By the way, do you have an AMD cpu? The sensors output does not seem to include the CPU, and I read it is hard to get them from AMD cpus. So, your numbers might be a lot higher than what you see there.
On Mon, Oct 30, 2017 at 7:01 PM, Michael <bmi...@gmail.com> wrote: > I'm going to run the gl test and run audio at the same time. That should > make it crash sooner and the audio will also make it not go to sleep.... > While i sleep. > > On Mon, Oct 30, 2017 at 9:48 PM, Michael <bmi...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> i'm trying to recreate the crash to make sure I didn't copy and paste the >> stress command with a blank space in it (which would cause the command to >> execute). >> >> On Mon, Oct 30, 2017 at 9:29 PM, Michael <bmi...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >>> I think glmark2 crashed it just crashed it after about 2 hours >>> >>> >>> >>> On Mon, Oct 30, 2017 at 9:19 PM, Michael <bmi...@gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>>> final reading: >>>> $ sensors >>>> radeon-pci-0100 >>>> Adapter: PCI adapter >>>> temp1: +75.0°C >>>> >>>> k10temp-pci-00c3 >>>> Adapter: PCI adapter >>>> temp1: +53.8°C (high = +70.0°C) >>>> (crit = +72.0°C, hyst = +70.0°C) >>>> >>>> editors note: the computer has 2 venting areas with fans. I just took >>>> the side panel of and am going to run the computer without it. The new >>>> reading since doing that about 3 minutes ago is: >>>> >>>> bmike1@MikesBeast ~ $ sensors >>>> radeon-pci-0100 >>>> Adapter: PCI adapter >>>> temp1: +72.5°C >>>> >>>> k10temp-pci-00c3 >>>> Adapter: PCI adapter >>>> temp1: +49.5°C (high = +70.0°C) >>>> (crit = +72.0°C, hyst = +70.0°C) >>>> >>>> bmike1@MikesBeast ~ $ sensors >>>> radeon-pci-0100 >>>> Adapter: PCI adapter >>>> temp1: +73.0°C >>>> >>>> k10temp-pci-00c3 >>>> Adapter: PCI adapter >>>> temp1: +50.0°C (high = +70.0°C) >>>> (crit = +72.0°C, hyst = +70.0°C) >>>> >>>> bmike1@MikesBeast ~ $ sensors >>>> radeon-pci-0100 >>>> Adapter: PCI adapter >>>> temp1: +73.0°C >>>> >>>> k10temp-pci-00c3 >>>> Adapter: PCI adapter >>>> temp1: +49.9°C (high = +70.0°C) >>>> (crit = +72.0°C, hyst = +70.0°C) >>>> >>>> bmike1@MikesBeast ~ $ sensors >>>> radeon-pci-0100 >>>> Adapter: PCI adapter >>>> temp1: +72.0°C >>>> >>>> k10temp-pci-00c3 >>>> Adapter: PCI adapter >>>> temp1: +53.0°C (high = +70.0°C) >>>> (crit = +72.0°C, hyst = +70.0°C) >>>> >>>> bmike1@MikesBeast ~ $ sensors >>>> radeon-pci-0100 >>>> Adapter: PCI adapter >>>> temp1: +71.5°C >>>> >>>> k10temp-pci-00c3 >>>> Adapter: PCI adapter >>>> temp1: +53.0°C (high = +70.0°C) >>>> (crit = +72.0°C, hyst = +70.0°C) >>>> >>>> bmike1@MikesBeast ~ $ sensors >>>> radeon-pci-0100 >>>> Adapter: PCI adapter >>>> temp1: +70.5°C >>>> >>>> k10temp-pci-00c3 >>>> Adapter: PCI adapter >>>> temp1: +52.2°C (high = +70.0°C) >>>> (crit = +72.0°C, hyst = +70.0°C) >>>> >>>> bmike1@MikesBeast ~ $ sensors >>>> radeon-pci-0100 >>>> Adapter: PCI adapter >>>> temp1: +70.5°C >>>> >>>> k10temp-pci-00c3 >>>> Adapter: PCI adapter >>>> temp1: +51.5°C (high = +70.0°C) >>>> (crit = +72.0°C, hyst = +70.0°C) >>>> >>>> bmike1@MikesBeast ~ $ sensors >>>> radeon-pci-0100 >>>> Adapter: PCI adapter >>>> temp1: +72.0°C >>>> >>>> k10temp-pci-00c3 >>>> Adapter: PCI adapter >>>> temp1: +51.0°C (high = +70.0°C) >>>> (crit = +72.0°C, hyst = +70.0°C) >>>> >>>> bmike1@MikesBeast ~ $ sensors >>>> radeon-pci-0100 >>>> Adapter: PCI adapter >>>> temp1: +72.0°C >>>> >>>> k10temp-pci-00c3 >>>> Adapter: PCI adapter >>>> temp1: +50.0°C (high = +70.0°C) >>>> (crit = +72.0°C, hyst = +70.0°C) >>>> >>>> bmike1@MikesBeast ~ $ sensors >>>> radeon-pci-0100 >>>> Adapter: PCI adapter >>>> temp1: +73.0°C >>>> >>>> k10temp-pci-00c3 >>>> Adapter: PCI adapter >>>> temp1: +50.5°C (high = +70.0°C) >>>> (crit = +72.0°C, hyst = +70.0°C) >>>> >>>> bmike1@MikesBeast ~ $ sensors >>>> radeon-pci-0100 >>>> Adapter: PCI adapter >>>> temp1: +72.5°C >>>> >>>> k10temp-pci-00c3 >>>> Adapter: PCI adapter >>>> temp1: +49.5°C (high = +70.0°C) >>>> (crit = +72.0°C, hyst = +70.0°C) >>>> >>>> Not bad.... about a 2C drop >>>> >>>> Now we crash it! >>>> See you on the other side! >>>> >>>> On Mon, Oct 30, 2017 at 8:35 PM, Michael <bmi...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>> >>>>> 'coo' is supposed to read 'cool' as in not shorts temperature >>>>> >>>>> On Mon, Oct 30, 2017 at 8:33 PM, Michael <bmi...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> I'm just about to take a reading and then run stress again. It is >>>>>> pretty coo, in here so not sure if a fan would do any good. >>>>>> $ sensors >>>>>> radeon-pci-0100 >>>>>> Adapter: PCI adapter >>>>>> temp1: +74.5°C >>>>>> >>>>>> k10temp-pci-00c3 >>>>>> Adapter: PCI adapter >>>>>> temp1: +51.6°C (high = +70.0°C) >>>>>> (crit = +72.0°C, hyst = +70.0°C) >>>>>> >>>>>> want me to crash it now? >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On Mon, Oct 30, 2017 at 8:30 PM, Brien Dieterle <bri...@gmail.com> >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Well, those temperatures are not that hot, but that doesn't mean >>>>>>> some cooling wouldn't improve things. >>>>>>> Have you popped the case off and pointed a big fan in there and >>>>>>> tried to reproduce the crash yet? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Mon, Oct 30, 2017 at 5:21 PM, Michael <bmi...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Here is around 180 seconds of readings at around 10 second >>>>>>>> intervals (if it helps): >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> $ sensors >>>>>>>> radeon-pci-0100 >>>>>>>> Adapter: PCI adapter >>>>>>>> temp1: +74.5°C >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> k10temp-pci-00c3 >>>>>>>> Adapter: PCI adapter >>>>>>>> temp1: +51.5°C (high = +70.0°C) >>>>>>>> (crit = +72.0°C, hyst = +70.0°C) >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> bmike1@MikesBeast ~ $ sensors >>>>>>>> radeon-pci-0100 >>>>>>>> Adapter: PCI adapter >>>>>>>> temp1: +75.5°C >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> k10temp-pci-00c3 >>>>>>>> Adapter: PCI adapter >>>>>>>> temp1: +51.0°C (high = +70.0°C) >>>>>>>> (crit = +72.0°C, hyst = +70.0°C) >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> bmike1@MikesBeast ~ $ sensors >>>>>>>> radeon-pci-0100 >>>>>>>> Adapter: PCI adapter >>>>>>>> temp1: +75.5°C >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> k10temp-pci-00c3 >>>>>>>> Adapter: PCI adapter >>>>>>>> temp1: +51.0°C (high = +70.0°C) >>>>>>>> (crit = +72.0°C, hyst = +70.0°C) >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> bmike1@MikesBeast ~ $ sensors >>>>>>>> radeon-pci-0100 >>>>>>>> Adapter: PCI adapter >>>>>>>> temp1: +75.5°C >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> k10temp-pci-00c3 >>>>>>>> Adapter: PCI adapter >>>>>>>> temp1: +51.4°C (high = +70.0°C) >>>>>>>> (crit = +72.0°C, hyst = +70.0°C) >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> bmike1@MikesBeast ~ $ sensors >>>>>>>> radeon-pci-0100 >>>>>>>> Adapter: PCI adapter >>>>>>>> temp1: +75.0°C >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> k10temp-pci-00c3 >>>>>>>> Adapter: PCI adapter >>>>>>>> temp1: +51.2°C (high = +70.0°C) >>>>>>>> (crit = +72.0°C, hyst = +70.0°C) >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> bmike1@MikesBeast ~ $ sensors >>>>>>>> radeon-pci-0100 >>>>>>>> Adapter: PCI adapter >>>>>>>> temp1: +75.5°C >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> k10temp-pci-00c3 >>>>>>>> Adapter: PCI adapter >>>>>>>> temp1: +51.0°C (high = +70.0°C) >>>>>>>> (crit = +72.0°C, hyst = +70.0°C) >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> bmike1@MikesBeast ~ $ sensors >>>>>>>> radeon-pci-0100 >>>>>>>> Adapter: PCI adapter >>>>>>>> temp1: +75.5°C >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> k10temp-pci-00c3 >>>>>>>> Adapter: PCI adapter >>>>>>>> temp1: +51.5°C (high = +70.0°C) >>>>>>>> (crit = +72.0°C, hyst = +70.0°C) >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> bmike1@MikesBeast ~ $ sensors >>>>>>>> radeon-pci-0100 >>>>>>>> Adapter: PCI adapter >>>>>>>> temp1: +75.0°C >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> k10temp-pci-00c3 >>>>>>>> Adapter: PCI adapter >>>>>>>> temp1: +50.9°C (high = +70.0°C) >>>>>>>> (crit = +72.0°C, hyst = +70.0°C) >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> bmike1@MikesBeast ~ $ sensors >>>>>>>> radeon-pci-0100 >>>>>>>> Adapter: PCI adapter >>>>>>>> temp1: +75.5°C >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> k10temp-pci-00c3 >>>>>>>> Adapter: PCI adapter >>>>>>>> temp1: +53.6°C (high = +70.0°C) >>>>>>>> (crit = +72.0°C, hyst = +70.0°C) >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> bmike1@MikesBeast ~ $ sensors >>>>>>>> radeon-pci-0100 >>>>>>>> Adapter: PCI adapter >>>>>>>> temp1: +75.0°C >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> k10temp-pci-00c3 >>>>>>>> Adapter: PCI adapter >>>>>>>> temp1: +52.4°C (high = +70.0°C) >>>>>>>> (crit = +72.0°C, hyst = +70.0°C) >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> bmike1@MikesBeast ~ $ sensors >>>>>>>> radeon-pci-0100 >>>>>>>> Adapter: PCI adapter >>>>>>>> temp1: +75.0°C >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> k10temp-pci-00c3 >>>>>>>> Adapter: PCI adapter >>>>>>>> temp1: +51.8°C (high = +70.0°C) >>>>>>>> (crit = +72.0°C, hyst = +70.0°C) >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> bmike1@MikesBeast ~ $ sensors >>>>>>>> radeon-pci-0100 >>>>>>>> Adapter: PCI adapter >>>>>>>> temp1: +74.5°C >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> k10temp-pci-00c3 >>>>>>>> Adapter: PCI adapter >>>>>>>> temp1: +51.1°C (high = +70.0°C) >>>>>>>> (crit = +72.0°C, hyst = +70.0°C) >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> bmike1@MikesBeast ~ $ sensors >>>>>>>> radeon-pci-0100 >>>>>>>> Adapter: PCI adapter >>>>>>>> temp1: +74.5°C >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> k10temp-pci-00c3 >>>>>>>> Adapter: PCI adapter >>>>>>>> temp1: +51.0°C (high = +70.0°C) >>>>>>>> (crit = +72.0°C, hyst = +70.0°C) >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> bmike1@MikesBeast ~ $ sensors >>>>>>>> radeon-pci-0100 >>>>>>>> Adapter: PCI adapter >>>>>>>> temp1: +74.5°C >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> k10temp-pci-00c3 >>>>>>>> Adapter: PCI adapter >>>>>>>> temp1: +52.0°C (high = +70.0°C) >>>>>>>> (crit = +72.0°C, hyst = +70.0°C) >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> bmike1@MikesBeast ~ $ sensors >>>>>>>> radeon-pci-0100 >>>>>>>> Adapter: PCI adapter >>>>>>>> temp1: +74.0°C >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> k10temp-pci-00c3 >>>>>>>> Adapter: PCI adapter >>>>>>>> temp1: +50.6°C (high = +70.0°C) >>>>>>>> (crit = +72.0°C, hyst = +70.0°C) >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> bmike1@MikesBeast ~ $ sensors >>>>>>>> radeon-pci-0100 >>>>>>>> Adapter: PCI adapter >>>>>>>> temp1: +74.5°C >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> k10temp-pci-00c3 >>>>>>>> Adapter: PCI adapter >>>>>>>> temp1: +51.4°C (high = +70.0°C) >>>>>>>> (crit = +72.0°C, hyst = +70.0°C) >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> bmike1@MikesBeast ~ $ sensors >>>>>>>> radeon-pci-0100 >>>>>>>> Adapter: PCI adapter >>>>>>>> temp1: +75.0°C >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> k10temp-pci-00c3 >>>>>>>> Adapter: PCI adapter >>>>>>>> temp1: +51.8°C (high = +70.0°C) >>>>>>>> (crit = +72.0°C, hyst = +70.0°C) >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> bmike1@MikesBeast ~ $ sensors >>>>>>>> radeon-pci-0100 >>>>>>>> Adapter: PCI adapter >>>>>>>> temp1: +75.0°C >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> k10temp-pci-00c3 >>>>>>>> Adapter: PCI adapter >>>>>>>> temp1: +51.9°C (high = +70.0°C) >>>>>>>> (crit = +72.0°C, hyst = +70.0°C) >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Mon, Oct 30, 2017 at 7:39 PM, Brien Dieterle <bri...@gmail.com> >>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> 30 mins is plenty for a test. Try to get sensors output just >>>>>>>>> before a crash >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On Mon, Oct 30, 2017 at 4:25 PM, Michael <bmi...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> how long do you want me to run glmark2 for? Forever is not >>>>>>>>>> feasible! >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On Mon, Oct 30, 2017 at 7:22 PM, Michael <bmi...@gmail.com> >>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> as for the shutoff point everything that had anything to do with >>>>>>>>>>> cutting power was already diabled >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, Oct 30, 2017 at 7:20 PM, Michael <bmi...@gmail.com> >>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> $ sensors >>>>>>>>>>>> radeon-pci-0100 >>>>>>>>>>>> Adapter: PCI adapter >>>>>>>>>>>> temp1: +68.0°C >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> k10temp-pci-00c3 >>>>>>>>>>>> Adapter: PCI adapter >>>>>>>>>>>> temp1: +45.1°C (high = +70.0°C) >>>>>>>>>>>> (crit = +72.0°C, hyst = +70.0°C) >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, Oct 30, 2017 at 7:07 PM, Brien Dieterle < >>>>>>>>>>>> bri...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Well, it might be protecting your computer but if it is too >>>>>>>>>>>>> low it will just be annoying. >>>>>>>>>>>>> You still need to run sensors and get those numbers if you >>>>>>>>>>>>> haven't yet: >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> https://askubuntu.com/questions/15832/how-do-i-get-the-cpu-t >>>>>>>>>>>>> emperature >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> If your machine is legitimately overheating you need to >>>>>>>>>>>>> address that with fans and ventilation, etc. >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, Oct 30, 2017 at 3:59 PM, Michael <bmi...@gmail.com> >>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> if there is a shutoff point you did say disable it? >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, Oct 30, 2017 at 6:56 PM, Brien Dieterle < >>>>>>>>>>>>>> bri...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Well, you're on the right track. Try to isolate whether >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> glmark alone can crash it, or if you need stress as well. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Then try >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> opening up your case and point a fan in there. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Also don't forget to check the BIOS for thermal management >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> events that might be causing the shutdown/reboot. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, Oct 30, 2017 at 3:52 PM, Michael <bmi...@gmail.com> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> never mind..... I ran glmark around 5 minutes and then >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> stress. that crashed the machine! Not a nice reboot (like what >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it does with >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> dt) but a power failure outage, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, Oct 30, 2017 at 6:41 PM, Michael <bmi...@gmail.com> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and if glmark2 doesn't crash it run stress the same amount >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of time? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, Oct 30, 2017 at 6:37 PM, Michael <bmi...@gmail.com >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> how long do I let glmark2's pretty horse rotate? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, Oct 30, 2017 at 6:36 PM, Michael < >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> bmi...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> okay >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ` >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, Oct 30, 2017 at 6:10 PM, Brien Dieterle < >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> bri...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'd wait. If stress alone doesn't crash, run glmark2 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> by itself. If glmark2 doesn't crash, run them both at the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> same time. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, Oct 30, 2017 at 3:01 PM, Michael < >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> bmi...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> run this now or after stress completes? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, Oct 30, 2017 at 5:59 PM, Brien Dieterle < >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> bri...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Well, not yet ;-). If it doesn't crash, you might >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> need to stress the graphics card as well with one of >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> these tools: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://www.pcsuggest.com/gpu- >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> benchmarking-and-stress-testing-in-linux/ >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> So maybe kick off both stress and >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> glmark2 --run-forever >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, Oct 30, 2017 at 2:55 PM, Michael < >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> bmi...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> if it doesn't crash I'll start hounding the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> darktable forums. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, Oct 30, 2017 at 5:45 PM, Michael < >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> bmi...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Just started..... lets see what happens >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, Oct 30, 2017 at 5:36 PM, Brien Dieterle < >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> bri...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Forget darktable for now. Did you run stress test >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> for more than 10 seconds? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> This will run a stress test for 30 minutes: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> stress --cpu 8 --io 4 --vm 2 --hdd 2 --timeout >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 1800s >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> If you can get it to crash with just this stress >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> program, then it has nothing to do with darktable >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, Oct 30, 2017 at 2:24 PM, Michael < >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> bmi...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I have no sensors running and as for it panicing >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> when warm sometimes it panics after I run dt 2 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> minutes after it had been >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> shut down an hour and doesn't panic even though dt >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> had run10 minutes. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, Oct 30, 2017 at 4:31 PM, Brien Dieterle < >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> bri...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Check your bios settings for hardware monitoring >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and temperature limits. You may have it set with a >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> maximum temperature so >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the machine panics when it's just warm. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Try raising this number or disabling the feature >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> entirely >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> But first check your sensors by installing a >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> temperature monitoring program >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Oct 30, 2017 1:04 PM, "Michael" < >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> bmi...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it is sooo ify! I just ran it for like 10 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> minutes with no crashes whereas before I had just >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> started the computer and >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ran dt for 2 minutes and it crashed. Then I >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> restarted and I had a repeat >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> performance of the 2 minute thing. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, Oct 30, 2017 at 3:38 PM, Michael < >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> bmi...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> $ stress --cpu 8 --io 4 --vm 2 --vm-bytes >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 128M --timeout 10s >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> stress: info: [7571] dispatching hogs: 8 cpu, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 4 io, 2 vm, 0 hdd >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> stress: info: [7571] successful run completed >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in 10s >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I don't know what that was suppossed to tell >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> me but there it is. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, Oct 30, 2017 at 3:36 PM, Michael < >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> bmi...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I am experiencing no slowness. It is like the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> days where you had a power switch on the back of >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> your computer... or it is >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> like a hard reboot. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, Oct 30, 2017 at 3:33 PM, Stephen >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Partington <cryptwo...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> OpenCL in darktable mainly impacts >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> rendering. it should have no effect on on >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> system or ram consumption unless >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> you are experiencing slowness during render >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> cycles. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, Oct 30, 2017 at 12:21 PM, Michael < >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> bmi...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> You know.... I'm having trouble running >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> darktable. It seems that after I start it it >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> runs a few minutes and then >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> reboots the computer. Probably because I do >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> not have a GPU (I don't think). >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Then I saw this thread and thought that I'd >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> give that a try. So it seems I >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> can not run chrome and darktable at the same >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> time. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ___ >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 'lspci' shows that my graphics card is : >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: Advanced >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD/ATI] RV770 [Radeon HD >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 4850] >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and 'lspci|grep gpu' returned an empty set >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (if I did that correctly) >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> so I suppose the cheapest way to fix this >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> is to get a gpu.... correct? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, Oct 30, 2017 at 12:09 PM, Carruth, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Rusty <rusty.carr...@smartm.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> In my experience, it’s almost always >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Firefox taking all of memory. 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Fiesta Blvd. Suite 101 Gilbert, Az. 85233 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> *From:* PLUG-discuss [mailto: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> plug-discuss-boun...@lists.phxlinux.org] *On >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Behalf Of *Michael Butash >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> *Sent:* Sunday, October 29, 2017 10:05 AM >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> *To:* Main PLUG discussion list >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> *Subject:* Re: computer slow >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> If I ever have that, it's usually because >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of something with a memory leak, or desktop >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> graphic compositing is >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> degrading over time. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Before you reboot, see if you can ssh into >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it from another computer and check htop (or >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> just top all you have), see if >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> something is consuming all your memory or cpu. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Desktop compositors are all shite from >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> what I can tell (including windoze), they're >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> all just a varying degree of >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> broken when you push them, or just have a >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> slow (or buggy) video card. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Depending on your desktop environment of >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> choice, try turning down graphics >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> options, or disabling the compositor all >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> together to see if it helps >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> stability. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -mb >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sun, Oct 29, 2017 at 3:41 AM, Michael < >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> bmi...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm almost certain that in my bag of >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> tricks I had instructions on 'resetting' my >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> computer when it started acting >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> weird but I can't find them. Riddle me this: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I try to leave the computer on >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 24/7 (maybe I shouldn't do that) and twice so >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> far I come up to it and it is >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> non-responsive or really slow to respond. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Anyone know how to fix this? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> :-)~MIKE~(-: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ------------------------------ >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> --------------------- >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> PLUG-discuss mailing list - >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> your mail settings: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://lists.phxlinux.org/mail >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> man/listinfo/plug-discuss >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ------------------------------ >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> --------------------- >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> PLUG-discuss mailing list - 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