Re: Truly Free phones?

2009-05-15 Thread Joseph Sinclair
Ryan Rix wrote: Not top posting cause Tuna is mean :P On Thu, May 14, 2009 at 11:31 AM, Joseph Sinclair plug-discuss...@stcaz.net wrote: While Google (and others) develop the Android O/S, the carriers make all the decisions about how open the phone is. The G1 is a *T-Mobile* phone, not

Re: Yet Another PGP Test...

2009-05-15 Thread Joseph Sinclair
We can get your public key now (MIT server), but the signature doesn't match on this message. The signature on the first message in this thread now checks out, however. I'm guessing that the PGP/MIME system didn't sign quite correctly to pass through the PLUG server without invalidating the

RE: Taxing non-us profits

2009-05-15 Thread Bryan O'Neal
I would have to read the plan, however their are a lot of things that can be done to increase us corporate expansion while ensuring that they are taxed appropriately. I am not one for taxation, however, if you benefit from government intervention, such as the US legal system, the transportation

RE: What's a geek?

2009-05-15 Thread Bryan O'Neal
Geek = Some one who will eat anything... Oh wait that was the 1930's definition ;) _ From: plug-discuss-boun...@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us [mailto:plug-discuss-boun...@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us] On Behalf Of Carlos Macedo Gomes Sent: Wednesday, May 13, 2009 4:37 PM To: Main PLUG discussion

Re: What's a geek?

2009-05-15 Thread mike havens
Is that Hans? On Fri, May 15, 2009 at 8:02 AM, Bryan O'Neal bon...@cornerstonehome.comwrote: Geek = Some one who will eat anything... Oh wait that was the 1930's definition ;) -- *From:* plug-discuss-boun...@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us [mailto:

Re: linksys WRT54G router

2009-05-15 Thread Lisa Kachold
Hold down the reset button for 120 seconds until the lights flash. Once it's reset to factory settings, you can reflash your firmware (OpenWRT or whatever). Someone probably got into it (happens all the time). If you can't reset her, she's toast. http://performance.toast.net/

OT: Compile a cpp file on HPUX with gcc

2009-05-15 Thread Donn
OT-OT-OT-OT All, I hope you don't mind if I ask a question way out of my comfort zone. We have a cpp file with three .h header files that I would like to compile in our Oracle servers (HPUX 11). The gcc compiler is installed on the HP servers, but the source code does not contain a make file, so

RE: Format

2009-05-15 Thread Bob Elzer
Bingo, You are correct sir. _ From: plug-discuss-boun...@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us [mailto:plug-discuss-boun...@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us] On Behalf Of Matthew A Coulliette Sent: Thursday, May 14, 2009 5:22 PM To: Main PLUG discussion list Subject: Re: Format Bob Elzer wrote: Should

Re: OT: Compile a cpp file on HPUX with gcc

2009-05-15 Thread Matt Graham
From: Donn dlshum...@gmail.com have a cpp file with three .h header files that I would like to compile in our Oracle servers (HPUX 11). The gcc compiler is installed on the HP servers, but the source code does not contain a make file, so we don’t know how to compile it in HPUX (not being

Re: OT: Compile a cpp file on HPUX with gcc

2009-05-15 Thread Donn
On Fri, May 15, 2009 at 8:28 AM, Matt Graham danceswithcr...@usa.netwrote: From: Donn dlshum...@gmail.com have a cpp file with three .h header files that I would like to compile in our Oracle servers (HPUX 11). The gcc compiler is installed on the HP servers, but the source code does not

Re: Format

2009-05-15 Thread Bishmer Sekaran
Matthew A Coulliette wrote: The toilet paper should come over the top of the role, so that it hags down in front of the role and away from the wall. ;-) MatthewMPP Exactamento. --- PLUG-discuss mailing list -

RE: Looking for compatable SCSI laptop interface

2009-05-15 Thread Bob Elzer
I guess my suggestion depends on how much data you are backing up, but with the price of drives today have you considered backing up to a 1TB drive. I just got a 1TB for $85. I realize you still have to find a card to read your data off the tape at some point. -Original Message- From:

Re: OT: Compile a cpp file on HPUX with gcc

2009-05-15 Thread Lisa Kachold
Hi! On Fri, May 15, 2009 at 8:11 AM, Donn dlshum...@gmail.com wrote: OT-OT-OT-OT All, I hope you don't mind if I ask a question way out of my comfort zone. We have a cpp file with three .h header files that I would like to compile in our Oracle servers (HPUX 11). The gcc compiler is

Re: Format

2009-05-15 Thread Ryan Rix
and... why isn't this OT? On Fri, May 15, 2009 at 8:51 AM, Bishmer Sekaran bish...@sekaran.netwrote: Matthew A Coulliette wrote: The toilet paper should come over the top of the role, so that it hags down in front of the role and away from the wall. ;-) MatthewMPP Exactamento.

Re: Format

2009-05-15 Thread Charles Jones
Shouldn't it be TP? ;-) Ryan Rix wrote: and... why isn't this OT? On Fri, May 15, 2009 at 8:51 AM, Bishmer Sekaran bish...@sekaran.net mailto:bish...@sekaran.net wrote: Matthew A Coulliette wrote: The toilet paper should come over the top of the role, so that it hags down

Re: Yet Another PGP Test...

2009-05-15 Thread Joe
Once you know how to set up the keys via openGPG, everything else is cake. Enigma will just work, as will the sweet firefox plugin FireGPG (which adds GPG to Gmail through the web interface). In fact, you really don't even have to know how to manage openGPG via the terminal anymore, there are a

Re: Format

2009-05-15 Thread Craig White
On Fri, 2009-05-15 at 09:12 -0700, Charles Jones wrote: Shouldn't it be TP? ;-) Ryan Rix wrote: and... why isn't this OT? On Fri, May 15, 2009 at 8:51 AM, Bishmer Sekaran bish...@sekaran.net wrote: Matthew A Coulliette wrote: The toilet paper should come over the

OT - Trying to reach ED.

2009-05-15 Thread mike havens
ED, the PLUGger that was in vietnam and is a HAM guy. -- :-)~MIKE~(-: --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings:

Re: linksys WRT54G router

2009-05-15 Thread mike havens
so after I reset it it will be like I just opened the package? which lights will flash; all of them? at the same time or in sequence or will they like flicker? On Fri, May 15, 2009 at 11:11 AM, Lisa Kachold lisakach...@obnosis.comwrote: Hold down the reset button for 120 seconds until the

Re: OT - Trying to reach ED.

2009-05-15 Thread Eric Shubert
mike havens wrote: ED, the PLUGger that was in vietnam and is a HAM guy. -- :-)~MIKE~(-: That would be Ed Culbert. eculb...@yahoo.com -- -Eric 'shubes' --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe,

Re: OT - Trying to reach ED.

2009-05-15 Thread mike havens
that's who it is. thanks I forgot his last name. On Fri, May 15, 2009 at 1:47 PM, Eric Shubert e...@shubes.net wrote: mike havens wrote: ED, the PLUGger that was in vietnam and is a HAM guy. -- :-)~MIKE~(-: That would be Ed Culbert. eculb...@yahoo.com -- -Eric 'shubes'

Re: linksys WRT54G router

2009-05-15 Thread mike havens
I forgot to say that this router has been off for a little over a year. around 12 months. this I know because I turned it off before I moved to florida and I moved here at the end of this month. On Fri, May 15, 2009 at 1:43 PM, mike havens bmi...@gmail.com wrote: so after I reset it it will be

Re: Truly Free phones?

2009-05-15 Thread der.hans
Am 14. Mai, 2009 schwätzte Ryan Rix so: moin moin, Why hasn't the FSF done anything about this as much as cell phones are a part of this culture? The FSF does a lot. If you want it to do more get directly involved and make donations :). Make donations to EFF as well :). Is the Krave ZN4 out

Re: Truly Free phones?

2009-05-15 Thread Charles Jones
Just thought I would mention the Apple IPhone. It is far from free or open, out of the box, but once jailbroken, they are unlocked and you can install any apps you want, including ones that you write yourself. There is also a free online course from Standford University that is teaching iphone

Re: Truly Free phones?

2009-05-15 Thread Stephen
only issue i have with this is the iphone annoys me. :-) On Fri, May 15, 2009 at 11:25 AM, Charles Jones charles.jo...@ciscolearning.org wrote: Just thought I would mention the Apple IPhone. It is far from free or open, out of the box, but once jailbroken, they are unlocked and you can install

OT: A Blueprint to Stop Browser Attacks [technologyreview.com via acm TechNews]

2009-05-15 Thread Mike Schwartz
This article: http://www.technologyreview.com/computing/22652/((A Blueprint to Stop Browser Attacks A software layer protects against cross-site scripting attacks.)) was summarized (and linked to) here: http://technews.acm.org/archives.cfm?fo=2009-05-may/may-15-2009.html#412080 I think this

Re: OT: A Blueprint to Stop Browser Attacks [technologyreview.com via acm TechNews]

2009-05-15 Thread Stephen
neat. On Fri, May 15, 2009 at 11:49 AM, Mike Schwartz schwa...@acm.org wrote: This article:     http://www.technologyreview.com/computing/22652/ ((A Blueprint to Stop Browser Attacks A software layer protects against cross-site scripting attacks.)) was summarized (and linked to) here:  

Re: Truly Free phones?

2009-05-15 Thread Joe
One could make the same arguments for a rooted G1 too. Once you have root, you can do whatever you want. I still wouldn't consider either option truly open though. -Joe Stephen wrote: only issue i have with this is the iphone annoys me. :-) On Fri, May 15, 2009 at 11:25 AM, Charles Jones

Re: Truly Free phones?

2009-05-15 Thread Carlos Macedo Gomes
On Fri, May 15, 2009 at 11:13 AM, der.hans pl...@lufthans.com wrote: Am 14. Mai, 2009 schwätzte Ryan Rix so: Why hasn't the FSF done anything about this as much as cell phones are a part of this culture? The FSF does a lot. If you want it to do more get directly involved and make donations

Re: OT: A Blueprint to Stop Browser Attacks [technologyreview.com via acm TechNews]

2009-05-15 Thread Lisa Kachold
Yes, good call, and the content is excellent! Thanks for the submission; it's IMPORTANT to realize that WE ALL MUST BE SECURITY EXPERTS; when one is essentially carrying a technology with great security potential, you don't require your local SECURITY GUY to shoulder responsibility for it's USE.

Re: OT: A Blueprint to Stop Browser Attacks [technologyreview.com via acm TechNews]

2009-05-15 Thread Alex Dean
On May 15, 2009, at 12:34 PM, Lisa Kachold wrote: it's IMPORTANT to realize that WE ALL MUST BE SECURITY EXPERTS Who is 'we'? Programmers/admins/hackers, or the general public? PGP.sig Description: This is a digitally signed message part ---

Re: Truly Free phones?

2009-05-15 Thread Ryan Rix
On Fri, May 15, 2009 at 11:13 AM, der.hans pl...@lufthans.com wrote: Am 14. Mai, 2009 schwätzte Ryan Rix so: What about the Palm Pre with Sprint? How open will it be? I'm pretty sure it's locked to Sprint for a while, but will we be able to do our own updates and add non-signed apps? Runs

Re: Yet Another PGP Test...

2009-05-15 Thread Joshua Zeidner
also if you use Enigmail, I suggest using signature attachments as the embedded signatures make reading difficult for many clients such as Gmail. Enigmail is very dependable. -jmz On Fri, May 15, 2009 at 9:12 AM, Joe li...@joefleming.net wrote: Once you know how to set up the keys via

Re: OT: A Blueprint to Stop Browser Attacks [technologyreview.com via acm TechNews]

2009-05-15 Thread Stephen
given Lisa's previous rants I'm thinking both, and she would be right. it is in everyone's best interest to be vigilant. On Fri, May 15, 2009 at 12:56 PM, Alex Dean a...@crackpot.org wrote: On May 15, 2009, at 12:34 PM, Lisa Kachold wrote: it's IMPORTANT to realize that WE ALL MUST BE

Re: OT: Re: linksys WRT54G router

2009-05-15 Thread mike havens
I figured out the problem. I have a specific DNS server and secondary. I didn't realize there was a place in the router for that but they were found. It's all cool now! Thanks. On Fri, May 15, 2009 at 3:26 PM, Lisa Kachold lisakach...@obnosis.comwrote: Knowing the right source is

Re: OT: A Blueprint to Stop Browser Attacks [technologyreview.com via acm TechNews]

2009-05-15 Thread James Mcphee
Vigilant, but not paranoid. XSS exists for a reason. A better solution IMHO would be to require the remote content to be signed by a particular source or something along those lines. Just my 2 cents. On Fri, May 15, 2009 at 1:30 PM, Stephen cryptwo...@gmail.com wrote: given Lisa's previous

Re: OT: A Blueprint to Stop Browser Attacks [technologyreview.com via acm TechNews]

2009-05-15 Thread Stephen
just because one is paranoid does not mean they are not out to get you :-) On Fri, May 15, 2009 at 1:38 PM, James Mcphee jmc...@gmail.com wrote: Vigilant, but not paranoid.  XSS exists for a reason.  A better solution IMHO would be to require the remote content to be signed by a particular

OT - funny picture (work safe)

2009-05-15 Thread Stephen
http://www.eatliver.com/img/2009/4315.jpg -- A mouse trap, placed on top of your alarm clock, will prevent you from rolling over and going back to sleep after you hit the snooze button. Stephen --- PLUG-discuss mailing list -

Re: OT - funny picture (work safe)

2009-05-15 Thread mike havens
look at pic 4320it is even better! On Fri, May 15, 2009 at 4:46 PM, Stephen cryptwo...@gmail.com wrote: http://www.eatliver.com/img/2009/4315.jpg -- A mouse trap, placed on top of your alarm clock, will prevent you from rolling over and going back to sleep after you hit the snooze

Re: OT - funny picture (work safe)

2009-05-15 Thread Carlos Macedo Gomes
:-). Top post cuz it's TGIF... Philip K. Dick would be even an more disturbed, creative genius were he alive in these times. Not only would he have to deal w/ his (rumored to be abuse drug induced) meatspace neurosis but now he would also have to deal w/ matrixspace/virtualspace mashups of

Re: Yet Another PGP Test...

2009-05-15 Thread Tuna
Joe wrote: Once you know how to set up the keys via openGPG, everything else is cake. Enigma will just work, as will the sweet firefox plugin FireGPG (which adds GPG to Gmail through the web interface). In fact, you really don't even have to know how to manage openGPG via the terminal

Re: Format

2009-05-15 Thread Lisa Kachold
Again, Posting format like much of PLUG, is not decreed by rule for a reason. On Fri, May 15, 2009 at 9:20 AM, Craig White craigwh...@azapple.com wrote: On Fri, 2009-05-15 at 09:12 -0700, Charles Jones wrote: Shouldn't it be TP? ;-) Ryan Rix wrote: and... why isn't this OT? On

Untangle SPA Remote Access Security

2009-05-15 Thread Lisa Kachold
Designing a good remote access solution can be fun, however daunting and complex your access needs might be! Solutions might seem limited, however, they do not have to be difficult to implement or limited because they are FOSS. These two are very easily configured and powerful in an enterprise

Re: g++ -g and included files

2009-05-15 Thread Lisa Kachold
Check out:: http://tombarta.wordpress.com/ *Great stuff, *GCC Compiler-Defined Macroshttp://tombarta.wordpress.com/2008/08/09/gcc-compiler-defined-macros/ * * (Search forward for the instanti and find the reference that matches your situation?) For instance: __FILE__, __LINE__, __func__,

Home Directory as the Desktop?

2009-05-15 Thread Dazed_75
What genius decided that the users home directory should also BE the [gnome] Desktop? Doing so means that every file and directory in a users home directory appears on the Desktop. One does not notice it on finishing the install because there are no visible files there. Makes me wonder how many

Re: Home Directory as the Desktop?

2009-05-15 Thread Charles Jones
Dazed_75 wrote: What genius decided that the users home directory should also BE the [gnome] Desktop? Doing so means that every file and directory in a users home directory appears on the Desktop. One does not notice it on finishing the install because there are no visible files there.

Re: Home Directory as the Desktop?

2009-05-15 Thread Lisa Kachold
Huge security issue also. See former messages in the archive from me related to this, ahem, feature. On Fri, May 15, 2009 at 5:07 PM, Dazed_75 lthiels...@gmail.com wrote: What genius decided that the users home directory should also BE the [gnome] Desktop? Doing so means that every file and

Re: Home Directory as the Desktop?

2009-05-15 Thread Dazed_75
On Fri, May 15, 2009 at 5:09 PM, Charles Jones charles.jo...@ciscolearning.org wrote: Dazed_75 wrote: What genius decided that the users home directory should also BE the [gnome] Desktop? Doing so means that every file and directory in a users home directory appears on the Desktop. One

Re: Home Directory as the Desktop?

2009-05-15 Thread Dazed_75
On Fri, May 15, 2009 at 5:13 PM, Lisa Kachold lisakach...@obnosis.comwrote: Huge security issue also. See former messages in the archive from me related to this, ahem, feature. -- www.obnosis.com (503)754-4452 Contradictions do not exist. A. Rand What should I search for in the

Re: Home Directory as the Desktop?

2009-05-15 Thread Lisa Kachold
http://lwn.net/Articles/319938/ http://www.geekzone.co.nz/foobar/6229 On Fri, May 15, 2009 at 5:16 PM, Dazed_75 lthiels...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, May 15, 2009 at 5:13 PM, Lisa Kachold lisakach...@obnosis.comwrote: Huge security issue also. See former messages in the archive from me

Re: Home Directory as the Desktop?

2009-05-15 Thread Dazed_75
On Fri, May 15, 2009 at 6:59 PM, Lisa Kachold lisakach...@obnosis.comwrote: http://lwn.net/Articles/319938/ http://www.geekzone.co.nz/foobar/6229 Thanks for the references. I pretty much understand the issues discussed although I am less sure I understand how having $HOME/Desktop is more

Resolved: Home directory as Desktop

2009-05-15 Thread Dazed_75
Short version: I had thought the ubuntu 9.04 install was behind this but was mistaken. It appears that though I did a fresh install, I was doing it on a machine with a separate /home partition. When I did the install, it saw some configuration that had been done when the machine had eeebuntu on

Re: Migration to USB drive

2009-05-15 Thread Ryan Rix
firefox you can run with the -profile /path/to/profile option... the rest you may be able to hack by replacing $HOME with the root directory where your other configs are... try $APP --help to see what options they support from the command line (your wife is a linux lapsop as well i hope?) ~Ryan

Re: Resolved: Home directory as Desktop

2009-05-15 Thread nadimhoque
The funny thing is that it did happen to me once. I don't know the specific file that determines the folder to use as the desktop but I fixed it by viewing hidden files/folders and deleting the ones that start out with a period and it worked after that Nadim Hoque Sent via BlackBerry from