT=5355 DPT=5355 LEN=36
> [   67.660399] [UFW BLOCK] IN=wlp3s6 OUT= MAC= SRC=192.168.0.9
> DST=224.0.0.252 LEN=56 TOS=0x00 PREC=0x00 TTL=255 ID=31837 PROTO=UDP
> SPT=5355 DPT=5355 LEN=36
> [   67.898448] [UFW BLOCK] IN=wlp3s6 OUT= MAC= SRC=192.168.0.9
> DST=224.0.0.252 LEN=56 TOS=0x00 PREC=0x00 TTL=255 ID=31873 PROTO=UDP
> SPT=5355 DPT=5355 LEN=36
> [   69.425251] [UFW BLOCK] IN=wlp3s6 OUT= 
> MAC=e4:be:ed:04:95:ca:b0:7f:b9:af:f1:db:08:00
> SRC=198.252.206.25 DST=192.168.0.9 LEN=110 TOS=0x08 PREC=0x00 TTL=53
> ID=13722 DF PROTO=TCP SPT=443 DPT=41690 WINDOW=60 RES=0x00 ACK PSH URGP=0
> [   71.863569] [UFW BLOCK] IN=wlp3s6 OUT= 
> MAC=e4:be:ed:04:95:ca:b0:7f:b9:af:f1:db:86:dd
> SRC=2607:f8b0:4002:080a::::200e 
> DST=2600:8807:c007:d200:39b7:9792:f36e:935d
> LEN=127 TC=0 HOPLIMIT=59 FLOWLBL=550839 PROTO=TCP SPT=443 DPT=50808
> WINDOW=114 RES=0x00 ACK PSH URGP=0
> [   72.081655] [UFW BLOCK] IN=wlp3s6 OUT= 
> MAC=e4:be:ed:04:95:ca:b0:7f:b9:af:f1:db:86:dd
> SRC=2607:f8b0:4002:080a::::200e 
> DST=2600:8807:c007:d200:39b7:9792:f36e:935d
> LEN=127 TC=0 HOPLIMIT=59 FLOWLBL=868246 PROTO=TCP SPT=443 DPT=50808
> WINDOW=114 RES=0x00 ACK PSH URGP=0
> [   72.522503] [UFW BLOCK] IN=wlp3s6 OUT= 
> MAC=e4:be:ed:04:95:ca:b0:7f:b9:af:f1:db:86:dd
> SRC=2607:f8b0:4002:080a::::200e 
> DST=2600:8807:c007:d200:39b7:9792:f36e:935d
> LEN=127 TC=0 HOPLIMIT=59 FLOWLBL=645260 PROTO=TCP SPT=443 DPT=50808
> WINDOW=114 RES=0x00 ACK PSH URGP=0
> [   73.414368] [UFW BLOCK] IN=wlp3s6 OUT= 
> MAC=e4:be:ed:04:95:ca:b0:7f:b9:af:f1:db:86:dd
> SRC=2607:f8b0:4002:080a::::200e 
> DST=2600:8807:c007:d200:39b7:9792:f36e:935d
> LEN=127 TC=0 HOPLIMIT=59 FLOWLBL=16434 PROTO=TCP SPT=443 DPT=50808
> WINDOW=114 RES=0x00 ACK PSH URGP=0
> [   75.198980] [UFW BLOCK] IN=wlp3s6 OUT= 
> MAC=e4:be:ed:04:95:ca:b0:7f:b9:af:f1:db:86:dd
> SRC=2607:f8b0:4002:080a::::200e 
> DST=2600:8807:c007:d200:39b7:9792:f36e:935d
> LEN=127 TC=0 HOPLIMIT=59 FLOWLBL=892115 PROTO=TCP SPT=443 DPT=50808
> WINDOW=114 RES=0x00 ACK PSH URGP=0
> [   77.713042] [UFW BLOCK] IN=wlp3s6 OUT= 
> MAC=e4:be:ed:04:95:ca:b0:7f:b9:af:f1:db:86:dd
> SRC=2607:f8b0:4002:0c06::::00bd 
> DST=2600:8807:c007:d200:39b7:9792:f36e:935d
> LEN=123 TC=0 HOPLIMIT=49 FLOWLBL=589661 PROTO=TCP SPT=443 DPT=60286
> WINDOW=803 RES=0x00 ACK PSH URGP=0
> [   78.776864] [UFW BLOCK] IN=wlp3s6 OUT= 
> MAC=e4:be:ed:04:95:ca:b0:7f:b9:af:f1:db:86:dd
> SRC=2607:f8b0:4002:080a::::200e 
> DST=2600:8807:c007:d200:39b7:9792:f36e:935d
> LEN=127 TC=0 HOPLIMIT=59 FLOWLBL=907299 PROTO=TCP SPT=443 DPT=50808
> WINDOW=114 RES=0x00 ACK PSH URGP=0
> [   94.398331] [UFW BLOCK] IN=wlp3s6 OUT= 
> MAC=e4:be:ed:04:95:ca:b0:7f:b9:af:f1:db:86:dd
> SRC=2607:f8b0:4002:0c07::::005f 
> DST=2600:8807:c007:d200:39b7:9792:f36e:935d
> LEN=127 TC=0 HOPLIMIT=47 FLOWLBL=624562 PROTO=TCP SPT=443 DPT=48738
> WINDOW=207 RES=0x00 ACK PSH URGP=0
> [   98.607223] ieee80211 phy0: rt2x00queue_flush_queue: Warning - Queue 1
> failed to flush
> [   99.119249] ieee80211 phy0: rt2x00queue_flush_queue: Warning - Queue 2
> failed to flush
> [   99.631233] ieee80211 phy0: rt2x00queue_flush_queue: Warning - Queue 1
> failed to flush
> [  100.751253] ieee80211 phy0: rt2x00queue_flush_queue: Warning - Queue 1
> failed to flush
> [  101.575244] ieee80211 phy0: rt2x00queue_flush_queue: Warning - Queue 1
> failed to flush
> [  

Re: seeking 4k curved monitor recommendation

[Brien Dieterle]

I just picked up a BenQ 27" 2560x1440 (100% sRGB).  For the love of color
don't get a wide gamut display.  Get a 100% sRGB Rec 709 monitor and save
yourself from most of the color management hell :-)

On Wed, Nov 15, 2017 at 6:57 AM, Stephen Partington 
wrote:

> Having dealt with 4k and 2k screens I am a huge proponent of 2k
> (2560x1440) at 27 in o
> ​r
>  less.
> ​And in all I am a huge fan of 2k screens for text, gaming, video.
>
> ​The inherent cost of 4k monitors still leaves me comfortable with the 2k
> x 27 in area.​
>
>
> On Nov 14, 2017 5:53 PM, "Jerry Snitselaar"  wrote:
>
>> On Tue Nov 14 17, der.hans wrote:
>>
>>> Am 14. Nov, 2017 schwätzte Jerry Snitselaar so:
>>>
>>> moin moin,
>>>
>>> true, at least a couple of the curved monitors I looked at weren't 4k,
>>> but
>>> they had a similar resolution. I presumed being wide and short DQd from
>>> selling as 4k. I still need to verify that they have 4:4:4 or equivalent.
>>>
>>>
>> Yeah, I'm not even sure what is the actual demarcation line between
>> calling
>> it 4k and 2k. I've been happy with both of my ASUS monitors, and got the
>> 27"
>> 4k for a pretty good deal last year for Black Friday at $350. I think
>> 1440p
>> in a wide display would probably look just fine.
>>
>>
>> I might fall back to a curved TV, but I'm certain a monitor is more likely
>>> to give me a good text experience.
>>>
>>> I'm planning on getting a pull-down mount for the TV, so I can have it
>>> for
>>> monitoring windows.
>>>
>>> https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=9SIA8SV48R3
>>> 291_re=tv_fireplace_mount-_-169-0084-000Z0-_-Product
>>>
>>> ciao,
>>>
>>> der.hans
>>>
>>> On Tue Nov 14 17, der.hans wrote:

> moin moin,
>
> I'm considering a wide, curved 4k monitor.
>
> I'll be connecting to an HDMI port.
>
> I'm currently using a 4k TV with text display issues. It was the best
> option at the time, but my eyes really, really want a better text
> display.
> I'm also finding that a wide flat display is less than ideal, hence the
> desire for curved.
>
> Any recommendations for specific monitors? Places of acquisition?
>
> I normally ignore black Friday sales, but this year many of them
> appear to
> be black November sales. That works better for me, if I'm going to
> change
> I need to do so before Thanksgiving as that's when silly season hits
> full
> swing for $dayjob.
>
> ciao,
>
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 4k curved screens seem to be pretty rare. The only 2 I've found in a
 (rather quick) search is a 40" Philips and 40" AOC. There appear to be
 quite a few 3440x1440 curved monitors though, mostly 34" though they
 are pricey.

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Re: Network gurus

[Brien Dieterle]

2 is good.  8.8.8.8. And 8.8.4.4

Those are Google servers

On Nov 7, 2017 2:58 PM, "Michael" <bmi...@gmail.com> wrote:

> is it better to have more than one? What other should I tell it?
>
> On Tue, Nov 7, 2017 at 4:54 PM, Brien Dieterle <bri...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> You probably just need to use your desktop environment (gnome, etc) and
>> go into network settings and change it there to a static DNS server.
>>
>> On Tue, Nov 7, 2017 at 2:47 PM, Michael <bmi...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> ::
>>> /etc/resolvconf/resolv.conf.d/base
>>> ::
>>> ::
>>> /etc/resolvconf/resolv.conf.d/head
>>> ::
>>> # Dynamic resolv.conf(5) file for glibc resolver(3) generated by
>>> resolvconf(8)
>>> # DO NOT EDIT THIS FILE BY HAND -- YOUR CHANGES WILL BE OVERWRITTEN
>>> # 127.0.0.53 is the systemd-resolved stub resolver.
>>> # run "systemd-resolve --status" to see details about the actual
>>> nameservers.
>>>
>>> ::
>>> /etc/resolvconf/resolv.conf.d/tail
>>> ::
>>> (END)
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tue, Nov 7, 2017 at 4:46 PM, Michael <bmi...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> I looked into the file (as suggested) and it says not to edit manually.
>>>>
>>>> On Tue, Nov 7, 2017 at 11:00 AM, Carruth, Rusty <
>>>> rusty.carr...@smartm.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On my Linux boxes (Linux Mint), there is /etc/resolvconf/resolv.conf.d
>>>>> dir which has 3 files:  base, head, tail.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Put ‘nameserver 8.8.8.8’ into base (or tail) and it should always get
>>>>> added to resolv.conf every reboot.  (You might look at all 3 files, my
>>>>> favourite trick for this is:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> more /etc/resolvconf/resolv.conf.d/*|less
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> and see what’s in them before you start.)
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>
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Re: Network gurus

[Brien Dieterle]

You probably just need to use your desktop environment (gnome, etc) and go
into network settings and change it there to a static DNS server.

On Tue, Nov 7, 2017 at 2:47 PM, Michael  wrote:

> ::
> /etc/resolvconf/resolv.conf.d/base
> ::
> ::
> /etc/resolvconf/resolv.conf.d/head
> ::
> # Dynamic resolv.conf(5) file for glibc resolver(3) generated by
> resolvconf(8)
> # DO NOT EDIT THIS FILE BY HAND -- YOUR CHANGES WILL BE OVERWRITTEN
> # 127.0.0.53 is the systemd-resolved stub resolver.
> # run "systemd-resolve --status" to see details about the actual
> nameservers.
>
> ::
> /etc/resolvconf/resolv.conf.d/tail
> ::
> (END)
>
>
>
> On Tue, Nov 7, 2017 at 4:46 PM, Michael  wrote:
>
>> I looked into the file (as suggested) and it says not to edit manually.
>>
>> On Tue, Nov 7, 2017 at 11:00 AM, Carruth, Rusty > > wrote:
>>
>>> On my Linux boxes (Linux Mint), there is /etc/resolvconf/resolv.conf.d
>>> dir which has 3 files:  base, head, tail.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Put ‘nameserver 8.8.8.8’ into base (or tail) and it should always get
>>> added to resolv.conf every reboot.  (You might look at all 3 files, my
>>> favourite trick for this is:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> more /etc/resolvconf/resolv.conf.d/*|less
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> and see what’s in them before you start.)
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
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Re: Network gurus

[Brien Dieterle]

Probably because you are getting the dns servers from dhcp.  The best way
to fix this I'd to fix the dns servers on your router.  Maybe restarting
your router will solve the problem since you are probably using the dns
server on the router.

What DNS server does it say you are using before you overwrite resolv.conf?

On Nov 6, 2017 8:50 PM, "Michael" <bmi...@gmail.com> wrote:

> there is a small problem the DNS setting does not survive a reboot.
> Should I put:
> echo "nameserver 8.8.8.8"|sudo tee /etc/resolv.conf;sudo systemctl restart
> network-manager.service
> in:
> /etc/rc.local
> or is there a better file to put it in?
>
> What are some other servers I might want to include? would I put:
> echo "nameserver 8.8.8.8, , Whatever>, "|sudo tee
> /etc/resolv.conf;sudo systemctl restart network-manager.service
>
>
> On Mon, Nov 6, 2017 at 10:04 PM, Brien Dieterle <bri...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Maybe you get your servers from dhcp
>>
>> On Nov 6, 2017 7:29 PM, "Michael" <bmi...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> how did my servers get messed up? any ideas?
>>
>> On Mon, Nov 6, 2017 at 7:41 PM, Michael <bmi...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> how it was ultimate ly fixed:
>>>
>>> CODE: SELECT ALL
>>> <https://forums.linuxmint.com/viewtopic.php?f=53=256719=1385098#>
>>> echo "nameserver 8.8.8.8" | sudo tee /etc/resolv.conf
>>>
>>> CODE: SELECT ALL
>>> <https://forums.linuxmint.com/viewtopic.php?f=53=256719=1385098#>
>>> systemctl restart network-manager.service
>>>
>>>
>>> On Mon, Nov 6, 2017 at 6:52 PM, Michael <bmi...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> I found out it has to do with domain name resolution.
>>>> I can ping 8.8.8.8 but when I try to ping google.com it says
>>>> Temporary failure in name resolution.
>>>>
>>>> On Mon, Nov 6, 2017 at 10:32 AM, Herminio Hernandez, Jr. <
>>>> herminio.hernande...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> What do you mean connectivity? Do you have an IP address? Can you ping
>>>>> your default gateway? Post the output of these commands
>>>>>
>>>>> ip address
>>>>> ip neighbor
>>>>> ip route show
>>>>>
>>>>> On Nov 6, 2017 3:35 AM, "Michael" <bmi...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> well, there is connectivity just no internet
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Mon, Nov 6, 2017 at 5:23 AM, Michael <bmi...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> the thinng about it is that the network connection is good. I even
>>>>>>> tried plugging a wireless dongle in to see if it was the card but the 
>>>>>>> new
>>>>>>> network connection popped up on the screen but no connectivity.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Sun, Nov 5, 2017 at 11:10 PM, Stephen Partington <
>>>>>>> cryptwo...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> This sounds like it is in a loose slot or that you flex the
>>>>>>>> mainboard when you open it up. Just reseat it much like the Graphics 
>>>>>>>> card.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> <https://www.avast.com/sig-email?utm_medium=email_source=link_campaign=sig-email_content=webmail_term=icon>
>>>>>>>>  Virus-free.
>>>>>>>> www.avast.com
>>>>>>>> <https://www.avast.com/sig-email?utm_medium=email_source=link_campaign=sig-email_content=webmail_term=link>
>>>>>>>> <#m_6973096000588962996_m_-4807763798006434581_m_-3492063613227682426_m_-7260647455400983724_m_-6688372009025401540_m_-7502887159602561450_m_7220397411822349799_m_-3133573590044572163_m_-3111937970276985263_DAB4FAD8-2DD7-40BB-A1B8-4E2AA1F9FDF2>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Sun, Nov 5, 2017 at 8:17 PM, Michael <bmi...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> THis is so upsetting! I mean the network card is nowhere near the
>>>>>>>>> video card. MAN! Everytime I mess with the innards I knock the 
>>>>>>>>> network off!
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Sun, Nov 5, 2017 at 9:36 PM, Michael <bmi...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>

Re: computer slow

[Brien Dieterle]

You have onboard video and a separate graphics card?  I would remove the
graphics card and use the onboard for a while.  If it doesn't crash you
know it is related to that card.
Have you already ruled out overheating by opening the case and blasting it
with a fan?

On Sat, Nov 4, 2017 at 7:45 PM, Michael  wrote:

> Well darn... that wasn't the problem. It just crashed the entire system
> after about 15 minutes. SOO back to the original request for
> information:
>
> probably you graphics card driver. Which one do you use on which platform
> and operating system?
>
> the driver manager on my Linux Mint18 system says the driver is:
>
> amd64-microcode
> Version 2.20160316.1
> Processor microcode firmware for AMD CPUs
>
> Which I guess is the driver if I was using the on-board video but I just
> looked at the card and written on the back is 'RoHS'. I wasn't to sure if
> that was the video card's manufacturer so I looked it up and it is. Now
> I'm lost. I don't know how to find out the specific card or how to
> install it's driver:(
>
>
> On Sat, Nov 4, 2017 at 6:03 PM, Michael  wrote:
>
>> As it is looking now it was my card. This is a note to someone who I hope
>> helped: Thanks for inspiring me to look up the video card driver. There was
>> one listed but the button next to 'do not use' was blacked in.
>>
>>
>> On Sat, Nov 4, 2017 at 4:32 PM, Michael  wrote:
>>
>>> I am thinking it is my video card. Is there something I need to do to
>>> access the video card or to make usable??
>>>
>>> On Sat, Nov 4, 2017 at 4:19 PM, Michael  wrote:
>>>
 nope that did not seem to do anything:
 bmike1@MikesBeast ~ $ modprobe k10temp
 bmike1@MikesBeast ~ $ sensors
 radeon-pci-0100
 Adapter: PCI adapter
 temp1:+66.0°C

 it8718-isa-0228
 Adapter: ISA adapter
 in0:  +1.46 V  (min =  +0.00 V, max =  +4.08 V)
 in1:  +1.94 V  (min =  +0.00 V, max =  +4.08 V)
 in2:  +3.25 V  (min =  +0.00 V, max =  +4.08 V)
 +5V:  +2.99 V  (min =  +0.00 V, max =  +4.08 V)
 in4:  +3.10 V  (min =  +0.00 V, max =  +4.08 V)
 in5:  +3.25 V  (min =  +0.00 V, max =  +4.08 V)
 in6:  +4.08 V  (min =  +0.00 V, max =  +4.08 V)
 in7:  +2.35 V  (min =  +0.00 V, max =  +4.08 V)
 Vbat: +3.15 V
 fan1:3139 RPM  (min =0 RPM)
 fan2:   0 RPM  (min =0 RPM)
 fan3:   0 RPM  (min =0 RPM)
 fan5:   0 RPM  (min =0 RPM)
 temp1:+35.0°C  (low  = +127.0°C, high = +127.0°C)  sensor =
 thermistor
 temp2:+51.0°C  (low  = +127.0°C, high = +127.0°C)  sensor =
 thermal diode
 temp3:+52.0°C  (low  = +127.0°C, high = +127.0°C)  sensor =
 thermistor
 cpu0_vid:+1.050 V
 intrusion0:  ALARM

 k10temp-pci-00c3
 Adapter: PCI adapter
 temp1:+48.8°C  (high = +70.0°C)
(crit = +72.0°C, hyst = +70.0°C)

 bmike1@MikesBeast ~ $


 Cool I do have a video card after all!

 On Thu, Nov 2, 2017 at 5:19 PM, Jerry Snitselaar 
 wrote:

> On Wed Nov 01 17, Michael wrote:
>
>> so what command do I execute to utilize the probe?
>>
>>
> modprobe k10temp
>
> and then check the output of the sensors command
>
>
> On Tue, Oct 31, 2017 at 8:58 PM, Michael  wrote:
>>
>> it is there:
>>> $ modinfo k10temp
>>> filename:   /lib/modules/4.4.0-53-generic/kernel/drivers/hwmon/
>>> k10temp.ko
>>> license:GPL
>>> author: Clemens Ladisch 
>>> description:AMD Family 10h+ CPU core temperature monitor
>>> srcversion: 4BBE5D56D6917F9D3D415AA
>>> alias:  pci:v1022d1583sv*sd*bc*sc*i*
>>> alias:  pci:v1022d1533sv*sd*bc*sc*i*
>>> alias:  pci:v1022d1573sv*sd*bc*sc*i*
>>> alias:  pci:v1022d141Dsv*sd*bc*sc*i*
>>> alias:  pci:v1022d1403sv*sd*bc*sc*i*
>>> alias:  pci:v1022d1603sv*sd*bc*sc*i*
>>> alias:  pci:v1022d1703sv*sd*bc*sc*i*
>>> alias:  pci:v1022d1303sv*sd*bc*sc*i*
>>> alias:  pci:v1022d1203sv*sd*bc*sc*i*
>>> depends:
>>> intree: Y
>>> vermagic:   4.4.0-53-generic SMP mod_unload modversions
>>> parm:   force:force loading on processors with erratum 319
>>> (bool)
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tue, Oct 31, 2017 at 4:44 PM, Jerry Snitselaar <
>>> d...@snitselaar.org>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> On Tue Oct 31 17, Michael wrote:

 Sorry to say but yes it is.
>
> $ lscpu
> Architecture:  x86_64
> CPU op-mode(s):32-bit, 64-bit
> 

Re: computer slow

[Brien Dieterle]

   +72.0°C
>>>>
>>>> k10temp-pci-00c3
>>>> Adapter: PCI adapter
>>>> temp1:+50.0°C  (high = +70.0°C)
>>>>(crit = +72.0°C, hyst = +70.0°C)
>>>>
>>>> bmike1@MikesBeast ~ $ sensors
>>>> radeon-pci-0100
>>>> Adapter: PCI adapter
>>>> temp1:+73.0°C
>>>>
>>>> k10temp-pci-00c3
>>>> Adapter: PCI adapter
>>>> temp1:+50.5°C  (high = +70.0°C)
>>>>(crit = +72.0°C, hyst = +70.0°C)
>>>>
>>>> bmike1@MikesBeast ~ $ sensors
>>>> radeon-pci-0100
>>>> Adapter: PCI adapter
>>>> temp1:+72.5°C
>>>>
>>>> k10temp-pci-00c3
>>>> Adapter: PCI adapter
>>>> temp1:+49.5°C  (high = +70.0°C)
>>>>(crit = +72.0°C, hyst = +70.0°C)
>>>>
>>>> Not bad about a 2C drop
>>>>
>>>> Now we crash it!
>>>> See you on the other side!
>>>>
>>>> On Mon, Oct 30, 2017 at 8:35 PM, Michael <bmi...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> 'coo' is supposed to read 'cool' as in not shorts temperature
>>>>>
>>>>> On Mon, Oct 30, 2017 at 8:33 PM, Michael <bmi...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> I'm just about to take a reading and then run stress again. It is
>>>>>> pretty coo, in here so not sure if a fan would do any good.
>>>>>>  $ sensors
>>>>>> radeon-pci-0100
>>>>>> Adapter: PCI adapter
>>>>>> temp1:+74.5°C
>>>>>>
>>>>>> k10temp-pci-00c3
>>>>>> Adapter: PCI adapter
>>>>>> temp1:+51.6°C  (high = +70.0°C)
>>>>>>(crit = +72.0°C, hyst = +70.0°C)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> want me to crash it now?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Mon, Oct 30, 2017 at 8:30 PM, Brien Dieterle <bri...@gmail.com>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Well, those temperatures are not that hot, but that doesn't mean
>>>>>>> some cooling wouldn't improve things.
>>>>>>> Have you popped the case off and pointed a big fan in there and
>>>>>>> tried to reproduce the crash yet?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Mon, Oct 30, 2017 at 5:21 PM, Michael <bmi...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Here is around 180 seconds of readings at around 10 second
>>>>>>>> intervals (if it helps):
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>  $ sensors
>>>>>>>> radeon-pci-0100
>>>>>>>> Adapter: PCI adapter
>>>>>>>> temp1:+74.5°C
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> k10temp-pci-00c3
>>>>>>>> Adapter: PCI adapter
>>>>>>>> temp1:+51.5°C  (high = +70.0°C)
>>>>>>>>(crit = +72.0°C, hyst = +70.0°C)
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> bmike1@MikesBeast ~ $ sensors
>>>>>>>> radeon-pci-0100
>>>>>>>> Adapter: PCI adapter
>>>>>>>> temp1:+75.5°C
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> k10temp-pci-00c3
>>>>>>>> Adapter: PCI adapter
>>>>>>>> temp1:+51.0°C  (high = +70.0°C)
>>>>>>>>(crit = +72.0°C, hyst = +70.0°C)
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> bmike1@MikesBeast ~ $ sensors
>>>>>>>> radeon-pci-0100
>>>>>>>> Adapter: PCI adapter
>>>>>>>> temp1:+75.5°C
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> k10temp-pci-00c3
>>>>>>>> Adapter: PCI adapter
>>>>>>>> temp1:+51.0°C  (high = +70.0°C)
>>>>>>>>(crit = +72.0°C, hyst = +70.0°C)
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> bmike1@MikesBeast ~ $ sensors
>>>>>>>> radeon-pci-0100
>>>>>>>> Adapter: PCI adapter
>>>>>>>> temp1:+75.5°C
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> k10temp

Re: computer slow

[Brien Dieterle]

Well, those temperatures are not that hot, but that doesn't mean some
cooling wouldn't improve things.
Have you popped the case off and pointed a big fan in there and tried to
reproduce the crash yet?

On Mon, Oct 30, 2017 at 5:21 PM, Michael <bmi...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Here is around 180 seconds of readings at around 10 second intervals (if
> it helps):
>
>  $ sensors
> radeon-pci-0100
> Adapter: PCI adapter
> temp1:+74.5°C
>
> k10temp-pci-00c3
> Adapter: PCI adapter
> temp1:+51.5°C  (high = +70.0°C)
>(crit = +72.0°C, hyst = +70.0°C)
>
> bmike1@MikesBeast ~ $ sensors
> radeon-pci-0100
> Adapter: PCI adapter
> temp1:+75.5°C
>
> k10temp-pci-00c3
> Adapter: PCI adapter
> temp1:+51.0°C  (high = +70.0°C)
>(crit = +72.0°C, hyst = +70.0°C)
>
> bmike1@MikesBeast ~ $ sensors
> radeon-pci-0100
> Adapter: PCI adapter
> temp1:+75.5°C
>
> k10temp-pci-00c3
> Adapter: PCI adapter
> temp1:+51.0°C  (high = +70.0°C)
>(crit = +72.0°C, hyst = +70.0°C)
>
> bmike1@MikesBeast ~ $ sensors
> radeon-pci-0100
> Adapter: PCI adapter
> temp1:+75.5°C
>
> k10temp-pci-00c3
> Adapter: PCI adapter
> temp1:+51.4°C  (high = +70.0°C)
>(crit = +72.0°C, hyst = +70.0°C)
>
> bmike1@MikesBeast ~ $ sensors
> radeon-pci-0100
> Adapter: PCI adapter
> temp1:+75.0°C
>
> k10temp-pci-00c3
> Adapter: PCI adapter
> temp1:+51.2°C  (high = +70.0°C)
>(crit = +72.0°C, hyst = +70.0°C)
>
> bmike1@MikesBeast ~ $ sensors
> radeon-pci-0100
> Adapter: PCI adapter
> temp1:+75.5°C
>
> k10temp-pci-00c3
> Adapter: PCI adapter
> temp1:+51.0°C  (high = +70.0°C)
>(crit = +72.0°C, hyst = +70.0°C)
>
> bmike1@MikesBeast ~ $ sensors
> radeon-pci-0100
> Adapter: PCI adapter
> temp1:+75.5°C
>
> k10temp-pci-00c3
> Adapter: PCI adapter
> temp1:+51.5°C  (high = +70.0°C)
>(crit = +72.0°C, hyst = +70.0°C)
>
> bmike1@MikesBeast ~ $ sensors
> radeon-pci-0100
> Adapter: PCI adapter
> temp1:+75.0°C
>
> k10temp-pci-00c3
> Adapter: PCI adapter
> temp1:+50.9°C  (high = +70.0°C)
>(crit = +72.0°C, hyst = +70.0°C)
>
> bmike1@MikesBeast ~ $ sensors
> radeon-pci-0100
> Adapter: PCI adapter
> temp1:+75.5°C
>
> k10temp-pci-00c3
> Adapter: PCI adapter
> temp1:+53.6°C  (high = +70.0°C)
>(crit = +72.0°C, hyst = +70.0°C)
>
> bmike1@MikesBeast ~ $ sensors
> radeon-pci-0100
> Adapter: PCI adapter
> temp1:+75.0°C
>
> k10temp-pci-00c3
> Adapter: PCI adapter
> temp1:+52.4°C  (high = +70.0°C)
>(crit = +72.0°C, hyst = +70.0°C)
>
> bmike1@MikesBeast ~ $ sensors
> radeon-pci-0100
> Adapter: PCI adapter
> temp1:+75.0°C
>
> k10temp-pci-00c3
> Adapter: PCI adapter
> temp1:+51.8°C  (high = +70.0°C)
>(crit = +72.0°C, hyst = +70.0°C)
>
> bmike1@MikesBeast ~ $ sensors
> radeon-pci-0100
> Adapter: PCI adapter
> temp1:+74.5°C
>
> k10temp-pci-00c3
> Adapter: PCI adapter
> temp1:+51.1°C  (high = +70.0°C)
>(crit = +72.0°C, hyst = +70.0°C)
>
> bmike1@MikesBeast ~ $ sensors
> radeon-pci-0100
> Adapter: PCI adapter
> temp1:+74.5°C
>
> k10temp-pci-00c3
> Adapter: PCI adapter
> temp1:+51.0°C  (high = +70.0°C)
>(crit = +72.0°C, hyst = +70.0°C)
>
> bmike1@MikesBeast ~ $ sensors
> radeon-pci-0100
> Adapter: PCI adapter
> temp1:+74.5°C
>
> k10temp-pci-00c3
> Adapter: PCI adapter
> temp1:+52.0°C  (high = +70.0°C)
>(crit = +72.0°C, hyst = +70.0°C)
>
> bmike1@MikesBeast ~ $ sensors
> radeon-pci-0100
> Adapter: PCI adapter
> temp1:+74.0°C
>
> k10temp-pci-00c3
> Adapter: PCI adapter
> temp1:+50.6°C  (high = +70.0°C)
>(crit = +72.0°C, hyst = +70.0°C)
>
> bmike1@MikesBeast ~ $ sensors
> radeon-pci-0100
> Adapter: PCI adapter
> temp1:+74.5°C
>
> k10temp-pci-00c3
> Adapter: PCI adapter
> temp1:+51.4°C  (high = +70.0°C)
>(crit = +72.0°C, hyst = +70.0°C)
>
> bmike1@MikesBeast ~ $ sensors
> radeon-pci-0100
> Adapter: PCI adapter
> temp1:+75.0°C
>
> k10temp-pci-00c3
> Adapter: PCI adapter
> temp1:+51.8°C  (high = +70.0°C)
>(crit = +72.0°C, hyst = +70.0°C)
>

Re: computer slow

[Brien Dieterle]

30 mins is plenty for a test.  Try to get sensors output just before a crash

On Mon, Oct 30, 2017 at 4:25 PM, Michael <bmi...@gmail.com> wrote:

> how long do you want me to run glmark2 for? Forever is not feasible!
>
> On Mon, Oct 30, 2017 at 7:22 PM, Michael <bmi...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> as for the shutoff point everything that had anything to do with cutting
>> power was already diabled
>>
>> On Mon, Oct 30, 2017 at 7:20 PM, Michael <bmi...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>>  $ sensors
>>> radeon-pci-0100
>>> Adapter: PCI adapter
>>> temp1:+68.0°C
>>>
>>> k10temp-pci-00c3
>>> Adapter: PCI adapter
>>> temp1:    +45.1°C  (high = +70.0°C)
>>>(crit = +72.0°C, hyst = +70.0°C)
>>>
>>>
>>> On Mon, Oct 30, 2017 at 7:07 PM, Brien Dieterle <bri...@gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Well, it might be protecting your computer but if it is too low it will
>>>> just be annoying.
>>>> You still need to run sensors and get those numbers if you haven't yet:
>>>>
>>>> https://askubuntu.com/questions/15832/how-do-i-get-the-cpu-temperature
>>>>
>>>> If your machine is legitimately overheating you need to address that
>>>> with fans and ventilation, etc.
>>>>
>>>> On Mon, Oct 30, 2017 at 3:59 PM, Michael <bmi...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> if there is a shutoff point you did say disable it?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Mon, Oct 30, 2017 at 6:56 PM, Brien Dieterle <bri...@gmail.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Well, you're on the right track.  Try to isolate whether glmark alone
>>>>>> can crash it, or if you need stress as well.   Then try opening up your
>>>>>> case and point a fan in there.
>>>>>> Also don't forget to check the BIOS for thermal management events
>>>>>> that might be causing the shutdown/reboot.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Mon, Oct 30, 2017 at 3:52 PM, Michael <bmi...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> never mind. I ran glmark around 5 minutes and then stress. that
>>>>>>> crashed the machine! Not a nice reboot (like what it does with dt) but a
>>>>>>> power failure outage,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Mon, Oct 30, 2017 at 6:41 PM, Michael <bmi...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> and if glmark2 doesn't crash it run stress the same amount of time?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Mon, Oct 30, 2017 at 6:37 PM, Michael <bmi...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> how long do I let glmark2's pretty horse rotate?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Mon, Oct 30, 2017 at 6:36 PM, Michael <bmi...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> okay
>>>>>>>>>> `
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, Oct 30, 2017 at 6:10 PM, Brien Dieterle <bri...@gmail.com
>>>>>>>>>> > wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> I'd wait.   If stress alone doesn't crash, run glmark2 by
>>>>>>>>>>> itself.  If glmark2 doesn't crash, run them both at the same time.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, Oct 30, 2017 at 3:01 PM, Michael <bmi...@gmail.com>
>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> run this now or after stress completes?
>>>>>>>>>>>> ?
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, Oct 30, 2017 at 5:59 PM, Brien Dieterle <
>>>>>>>>>>>> bri...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Well, not yet ;-).   If it doesn't crash, you might need to
>>>>>>>>>>>>> stress the graphics card as well with one of these tools:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://w

Re: computer slow

[Brien Dieterle]

Well, it might be protecting your computer but if it is too low it will
just be annoying.
You still need to run sensors and get those numbers if you haven't yet:

https://askubuntu.com/questions/15832/how-do-i-get-the-cpu-temperature

If your machine is legitimately overheating you need to address that with
fans and ventilation, etc.

On Mon, Oct 30, 2017 at 3:59 PM, Michael <bmi...@gmail.com> wrote:

> if there is a shutoff point you did say disable it?
>
>
> On Mon, Oct 30, 2017 at 6:56 PM, Brien Dieterle <bri...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Well, you're on the right track.  Try to isolate whether glmark alone can
>> crash it, or if you need stress as well.   Then try opening up your case
>> and point a fan in there.
>> Also don't forget to check the BIOS for thermal management events that
>> might be causing the shutdown/reboot.
>>
>> On Mon, Oct 30, 2017 at 3:52 PM, Michael <bmi...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> never mind. I ran glmark around 5 minutes and then stress. that
>>> crashed the machine! Not a nice reboot (like what it does with dt) but a
>>> power failure outage,
>>>
>>> On Mon, Oct 30, 2017 at 6:41 PM, Michael <bmi...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> and if glmark2 doesn't crash it run stress the same amount of time?
>>>>
>>>> On Mon, Oct 30, 2017 at 6:37 PM, Michael <bmi...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> how long do I let glmark2's pretty horse rotate?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Mon, Oct 30, 2017 at 6:36 PM, Michael <bmi...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> okay
>>>>>> `
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Mon, Oct 30, 2017 at 6:10 PM, Brien Dieterle <bri...@gmail.com>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I'd wait.   If stress alone doesn't crash, run glmark2 by itself.
>>>>>>> If glmark2 doesn't crash, run them both at the same time.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Mon, Oct 30, 2017 at 3:01 PM, Michael <bmi...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> run this now or after stress completes?
>>>>>>>> ?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Mon, Oct 30, 2017 at 5:59 PM, Brien Dieterle <bri...@gmail.com>
>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Well, not yet ;-).   If it doesn't crash, you might need to stress
>>>>>>>>> the graphics card as well with one of these tools:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> https://www.pcsuggest.com/gpu-benchmarking-and-stress-testin
>>>>>>>>> g-in-linux/
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> So maybe kick off both stress and
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> glmark2 --run-forever
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Mon, Oct 30, 2017 at 2:55 PM, Michael <bmi...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> if it doesn't crash I'll start hounding the darktable forums.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, Oct 30, 2017 at 5:45 PM, Michael <bmi...@gmail.com>
>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Just started. lets see what happens
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, Oct 30, 2017 at 5:36 PM, Brien Dieterle <
>>>>>>>>>>> bri...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Forget darktable for now.  Did you run stress test for more
>>>>>>>>>>>> than 10 seconds?
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> This will run a stress test for 30 minutes:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> stress --cpu 8 --io 4 --vm 2  --hdd 2 --timeout 1800s
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> If you can get it to crash with just this stress program, then
>>>>>>>>>>>> it has nothing to do with darktable
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>&

Re: computer slow

[Brien Dieterle]

Well, you're on the right track.  Try to isolate whether glmark alone can
crash it, or if you need stress as well.   Then try opening up your case
and point a fan in there.
Also don't forget to check the BIOS for thermal management events that
might be causing the shutdown/reboot.

On Mon, Oct 30, 2017 at 3:52 PM, Michael <bmi...@gmail.com> wrote:

> never mind. I ran glmark around 5 minutes and then stress. that
> crashed the machine! Not a nice reboot (like what it does with dt) but a
> power failure outage,
>
> On Mon, Oct 30, 2017 at 6:41 PM, Michael <bmi...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> and if glmark2 doesn't crash it run stress the same amount of time?
>>
>> On Mon, Oct 30, 2017 at 6:37 PM, Michael <bmi...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> how long do I let glmark2's pretty horse rotate?
>>>
>>>
>>> On Mon, Oct 30, 2017 at 6:36 PM, Michael <bmi...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> okay
>>>> `
>>>>
>>>> On Mon, Oct 30, 2017 at 6:10 PM, Brien Dieterle <bri...@gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I'd wait.   If stress alone doesn't crash, run glmark2 by itself.  If
>>>>> glmark2 doesn't crash, run them both at the same time.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Mon, Oct 30, 2017 at 3:01 PM, Michael <bmi...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> run this now or after stress completes?
>>>>>> ?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Mon, Oct 30, 2017 at 5:59 PM, Brien Dieterle <bri...@gmail.com>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Well, not yet ;-).   If it doesn't crash, you might need to stress
>>>>>>> the graphics card as well with one of these tools:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> https://www.pcsuggest.com/gpu-benchmarking-and-stress-testin
>>>>>>> g-in-linux/
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> So maybe kick off both stress and
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> glmark2 --run-forever
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Mon, Oct 30, 2017 at 2:55 PM, Michael <bmi...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> if it doesn't crash I'll start hounding the darktable forums.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Mon, Oct 30, 2017 at 5:45 PM, Michael <bmi...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Just started. lets see what happens
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Mon, Oct 30, 2017 at 5:36 PM, Brien Dieterle <bri...@gmail.com>
>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Forget darktable for now.  Did you run stress test for more than
>>>>>>>>>> 10 seconds?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> This will run a stress test for 30 minutes:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> stress --cpu 8 --io 4 --vm 2  --hdd 2 --timeout 1800s
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> If you can get it to crash with just this stress program, then it
>>>>>>>>>> has nothing to do with darktable
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, Oct 30, 2017 at 2:24 PM, Michael <bmi...@gmail.com>
>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> I have no sensors running and as for it panicing when warm
>>>>>>>>>>> sometimes it panics after I run dt 2 minutes after it had been shut 
>>>>>>>>>>> down an
>>>>>>>>>>> hour  and doesn't panic even though dt had run10 minutes.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, Oct 30, 2017 at 4:31 PM, Brien Dieterle <
>>>>>>>>>>> bri...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Check your bios settings for hardware monitoring and
>>>>>>>>>>>> temperature limits.  You may have it set with a maximum 
>>>>>>>>>>>> temperature so the
>>>>>>>>>>>> machine panics when it's just warm.
>>>>>>>>

Re: computer slow

[Brien Dieterle]

well, then run both stress AND glmark2 for like 20 minutes.

If that doesn't crash it, look for some other graphical programs like an
openGL game.  There should be a package to install Nexuiz/Xonotic

That'll give you an excuse to play videogames for a bit.

If ONLY darktable makes your computer crash, then maybe it really does have
something to do with darktable and your GPU and openCL, etc

On Mon, Oct 30, 2017 at 3:41 PM, Michael <bmi...@gmail.com> wrote:

> and if glmark2 doesn't crash it run stress the same amount of time?
>
> On Mon, Oct 30, 2017 at 6:37 PM, Michael <bmi...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> how long do I let glmark2's pretty horse rotate?
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Oct 30, 2017 at 6:36 PM, Michael <bmi...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> okay
>>> `
>>>
>>> On Mon, Oct 30, 2017 at 6:10 PM, Brien Dieterle <bri...@gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> I'd wait.   If stress alone doesn't crash, run glmark2 by itself.  If
>>>> glmark2 doesn't crash, run them both at the same time.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Mon, Oct 30, 2017 at 3:01 PM, Michael <bmi...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> run this now or after stress completes?
>>>>> ?
>>>>>
>>>>> On Mon, Oct 30, 2017 at 5:59 PM, Brien Dieterle <bri...@gmail.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Well, not yet ;-).   If it doesn't crash, you might need to stress
>>>>>> the graphics card as well with one of these tools:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> https://www.pcsuggest.com/gpu-benchmarking-and-stress-testin
>>>>>> g-in-linux/
>>>>>>
>>>>>> So maybe kick off both stress and
>>>>>>
>>>>>> glmark2 --run-forever
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Mon, Oct 30, 2017 at 2:55 PM, Michael <bmi...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> if it doesn't crash I'll start hounding the darktable forums.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Mon, Oct 30, 2017 at 5:45 PM, Michael <bmi...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Just started. lets see what happens
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Mon, Oct 30, 2017 at 5:36 PM, Brien Dieterle <bri...@gmail.com>
>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Forget darktable for now.  Did you run stress test for more than
>>>>>>>>> 10 seconds?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> This will run a stress test for 30 minutes:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> stress --cpu 8 --io 4 --vm 2  --hdd 2 --timeout 1800s
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> If you can get it to crash with just this stress program, then it
>>>>>>>>> has nothing to do with darktable
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Mon, Oct 30, 2017 at 2:24 PM, Michael <bmi...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I have no sensors running and as for it panicing when warm
>>>>>>>>>> sometimes it panics after I run dt 2 minutes after it had been shut 
>>>>>>>>>> down an
>>>>>>>>>> hour  and doesn't panic even though dt had run10 minutes.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, Oct 30, 2017 at 4:31 PM, Brien Dieterle <bri...@gmail.com
>>>>>>>>>> > wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Check your bios settings for hardware monitoring and temperature
>>>>>>>>>>> limits.  You may have it set with a maximum temperature so the 
>>>>>>>>>>> machine
>>>>>>>>>>> panics when it's just warm.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Try raising this number or disabling the feature entirely
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> But first check your sensors by installing a temperature
>>>>>>>>>>> monitoring program
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On Oct 30, 2017 1:04 PM, "Michael" <bmi...@gmail.com> wrot

Re: computer slow

[Brien Dieterle]

I'd wait.   If stress alone doesn't crash, run glmark2 by itself.  If
glmark2 doesn't crash, run them both at the same time.


On Mon, Oct 30, 2017 at 3:01 PM, Michael <bmi...@gmail.com> wrote:

> run this now or after stress completes?
> ?
>
> On Mon, Oct 30, 2017 at 5:59 PM, Brien Dieterle <bri...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Well, not yet ;-).   If it doesn't crash, you might need to stress the
>> graphics card as well with one of these tools:
>>
>> https://www.pcsuggest.com/gpu-benchmarking-and-stress-testing-in-linux/
>>
>> So maybe kick off both stress and
>>
>> glmark2 --run-forever
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Oct 30, 2017 at 2:55 PM, Michael <bmi...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> if it doesn't crash I'll start hounding the darktable forums.
>>>
>>> On Mon, Oct 30, 2017 at 5:45 PM, Michael <bmi...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Just started. lets see what happens
>>>>
>>>> On Mon, Oct 30, 2017 at 5:36 PM, Brien Dieterle <bri...@gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Forget darktable for now.  Did you run stress test for more than 10
>>>>> seconds?
>>>>>
>>>>> This will run a stress test for 30 minutes:
>>>>>
>>>>> stress --cpu 8 --io 4 --vm 2  --hdd 2 --timeout 1800s
>>>>>
>>>>> If you can get it to crash with just this stress program, then it has
>>>>> nothing to do with darktable
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Mon, Oct 30, 2017 at 2:24 PM, Michael <bmi...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> I have no sensors running and as for it panicing when warm sometimes
>>>>>> it panics after I run dt 2 minutes after it had been shut down an hour  
>>>>>> and
>>>>>> doesn't panic even though dt had run10 minutes.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Mon, Oct 30, 2017 at 4:31 PM, Brien Dieterle <bri...@gmail.com>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Check your bios settings for hardware monitoring and temperature
>>>>>>> limits.  You may have it set with a maximum temperature so the machine
>>>>>>> panics when it's just warm.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Try raising this number or disabling the feature entirely
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> But first check your sensors by installing a temperature monitoring
>>>>>>> program
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Oct 30, 2017 1:04 PM, "Michael" <bmi...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> it is sooo ify! I just ran it for like 10 minutes with no crashes
>>>>>>>> whereas before I had just started the computer and ran dt for 2 
>>>>>>>> minutes and
>>>>>>>> it crashed. Then I restarted and I had a repeat performance of the 2 
>>>>>>>> minute
>>>>>>>> thing.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Mon, Oct 30, 2017 at 3:38 PM, Michael <bmi...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>  $ stress --cpu 8 --io 4 --vm 2 --vm-bytes 128M --timeout 10s
>>>>>>>>> stress: info: [7571] dispatching hogs: 8 cpu, 4 io, 2 vm, 0 hdd
>>>>>>>>> stress: info: [7571] successful run completed in 10s
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>  I don't know what that was suppossed to tell me but there it is.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Mon, Oct 30, 2017 at 3:36 PM, Michael <bmi...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I am experiencing no slowness. It is like the days where you had
>>>>>>>>>> a power switch on the back of your computer... or it is like a hard 
>>>>>>>>>> reboot.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, Oct 30, 2017 at 3:33 PM, Stephen Partington <
>>>>>>>>>> cryptwo...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> OpenCL in darktable mainly impacts rendering. it should have no
>>>>>>>>>>> effect on on system or ram consumption unless you are experiencing 
>>>>>>>>>>> slowness
>>>>>>>>>&g

Re: computer slow

[Brien Dieterle]

Well, not yet ;-).   If it doesn't crash, you might need to stress the
graphics card as well with one of these tools:

https://www.pcsuggest.com/gpu-benchmarking-and-stress-testing-in-linux/

So maybe kick off both stress and

glmark2 --run-forever


On Mon, Oct 30, 2017 at 2:55 PM, Michael <bmi...@gmail.com> wrote:

> if it doesn't crash I'll start hounding the darktable forums.
>
> On Mon, Oct 30, 2017 at 5:45 PM, Michael <bmi...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Just started. lets see what happens
>>
>> On Mon, Oct 30, 2017 at 5:36 PM, Brien Dieterle <bri...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Forget darktable for now.  Did you run stress test for more than 10
>>> seconds?
>>>
>>> This will run a stress test for 30 minutes:
>>>
>>> stress --cpu 8 --io 4 --vm 2  --hdd 2 --timeout 1800s
>>>
>>> If you can get it to crash with just this stress program, then it has
>>> nothing to do with darktable
>>>
>>>
>>> On Mon, Oct 30, 2017 at 2:24 PM, Michael <bmi...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> I have no sensors running and as for it panicing when warm sometimes it
>>>> panics after I run dt 2 minutes after it had been shut down an hour  and
>>>> doesn't panic even though dt had run10 minutes.
>>>>
>>>> On Mon, Oct 30, 2017 at 4:31 PM, Brien Dieterle <bri...@gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Check your bios settings for hardware monitoring and temperature
>>>>> limits.  You may have it set with a maximum temperature so the machine
>>>>> panics when it's just warm.
>>>>>
>>>>> Try raising this number or disabling the feature entirely
>>>>>
>>>>> But first check your sensors by installing a temperature monitoring
>>>>> program
>>>>>
>>>>> On Oct 30, 2017 1:04 PM, "Michael" <bmi...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> it is sooo ify! I just ran it for like 10 minutes with no crashes
>>>>>> whereas before I had just started the computer and ran dt for 2 minutes 
>>>>>> and
>>>>>> it crashed. Then I restarted and I had a repeat performance of the 2 
>>>>>> minute
>>>>>> thing.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Mon, Oct 30, 2017 at 3:38 PM, Michael <bmi...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>  $ stress --cpu 8 --io 4 --vm 2 --vm-bytes 128M --timeout 10s
>>>>>>> stress: info: [7571] dispatching hogs: 8 cpu, 4 io, 2 vm, 0 hdd
>>>>>>> stress: info: [7571] successful run completed in 10s
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>  I don't know what that was suppossed to tell me but there it is.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Mon, Oct 30, 2017 at 3:36 PM, Michael <bmi...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I am experiencing no slowness. It is like the days where you had a
>>>>>>>> power switch on the back of your computer... or it is like a hard 
>>>>>>>> reboot.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Mon, Oct 30, 2017 at 3:33 PM, Stephen Partington <
>>>>>>>> cryptwo...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> OpenCL in darktable mainly impacts rendering. it should have no
>>>>>>>>> effect on on system or ram consumption unless you are experiencing 
>>>>>>>>> slowness
>>>>>>>>> during render cycles.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Mon, Oct 30, 2017 at 12:21 PM, Michael <bmi...@gmail.com>
>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> You know I'm having trouble running darktable. It seems that
>>>>>>>>>> after I start it it runs a few minutes and then reboots the computer.
>>>>>>>>>> Probably because I do not have a GPU (I don't think). Then I saw this
>>>>>>>>>> thread and thought that I'd give that a try. So it seems I can not 
>>>>>>>>>> run
>>>>>>>>>> chrome and darktable at the same time.
>>>>>>>>>> ___
>>>>>>>>>> 'lspci' shows that my graphics card is :
>>>>>>>>>> 01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: Advanced

Re: computer slow

[Brien Dieterle]

Forget darktable for now.  Did you run stress test for more than 10 seconds?

This will run a stress test for 30 minutes:

stress --cpu 8 --io 4 --vm 2  --hdd 2 --timeout 1800s

If you can get it to crash with just this stress program, then it has
nothing to do with darktable


On Mon, Oct 30, 2017 at 2:24 PM, Michael <bmi...@gmail.com> wrote:

> I have no sensors running and as for it panicing when warm sometimes it
> panics after I run dt 2 minutes after it had been shut down an hour  and
> doesn't panic even though dt had run10 minutes.
>
> On Mon, Oct 30, 2017 at 4:31 PM, Brien Dieterle <bri...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Check your bios settings for hardware monitoring and temperature limits.
>> You may have it set with a maximum temperature so the machine panics when
>> it's just warm.
>>
>> Try raising this number or disabling the feature entirely
>>
>> But first check your sensors by installing a temperature monitoring
>> program
>>
>> On Oct 30, 2017 1:04 PM, "Michael" <bmi...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> it is sooo ify! I just ran it for like 10 minutes with no crashes
>>> whereas before I had just started the computer and ran dt for 2 minutes and
>>> it crashed. Then I restarted and I had a repeat performance of the 2 minute
>>> thing.
>>>
>>> On Mon, Oct 30, 2017 at 3:38 PM, Michael <bmi...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>>  $ stress --cpu 8 --io 4 --vm 2 --vm-bytes 128M --timeout 10s
>>>> stress: info: [7571] dispatching hogs: 8 cpu, 4 io, 2 vm, 0 hdd
>>>> stress: info: [7571] successful run completed in 10s
>>>>
>>>>  I don't know what that was suppossed to tell me but there it is.
>>>>
>>>> On Mon, Oct 30, 2017 at 3:36 PM, Michael <bmi...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I am experiencing no slowness. It is like the days where you had a
>>>>> power switch on the back of your computer... or it is like a hard reboot.
>>>>>
>>>>> On Mon, Oct 30, 2017 at 3:33 PM, Stephen Partington <
>>>>> cryptwo...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> OpenCL in darktable mainly impacts rendering. it should have no
>>>>>> effect on on system or ram consumption unless you are experiencing 
>>>>>> slowness
>>>>>> during render cycles.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Mon, Oct 30, 2017 at 12:21 PM, Michael <bmi...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> You know I'm having trouble running darktable. It seems that
>>>>>>> after I start it it runs a few minutes and then reboots the computer.
>>>>>>> Probably because I do not have a GPU (I don't think). Then I saw this
>>>>>>> thread and thought that I'd give that a try. So it seems I can not run
>>>>>>> chrome and darktable at the same time.
>>>>>>> ___
>>>>>>> 'lspci' shows that my graphics card is :
>>>>>>> 01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc.
>>>>>>> [AMD/ATI] RV770 [Radeon HD 4850]
>>>>>>> and 'lspci|grep gpu' returned an empty set
>>>>>>> (if I did that correctly)
>>>>>>> so I suppose the cheapest way to fix this is to get a gpu
>>>>>>> correct?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Mon, Oct 30, 2017 at 12:09 PM, Carruth, Rusty <
>>>>>>> rusty.carr...@smartm.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> In my experience, it’s almost always Firefox taking all of memory.
>>>>>>>> (Or Chrome, or whatever web browser you’re using).
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I agree with Mr B, run top or htop and see what’s, well, on top ;-)
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Rusty
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> [image: SMART_HRS_RGB]
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Rusty Carruth | Customer Support | *rusty.carr...@smarth.com
>>>>>>>> <rusty.carr...@smarth.com>* | http://www.smarth.com
>>>>>>>>
>>>&g

Re: computer slow

[Brien Dieterle]

Check your bios settings for hardware monitoring and temperature limits.
You may have it set with a maximum temperature so the machine panics when
it's just warm.

Try raising this number or disabling the feature entirely

But first check your sensors by installing a temperature monitoring program

On Oct 30, 2017 1:04 PM, "Michael"  wrote:

> it is sooo ify! I just ran it for like 10 minutes with no crashes whereas
> before I had just started the computer and ran dt for 2 minutes and it
> crashed. Then I restarted and I had a repeat performance of the 2 minute
> thing.
>
> On Mon, Oct 30, 2017 at 3:38 PM, Michael  wrote:
>
>>  $ stress --cpu 8 --io 4 --vm 2 --vm-bytes 128M --timeout 10s
>> stress: info: [7571] dispatching hogs: 8 cpu, 4 io, 2 vm, 0 hdd
>> stress: info: [7571] successful run completed in 10s
>>
>>  I don't know what that was suppossed to tell me but there it is.
>>
>> On Mon, Oct 30, 2017 at 3:36 PM, Michael  wrote:
>>
>>> I am experiencing no slowness. It is like the days where you had a power
>>> switch on the back of your computer... or it is like a hard reboot.
>>>
>>> On Mon, Oct 30, 2017 at 3:33 PM, Stephen Partington <
>>> cryptwo...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
 OpenCL in darktable mainly impacts rendering. it should have no effect
 on on system or ram consumption unless you are experiencing slowness during
 render cycles.

 On Mon, Oct 30, 2017 at 12:21 PM, Michael  wrote:

> You know I'm having trouble running darktable. It seems that after
> I start it it runs a few minutes and then reboots the computer. Probably
> because I do not have a GPU (I don't think). Then I saw this thread and
> thought that I'd give that a try. So it seems I can not run chrome and
> darktable at the same time.
> ___
> 'lspci' shows that my graphics card is :
> 01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc.
> [AMD/ATI] RV770 [Radeon HD 4850]
> and 'lspci|grep gpu' returned an empty set
> (if I did that correctly)
> so I suppose the cheapest way to fix this is to get a gpu correct?
>
> On Mon, Oct 30, 2017 at 12:09 PM, Carruth, Rusty <
> rusty.carr...@smartm.com> wrote:
>
>> In my experience, it’s almost always Firefox taking all of memory.
>> (Or Chrome, or whatever web browser you’re using).
>>
>>
>>
>> I agree with Mr B, run top or htop and see what’s, well, on top ;-)
>>
>>
>>
>> Rusty
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> [image: SMART_HRS_RGB]
>>
>>
>>
>> Rusty Carruth | Customer Support | *rusty.carr...@smarth.com
>> * | http://www.smarth.com
>>
>>
>>
>>   [image: linkedin] 
>>[image: twitter] See the new M4[image:
>> cid:image004.jpg@01D348E7.AF930710]
>> 
>>
>>
>>
>> See us on Storage Searchhttp://www.storagesearch.com/smart2.html
>>
>>
>>
>> 510-624-5391 <(510)%20624-5391>   | Fax: 480-926-5579
>> <(480)%20926-5579>   | 1325 N. Fiesta Blvd.  Suite 101 Gilbert, Az.
>> 85233
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* PLUG-discuss [mailto:plug-discuss-boun...@lists.phxlinux.org]
>> *On Behalf Of *Michael Butash
>> *Sent:* Sunday, October 29, 2017 10:05 AM
>> *To:* Main PLUG discussion list
>> *Subject:* Re: computer slow
>>
>>
>>
>> If I ever have that, it's usually because of something with a memory
>> leak, or desktop graphic compositing is degrading over time.
>>
>>
>>
>> Before you reboot, see if you can ssh into it from another computer
>> and check htop (or just top all you have), see if something is consuming
>> all your memory or cpu.
>>
>>
>>
>> Desktop compositors are all shite from what I can tell (including
>> windoze), they're all just a varying degree of broken when you push them,
>> or just have a slow (or buggy) video card.  Depending on your desktop
>> environment of choice, try turning down graphics options, or disabling 
>> the
>> compositor all together to see if it helps stability.
>>
>>
>>
>> -mb
>>
>>
>>
>> On Sun, Oct 29, 2017 at 3:41 AM, Michael  wrote:
>>
>> I'm almost certain that in my bag of tricks I had instructions on
>> 'resetting' my computer when it started acting weird but I can't find 
>> them.
>> Riddle me this: I try to leave the computer on 24/7 (maybe I shouldn't do
>> that) and twice so far I come up to it and it is non-responsive or really
>> slow to respond. Anyone know how to fix this?
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>>
>> 

Re: computer slow

[Brien Dieterle]

Sounds more like general overheating

apt install stress
man stress

On Mon, Oct 30, 2017 at 12:21 PM, Michael  wrote:

> You know I'm having trouble running darktable. It seems that after I
> start it it runs a few minutes and then reboots the computer. Probably
> because I do not have a GPU (I don't think). Then I saw this thread and
> thought that I'd give that a try. So it seems I can not run chrome and
> darktable at the same time.
> ___
> 'lspci' shows that my graphics card is :
> 01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD/ATI]
> RV770 [Radeon HD 4850]
> and 'lspci|grep gpu' returned an empty set
> (if I did that correctly)
> so I suppose the cheapest way to fix this is to get a gpu correct?
>
> On Mon, Oct 30, 2017 at 12:09 PM, Carruth, Rusty  > wrote:
>
>> In my experience, it’s almost always Firefox taking all of memory. (Or
>> Chrome, or whatever web browser you’re using).
>>
>>
>>
>> I agree with Mr B, run top or htop and see what’s, well, on top ;-)
>>
>>
>>
>> Rusty
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> [image: SMART_HRS_RGB]
>>
>>
>>
>> Rusty Carruth | Customer Support | *rusty.carr...@smarth.com
>> * | http://www.smarth.com
>>
>>
>>
>>   [image: linkedin]    
>> [image:
>> twitter] See the new M4[image:
>> cid:image004.jpg@01D348E7.AF930710]
>> 
>>
>>
>>
>> See us on Storage Searchhttp://www.storagesearch.com/smart2.html
>>
>>
>>
>> 510-624-5391 <(510)%20624-5391>   | Fax: 480-926-5579 <(480)%20926-5579>
>> | 1325 N. Fiesta Blvd.  Suite 101 Gilbert, Az. 85233
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* PLUG-discuss [mailto:plug-discuss-boun...@lists.phxlinux.org] *On
>> Behalf Of *Michael Butash
>> *Sent:* Sunday, October 29, 2017 10:05 AM
>> *To:* Main PLUG discussion list
>> *Subject:* Re: computer slow
>>
>>
>>
>> If I ever have that, it's usually because of something with a memory
>> leak, or desktop graphic compositing is degrading over time.
>>
>>
>>
>> Before you reboot, see if you can ssh into it from another computer and
>> check htop (or just top all you have), see if something is consuming all
>> your memory or cpu.
>>
>>
>>
>> Desktop compositors are all shite from what I can tell (including
>> windoze), they're all just a varying degree of broken when you push them,
>> or just have a slow (or buggy) video card.  Depending on your desktop
>> environment of choice, try turning down graphics options, or disabling the
>> compositor all together to see if it helps stability.
>>
>>
>>
>> -mb
>>
>>
>>
>> On Sun, Oct 29, 2017 at 3:41 AM, Michael  wrote:
>>
>> I'm almost certain that in my bag of tricks I had instructions on
>> 'resetting' my computer when it started acting weird but I can't find them.
>> Riddle me this: I try to leave the computer on 24/7 (maybe I shouldn't do
>> that) and twice so far I come up to it and it is non-responsive or really
>> slow to respond. Anyone know how to fix this?
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>>
>> :-)~MIKE~(-:
>>
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Re: darktable and gimp

[Brien Dieterle]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lossless_compression#Graphics

Just use PNG :-D

On Sun, Oct 29, 2017 at 9:50 AM, Michael <bmi...@gmail.com> wrote:

> What are the lossless formats?
>
> On Oct 29, 2017 12:01 PM, "Brien Dieterle" <bri...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Yeah, even if your original image is jpg you need to save/export to a
>> lossless format after editing unless you are ok with some quality loss
>>
>> On Oct 29, 2017 8:57 AM, "Michael" <bmi...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>>  you mean what I export to in darktable?
>>>
>>> On Oct 29, 2017 11:43, "Brien Dieterle" <bri...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Use a lossless format, such as png
>>>>
>>>> On Oct 29, 2017 7:25 AM, "Michael" <bmi...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I was just moding a photo in darktable and zoomed in and found
>>>>> something that I didn't want visible. so I finished the dt edits and
>>>>> exported to jpg and opened it in gimp. I zoomed in to blur the items
>>>>> and I practically didn't have to do anything! the pixels were were all big
>>>>> and ugly after I zoomed in.
>>>>> --
>>>>> :-)~MIKE~(-:
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Re: darktable and gimp

[Brien Dieterle]

Yeah, even if your original image is jpg you need to save/export to a
lossless format after editing unless you are ok with some quality loss

On Oct 29, 2017 8:57 AM, "Michael" <bmi...@gmail.com> wrote:

>  you mean what I export to in darktable?
>
> On Oct 29, 2017 11:43, "Brien Dieterle" <bri...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Use a lossless format, such as png
>>
>> On Oct 29, 2017 7:25 AM, "Michael" <bmi...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> I was just moding a photo in darktable and zoomed in and found something
>>> that I didn't want visible. so I finished the dt edits and exported to jpg
>>> and opened it in gimp. I zoomed in to blur the items and I practically
>>> didn't have to do anything! the pixels were were all big and ugly after I
>>> zoomed in.
>>> --
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>>>
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Re: darktable and gimp

[Brien Dieterle]

Use a lossless format, such as png

On Oct 29, 2017 7:25 AM, "Michael"  wrote:

> I was just moding a photo in darktable and zoomed in and found something
> that I didn't want visible. so I finished the dt edits and exported to jpg
> and opened it in gimp. I zoomed in to blur the items and I practically
> didn't have to do anything! the pixels were were all big and ugly after I
> zoomed in.
> --
> :-)~MIKE~(-:
>
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Re: sporadic connectivity

[Brien Dieterle]

No it won't matter for you, just get whatever fits the slot you have

On Aug 12, 2017 5:33 AM, "Michael" <bmi...@gmail.com> wrote:

> maybe I'm confused is the pci-e standard new. From the photographs of
> it it looks to short to fit in the slots that are like that (the extension
> with two tabs that drop down). Like this:
> __
> |  |
> |  |
> |__   _ |
> |   |_|   |___ |
>
>  more to the point how many different pci cards are there? the one
> computer has NO room for more cards and I will need to remove a pci card
> but the main computer has a few free slots. one pci and a few of the other;
> are those pci-e?
>
> Well I just googled it  and it appears those are pci-e slots.Is it
> really that critical I have pci-e? I mean should I cancel my order and
> change it?
>
> On Fri, Aug 11, 2017 at 7:05 PM, Michael <bmi...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> I need two because I have two computers. the tv server and my work
>> horse.
>>
>> On Fri, Aug 11, 2017 at 6:58 PM, Michael Butash <mich...@butash.net>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Using 2 usb nics will not help here, in fact, it's just going to
>>> probably freak out your system.  Just don't do that as a friendly
>>> recommendation.
>>>
>>> Atheros and Realtek tend to have good linux support these days, I can't
>>> remember the last time I picked up a random usb stick and did NOT have it
>>> work.  Definitely better than 5-10 years ago with hacks and manual patching
>>> kernels.  If nothing else, figure out the vendor wifi chip the units have
>>> (the googles tend to find this with some persistence in searching), and
>>> then search that plus linux.
>>>
>>> Someone prior mentioned getting a usb nic with external antennas, I
>>> second that.  I have an atheros-based chip with dual antennas I got years
>>> ago I use for wireless surveys, you can unscrew those and put up a bigger
>>> gain antenna if needed, or an extension cable with a free-standing antenna
>>> if you want to get fancy.
>>>
>>> -mb
>>>
>>> On Fri, Aug 11, 2017 at 2:53 PM, Michael <bmi...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> well I decided on:
>>>> 2 of Netis WF2118 Wireless N 300Mbps PCI Adapter with Two 5dBi Antennas
>>>> and Low-profile Bracket
>>>> the price was right and they seem to work on Linux.
>>>>
>>>> On Fri, Aug 11, 2017 at 5:05 PM, Michael <bmi...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> What about
>>>>> https://www.thinkpenguin.com/gnu-linux/penguin-wireless-n-us
>>>>> b-adapter-gnu-linux-tpe-n150usb ?
>>>>> Will I likely have the same issue?
>>>>> I don't really want to spend $76 on two
>>>>> https://www.thinkpenguin.com/gnu-linux/penguin-wireless-n-pc
>>>>> i-card-v5-w-full-low-profile-brackets .
>>>>> And what is the difference between the previously mentioned donge and
>>>>> https://www.thinkpenguin.com/gnu-linux/penguin-wireless-g-usb-adapter
>>>>> ? I see one uses N and one uses G but what does that mean? google seems to
>>>>> imply n is better. So do you think two of the N dongles will fix the
>>>>> problem?
>>>>>
>>>>> On Fri, Aug 11, 2017 at 4:19 PM, Brien Dieterle <bri...@gmail.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Don't buy anything unless you can confirm it has 100% linux support.
>>>>>> The PCI version of that card says it has linux support, but PCIe version
>>>>>> looks suspicious.  I don't think PCIe cards will work in a PCI slot.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Just get a card from here:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> https://www.thinkpenguin.com/catalog/wireless-networking-gnulinux
>>>>>>
>>>>>> :-)
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Fri, Aug 11, 2017 at 1:03 PM, Michael <bmi...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I can't get a manufacturer from this on but it says it is a pci-e
>>>>>>> card.
>>>>>>> What do you think should I get it?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Thu, Aug 10, 2017 at 7:36 PM, Michael <bmi...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I hate it

Re: sporadic connectivity

[Brien Dieterle]

Don't buy anything unless you can confirm it has 100% linux support.  The
PCI version of that card says it has linux support, but PCIe version looks
suspicious.  I don't think PCIe cards will work in a PCI slot.

Just get a card from here:

https://www.thinkpenguin.com/catalog/wireless-networking-gnulinux

:-)



On Fri, Aug 11, 2017 at 1:03 PM, Michael <bmi...@gmail.com> wrote:

> I can't get a manufacturer from this on but it says it is a pci-e card.
> What do you think should I get it?
>
> On Thu, Aug 10, 2017 at 7:36 PM, Michael <bmi...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> I hate it. I need to reconnect often!
>>
>> On Thu, Aug 10, 2017 at 7:35 PM, Michael <bmi...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> This one will work. What do you think?
>>> https://www.amazon.com/Netis-Wireless-Advanced-Antennas-Low-
>>> profile/dp/B0051PZSX8/ref=sr_1_14?ie=UTF8=1502406163=
>>> 8-14=low+profile+wireless+pci+card
>>>
>>> On Thu, Aug 10, 2017 at 7:24 PM, Brian Cluff <br...@snaptek.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> More than likely you just need a pcie card.  They have antennas on them
>>>> that are much more powerful than the tiny little antennas that are built
>>>> into the USB dongles.  I've got a dongle that won't pick on the access
>>>> point at the other end of my house even though my laptop and a computer
>>>> with a PCIe card pick them up fine.
>>>>
>>>> Brian Cluff
>>>>
>>>> On 08/10/2017 04:17 PM, Michael wrote:
>>>>
>>>> I was speaking with my father about this and he said that I probably
>>>> need to update my drivers. Being on Linux means my drivers are updated
>>>> everytimeI update the computer I think. He then said that sometimes they
>>>> work and sometimes they don't and the same thing goes for the cards. So I
>>>> need to ask what cards have people had success with?
>>>>
>>>> On Tue, Aug 8, 2017 at 11:32 AM, Michael <bmi...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I changed on goals and they think it's appears to have made it better.
>>>>> What do you mean by put to sleep
>>>>>
>>>>> On Aug 8, 2017 11:19 AM, "Stephen Partington" <cryptwo...@gmail.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> If there is an issue with the dongle or your system trying to put the
>>>>>> USB chain to sleep.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Mon, Aug 7, 2017 at 7:42 PM, Michael <bmi...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Do you think the problem could be the dongle? Would getting a
>>>>>>> wireless card resolve the problem?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Sun, Aug 6, 2017 at 8:54 PM, Michael <bmi...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I went to cnn.com with no problems to repoport
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Sun, Aug 6, 2017 at 8:45 PM, Michael <bmi...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> no I didn't have to do that. this is a private residence with a
>>>>>>>>> non business network
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Sun, Aug 6, 2017 at 8:43 PM, Brien Dieterle <bri...@gmail.com>
>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Do you have to click agree on a sign in page when using guest?
>>>>>>>>>> Try going to a url like CNN.com and see if that brings up the captive
>>>>>>>>>> portal sign on page.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On Aug 6, 2017 5:30 PM, "Michael" <bmi...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> I moved into a new place which offers free wifi (I'm renting a
>>>>>>>>>>> room). I have my wifi dongle plugged in and sometimes wifi works and
>>>>>>>>>>> sometimes it doesn't. Could it be something with Linux because the 
>>>>>>>>>>> woman
>>>>>>>>>>> who owns the house says wifi works fine for her.  I am on a guest 
>>>>>>>>>>> account.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>>> :-)~MIKE~(-:
>>>>>>>>

Re: Question about APT

[Brien Dieterle]

Yeah maybe you're right.  There is no stretch dist either, so maybe wheezy
is the last version they will support over apt (if it works at all)

On Tue, Aug 8, 2017 at 7:25 PM, Mark Phillips <m...@phillipsmarketing.biz>
wrote:

> Brien,
>
> Thanks for checking that out. I will play around with the KeepSolid repos
> after they get back to me.
>
> I think they may not use repos anymore, as these instructions (
> https://www.vpnunlimitedapp.com/en/info/manuals/linux) just have people
> download the .deb and install it when there is an update. Very strange.
>
> Thanks!
>
> Mark
>
> On Tue, Aug 8, 2017 at 7:10 PM, Brien Dieterle <bri...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> You might have to uninstall and reinstall the client if they changed the
>> package names around and stuff. . .
>>
>> On Tue, Aug 8, 2017 at 6:54 PM, Brien Dieterle <bri...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Actually it looks like it is.  Just change your apt line to:
>>>
>>> http://apt.keepsolid.com/debian/dists/wheezy/InRelease
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tue, Aug 8, 2017 at 6:52 PM, Brien Dieterle <bri...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Simplex Solutions looks like it was bought by KeepSolid
>>>>
>>>> Their client is now downloadable here: https://www.vpnunlimitedapp.co
>>>> m/en/downloads/linux
>>>>
>>>> The link itself goes here:
>>>>
>>>> http://apt.keepsolid.com/debian/pool/main/v/vpn-unlimited/vp
>>>> n-unlimited_4.1_amd64.deb
>>>>
>>>> So maybe apt.keepsolid.com  is the new apt repo?  I can't tell if it
>>>> should work or not.  Maybe they don't support a bona-fide repo anymore.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Tue, Aug 8, 2017 at 5:58 PM, Mark Phillips <
>>>> m...@phillipsmarketing.biz> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> der.hans
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks for the idea. I took the easy way out - I commented out the
>>>>> line in the file for this repository and then ran apt-get update and it
>>>>> worked with no errors. When I hear back from simplex solutions that they
>>>>> have fixed their repository, I will un-comment the line.
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks!
>>>>>
>>>>> Mark
>>>>>
>>>>> On Tue, Aug 8, 2017 at 3:11 PM, der.hans <pl...@lufthans.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Am 08. Aug, 2017 schwätzte Mark Phillips so:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> moin moin Mark,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> if the simplexsolutions repo is in its own file, then you can ignore
>>>>>> it
>>>>>> for updates. Admittedly, this is one of the few things that's actually
>>>>>> easier with yum.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Here's what I use to get only security updates. You can certainly do
>>>>>> something similar to exclude one file rather than including just one
>>>>>> file.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> sudo apt -o Dir::Etc::sourceparts=:: -o 
>>>>>> Dir::Etc::SourceList=/etc/apt/sources.list.d/security.list
>>>>>> dist-upgrade
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ciao,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> der.hans
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I am getting this error when I try to apt-get update
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Reading package lists... Error!
>>>>>>> W: An error occurred during the signature verification. The
>>>>>>> repository is
>>>>>>> not updated and the previous index files will be used. GPG error:
>>>>>>> http://apt.simplexsolutionsinc.com wheezy InRelease: Clearsigned
>>>>>>> file isn't
>>>>>>> valid, got 'NODATA' (does the network require authentication?)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> W: Failed to fetch
>>>>>>> http://apt.simplexsolutionsinc.com/repository/dists/wheezy/InRelease
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> W: Some index files failed to download. They have been ignored, or
>>>>>>> old ones
>>>>>>> used instead.
>>>>>>> E: Encountered a section with no Package: header
>>>>>>> E: Problem with MergeList
>>>>>>> /var/lib/apt/lists/apt.simplexsolutionsinc.com_repository_di
>>>>>>> sts_wheezy_main_i18n_Tra

Re: Question about APT

[Brien Dieterle]

You might have to uninstall and reinstall the client if they changed the
package names around and stuff. . .

On Tue, Aug 8, 2017 at 6:54 PM, Brien Dieterle <bri...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Actually it looks like it is.  Just change your apt line to:
>
> http://apt.keepsolid.com/debian/dists/wheezy/InRelease
>
>
> On Tue, Aug 8, 2017 at 6:52 PM, Brien Dieterle <bri...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Simplex Solutions looks like it was bought by KeepSolid
>>
>> Their client is now downloadable here: https://www.vpnunlimitedapp.co
>> m/en/downloads/linux
>>
>> The link itself goes here:
>>
>> http://apt.keepsolid.com/debian/pool/main/v/vpn-unlimited/
>> vpn-unlimited_4.1_amd64.deb
>>
>> So maybe apt.keepsolid.com  is the new apt repo?  I can't tell if it
>> should work or not.  Maybe they don't support a bona-fide repo anymore.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Aug 8, 2017 at 5:58 PM, Mark Phillips <m...@phillipsmarketing.biz
>> > wrote:
>>
>>> der.hans
>>>
>>> Thanks for the idea. I took the easy way out - I commented out the line
>>> in the file for this repository and then ran apt-get update and it worked
>>> with no errors. When I hear back from simplex solutions that they have
>>> fixed their repository, I will un-comment the line.
>>>
>>> Thanks!
>>>
>>> Mark
>>>
>>> On Tue, Aug 8, 2017 at 3:11 PM, der.hans <pl...@lufthans.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Am 08. Aug, 2017 schwätzte Mark Phillips so:
>>>>
>>>> moin moin Mark,
>>>>
>>>> if the simplexsolutions repo is in its own file, then you can ignore it
>>>> for updates. Admittedly, this is one of the few things that's actually
>>>> easier with yum.
>>>>
>>>> Here's what I use to get only security updates. You can certainly do
>>>> something similar to exclude one file rather than including just one
>>>> file.
>>>>
>>>> sudo apt -o Dir::Etc::sourceparts=:: -o 
>>>> Dir::Etc::SourceList=/etc/apt/sources.list.d/security.list
>>>> dist-upgrade
>>>>
>>>> ciao,
>>>>
>>>> der.hans
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I am getting this error when I try to apt-get update
>>>>>
>>>>> Reading package lists... Error!
>>>>> W: An error occurred during the signature verification. The repository
>>>>> is
>>>>> not updated and the previous index files will be used. GPG error:
>>>>> http://apt.simplexsolutionsinc.com wheezy InRelease: Clearsigned file
>>>>> isn't
>>>>> valid, got 'NODATA' (does the network require authentication?)
>>>>>
>>>>> W: Failed to fetch
>>>>> http://apt.simplexsolutionsinc.com/repository/dists/wheezy/InRelease
>>>>>
>>>>> W: Some index files failed to download. They have been ignored, or old
>>>>> ones
>>>>> used instead.
>>>>> E: Encountered a section with no Package: header
>>>>> E: Problem with MergeList
>>>>> /var/lib/apt/lists/apt.simplexsolutionsinc.com_repository_di
>>>>> sts_wheezy_main_i18n_Translation-en
>>>>> E: The package lists or status file could not be parsed or opened.
>>>>>
>>>>> When I try to do an upgrade or install I get
>>>>>
>>>>> Reading package lists... Error!
>>>>> E: Encountered a section with no Package: header
>>>>> E: Problem with MergeList
>>>>> /var/lib/apt/lists/apt.simplexsolutionsinc.com_repository_di
>>>>> sts_wheezy_main_i18n_Translation-en
>>>>> E: The package lists or status file could not be parsed or opened.
>>>>>
>>>>> I emailed the support folks at simplexsolutionsinc.com (the provider
>>>>> of my
>>>>> VPN) to see if they can fix the errors at their end.
>>>>>
>>>>> I assume I could uninstall the VPN from simplex solutions and remove
>>>>> the
>>>>> ppa from apt, do the upgrade and install the software I need, and then
>>>>> reinstall the VPN.
>>>>>
>>>>> Is there another way for me to move forward and do an upgrade and some
>>>>> installs without removing the VPN software?
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks!
>>>>>
>>>>> Mark
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> --
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>>>> #  "Civilisation is a race between education and catastrophe" -- H.G.
>>>> Wells
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Re: Question about APT

[Brien Dieterle]

Actually it looks like it is.  Just change your apt line to:

http://apt.keepsolid.com/debian/dists/wheezy/InRelease

On Tue, Aug 8, 2017 at 6:52 PM, Brien Dieterle <bri...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Simplex Solutions looks like it was bought by KeepSolid
>
> Their client is now downloadable here: https://www.vpnunlimitedapp.
> com/en/downloads/linux
>
> The link itself goes here:
>
> http://apt.keepsolid.com/debian/pool/main/v/vpn-
> unlimited/vpn-unlimited_4.1_amd64.deb
>
> So maybe apt.keepsolid.com  is the new apt repo?  I can't tell if it
> should work or not.  Maybe they don't support a bona-fide repo anymore.
>
>
>
> On Tue, Aug 8, 2017 at 5:58 PM, Mark Phillips <m...@phillipsmarketing.biz>
> wrote:
>
>> der.hans
>>
>> Thanks for the idea. I took the easy way out - I commented out the line
>> in the file for this repository and then ran apt-get update and it worked
>> with no errors. When I hear back from simplex solutions that they have
>> fixed their repository, I will un-comment the line.
>>
>> Thanks!
>>
>> Mark
>>
>> On Tue, Aug 8, 2017 at 3:11 PM, der.hans <pl...@lufthans.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Am 08. Aug, 2017 schwätzte Mark Phillips so:
>>>
>>> moin moin Mark,
>>>
>>> if the simplexsolutions repo is in its own file, then you can ignore it
>>> for updates. Admittedly, this is one of the few things that's actually
>>> easier with yum.
>>>
>>> Here's what I use to get only security updates. You can certainly do
>>> something similar to exclude one file rather than including just one
>>> file.
>>>
>>> sudo apt -o Dir::Etc::sourceparts=:: -o 
>>> Dir::Etc::SourceList=/etc/apt/sources.list.d/security.list
>>> dist-upgrade
>>>
>>> ciao,
>>>
>>> der.hans
>>>
>>>
>>> I am getting this error when I try to apt-get update
>>>>
>>>> Reading package lists... Error!
>>>> W: An error occurred during the signature verification. The repository
>>>> is
>>>> not updated and the previous index files will be used. GPG error:
>>>> http://apt.simplexsolutionsinc.com wheezy InRelease: Clearsigned file
>>>> isn't
>>>> valid, got 'NODATA' (does the network require authentication?)
>>>>
>>>> W: Failed to fetch
>>>> http://apt.simplexsolutionsinc.com/repository/dists/wheezy/InRelease
>>>>
>>>> W: Some index files failed to download. They have been ignored, or old
>>>> ones
>>>> used instead.
>>>> E: Encountered a section with no Package: header
>>>> E: Problem with MergeList
>>>> /var/lib/apt/lists/apt.simplexsolutionsinc.com_repository_di
>>>> sts_wheezy_main_i18n_Translation-en
>>>> E: The package lists or status file could not be parsed or opened.
>>>>
>>>> When I try to do an upgrade or install I get
>>>>
>>>> Reading package lists... Error!
>>>> E: Encountered a section with no Package: header
>>>> E: Problem with MergeList
>>>> /var/lib/apt/lists/apt.simplexsolutionsinc.com_repository_di
>>>> sts_wheezy_main_i18n_Translation-en
>>>> E: The package lists or status file could not be parsed or opened.
>>>>
>>>> I emailed the support folks at simplexsolutionsinc.com (the provider
>>>> of my
>>>> VPN) to see if they can fix the errors at their end.
>>>>
>>>> I assume I could uninstall the VPN from simplex solutions and remove the
>>>> ppa from apt, do the upgrade and install the software I need, and then
>>>> reinstall the VPN.
>>>>
>>>> Is there another way for me to move forward and do an upgrade and some
>>>> installs without removing the VPN software?
>>>>
>>>> Thanks!
>>>>
>>>> Mark
>>>>
>>>>
>>> --
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Re: Question about APT

[Brien Dieterle]

Simplex Solutions looks like it was bought by KeepSolid

Their client is now downloadable here:
https://www.vpnunlimitedapp.com/en/downloads/linux

The link itself goes here:

http://apt.keepsolid.com/debian/pool/main/v/vpn-unlimited/vpn-unlimited_4.1_amd64.deb

So maybe apt.keepsolid.com  is the new apt repo?  I can't tell if it should
work or not.  Maybe they don't support a bona-fide repo anymore.



On Tue, Aug 8, 2017 at 5:58 PM, Mark Phillips 
wrote:

> der.hans
>
> Thanks for the idea. I took the easy way out - I commented out the line in
> the file for this repository and then ran apt-get update and it worked with
> no errors. When I hear back from simplex solutions that they have fixed
> their repository, I will un-comment the line.
>
> Thanks!
>
> Mark
>
> On Tue, Aug 8, 2017 at 3:11 PM, der.hans  wrote:
>
>> Am 08. Aug, 2017 schwätzte Mark Phillips so:
>>
>> moin moin Mark,
>>
>> if the simplexsolutions repo is in its own file, then you can ignore it
>> for updates. Admittedly, this is one of the few things that's actually
>> easier with yum.
>>
>> Here's what I use to get only security updates. You can certainly do
>> something similar to exclude one file rather than including just one file.
>>
>> sudo apt -o Dir::Etc::sourceparts=:: -o 
>> Dir::Etc::SourceList=/etc/apt/sources.list.d/security.list
>> dist-upgrade
>>
>> ciao,
>>
>> der.hans
>>
>>
>> I am getting this error when I try to apt-get update
>>>
>>> Reading package lists... Error!
>>> W: An error occurred during the signature verification. The repository is
>>> not updated and the previous index files will be used. GPG error:
>>> http://apt.simplexsolutionsinc.com wheezy InRelease: Clearsigned file
>>> isn't
>>> valid, got 'NODATA' (does the network require authentication?)
>>>
>>> W: Failed to fetch
>>> http://apt.simplexsolutionsinc.com/repository/dists/wheezy/InRelease
>>>
>>> W: Some index files failed to download. They have been ignored, or old
>>> ones
>>> used instead.
>>> E: Encountered a section with no Package: header
>>> E: Problem with MergeList
>>> /var/lib/apt/lists/apt.simplexsolutionsinc.com_repository_di
>>> sts_wheezy_main_i18n_Translation-en
>>> E: The package lists or status file could not be parsed or opened.
>>>
>>> When I try to do an upgrade or install I get
>>>
>>> Reading package lists... Error!
>>> E: Encountered a section with no Package: header
>>> E: Problem with MergeList
>>> /var/lib/apt/lists/apt.simplexsolutionsinc.com_repository_di
>>> sts_wheezy_main_i18n_Translation-en
>>> E: The package lists or status file could not be parsed or opened.
>>>
>>> I emailed the support folks at simplexsolutionsinc.com (the provider of
>>> my
>>> VPN) to see if they can fix the errors at their end.
>>>
>>> I assume I could uninstall the VPN from simplex solutions and remove the
>>> ppa from apt, do the upgrade and install the software I need, and then
>>> reinstall the VPN.
>>>
>>> Is there another way for me to move forward and do an upgrade and some
>>> installs without removing the VPN software?
>>>
>>> Thanks!
>>>
>>> Mark
>>>
>>>
>> --
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Re: sporadic connectivity

[Brien Dieterle]

Pretty likely it is the dongle/drivers/etc.  Instead of getting a wireless
card, you might consider just getting an external wifi router and
configuring it for client mode.  Then you can just plug several devices
into the router and not worry about wifi drivers at all.

On Mon, Aug 7, 2017 at 7:42 PM, Michael <bmi...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Do you think the problem could be the dongle? Would getting a wireless
> card resolve the problem?
>
> On Sun, Aug 6, 2017 at 8:54 PM, Michael <bmi...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> I went to cnn.com with no problems to repoport
>>
>> On Sun, Aug 6, 2017 at 8:45 PM, Michael <bmi...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> no I didn't have to do that. this is a private residence with a non
>>> business network
>>>
>>> On Sun, Aug 6, 2017 at 8:43 PM, Brien Dieterle <bri...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Do you have to click agree on a sign in page when using guest?  Try
>>>> going to a url like CNN.com and see if that brings up the captive portal
>>>> sign on page.
>>>>
>>>> On Aug 6, 2017 5:30 PM, "Michael" <bmi...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I moved into a new place which offers free wifi (I'm renting a room).
>>>>> I have my wifi dongle plugged in and sometimes wifi works and sometimes it
>>>>> doesn't. Could it be something with Linux because the woman who owns the
>>>>> house says wifi works fine for her.  I am on a guest account.
>>>>>
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Re: sporadic connectivity

[Brien Dieterle]

Do you have to click agree on a sign in page when using guest?  Try going
to a url like CNN.com and see if that brings up the captive portal sign on
page.

On Aug 6, 2017 5:30 PM, "Michael"  wrote:

> I moved into a new place which offers free wifi (I'm renting a room). I
> have my wifi dongle plugged in and sometimes wifi works and sometimes it
> doesn't. Could it be something with Linux because the woman who owns the
> house says wifi works fine for her.  I am on a guest account.
>
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Re: Monitor problem....

[Brien Dieterle]

Haha, so you had two video cards?  Well don't feel dumb, I only suggested
that because it'd be something I would do, especially after moving my
computer around.

If you want I think you can go into the bios and enable that onboard video
so you can use two monitors.  Although sometimes that onboard video just
won't work because the CPU lacks the integrated gpu.

On Aug 3, 2017 6:51 PM, "Michael" <bmi...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Boy do I feel stupid there's a long board and there's an expansion card is
> the expansion card that I needed to be plugged into it and I have no idea
> why I didn't notice that but well. Thanks for your help guys!
>
> On Aug 3, 2017 9:48 PM, "Brien Dieterle" <bri...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Are you sure you are using the right video connection on the back of the
>> computer?  You might have 2 cards and the onboard might be disabled or
>> nonfunctional.  If you only have one card and it is not onboard, you could
>> try reseating it in its slot (open up the case)
>>
>> otherwise it sounds like you have a bad video card.  Maybe you can find
>> another to put in the machine to test
>>
>> On Aug 3, 2017 6:42 PM, "Michael" <bmi...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Not that I know of. The only buttons do
>>> 1 -digital input self test
>>> And it shows red green blue and white stripes
>>> 2 3 and 4-analog input
>>> And then the press button move mouse message
>>>
>>>
>>> On Aug 3, 2017 9:36 PM, "Anthony Radzykewycz" <
>>> anthony.radzykew...@gatewaycc.edu> wrote:
>>>
>>>> That does sound strange. The input setting is changed by a button on
>>>> the monitor. When you press it, it should say VGA, DVI, HDMI, or whatever
>>>> is available on that monitor. Did you see any of these displayed?
>>>>
>>>> On Aug 3, 2017 6:30 PM, "Michael" <bmi...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> It is strange. The monitor clashes between different shades of black
>>>>> so it's reading something but I don't know what.
>>>>>
>>>>> On Aug 3, 2017 8:43 PM, "Anthony Radzykewycz" <
>>>>> anthony.radzykew...@gatewaycc.edu> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Make sure your input settings on the monitor are correct for the
>>>>>> inputs. Also, try to use only one monitor until you get it working to 
>>>>>> make
>>>>>> sure the graphics settings take. It'll also help troubleshooting, as you
>>>>>> should be able to see the BIOS information on the single monitor if the
>>>>>> input is correct. If that doesn't work, try the on board video port as
>>>>>> opposed to the video card (assuming you are using a card).
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Aug 3, 2017 5:37 PM, "Michael" <bmi...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I did and nothing it didn't help any
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Aug 3, 2017 8:36 PM, "Stephen Partington" <cryptwo...@gmail.com>
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Also try swapping cables if you can.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Aug 3, 2017 5:34 PM, "Michael" <bmi...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> When when I push a button the monitor says that it is in power
>>>>>>>>> save mode and to press the keyboard or the power of the power button 
>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>> activate the monitor
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Aug 3, 2017 8:32 PM, "Michael" <bmi...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Sound effect
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On Aug 3, 2017 8:17 PM, "Brien Dieterle" <bri...@gmail.com>
>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Do you mean a startup sound effect or do you just mean a beep
>>>>>>>>>>> noise?
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On Aug 3, 2017 5:09 PM, "Michael" <bmi...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> I just moved and set my computer up. I get start up sounds and
>

Re: Monitor problem....

[Brien Dieterle]

Are you sure you are using the right video connection on the back of the
computer?  You might have 2 cards and the onboard might be disabled or
nonfunctional.  If you only have one card and it is not onboard, you could
try reseating it in its slot (open up the case)

otherwise it sounds like you have a bad video card.  Maybe you can find
another to put in the machine to test

On Aug 3, 2017 6:42 PM, "Michael" <bmi...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Not that I know of. The only buttons do
> 1 -digital input self test
> And it shows red green blue and white stripes
> 2 3 and 4-analog input
> And then the press button move mouse message
>
>
> On Aug 3, 2017 9:36 PM, "Anthony Radzykewycz" <anthony.radzykewycz@
> gatewaycc.edu> wrote:
>
>> That does sound strange. The input setting is changed by a button on the
>> monitor. When you press it, it should say VGA, DVI, HDMI, or whatever is
>> available on that monitor. Did you see any of these displayed?
>>
>> On Aug 3, 2017 6:30 PM, "Michael" <bmi...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> It is strange. The monitor clashes between different shades of black so
>>> it's reading something but I don't know what.
>>>
>>> On Aug 3, 2017 8:43 PM, "Anthony Radzykewycz" <
>>> anthony.radzykew...@gatewaycc.edu> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Make sure your input settings on the monitor are correct for the
>>>> inputs. Also, try to use only one monitor until you get it working to make
>>>> sure the graphics settings take. It'll also help troubleshooting, as you
>>>> should be able to see the BIOS information on the single monitor if the
>>>> input is correct. If that doesn't work, try the on board video port as
>>>> opposed to the video card (assuming you are using a card).
>>>>
>>>> On Aug 3, 2017 5:37 PM, "Michael" <bmi...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I did and nothing it didn't help any
>>>>>
>>>>> On Aug 3, 2017 8:36 PM, "Stephen Partington" <cryptwo...@gmail.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Also try swapping cables if you can.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Aug 3, 2017 5:34 PM, "Michael" <bmi...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> When when I push a button the monitor says that it is in power save
>>>>>>> mode and to press the keyboard or the power of the power button to 
>>>>>>> activate
>>>>>>> the monitor
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Aug 3, 2017 8:32 PM, "Michael" <bmi...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Sound effect
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Aug 3, 2017 8:17 PM, "Brien Dieterle" <bri...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Do you mean a startup sound effect or do you just mean a beep
>>>>>>>>> noise?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Aug 3, 2017 5:09 PM, "Michael" <bmi...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I just moved and set my computer up. I get start up sounds and the
>>>>>>>>> keyboard lights light but the monitor doesn't work. I put another 
>>>>>>>>> monitor
>>>>>>>>> on the system but it also did not work any ideas what's wrong?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Aug 2, 2017 10:01 PM, "Snyder, Alexander" <
>>>>>>>>> a...@misteralexander.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Hey folks!
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Long time lurker here, with a request.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I have been writing BASH scripts daily, on a pretty consistent
>>>>>>>>> basis, for the last 3 years or so.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Always striving to get better, if anyone needs any scripts
>>>>>>>>> written, or feels like coaching me (and my work) I would really 
>>>>>>>>> appreciate
>>>>>>>>> the help!
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Please let me know if I may assist you in any way.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>&

Re: Monitor problem....

[Brien Dieterle]

Do you mean a startup sound effect or do you just mean a beep noise?

On Aug 3, 2017 5:09 PM, "Michael"  wrote:

I just moved and set my computer up. I get start up sounds and the keyboard
lights light but the monitor doesn't work. I put another monitor on the
system but it also did not work any ideas what's wrong?

On Aug 2, 2017 10:01 PM, "Snyder, Alexander" 
wrote:

Hey folks!

Long time lurker here, with a request.

I have been writing BASH scripts daily, on a pretty consistent basis, for
the last 3 years or so.

Always striving to get better, if anyone needs any scripts written, or
feels like coaching me (and my work) I would really appreciate the help!

Please let me know if I may assist you in any way.

This is for free -- no ploy to buy anything -- just trying to get better at
BASH scripting.  I'm also (as of yesterday) learning Python, so any tips
you have on that too would be awesome.

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Re: Chromebook

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Yeah it's a client to help you upload and sync docs to your google drive:
https://www.google.com/drive/download/client/

On Fri, Jul 28, 2017 at 8:39 AM, Michael <bmi...@gmail.com> wrote:

> drive client software?
>
> On Fri, Jul 28, 2017 at 11:03 AM, Brien Dieterle <bri...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> The web interface lets you do multiple.  Or you can install the drive
>> client software
>>
>> On Jul 28, 2017 7:12 AM, "Michael" <bmi...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Each one separately?
>>>
>>>
>>> On Fri, Jul 28, 2017 at 10:09 AM, Brien Dieterle <bri...@gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Probably just upload them all to Google drive
>>>>
>>>> On Jul 28, 2017 7:04 AM, "Michael" <bmi...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Well, my girl's chromebook came yesterday and everything is good. Is
>>>>> there an easy way to transfer her files into it?
>>>>> Her files consist of pdf's, microsoft word docs and zip files,
>>>>> containing the same.
>>>>>
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Re: Chromebook

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The web interface lets you do multiple.  Or you can install the drive
client software

On Jul 28, 2017 7:12 AM, "Michael" <bmi...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Each one separately?
>
>
> On Fri, Jul 28, 2017 at 10:09 AM, Brien Dieterle <bri...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Probably just upload them all to Google drive
>>
>> On Jul 28, 2017 7:04 AM, "Michael" <bmi...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Well, my girl's chromebook came yesterday and everything is good. Is
>>> there an easy way to transfer her files into it?
>>> Her files consist of pdf's, microsoft word docs and zip files,
>>> containing the same.
>>>
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Re: Chromebook

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Probably just upload them all to Google drive

On Jul 28, 2017 7:04 AM, "Michael"  wrote:

> Well, my girl's chromebook came yesterday and everything is good. Is there
> an easy way to transfer her files into it?
> Her files consist of pdf's, microsoft word docs and zip files, containing
> the same.
>
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Re: How to make wireless stay connected?

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Actually from a forum post:
https://askubuntu.com/questions/284770/how-to-disable-kde-wallet-and-have-remember-password-working
"I solved this issue by going into the network manager settings by clicking
the wifi/network icon in the taskbar > Settings icon, and then from the
networks screen that appears, I right-clicked my connection, clicked edit,
and then under the "General configuration" tab, ticked the "All users may
connect to this network" check box. When I restarted my computer, I wasn't
asked to enter the kwallet password and connected to my network
automatically. "

On Thu, Jul 27, 2017 at 8:02 PM, Brien Dieterle <bri...@gmail.com> wrote:

> You probably need the wallet, sorry.
>
> On Thu, Jul 27, 2017 at 7:47 PM, <j...@actionline.com> wrote:
>
>> I have several thinkpads with linux mint connected via wireless and all
>> of them automatically connect when turned on and stay connected ...
>> except on the most recent linux mint 18 installed thinkpad.
>>
>> Every time I close the lid it disconnects the wireless connection and I
>> have to re-enter the network password to get it started again.
>>
>> What do I need to do to make it automatically connect and keep its
>> connection?
>>
>> PS: I hate the KDE wallet nuisance and have it turned off.
>> Please don't make me have to use it to achieve what I need.
>>
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Re: How to make wireless stay connected?

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You probably need the wallet, sorry.

On Thu, Jul 27, 2017 at 7:47 PM,  wrote:

> I have several thinkpads with linux mint connected via wireless and all
> of them automatically connect when turned on and stay connected ...
> except on the most recent linux mint 18 installed thinkpad.
>
> Every time I close the lid it disconnects the wireless connection and I
> have to re-enter the network password to get it started again.
>
> What do I need to do to make it automatically connect and keep its
> connection?
>
> PS: I hate the KDE wallet nuisance and have it turned off.
> Please don't make me have to use it to achieve what I need.
>
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Re: New computer.

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Try installing chrome or Firefox and importing the settings from ie.  Then
sync to your Google account or Firefox account on both computers.

On Jul 23, 2017 8:11 AM, "Michael" <bmi...@gmail.com> wrote:

> if it is saved in ie.
>
> On Sun, Jul 23, 2017 at 11:09 AM, Michael <bmi...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Is there a way to get them into Linux?
>>
>>
>> On Sun, Jul 23, 2017 at 11:08 AM, Brien Dieterle <bri...@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Are the password saved in internet explorer? Chrome? Windows credential
>>> manager?   Take a look at these
>>> http://www.nirsoft.net/password_recovery_tools.html
>>>
>>> If they are saved in chrome or Firefox you can just sync to your gmail
>>> or Firefox account to get the passwords over.
>>>
>>> On Jul 23, 2017 7:22 AM, "Michael" <bmi...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> My girlfriend wants to get a new computer. She doesn't do anything like
>>>> programming and she is strictly a web-based user so she wants to give linux
>>>> a whirl because of the security it offers. Which computer do you recommend.
>>>>
>>>> On a side note she asked if there was a way to copy her saved
>>>> passwords. I told her that there might be a way to do so if she wanted to
>>>> remain a windows user but that most likely she would have to change her
>>>> passwords if she turned to the light side of the force. Is this true? If
>>>> not how do I retrieve the passwords?
>>>>
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Re: New computer.

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Are the password saved in internet explorer? Chrome? Windows credential
manager?   Take a look at these
http://www.nirsoft.net/password_recovery_tools.html

If they are saved in chrome or Firefox you can just sync to your gmail or
Firefox account to get the passwords over.

On Jul 23, 2017 7:22 AM, "Michael"  wrote:

> My girlfriend wants to get a new computer. She doesn't do anything like
> programming and she is strictly a web-based user so she wants to give linux
> a whirl because of the security it offers. Which computer do you recommend.
>
> On a side note she asked if there was a way to copy her saved passwords. I
> told her that there might be a way to do so if she wanted to remain a
> windows user but that most likely she would have to change her passwords if
> she turned to the light side of the force. Is this true? If not how do I
> retrieve the passwords?
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Re: some pages don't load

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Are you sure you refreshed the modem, and not the router?  (or are they a
combined unit?).  It sounds like the DNS server on the router was totally
broken and either had some cached records or your computer had some cached
records.  This is assuming you are using your router for your DNS server.
You could always just set your clients to use google's DNS (8.8.8.8,
8.8.4.4) if you continue to have problems.  You can do this either manually
on each client or tell the router to send these to the clients via DHCP
settings.

On Fri, Jun 2, 2017 at 6:58 AM, Michael  wrote:

> fixed it! refreshed the modem and all is good again. But why would google
> pages and others load?
>
> On Fri, Jun 2, 2017 at 9:44 AM, Michael  wrote:
>
>> I just realized that I upgraded my system 4 days ago and this webpage not
>> loading thing has only been around for two days. As such they are probably
>> unrelated.  
>>
>> Now I know it isn't mint 18.1! I just load windows and it too will not
>> load most pages. I did find out that wikipedia will load. Are google,
>> facebook, and wikipedia all the same company and now that net-neutrality
>> went away this is a new norm?
>>
>> On Fri, Jun 2, 2017 at 8:58 AM, Michael  wrote:
>>
>>> Is anyone else out there experiencing the same thing or is it only me? I
>>> did check the sum of the download and it said everything was fine. I even
>>> burned the disk and then did a check of all the files in their md5sums list
>>> and they all checked out okay.
>>>
>>> On Thu, Jun 1, 2017 at 6:22 PM, Michael  wrote:
>>>
 I upgraded from Mint 17.3 to 18.1 and ever since some pages won't
 load.one page in particular is duckduckgo. I remember when I upgraded to
 17.3 a similar thing happened and you guys told me to change my DNS. Well,
 I did (I think) and still the pages won't load

 --
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>>>
>>>
>>>
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Re: zip

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Yep :)

On May 17, 2017 4:38 PM, "Michael" <bmi...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Gee that is simple. And I suppose 'zip' is the format I should select?
>
>
> On Wed, May 17, 2017 at 7:35 PM, Brien Dieterle <bri...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> If you use Gnome, just select some files or folders, and right-click,
>> choose "compress".  Choose your format, 7z, zip, etc etc.  You didn't
>> specify your desktop environment so I hope this is helpful.
>>
>> On Wed, May 17, 2017 at 3:14 PM, Michael <bmi...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> I'm looking to get a job and one of the things they want is for us to be
>>> able to zip files before we send them. Now there is tar and all of those
>>> zip abilities but there windows centric so I zeed a windows zip thing. Is
>>> there a linux utility to do this  or else what do you think I can do? I'll
>>> be compressing photos (if it makes a difference).
>>> After a little looking into this myself I found a discussion which says
>>> merely use 'zip -k'. Is there a better way to do this?
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Re: zip

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If you use Gnome, just select some files or folders, and right-click,
choose "compress".  Choose your format, 7z, zip, etc etc.  You didn't
specify your desktop environment so I hope this is helpful.

On Wed, May 17, 2017 at 3:14 PM, Michael  wrote:

> I'm looking to get a job and one of the things they want is for us to be
> able to zip files before we send them. Now there is tar and all of those
> zip abilities but there windows centric so I zeed a windows zip thing. Is
> there a linux utility to do this  or else what do you think I can do? I'll
> be compressing photos (if it makes a difference).
> After a little looking into this myself I found a discussion which says
> merely use 'zip -k'. Is there a better way to do this?
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Re: gray card

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The grey card you can buy is a known calibrated reference.  There's not
much point in printing your own unless your printer and computer have
already been calibrated with a bunch of grey and other cards and
equipment.  I suggest you get yourself an 18% grey hat.  Then you can just
put your hat

on the things you're photographing and get the exposure right, take the hat
off (or not) and take your picture.

On Tue, Feb 21, 2017 at 9:15 PM, Michael  wrote:

> Well, for my photography needs it seems I need a gray car. They cost what?
> Well, I guess I'll print my own. So I open GIMP and they want an HTML code.
> Anyone know what the code is for 18% gray? If 18% is right in the middle of
> the shades of gray I found one page that says the code is
> 808080
> and according to the same page it is made up of equal part RGB
> *W3C Color Name:* Grey
> *RGB:* 128, 128, 128
> *HSL:* 0.00, 0.00, 0.50
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Re: (OT) Backup Software Suggestions

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Backuppc moved to github and there are regular commits, so maybe it's not
dying?  The 4.0 beta branch definitely is stale though:
https://github.com/backuppc/backuppc

Yeah, it's not super fancy and the uploading isn't as efficient as it could
be for duplicate files, but it is flexible and reliable.  I use it with
openvpn and cygwin/rsyncd to backup family windows machines over slow WAN.
My local fs is backed up with tar.  My LAN machines are backed up with
rsync/ssh for linux and plain SMB for my wife's laptop.  The web interface
is pretty darn nice IMO and the files aren't terribly obfuscated on disk.

On Thu, Jan 26, 2017 at 10:03 AM, Mark Phillips 
wrote:

> I am looking for a recommendation on backup software. I have a backup
> server and I have two local machines and one remote machine to backup (all
> Debian or Ubuntu - no Windows machines to worry about). The backup server
> is just command line Debian - no gui - since I only use ssh to talk to it.
> I have a new 4 TB drive ready for backups and don't know what to do with
> it..;)
>
> I used rsnapshot for awhile, but the backups had issues from time to time,
> and I am tired of troubleshooting it. Also the reporting tool rsnapreport
> didn't seem to work. With rsnapshot I was seeing ~ 1TB of backup data on my
> backup drive.
>
> I have use backuppc in the past, but it seems to be on the decline now and
> has been for awhile.
>
> I started using a cloud backup solution, altdrive, but they are closing
> shop in February. Also, it was java based, and used a lot  of CPU to make
> backups. It could be throttled, but then the backups took a really long
> time (hours to days). Finally, I had great difficulty restoring from the
> backups - I was told they were too big and the server kept timing out! So I
> had to reconfigure all of my backups to smaller sets of directories.
>
> So, any suggestions? Inexpensive cloud backup? Local backup? I have seen
> recommendations for Borg for local backups over ssh and it has a web gui
> front end which may be useful. I like that it is in Python (I can read it
> as opposed to perl...). Other suggestions?
>
> Thanks!
>
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Re: fetchmailrc syntax error

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Edit the hidden file in your home directory called .fetchmailrc and see
what's wrong with the syntax

This site has examples
https://www.linode.com/docs/email/clients/using-fetchmail-to-retrieve-email/

If you don't know why fetchmail is setup, and you don't have any issues
with your email, you could just rename the file.


On Dec 9, 2016 10:15 PM, "Bob Holtzman"  wrote:

All of a sudden I'm getting this error message:

.fetchmailrc:2: syntax error at "pop.sonic.net"

/sarcasm on/ What I like about linux is the voluminous information these
error
messages give./sarcasm off/

Tried running a search on the error message but got nothing useful.

If anyone could give me a clue I would really appreciate it.

Thanks

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Re: new external drive

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Yeah I would send it back :-p

On Nov 25, 2016 4:37 PM, "Michael" <bmi...@gmail.com> wrote:

> I would love to use a *nix native file system but I want to be able to
> share this between systems. Everytime the thing goes to a new line the
> write error is incremented by 1. This is a new disk. It shouldn't do that!
> I think I should send it back! What do you guys think?
>
> On Fri, Nov 25, 2016 at 6:08 PM, Brien Dieterle <bri...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> http://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/65349/how-to-interpr
>> et-badblocks-output
>>
>> Sounds like it had a lot of writing errors.  Thing is I'll not sure how
>> to deal with it while using NTFS
>>
>> http://linux.bigresource.com/General-NTFS-marking-sectors-ba
>> d--aLwrEyk32.html
>>
>> If you use ext3 or ext4 you can check for and mark bad blocks during
>> format with the -c option.  mkfs.ext4 -c /dev/sdd1
>>
>> On Nov 25, 2016 1:59 PM, "Michael" <bmi...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> I was wondering:
>>> The print out on the terminal reads:
>>>
>>> 1973729 done, 3:49:08 elapsed. (0/7649/0 errors)
>>>
>>> what does "(0/7649/0 errors)" mean?
>>>
>>> On Fri, Nov 25, 2016 at 10:49 AM, Michael <bmi...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> I'm trying to run 'badblocks' but each time I run it get the same
>>>>  thing.
>>>>
>>>> $ sudo badblocks -b 4096 -c 98304 -p 0 -w -s /media/bmike1/NexStar
>>>> badblocks: invalid starting block (0): must be less than 0
>>>> .
>>>> .
>>>> .
>>>> I just googled the error and find:
>>>>
>>>> -Apparently this is Linux-speak for "This program needs the name of a
>>>> device file, and the programmer was too lazy to have it detect that you
>>>> supplied the name of the mount point instead".-
>>>>
>>>> How do I discover the device as opposed to the mount point?
>>>>
>>>> On Thu, Nov 24, 2016 at 4:30 PM, Brien Dieterle <bri...@gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Almost looks like bad sectors. Might want to try badblocks
>>>>> https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/badblocks
>>>>> Maybe try formatting it ext4
>>>>> Maybe try another USB port and cable
>>>>>
>>>>> On Nov 24, 2016 1:21 PM, "Michael" <bmi...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> I really appreciate the help It errored out though. Here is what
>>>>>> gparted reported:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> *Create Primary Partition #1 (ntfs, 232.88 GiB) on /dev/sdd*  00:00:37   
>>>>>>  (
>>>>>> ERROR )
>>>>>>
>>>>>> create empty partition  00:00:00( SUCCESS )
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> *path: /dev/sdd1start: 2048end: 488396799size: 488394752 (232.88 GiB)*
>>>>>> clear old file system signatures in /dev/sdd1  00:00:00( SUCCESS )
>>>>>>
>>>>>> write 68.00 KiB of zeros at byte offset 0  00:00:00( SUCCESS )
>>>>>> write 4.00 KiB of zeros at byte offset 67108864  00:00:00(
>>>>>> SUCCESS )
>>>>>> write 4.00 KiB of zeros at byte offset 250058108928  00:00:00(
>>>>>> SUCCESS )
>>>>>> flush operating system cache of /dev/sdd  00:00:00( SUCCESS )
>>>>>> set partition type on /dev/sdd1  00:00:00( SUCCESS )
>>>>>>
>>>>>> *new partition type: ntfs*
>>>>>> create new ntfs file system  00:00:37( ERROR )
>>>>>>
>>>>>> *mkntfs -Q -v -L "NexStar" /dev/sdd1*
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> *Cluster size has been automatically se

Re: new external drive

[Brien Dieterle]

http://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/65349/how-to-interpret-badblocks-output

Sounds like it had a lot of writing errors.  Thing is I'll not sure how to
deal with it while using NTFS

http://linux.bigresource.com/General-NTFS-marking-sectors-bad--aLwrEyk32.html

If you use ext3 or ext4 you can check for and mark bad blocks during format
with the -c option.  mkfs.ext4 -c /dev/sdd1

On Nov 25, 2016 1:59 PM, "Michael" <bmi...@gmail.com> wrote:

> I was wondering:
> The print out on the terminal reads:
>
> 1973729 done, 3:49:08 elapsed. (0/7649/0 errors)
>
> what does "(0/7649/0 errors)" mean?
>
> On Fri, Nov 25, 2016 at 10:49 AM, Michael <bmi...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> I'm trying to run 'badblocks' but each time I run it get the same  thing.
>>
>> $ sudo badblocks -b 4096 -c 98304 -p 0 -w -s /media/bmike1/NexStar
>> badblocks: invalid starting block (0): must be less than 0
>> .
>> .
>> .
>> I just googled the error and find:
>>
>> -Apparently this is Linux-speak for "This program needs the name of a
>> device file, and the programmer was too lazy to have it detect that you
>> supplied the name of the mount point instead".-
>>
>> How do I discover the device as opposed to the mount point?
>>
>> On Thu, Nov 24, 2016 at 4:30 PM, Brien Dieterle <bri...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Almost looks like bad sectors. Might want to try badblocks
>>> https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/badblocks
>>> Maybe try formatting it ext4
>>> Maybe try another USB port and cable
>>>
>>> On Nov 24, 2016 1:21 PM, "Michael" <bmi...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> I really appreciate the help It errored out though. Here is what
>>>> gparted reported:
>>>>
>>>> *Create Primary Partition #1 (ntfs, 232.88 GiB) on /dev/sdd*  00:00:37(
>>>> ERROR )
>>>>
>>>> create empty partition  00:00:00( SUCCESS )
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> *path: /dev/sdd1start: 2048end: 488396799size: 488394752 (232.88 GiB)*
>>>> clear old file system signatures in /dev/sdd1  00:00:00( SUCCESS )
>>>>
>>>> write 68.00 KiB of zeros at byte offset 0  00:00:00( SUCCESS )
>>>> write 4.00 KiB of zeros at byte offset 67108864  00:00:00( SUCCESS )
>>>> write 4.00 KiB of zeros at byte offset 250058108928  00:00:00(
>>>> SUCCESS )
>>>> flush operating system cache of /dev/sdd  00:00:00( SUCCESS )
>>>> set partition type on /dev/sdd1  00:00:00( SUCCESS )
>>>>
>>>> *new partition type: ntfs*
>>>> create new ntfs file system  00:00:37( ERROR )
>>>>
>>>> *mkntfs -Q -v -L "NexStar" /dev/sdd1*
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> *Cluster size has been automatically set to 4096 bytes.Creating NTFS
>>>> volume structures.Creating root directory (mft record 5)Creating $MFT (mft
>>>> record 0)Creating $MFTMirr (mft record 1)Creating $LogFile (mft record
>>>> 2)Creating $AttrDef (mft record 4)Creating $Bitmap (mft record 6)Creating
>>>> $Boot (mft record 7)Creating backup boot sector.Creating $Volume (mft
>>>> record 3)Creating $BadClus (mft record 8)Creating $Secure (mft record
>>>> 9)Creating $UpCase (mft record 0xa)Creating $Extend (mft record 11)Creating
>>>> system file (mft record 0xc)Creating system file (mft record 0xd)Creating
>>>> system file (mft record 0xe)Creating system file (mft record 0xf)Creating
>>>> $Quota (mft record 24)Creating $ObjId (mft record 25)Creating $Reparse (mft
>>>> record 26)Syncing root directory index record.Syncing $Bitmap.Syncing
>>>> $MFT.Updating $MFTMirr.Syncing device.*
>>>>
>>>> *Failed to sync device /dev/sdd1: Input/output errorSyncing device.
>>>> FAILED*
>>>>
>>>> On Thu, Nov 24, 2016 at 2:28 PM, Stephen Partington <
>>>> cryptwo...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Get gparted and use it to take a look. Lots of USB drives have some
>>>>> wonky trick they use.
&g

Re: new external drive

[Brien Dieterle]

Gparted tells you.  It was /dev/sdd before, but check again as it can
change.  Also unmount the filesystem first

On Nov 25, 2016 8:50 AM, "Michael" <bmi...@gmail.com> wrote:

I'm trying to run 'badblocks' but each time I run it get the same  thing.

$ sudo badblocks -b 4096 -c 98304 -p 0 -w -s /media/bmike1/NexStar
badblocks: invalid starting block (0): must be less than 0
.
.
.
I just googled the error and find:

-Apparently this is Linux-speak for "This program needs the name of a
device file, and the programmer was too lazy to have it detect that you
supplied the name of the mount point instead".-

How do I discover the device as opposed to the mount point?

On Thu, Nov 24, 2016 at 4:30 PM, Brien Dieterle <bri...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Almost looks like bad sectors. Might want to try badblocks
> https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/badblocks
> Maybe try formatting it ext4
> Maybe try another USB port and cable
>
> On Nov 24, 2016 1:21 PM, "Michael" <bmi...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> I really appreciate the help It errored out though. Here is what
>> gparted reported:
>>
>> *Create Primary Partition #1 (ntfs, 232.88 GiB) on /dev/sdd*  00:00:37(
>> ERROR )
>>
>> create empty partition  00:00:00( SUCCESS )
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> *path: /dev/sdd1start: 2048end: 488396799size: 488394752 (232.88 GiB)*
>> clear old file system signatures in /dev/sdd1  00:00:00( SUCCESS )
>>
>> write 68.00 KiB of zeros at byte offset 0  00:00:00( SUCCESS )
>> write 4.00 KiB of zeros at byte offset 67108864  00:00:00( SUCCESS )
>> write 4.00 KiB of zeros at byte offset 250058108928  00:00:00(
>> SUCCESS )
>> flush operating system cache of /dev/sdd  00:00:00( SUCCESS )
>> set partition type on /dev/sdd1  00:00:00( SUCCESS )
>>
>> *new partition type: ntfs*
>> create new ntfs file system  00:00:37( ERROR )
>>
>> *mkntfs -Q -v -L "NexStar" /dev/sdd1*
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> *Cluster size has been automatically set to 4096 bytes.Creating NTFS
>> volume structures.Creating root directory (mft record 5)Creating $MFT (mft
>> record 0)Creating $MFTMirr (mft record 1)Creating $LogFile (mft record
>> 2)Creating $AttrDef (mft record 4)Creating $Bitmap (mft record 6)Creating
>> $Boot (mft record 7)Creating backup boot sector.Creating $Volume (mft
>> record 3)Creating $BadClus (mft record 8)Creating $Secure (mft record
>> 9)Creating $UpCase (mft record 0xa)Creating $Extend (mft record 11)Creating
>> system file (mft record 0xc)Creating system file (mft record 0xd)Creating
>> system file (mft record 0xe)Creating system file (mft record 0xf)Creating
>> $Quota (mft record 24)Creating $ObjId (mft record 25)Creating $Reparse (mft
>> record 26)Syncing root directory index record.Syncing $Bitmap.Syncing
>> $MFT.Updating $MFTMirr.Syncing device.*
>>
>> *Failed to sync device /dev/sdd1: Input/output errorSyncing device.
>> FAILED*
>>
>> On Thu, Nov 24, 2016 at 2:28 PM, Stephen Partington <cryptwo...@gmail.com
>> > wrote:
>>
>>> Get gparted and use it to take a look. Lots of USB drives have some
>>> wonky trick they use.
>>>
>>> On Nov 24, 2016 12:04 PM, "Michael" <bmi...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>> I got a problem. This new drive won't format. Linux saw it when I first
>>>> plugged it in. I then tried copying some files to it which resulted in an
>>>> error appearing after 5-10 minutes telling me to open windows and run
>>>> 'chkdsk \f' on the device. Then I plugged it into windows10 and couldn't
>>>> figure out how to open a terminal so I decided to format it. But it
>>>> wouldn't format. When I attempt to it flashes twice a second for a little
>>>> then a long flash then again quickly. So I figured I would attempt the
>>>> format with Linux but Linux doesn't see the drive now so no formatting with
>>>> it. Can someone help?
>>>> --
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Re: Bitlocker and Linux

[Brien Dieterle]

I don't see anything there about centrally managed full disk encryption for
Linux with bitlocker.  There are products out there but no way a shop is
going to invest in multiplatform solution just for one person.  I would
look at doing native Linux encryption (whatever the distro offers during
installation) and turn the key over to IT.  That might satisfy the
insurance requirement without having a managed solution for Linux.

On Oct 17, 2016 7:50 PM, "Stephen Partington"  wrote:

> Incorrect, I have done this with Ubuntu. It requires you to turn over the
> initial boot records to windows and use an application like EasyBCD to
> manage them. but it provides full bitlocker compatibility with Linux.
>
> See method 3 from this post for a baseline. http://social.
> technet.microsoft.com/wiki/contents/articles/9528.how-to-
> multiboot-with-bitlocker-tpm-and-a-non-windows-os.aspx
>
> I have done this with windows 7, Have not tried it with windows 10.
>
> On Mon, Oct 17, 2016 at 4:41 PM, Nathan England  wrote:
>
>> -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
>> Hash: SHA1
>>
>>
>> I asked my IT department a question today and may have opened pandora's
>> box.
>>
>> I've been allowed to run Fedora on my company laptop for a couple of
>> years now. I am using a personal hard drive for Fedora that way if I
>> needed to I could put the original Windows drive back in and access what
>> ever I needed.
>>
>> I haven't used my Windows drive in over a year now and it's causing some
>> issues with corporate AD and the anti-virus. So I requested installing
>> windows in a VirtualBox and having corporate IT join it to the domain,
>> install av, office suite, and the other stuff I may need but likely
>> never will use, and then I can easily boot it once a week to keep my av
>> up to date.
>>
>> The response was that our insurance requires the use of Bitlocker.
>> Full stop...
>>
>> Their potential solution is to partition the drive to have Windows and
>> Linux but both be encrypted with Bitlocker so they could access the
>> drive contents should I ever leave or die or what ever...
>>
>> I realize encrypting the linux partition with bitlocker is not likely
>> ever going to happen (right?) but are there corporate linux systems that
>> allow IT access to encrypted volumes like Bitlocker and AD?
>>
>> I feel dirty even asking this. Doesn't this defeat the entire purpose of
>> encryption to begin with? ugh... I guess it makes sense, but it sounds
>> like inferior by design.
>>
>>
>> - --
>> 
>> Nathan England
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>
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Re: rsync`

[Brien Dieterle]

Ah, so it wasn't mounted. . . where you thought it was ;-)
Looks like the case thing is a bug:
https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/mtools/+bug/524182


On Mon, Oct 10, 2016 at 8:06 PM, Michael <bmi...@gmail.com> wrote:

> figured out the problem! mlabel converted my variable to all caps. Is
> there a way MSDOS label creator that will allow caps and lower letters?
>
> On Mon, Oct 10, 2016 at 10:57 PM, Michael <bmi...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> $ sudo blkid
>> [sudo] password for bmike1:
>> /dev/sda1: LABEL="System Reserved" UUID="524422C94422B021" TYPE="ntfs"
>> /dev/sda2: UUID="C2FE2639FE2625DF" TYPE="ntfs"
>> /dev/sda3: UUID="3E2E72CD2E727E29" TYPE="ntfs"
>> /dev/sdb1: UUID="dbd322bd-8172-48d1-a982-80f9721cabc2" TYPE="ext4"
>> /dev/sdb3: UUID="55a828ec-f16b-49ad-846f-8793e6d0ecdb" TYPE="ext4"
>> /dev/sdb5: UUID="b45d28c4-edc6-4f9a-a80b-144e20197cf8" TYPE="swap"
>> /dev/sdc1: LABEL="KINGSTON64" UUID="3B90-A363" TYPE="vfat"
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Oct 10, 2016 at 10:54 PM, Michael <bmi...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> It's mounted. Otherwise the mlabel command would have failed.
>>>
>>> $ ls /media/bmike1
>>> KINGSTON64
>>>
>>>
>>> On Mon, Oct 10, 2016 at 9:30 PM, Brien Dieterle <bri...@gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> I don't think your sdcard is even mounted.  Try this:
>>>> http://www.pkill-9.com/mount-usb-micro-sd-card-linux-automount/
>>>>
>>>> Also, until you are confident it is configured correctly, you should
>>>> really use -n (or --dry-run) for rsync so you don't accidentally... oh,
>>>> delete everything :-)
>>>>
>>>> On Mon, Oct 10, 2016 at 6:02 PM, Michael <bmi...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I found the solution and I labled my device but:
>>>>>
>>>>> $ sudo mlabel p:kingston64
>>>>> $ rsync -aWuq --delete-before /home/bmike1/Documents
>>>>> /media/bmike1/Kingston64
>>>>> rsync: mkdir "/media/bmike1/Kingston64" failed: Permission denied (13)
>>>>> rsync error: error in file IO (code 11) at main.c(674) [Receiver=3.1.0]
>>>>>
>>>>> So this means permissions are wrong on the device?
>>>>>
>>>>> $ sudo chmod 007 <-I only have one user so is this good?
>>>>>
>>>>> On Mon, Oct 10, 2016 at 8:54 PM, Michael <bmi...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> okay I googled and I searched and found the solution to my
>>>>>> problem:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> http://www.pkill-9.com/label-ms-dos-flash-drive-micro-sd-car
>>>>>> d-mtools-linux/
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Mon, Oct 10, 2016 at 8:17 AM, Michael <bmi...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I just got a 64gb card to rsync my hard drive on to How do I see
>>>>>>> what the card is listed as? (/media/bmike1/)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> This is the command I use:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>   rsync -aWuq --delete-before /home/bmike1/Documents\
>>>>>>>   /media/bmike1/
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I have two questions. I want to retain the dos format so to name it
>>>>>>> would I use the command 'dosfslabel' or would another be more 
>>>>>>> approprialte?
>>>>>>>   and
>>>>>>> would I use the same command?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>> :-)~MIKE~(-:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> --
>>>>>> :-)~MIKE~(-:
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> :-)~MIKE~(-:
>>>>>
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>>>
>>>
>>> --
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>>>
>>
>>
>>
>> --
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>>
>
>
>
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Re: rsync`

[Brien Dieterle]

I don't think your sdcard is even mounted.  Try this:
http://www.pkill-9.com/mount-usb-micro-sd-card-linux-automount/

Also, until you are confident it is configured correctly, you should really
use -n (or --dry-run) for rsync so you don't accidentally... oh, delete
everything :-)

On Mon, Oct 10, 2016 at 6:02 PM, Michael  wrote:

> I found the solution and I labled my device but:
>
> $ sudo mlabel p:kingston64
> $ rsync -aWuq --delete-before /home/bmike1/Documents
> /media/bmike1/Kingston64
> rsync: mkdir "/media/bmike1/Kingston64" failed: Permission denied (13)
> rsync error: error in file IO (code 11) at main.c(674) [Receiver=3.1.0]
>
> So this means permissions are wrong on the device?
>
> $ sudo chmod 007 <-I only have one user so is this good?
>
> On Mon, Oct 10, 2016 at 8:54 PM, Michael  wrote:
>
>> okay I googled and I searched and found the solution to my problem:
>>
>> http://www.pkill-9.com/label-ms-dos-flash-drive-micro-sd-car
>> d-mtools-linux/
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Oct 10, 2016 at 8:17 AM, Michael  wrote:
>>
>>> I just got a 64gb card to rsync my hard drive on to How do I see what
>>> the card is listed as? (/media/bmike1/)
>>>
>>> This is the command I use:
>>>
>>>   rsync -aWuq --delete-before /home/bmike1/Documents\
>>>   /media/bmike1/
>>>
>>> I have two questions. I want to retain the dos format so to name it
>>> would I use the command 'dosfslabel' or would another be more approprialte?
>>>   and
>>> would I use the same command?
>>>
>>> --
>>> :-)~MIKE~(-:
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> :-)~MIKE~(-:
>>
>
>
>
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Re: Apache PHP 7 PHP-FPM not working

[Brien Dieterle]

Do you need to a2enmod php7?

On Sat, Sep 17, 2016 at 6:59 PM, Keith Smith 
wrote:

>
>
> Hi,
>
> I'm configuring Ubuntu 16.04 with Apache 2.4, PHP 7 PHP-FPM and MariaDB.
>
> If I go to the IP I see the default HTML page.  I added a file info.php
> with  download the file.
>
> Here is roughly what I did:
>
> apt-get -y install mariadb-server mariadb-client
> mysql_secure_installation
> apt-get -y install apache2
> apt-get -y install php7.0 libapache2-mod-php7.0
> apt-get -y install php7.0-mysql
>
> added the following to /etc/apache2/sites-available/000-default.conf
>
>
>  Require all granted
> 
>
> 
>
>   AddType application/x-httpd-php .php
>   AddType application/x-httpd-php .php7
>   Action application/x-httpd-php /php7-fcgi
>
> AddHandler php7-fcgi .php
> Action php7-fcgi /php7-fcgi
> Alias /php7-fcgi /usr/lib/cgi-bin/php7-fcgi
> # socket version
> #FastCgiExternalServer /usr/lib/cgi-bin/php7-fcgi -socket
> /var/run/php/php7.0-fpm.sock -pass-header Authorization
> FastCgiExternalServer /usr/lib/cgi-bin/php7-fcgi -flush
> -idle-timeout 300 -host 127.0.0.1:9000 -pass-header Authorization
> 
>
>
>
> systemctl restart apache2
> sudo a2enconf php7.0-fpm
> service apache2 reload
> I've also run service php7.0-fpm restart
>
> Thank you in advance for any help!!
>
> Keith
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Re: GTK3 v 3.10

[Brien Dieterle]

You might need to install build dependencies.  For debian/ubuntu run
something like
apt-get build-dep darktable

On Wed, Sep 7, 2016 at 1:04 PM, Michael  wrote:

>
> Well, darktable has a bug fix release and there is something concerning my
> camera in the fix so I figured I would install it. Unfortunately, during
> system check it said:
>
> -- checking for module 'gtk+-3.0'
> --   package 'gtk+-3.0' not found
> CMake Error at cmake/modules/FindGTK3.cmake:52 (message):
>   GTK3 version check failed.  Version was found, at least version 3.10 is
>   required
> Call Stack (most recent call first):
>   src/CMakeLists.txt:136 (find_package)
>
>
> -- Configuring incomplete, errors occurred!
> See also "/home/bmike1/Documents/Programs/darktable-2.0.6/
> build/CMakeFiles/CMakeOutput.log".
> See also "/home/bmike1/Documents/Programs/darktable-2.0.6/
> build/CMakeFiles/CMakeError.log".
>
> How do I install gtk+-3.0 ?
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Re: MacBook

[Brien Dieterle]

Enough said. "Natural" scroll is an abomination.

On Aug 25, 2016 6:16 PM, "Keith Smith"  wrote:

>
>
> Scroll.
>
> On 2016-08-24 21:14, Victor D Odhner wrote:
>
>> I retired from my *nix work early 2013 and have left technical
>> projects for people activities. I have used a Macbook Pro since then,
>> and love it for portability and ruggedness - yay SSD!, I've fumbled it
>> a few times when running, once on concrete, keeps on ticking. I have
>> not been a developer in that environment, yet have noted several
>> little breaks in compatibility that could trip you up. I'm sure there
>> are web sites discussing that.
>>
>> I still visit my mint/mate desktop periodically as my "real home." I
>> also use a Mac Mini at church running music apps, and that was a great
>> and affordable choice.
>>
>> We have bought the extended warranty and I enjoyed several
>> consultations at the Genius Bar, for other Macs in the family; now
>> those are mostly replaced by Windows boxes, largely second hand. (I
>> use Computers&? -- "Computers And Questions" -- on Tatum south of
>> Bell, true geeks who give solid service on not-new boxes for not-rich
>> clients.)
>>
>> Remember that Mac is a culture, designed for people with a twitter
>> attention span. Apple cares not at all about making this work with
>> other brands. Like M$ and Google, they want to own you. They nag you
>> to take new OS updates, adding features for better one-ness with all
>> your other Apple toys (I have none) and possibly breaking
>> geek-critical functions. And remember how Motorola users were
>> abandoned when they switched to Intel.
>>
>
>
> I wrote a research paper on Apple in about 1989.  That was when I learned
> Apple had twice failed to be backward compatible during upgrades.  That and
> the cost kept me away from Apple way back then.
>
>
>
>
>
>> So while a Macbook *is* great in a lot of ways, doing nice glossy
>> things and looking a lot like home when you're on the command line,
>> you might want to keep a Linux system warmed up to host some basic
>> functions that Apple can't make money on and therefore won't mind
>> screwing up.
>>
>> Good luck.
>>
>>  Original message 
>> From: Eric Oyen
>> Date:2016/08/24 20:22 (GMT-07:00)
>> To: Main PLUG discussion list
>>
>> Subject: Re: MacBook
>>
>> who was screaming that the post was irrelevant? I certainly wasn't. :)
>>
>> At the end of the day, Linux still needs a lot of work to be
>> considered to be a viable desktop production environment.
>>
>> can you get quicken for linux? what about Peachtree? How about a full
>> office suite that can do the same things that MS office can do? what
>> about some of the other mainstream office and production apps? are
>> there many equivalents or direct replacements? THis is the primary
>> problem I have seen with linux over the years. great OS support, but
>> lousy where it counts.
>>
>> -eric
>>
>> On Aug 24, 2016, at 5:24 PM, James Dugger wrote:
>>
>> Short answer: Regarding Business productivity - My advice go with
>>> the Macbook Pro. Also I believe you can get a 13-inch with 16GB and
>>> a 500GB SSD for less than $2k.
>>>
>>> I switched from Microsoft to Linux on all servers and desktops in my
>>> former business only to switch the desktops to Apple products from
>>> Linux. Linux just doesn't have parody in new application
>>> implementations on the desktop where it mattered. And I haven't met
>>> a business owner yet who was willing to hang out in Linux until
>>> someone got around to making it work.
>>>
>>> Regarding the cost - My experience is the any of the professional
>>> line laptops in any brand end up with a unit cost of use less than
>>> their cheaper counterparts. The MacBook Pro is no different and is
>>> comparably priced to any of these lines when you spec the stuff
>>> inside.
>>>
>>> MacBook Pro is the developers choice because at any price it is the
>>> only product on which you can easily build a development environment
>>> for any of the other environments. If your going to spend $2k on a
>>> laptop it better work in all of the possible environments in which
>>> may need to develop.
>>>
>>> A question was asked regarding the relevance of posting this to a
>>> Linux list. How about this - I love Linux and develop products that
>>> are used in the tens of thousands of Linux instances in my company
>>> everyday... but I could write a book about how frustrating it is
>>> that I don't have the option to have Linux as a viable OS option on
>>> the desktop in a business use case, ironically in a company that is
>>> central to the use of Linux in an industry.
>>>
>>> On Wed, Aug 24, 2016 at 12:31 PM, Eric Oyen 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> yes, as my old 2007 whitebook can attest. unfortunately, the
>>> software and some of the apps are no longer supported and getting
>>> anything newer on here just isn't going to happen. where does this
>>> leave me? well, stuck on old hardware that is 

Re: removal of previous entries

[Brien Dieterle]

I think he means Form History.   If using Firefox, go to
Tools--Addons--Extensions.  Search for something like "form history" and
there are a variety of tools to allow selective editing, such as this one:
http://formhistory.blogspot.com/


On Wed, Aug 24, 2016 at 4:36 AM, Michael  wrote:

> I have an entry field for a username. If I click on it it gives a list of
> previously used usernames. How do I delete those previously used usernames
> for a certain page while retaining them for other pages?
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Re: other drive

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You can use a graphical tool to find what is using space:
http://www.makeuseof.com/tag/how-to-analyze-your-disk-usage-pattern-in-linux/

You probably already have Baobab

On Fri, Aug 19, 2016 at 6:02 AM, Michael  wrote:

> I set my computer up with home on it's own drive. I discovered last night
> (when I was my gigapixel rendering) the setup is screwed up somehow (I came
> close to running out of disk space and df says there is a LOT of space on
> home). Could someone tell me where I screwed up and how to fix this? Well
> looking at df again it says /home is using 50 gig which indicates it is
> being used. Why did I run out of room?
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Re: Movie editing:

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Try kdenlive and openshot.

On Aug 17, 2016 12:07 PM, "Michael"  wrote:

> If everything goes as planned I will soon be taking people on virtual
> tours of the homes I am photographing. Unfortunately that means I need to
> learn the art of editing them. What program do you recommend I apt-get to
> this purpose? I know I can look in synaptic (and I will) but I want
> recommendations as well. I don't want to get something no one uses and not
> be able to help me with.
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Re: exposure

[Brien Dieterle]

2 or more photos are required, the more photos at different exposures, the
more range is captured.  Each photo only capture a certain range of values,
or details.  So your EV+2 will get shadow details and your EV-2 will get
details in the bright areas, like clouds.  Your EV+0 will get the best
details in your middle values.   So the software helps you mix the 3 (or
more) photos together to have the most range possible--High Dynamic Range.

In the olden days you could take two photos of a landscape, one over
exposed for the clouds and a normal exposure for the land.  You'd cut the
photo in half and paste the clouds onto the land-- old school HDR!

On Jul 21, 2016 8:57 PM, "Michael"  wrote:

I was wondering: To do an HDR picture you need three or more photos at
different exposures. Well, I got a Nikon and it has something called D
Lighting which is (as far as I can tell) where the Nikon takes an image and
gives the image you take + and - 1 EV and then gives you an HDR image.  I
don not like NOT having control of my image when it is creating the HDR
image. Anyone know of a program that will take an image and give it a plus
and minus value you want and spit the images out so that he can play with
it in LuminanceHDR?  I got it. LuminanceHDR will do it. Make
three copies and adjust the EV setting in the HDR Creation window. Not
quite as quick as I was looking for but it will work.

I've been wondering: How is using more than three different exposures
beneficial? Should you have an odd number of exposures with EV 0 being the
one in the middle?

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Re: Network question/problem

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Try disabling dhcp server on the action tec
http://screenshots.portforward.com/routers/Actiontec/PK5000_-_Qwest/DHCP_Settings.jpg
On Jun 13, 2016 6:28 PM, "Michael"  wrote:

> it is  a dsl modem model pk5000
>
>
> On Mon, Jun 13, 2016 at 9:26 PM, Michael  wrote:
>
>> well... what I meant is why are we pinging it. is it because it will
>> definitely be up?
>>
>> On Mon, Jun 13, 2016 at 9:24 PM, Michael  wrote:
>>
>>> the problem is the router I'm putting between the ups and the computer.
>>>
>>> On Mon, Jun 13, 2016 at 9:22 PM, Michael  wrote:
>>>
 If I remember correctly it is going from one network to the 102.x.y.z
 and you need to do something. But I don't know what or if i'm even right!

 On Mon, Jun 13, 2016 at 9:19 PM, Michael  wrote:

> $ ifconfig
> eth0  Link encap:Ethernet  HWaddr 6c:f0:49:02:01:01
>   inet addr:192.168.0.2  Bcast:192.168.0.255
>  Mask:255.255.255.0
>   inet6 addr: fe80::6ef0:49ff:fe02:101/64 Scope:Link
>   UP BROADCAST RUNNING MULTICAST  MTU:1500  Metric:1
>   RX packets:156578 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 frame:0
>   TX packets:126871 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 carrier:0
>   collisions:0 txqueuelen:1000
>   RX bytes:130205946 (130.2 MB)  TX bytes:25451448 (25.4 MB)
>
> loLink encap:Local Loopback
>   inet addr:127.0.0.1  Mask:255.0.0.0
>   inet6 addr: ::1/128 Scope:Host
>   UP LOOPBACK RUNNING  MTU:65536  Metric:1
>   RX packets:11188 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 frame:0
>   TX packets:11188 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 carrier:0
>   collisions:0 txqueuelen:0
>   RX bytes:960230 (960.2 KB)  TX bytes:960230 (960.2 KB)
>
> bmike1@MikesBeast ~ $ netstat -rn
> Kernel IP routing table
> Destination Gateway Genmask Flags   MSS Window
>  irtt Iface
> 0.0.0.0 192.168.0.1 0.0.0.0 UG0 0
>  0 eth0
> 192.168.0.0 0.0.0.0 255.255.255.0   U 0 0
>  0 eth0
>
>
> On Mon, Jun 13, 2016 at 9:16 PM, Herminio Hernandez Jr. <
> herminio.hernande...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> That is google dns. Ok run these commands
>>
>> ifconfig and
>> netstat -rn
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On Jun 13, 2016, at 6:08 PM, Michael  wrote:
>>
>> what is 8.8.8.8 ? I tried going to the site but nothing would connect.
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Jun 13, 2016 at 9:06 PM, Michael  wrote:
>>
>>> $ ping 8.8.8.8
>>> PING 8.8.8.8 (8.8.8.8) 56(84) bytes of data.
>>> ^C
>>> --- 8.8.8.8 ping statistics ---
>>> 194 packets transmitted, 0 received, 100% packet loss, time 194542ms
>>>
>>>
>>> On Mon, Jun 13, 2016 at 9:00 PM, Herminio Hernandez Jr. <
>>> herminio.hernande...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
 Ping 8.8.8.8 what are your results?

 Sent from my iPhone

 On Jun 13, 2016, at 5:49 PM, Michael  wrote:

 I have an old actiontech modem/router. I want to run from my modem
 to the UPS to it and from there to the two computers (I just figured 
 this
 out ) so the NIC cards of the two computers are protected. Anyways, the
 network icon indicates there is connection and the info window that 
 tells
 you if you are connected or disconnected says that I'm connected but:

  $ ping google.com
  ping: unknown host google.com

 Could someone tell me how to fix this?

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Re: Preferred loop structure not working in bash 4.2

[Brien Dieterle]

Are you running with sh or with bash?  This post might be relevant:

http://stackoverflow.com/questions/13085253/writing-a-for-loop-in-bash-using-a-variable



On Tue, Jun 7, 2016 at 10:45 AM, Bryan O'Neal
 wrote:
> In centos7, bash 4.2, I am rejected when I try and run my preferred
> iterative loop and I don't know why it no longer likes it
>
> for (( i = ${floor}; i < ${ceiling}; i++ )); do
> things_and_stuff
> done
>
> Anyone know why?
>
> Yes I can still do
> i=${floor}
> while [[ $(( i += 1 )) -le ${ceiling} ]]; do
> things_and_stuff
> done
>
> but it doesn't help me understand why the first construct no longer
> functions.
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Re: remote ssh commands

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You probably have a blank line in your serverlist.txt, resulting in
$server being null:

ping .localdomain
PING .localdomain(localhost (::1%1)) 56 data bytes
64 bytes from localhost (::1): icmp_seq=1 ttl=64 time=0.017 ms
64 bytes from localhost (::1): icmp_seq=2 ttl=64 time=0.022 ms



On Tue, May 31, 2016 at 9:22 PM, Nadim Hoque  wrote:
> Fellow Pluggers,
>
> So I am trying to perform a remote poweroff command and for some reason the
> host powers itself off. I am able to run another command such as yum just
> fine but when I try to execute the poweroff command the host turns off as
> well. Below is the script that I am running
>
>
>
> #!/bin/bash
>
> for server in $(cat serverlist.txt); do
>ssh $server.localdomain 'yum update -y && poweroff'
> done
>
> Also note that the serverlist.txt does not contain the host itself. Thanks
> for the help.
>
> Nadim Hoque
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Re: Firefox endless crashing ...

[Brien Dieterle]

Try clicking the help ? Button then troubleshooting information.  Then try
the refresh Firefox button.

If that doesn't help you could rename the hidden Firefox folder in you home
directory.  Might be .mozilla

Maybe you could create a new user and see if that user has issues, then you
know it is your profile or not.
On May 18, 2016 11:48 AM,  wrote:

> On Linux Mint 17 Firefox 46 is crashing in numerous
> situations, including even when I try to run in safe mode,
> it just crashes. Everything else on my system is working
> fine and the system is up to date.
>
> I have tried reinstalling Firefox; even tried complete
> uninstall and fresh install.  But the problem continues t
> the same.
>
> Cannot open either extensions or add-ons because Firefox
> instantly crashes.
>
> Tried opening a private window and then I could get to
> extensions and add-ons, so I disabled them all, but
> when I restart Firefox, it crashes again.
>
> Help!
>
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Re: rsync problem

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Well it is formatted for Windows vfat but it is mounted RW so there was
probably an error that caused it to remount read only.  I'd backup any data
you need off that drive and run
sudo umount /dev/sdd1
sudo fsck.vfat -a /dev/sdd1
to check and repair filesystem errors.
On May 10, 2016 3:39 AM, "Michael"  wrote:

> /dev/sdd1 on /media/bmike1/RedSanDisk type vfat
> (rw,nosuid,nodev,uid=1000,gid=1000,shortname=mixed,dmask=0077,utf8=1,showexec,flush,uhelper=udisks2)
>
>
> On Tue, May 10, 2016 at 12:18 AM, James Mcphee  wrote:
>
>> Plug it in, run "mount", just the command, no options, to print mount
>> options, and show us the filesystem and options?
>>
>> On Mon, May 9, 2016 at 8:28 PM, Michael  wrote:
>>
>>> df says it is 85% full with 5 G left of 30. I sure hope it isn't
>>> dying I bought it less than a year ago. I only write to it around 8
>>> times a month. as for how it is mounted this is the first time it has
>>> messed up on me since I bought it.
>>>
>>> On Mon, May 9, 2016 at 11:01 PM, Bob Elzer  wrote:
>>>
 I have a feeling that your USB drive may be dying.

 If it is flash, how many times have you copied to it? A lot?

 What size is it? Is it near full?
 On May 9, 2016 7:21 PM, "Michael"  wrote:

> what about this:
> "read only file system" thing?
>
> On Mon, May 9, 2016 at 10:15 PM, Sesso  wrote:
>
>> Try using just --delete instead of --delete-before
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On May 9, 2016, at 7:09 PM, Michael  wrote:
>>
>> well, I just ran it with the trailing slash and it gave me the same
>> output as before except it happened immediately. The USB drive wasn't
>> accessd for five minutes.
>>
>> On Mon, May 9, 2016 at 10:04 PM, Bob Elzer 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> My syncs look like this
>>>
>>> Rsync -rauh  --delete  /frompath/fromdir   /topath/todir
>>>
>>> This copies the fromdir into the todir directory and copies all
>>> files and directories below fromdir
>>>
>>> -r   recursive
>>> -a  archive - which is synonymous to -rlptgoD
>>> -u  update :don't over write newer files
>>> -W  copy whole files (don't do delta)
>>> -h  human readable numbers
>>>
>>> This backs up my stuff to an external drive, thus I don't need to do
>>> a delta or compression because it is all local
>>> --delete  Any files that were removed from the source will be
>>> removed from the destination
>>>
>>> If I were copying across a network, I add -z  and remove -W
>>> Which will compress the transfer and only send changes when possible.
>>>
>>> Normally I use --quiet and change it to --verbose or --progress when
>>> I want to monitor it
>>> On May 9, 2016 4:05 PM, "Michael"  wrote:
>>>
 When I run rsync one file (a directory) will not sync and the files
 in that file. I was wondering why. I thought that maybe if the file 
 was in
 there to start that would fix it and it does so if only temporarily. 
 Upon
 the next run of rsync the directory in question is deleted.
 the command that is run:
  $ rsync -aWuq --delete-before /home/bmike1/Documents
 /media/bmike1/RedSanDisk



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Re: rsync problem

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Your file system is mounted read only.  Is it NTFS?  You need to mount it
RW.  NTFS might require additional tools
On May 9, 2016 7:21 PM, "Michael"  wrote:

> what about this:
> "read only file system" thing?
>
> On Mon, May 9, 2016 at 10:15 PM, Sesso  wrote:
>
>> Try using just --delete instead of --delete-before
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On May 9, 2016, at 7:09 PM, Michael  wrote:
>>
>> well, I just ran it with the trailing slash and it gave me the same
>> output as before except it happened immediately. The USB drive wasn't
>> accessd for five minutes.
>>
>> On Mon, May 9, 2016 at 10:04 PM, Bob Elzer  wrote:
>>
>>> My syncs look like this
>>>
>>> Rsync -rauh  --delete  /frompath/fromdir   /topath/todir
>>>
>>> This copies the fromdir into the todir directory and copies all files
>>> and directories below fromdir
>>>
>>> -r   recursive
>>> -a  archive - which is synonymous to -rlptgoD
>>> -u  update :don't over write newer files
>>> -W  copy whole files (don't do delta)
>>> -h  human readable numbers
>>>
>>> This backs up my stuff to an external drive, thus I don't need to do a
>>> delta or compression because it is all local
>>> --delete  Any files that were removed from the source will be removed
>>> from the destination
>>>
>>> If I were copying across a network, I add -z  and remove -W
>>> Which will compress the transfer and only send changes when possible.
>>>
>>> Normally I use --quiet and change it to --verbose or --progress when I
>>> want to monitor it
>>> On May 9, 2016 4:05 PM, "Michael"  wrote:
>>>
 When I run rsync one file (a directory) will not sync and the files in
 that file. I was wondering why. I thought that maybe if the file was in
 there to start that would fix it and it does so if only temporarily. Upon
 the next run of rsync the directory in question is deleted.
 the command that is run:
  $ rsync -aWuq --delete-before /home/bmike1/Documents
 /media/bmike1/RedSanDisk



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Re: Libre Office comes pre-installed on Mint. Software manger says not installed.

[Brien Dieterle]

My guess is you are looking at the meta package that installs everything
for libreoffice.  Go ahead and select it and it should install base too.
On Apr 21, 2016 5:19 PM, "Keith Smith"  wrote:

>
>
> Hi,
>
> I'm running Mint 17 KDE and want to use Libre Office Base to create some
> entity relationship diagrams.  Mint came with Libre Office pre installed,
> however there is not Base.
>
> I saw a suggestion to use the software manager to do the install.  I
> opened it and searched for Libre Office.  It said it is not installed.  How
> could that be?  I use Libre Office all the time.  It is there.
>
> Thank you in advance for your insight.
>
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Re: 32-bit Flash?

[Brien Dieterle]

PepperFreshplayer might work; it downloads chrome and extracts the
flash plugin.  I have no idea if it will download the 64bit chrome and
if that will work for 32bit FF, though.

https://wiki.debian.org/PepperFlashPlayer/Installing

Mind you, the update script broke recently, but there is a patch here:

https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=818540

Your other option is to just just use the normal flashplugin-nonfree
on firefox-- it is old but they still maintain security updates.

On Mon, Apr 18, 2016 at 3:41 PM, Tom Roche  wrote:
>
> Is there a better short-term option for playing Flash video (or whatever 
> Adobe calls it now) on 32-bit linuxen than just keeping Chrome? Why I ask:
>
> IIUC (and please lemme know if any of the following are incorrect):
>
> 1. Chrome has been the best (if not the only) option for playing Flash on 
> Linux for several years now, since Adobe discontinued Linux support.
>
> 2. Chrome continues to be a good (or the best?) Flash option for 64-bit 
> hardware, but Google has discontinued support for 32-bit Chrome.
>
> 3. Web video providers continue to migrate to HTML5, but there's still a 
> lotta Flash video out there.
>
> So a friend is taking a ~6-month trip and wants a cheap/disposable laptop. 
> I'm gonna give her my old 32-bit ThinkPad to try out: it's quite performant 
> with LMDE (up-to-date on Debian 8) and Xfce but may be too weird for a 
> Windows user. However I know she's gonna wanna play video. The TP plays DVDs 
> well, and its Firefox plays HTML5 video well, and its now-discontinued Chrome 
> plays Flash and HTML5 video well. I'm just wondering if there's 
> another/better option for 32-bit Flash, given that 32-bit Chrome is not gonna 
> update on Linux.
>
> FWIW, Tom Roche 
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Re: add-apt-repository

[Brien Dieterle]

Oh is it asking you to confirm adding the ppa and hitting enter is like
yes?  If so try adding a -y
http://manpages.ubuntu.com/manpages/wily/man1/add-apt-repository.1.html

You could add -r to remove them and try again.
On Mar 26, 2016 9:14 PM, "Michael" <bmi...@gmail.com> wrote:

> no they all returned the same error. I just didn't include the full
> print out because it was redundant. When I run the command without the \r
> they will all run without error after I press the enter. however, because
> the ppa is already installed it says that nothing has changed.
>
> On Sun, Mar 27, 2016 at 12:09 AM, Brien Dieterle <bri...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> The "do" will execute the command without a /r, but it didn't break the
>> command either.  It looks like one of your ppa does not support the version
>> of your Ubuntu.  I bet the rest of them added OK though.  You should see
>> them when you run
>> apt-cache policy
>> On Mar 26, 2016 8:47 PM, "Michael" <bmi...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> I was wondering what I should do to enter a carriage return after each
>>> add-apt and I didn't want to ask so I did a search for the information.
>>> I discovered that to do it I just need to put a '\r'. Cool? I thought
>>> so until I ran the command. After running the command it spat out:
>>>
>>> $ for rep in ppa:dhor/myway ppa:hugin/hugin-builds
>>> ppa:mc3man/trusty-media ppa:nilarimogard/webupd8
>>> ppa:otto-kesselgulasch/gimp ppa:yannubuntu/boot-repair; do sudo
>>> add-apt-repository $rep\r ; done
>>> [sudo] password for bmike1:
>>> 'This PPA does not support trusty'
>>> Cannot add PPA: ''This PPA does not support trusty''.
>>>
>>> I'm pretty sure the problem is the \r because it doesn't say that when I
>>> hit the return key.
>>> My websearch was fruitless so. will I just have to press enter
>>>
>>> On Sat, Mar 26, 2016 at 9:23 PM, Michael <bmi...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> DUH! I should have looked at it and figured it out. Thanks for that
>>>> buddy.
>>>>
>>>> On Sat, Mar 26, 2016 at 8:38 PM, Brien Dieterle <bri...@gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Put the sudo in front of the add add repo command, or see this
>>>>> http://stackoverflow.com/questions/10889072/using-sudo-with-for-loop
>>>>> On Mar 25, 2016 8:00 PM, "Michael" <bmi...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> not quite:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> sudo for rep in ppa:dhor/myway ppa:hugin/hugin-builds
>>>>>> ppa:mc3man/trusty-media ppa:nilarimogard/webupd8
>>>>>> ppa:otto-kesselgulasch/gimp ppa:yannubuntu/boot-repair; do
>>>>>> add-apt-repository $rep ; done
>>>>>> bash: syntax error near unexpected token `do'
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Fri, Mar 25, 2016 at 9:57 PM, Rusty Carruth <
>>>>>> rustyca...@descomp.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 03/25/2016 01:30 PM, Carruth, Rusty wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> for rep in   < whatever3> ; do
>>>>>>> add-apt-repository $rep ; done
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> There.  A command that will take a list of repos.  And if you did
>>>>>>> that a lot, make it an alias or a function:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> function addrepos() { for rep in $* ; do add-apt-repository $rep ;
>>>>>>> done ; }
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Put in bashrc or whatever and there you go, a single command.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> *From:* plug-discuss-boun...@lists.phxlinux.org [
>>>>>>> mailto:plug-discuss-boun...@lists.phxlinux.org
>>>>>>> <plug-discuss-boun...@lists.phxlinux.org>] *On Behalf Of *Michael
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> bummer. thanks for the news!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>

Re: add-apt-repository

[Brien Dieterle]

The "do" will execute the command without a /r, but it didn't break the
command either.  It looks like one of your ppa does not support the version
of your Ubuntu.  I bet the rest of them added OK though.  You should see
them when you run
apt-cache policy
On Mar 26, 2016 8:47 PM, "Michael" <bmi...@gmail.com> wrote:

> I was wondering what I should do to enter a carriage return after each
> add-apt and I didn't want to ask so I did a search for the information.
> I discovered that to do it I just need to put a '\r'. Cool? I thought
> so until I ran the command. After running the command it spat out:
>
> $ for rep in ppa:dhor/myway ppa:hugin/hugin-builds ppa:mc3man/trusty-media
> ppa:nilarimogard/webupd8 ppa:otto-kesselgulasch/gimp
> ppa:yannubuntu/boot-repair; do sudo add-apt-repository $rep\r ; done
> [sudo] password for bmike1:
> 'This PPA does not support trusty'
> Cannot add PPA: ''This PPA does not support trusty''.
>
> I'm pretty sure the problem is the \r because it doesn't say that when I
> hit the return key.
> My websearch was fruitless so. will I just have to press enter
>
> On Sat, Mar 26, 2016 at 9:23 PM, Michael <bmi...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> DUH! I should have looked at it and figured it out. Thanks for that buddy.
>>
>> On Sat, Mar 26, 2016 at 8:38 PM, Brien Dieterle <bri...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Put the sudo in front of the add add repo command, or see this
>>> http://stackoverflow.com/questions/10889072/using-sudo-with-for-loop
>>> On Mar 25, 2016 8:00 PM, "Michael" <bmi...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> not quite:
>>>>
>>>> sudo for rep in ppa:dhor/myway ppa:hugin/hugin-builds
>>>> ppa:mc3man/trusty-media ppa:nilarimogard/webupd8
>>>> ppa:otto-kesselgulasch/gimp ppa:yannubuntu/boot-repair; do
>>>> add-apt-repository $rep ; done
>>>> bash: syntax error near unexpected token `do'
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Fri, Mar 25, 2016 at 9:57 PM, Rusty Carruth <rustyca...@descomp.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On 03/25/2016 01:30 PM, Carruth, Rusty wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> for rep in   < whatever3> ; do
>>>>> add-apt-repository $rep ; done
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> There.  A command that will take a list of repos.  And if you did that
>>>>> a lot, make it an alias or a function:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> function addrepos() { for rep in $* ; do add-apt-repository $rep ;
>>>>> done ; }
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Put in bashrc or whatever and there you go, a single command.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> *From:* plug-discuss-boun...@lists.phxlinux.org [
>>>>> mailto:plug-discuss-boun...@lists.phxlinux.org
>>>>> <plug-discuss-boun...@lists.phxlinux.org>] *On Behalf Of *Michael
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> bummer. thanks for the news!
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Fri, Mar 25, 2016 at 1:01 PM, Brian Cluff <br...@snaptek.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> add-apt-repository only takes a single repository at a time.
>>>>>
>>>>> Brian
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On 03/25/2016 06:10 AM, Michael wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> does  'add-apt-repository ' work like 'apt-get install
>>>>> ' where you can just list the repositories after one
>>>>> ' add-apt-repository?
>>>>>
>>>>> 'add-apt-repository'
>>>>>
>>>>>
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Re: add-apt-repository

[Brien Dieterle]

Put the sudo in front of the add add repo command, or see this
http://stackoverflow.com/questions/10889072/using-sudo-with-for-loop
On Mar 25, 2016 8:00 PM, "Michael"  wrote:

> not quite:
>
> sudo for rep in ppa:dhor/myway ppa:hugin/hugin-builds
> ppa:mc3man/trusty-media ppa:nilarimogard/webupd8
> ppa:otto-kesselgulasch/gimp ppa:yannubuntu/boot-repair; do
> add-apt-repository $rep ; done
> bash: syntax error near unexpected token `do'
>
>
> On Fri, Mar 25, 2016 at 9:57 PM, Rusty Carruth 
> wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> On 03/25/2016 01:30 PM, Carruth, Rusty wrote:
>>
>> for rep in   < whatever3> ; do add-apt-repository
>> $rep ; done
>>
>>
>>
>> There.  A command that will take a list of repos.  And if you did that a
>> lot, make it an alias or a function:
>>
>>
>>
>> function addrepos() { for rep in $* ; do add-apt-repository $rep ; done ;
>> }
>>
>>
>>
>> Put in bashrc or whatever and there you go, a single command.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* plug-discuss-boun...@lists.phxlinux.org [
>> mailto:plug-discuss-boun...@lists.phxlinux.org
>> ] *On Behalf Of *Michael
>>
>>
>>
>> bummer. thanks for the news!
>>
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Mar 25, 2016 at 1:01 PM, Brian Cluff  wrote:
>>
>> add-apt-repository only takes a single repository at a time.
>>
>> Brian
>>
>>
>>
>> On 03/25/2016 06:10 AM, Michael wrote:
>>
>> does  'add-apt-repository ' work like 'apt-get install
>> ' where you can just list the repositories after one
>> ' add-apt-repository?
>>
>> 'add-apt-repository'
>>
>>
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