I've always been against information farming without consent. I'm far less
concerned about what will be done with the information today, since I
consider myself a well-adjusted and lawful individual. But what happens in
20 years when societal norms have changed and someone digs up my info to
Everyone has a cellular. Write down your congressman's reps... to include
everyone who represents your area - city, county, state, fed, on your way to
work call their office. On your way home call their office. If each one of us
made one or two calls a day we would overwhelm them.
I say no to any tests or qualifications to vote other than one must be here
legally. No tax requirement or test to qualify.
Keith Smith
--- On Sun, 8/30/09, James Lee Bell nuclear-cow...@cox.net wrote:
From: James Lee Bell nuclear-cow...@cox.net
Subject: Re:
Back to the regulation of information?
We don't get to vote on this, we defrayed that when we voted.
What choices do we have now? Civil disobedience?
On Sun, Aug 30, 2009 at 10:31 PM, Ryan Rixphrkonale...@gmail.com wrote:
mike havens wrote:
I think only land oners should have the right to
Letters, faxes, phone calls, rally's, town hall meetings
Keith Smith
--- On Mon, 8/31/09, Lisa Kachold lisakach...@obnosis.com wrote:
From: Lisa Kachold lisakach...@obnosis.com
Subject: Re: Politics/Ethics: Operation PinWale - Obama Administration Seeks
Emergency
At 10:31 PM 8/30/2009, Ryan Rix wrote:
I think only land oners should have the right to vote. I do not own
anything so I would not get to vote.
White land owning men? :P
Ryan, I love 'ya, but:
As a fat, white, land owner, Country Club Member a Republican, I
find this very offensive.
I've always wondered about people who complain about email privacy, yet
use a gmail address.
For starters, what if the technically competent were to set up and use
email servers that were configured to use TLS whenever it's available.
Some servers are already configured for this. Wouldn't that
Civil disobedience is a pretty extreme measure. We're still able to
protest, etc. If this continues for 20 years and we still get no luv, then
civil disobedience may be the only way, and that means some of us are going
to jail. We would be breaking the law, after all. Luckily, by then there
I saw a deal on one of real tv's video shows where these kids took over a
university cafiteria for 2 days to protest something and as soon as the
threat of arrest came they all split. Unfortunately although college kids
are often excitable sheep who act on mob mentalities and do whatever is
Like anything else, email privacy depends on context. I certainly am not
going to bother with secure email if I'm sending said email to a public
email list. Point-to-point security is extremely easy with straight-up pgp
encryption. Trying to handle secure email in a glorified dark net is a
In defense of Ryan, the idea that only landowners should be allowed to vote is
so absurd that many would consider that racist. I took Ryan's reply to be
merely mocking the ignorance (and racist undertone) that only landowners should
be given the right to vote. Since we're pointing fingers and
I think only land owners should be allowed to vote on property tax and
other property related issues. I do not own land but if I did I would find
it silly that someone who had nothing to lose could vote to vote on land
issues.
On Mon, Aug 31, 2009 at 8:49 AM, Dorian Monroe
On Aug 31, 2009, at 10:46 AM, James Finstrom wrote:
I saw a deal on one of real tv's video shows where these kids took
over a university cafiteria for 2 days to protest something and as
soon as the threat of arrest came they all split. Unfortunately
although college kids are often
I don't think it's beside the point. If it's technically impossible to
snoop email, then snooping email becomes moot. It's a matter of
enforcement, and making something impossible to do is effective enforcement.
pgp can certainly be done, but I wouldn't call it extremely easy. If it
were
How can we make the case *for* Linux more effective?
http://www.vsiq.com/soapbox
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On Sun, 30 Aug 2009, Ryan Rix wrote:
mike havens wrote:
I think only land oners should have the right to vote. I do not own
anything so I would not get to vote.
White land owning men? :P
Welcome to the 18th century.
--
Bob Holtzman
Key ID: 8D549279
If you think you're getting free lunch,
I finally got moved in after all the new townhouse repairs and have
sorted out and evaluated all the technical details from the past two
hackfests at the Foundation for Blind Children.
I have found:
1) Multiple successful exploits against my own equipment (4 prior
Hackfests starting from the
did you write this?
On Mon, Aug 31, 2009 at 10:43 AM, Josef Lowder j...@actionline.com wrote:
How can we make the case *for* Linux more effective?
http://www.vsiq.com/soapbox
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On Mon, 31 Aug 2009, James Finstrom wrote:
I think only land owners should be allowed to vote on property tax and
other property related issues. I do not own land but if I did I would find
it silly that someone who had nothing to lose could vote to vote on land
issues.
Since the cost of
This is a sad day indeed
On Aug 31, 2009 11:10 AM, Lisa Kachold lisakach...@obnosis.com wrote:
I finally got moved in after all the new townhouse repairs and have
sorted out and evaluated all the technical details from the past two
hackfests at the Foundation for Blind Children.
I have found:
EEK -
Everyone will be issued a digital certificate with a SSN.
Anyone with a SSN/cert will be required to VOTE in order to continue
to work (via online tabulation).
All people must complete a minimum of education related to economic,
political, social and health systems before VOTING. These
I've been keeping an eye on the Nokia N8x series of devices since they
run Linux. They will be releasing the n900 soon, and it looks really
interesting.
From Wikipedia:
The Nokia N900 is Nokia's next Maemo device, superseding the N810,
expected to become available in late 2009. Unlike its
On Mon, Aug 31, 2009 at 1:29 PM, Benjamin Francombfran...@gmail.com wrote:
I've been keeping an eye on the Nokia N8x series of devices since they
run Linux. They will be releasing the n900 soon, and it looks really
interesting.
From Wikipedia:
The Nokia N900 is Nokia's next Maemo device,
On Aug 31, 2009, at 3:37 PM, keith smith wrote:
Hi I am running
Fedora Core 5 (I know it is a little old)
Apache/2.2.0
Local.
I would like to setup a test SSL on my server that is on a private
IP and used for testing.
Is there a way to configure a test SSL?
You mean like a
Yes a self-signed certificate.
Thank you!
Keith Smith
--- On Mon, 8/31/09, Alex Dean a...@crackpot.org wrote:
From: Alex Dean a...@crackpot.org
Subject: Re: configure a test SSL
To: Main PLUG discussion list plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us
Date: Monday,
On Monday 31 August 2009 01:37:03 pm keith smith wrote:
Hi I am running
Fedora Core 5 (I know it is a little old)
Apache/2.2.0
Local.
I would like to setup a test SSL on my server that is on a private IP and
used for testing.
Is there a way to configure a test SSL?
Thanks in
Since you don't own land now, doesn't mean you might not in the future. In
another sense we do all own land. USA is our land.
So we all have the right to vote on property issues.
It's not that they have nothing to lose, they have everything to gain as
everyone should.
_
From:
You're willing to spend $700+ just to freak out iPhone owners?
Umm...yeah...you know how AMMO $700 would score?
:)
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On Mon, Aug 31, 2009 at 1:29 PM, Benjamin Francombfran...@gmail.com
wrote:
I've been keeping an eye on the Nokia N8x series of devices since they
run Linux. They will be releasing the n900 soon, and it looks really
interesting.
From Wikipedia:
The Nokia N900 is
David Huerta wrote:
With ammo prices being what they are now, maybe a small box of .45mm?
As far as the phone's overall price though, that's likely to be
subsidized by a carrier's contract, which can sometimes knock off most
of the phone's MSRP. Give away the razor, sell the blades...
--- On Mon, 8/31/09, Nathan England nat...@paysonlinux.org wrote:
From: Nathan England nat...@paysonlinux.org
Subject: Re: configure a test SSL
To: Main PLUG discussion list plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us
Cc: Keith Smith klsmith2...@yahoo.com
Date: Monday, August 31, 2009, 1:47 PM
Where do I want to put these files?
In /etc/httpd/conf.d ?
and then I will need to setup the virtual host to use port 443 in the ssl.conf
? Correct?
Keith Smith
--- On Mon, 8/31/09, Alex Dean a...@crackpot.org wrote:
From: Alex Dean a...@crackpot.org
Subject:
Here's another page http://www.tc.umn.edu/~brams006/selfsign.html
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Call features
* Integrated hands-free stereo speakers
* Call waiting, call hold, call divert
* Call timer
* Logging of dialed, received and missed calls
* Speed dialing via contact widget
* Virbrating alert (internal)
* Side volume keys
* Mute/unmute
* Contacts
Oops and this
Operating frequency
* Quad-band GSM EDGE 850/900/1800/1900
* WCDMA 900/1700/2100 MHz
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Fail :/ I'm a Verizon-slave for the next two years :(
Ryan
Bob Elzer wrote:
Call features
* Integrated hands-free stereo speakers
* Call waiting, call hold, call divert
* Call timer
* Logging of dialed, received and missed calls
* Speed dialing via contact widget
Bob Elzer wrote:
By then maybe the 901 or 902, which will have even more capabilities for
you to look forward to.
And time to save money for the hopefully dropping price :)
But, but... I want my goodies now :)
I really wanted to get a Palm Pre, because I'm a palm whore and it's a
On 08/27/2009 09:42 PM, Ryan Rix wrote:
Jim March wrote:
Osama Yo Mama uses terrorbytes!
Ah!
Oh, uhm... I agree...?
To put things back on firm earth and on-topicness... Why on earth would
Linus even waste his time on trying to get this much memory addressed in the
kernel? What is the
On 8/31/09 1:32 PM, David Huerta huerta...@gmail.com wrote:
I've been anxiously looking forward to the n900; The prospect of a
mobile browser with Flash support will be awesome for making iPhone
users jealous.
The n900 seems cool. I have a jailbroken iPhone and honestly I have no
desire for
On 08/30/2009 01:33 PM, Technomage wrote:
Of course, we cannot DEMAND that the developers fix these problems
Sure you can. Buy a commercially supported distro like Red Hat
Enterprise Linux. Red Hat has hired many of the top guns in the OSS
community so they can work on that stuff.
(as
they
Over time you will learn to be patient grasshopper.
lol
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Charles Jones wrote:
On 8/31/09 1:32 PM, David Huerta huerta...@gmail.com wrote:
I've been anxiously looking forward to the n900; The prospect of a
mobile browser with Flash support will be awesome for making iPhone
users jealous.
The n900 seems cool. I have a jailbroken iPhone and
On Aug 31, 2009, at 4:30 PM, keith smith wrote:
Where do I want to put these files?
In /etc/httpd/conf.d ?
and then I will need to setup the virtual host to use port 443 in
the ssl.conf ? Correct?
You can put them wherever you want. Reference them with
SSLCertificateKeyFile and
On Mon, 31 Aug 2009, David Huerta wrote:
With ammo prices being what they are now, maybe a small box of .45mm?
oohhh -- needle gun flechette ammo, straight out of Dickson's
Dorsai series
-- Russ herrold
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You can do it the hard way with openssl commands.
Or you can simply:
# cd /etc/pki/tls/certs
# make mycert.pem
See the Makefile there for details.
Then point your apache configuration to use the cert you created.
keith smith wrote:
Yes a self-signed certificate.
Thank you!
openssl s_client -showcerts
returns
connect: Connection refused
connect:errno=29
and when I try to access the site with https I get
Secure Connection Failed
An error occurred during a connection to newcart.dev.
SSL received a record with an unknown content type.
(Error code:
Jason Spatafore wrote:
Give me direct vote on all laws that are presented to Congress. That is
all I ask. Until then, this conversation is pretty much over. It's going
to be a constant republican vs. democrat vs. independent debate that
constantly occurs every single day.
Just give me my
Good feedback Austin!
I have become increasingly involved in politics lately. Through this process I
have come to discover that the only way we will stay free is if we read the
Federalist Papers to get an idea of what the Founding Fathers wanted and
intended of the Constitution.
We must
On Mon, Aug 31, 2009 at 1:50 PM, Bob Elzerbob.el...@gmail.com wrote:
Since you don't own land now, doesn't mean you might not in the future. In
another sense we do all own land. USA is our land.
my contribution to this thread: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XaI5IRuS2aE
-jmz
So we all
On Mon, 2009-08-31 at 17:16 -0700, Austin William Wright wrote:
These additional powers being granted to the executive branch must be
stopped at all costs. We have already seen what happens when we give
the
president the (unconstitutional) power to declare war. Do your
research
on the bills
On Aug 31, 2009, at 7:16 PM, Austin William Wright wrote:
Democracy is nothing but tyranny of the majority. I was walking
through
Boston recently, and coming to the Holocaust memorial I saw a quote, a
common variation of which goes as follows:
First they came for the Jews
and I did not
On Aug 31, 2009, at 7:08 PM, keith smith wrote:
openssl s_client -showcerts
returns
connect: Connection refused
connect:errno=29
no idea on that one.
and when I try to access the site with https I get
Secure Connection Failed
An error occurred during a connection to newcart.dev.
Unfortunately, this is what it is turning into:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z8Q-sRdV7SYNR=1feature=fvwp
lyle
At 05:48 PM 8/31/2009, you wrote:
On Mon, Aug 31, 2009 at 1:50 PM, Bob Elzerbob.el...@gmail.com wrote:
Since you don't own land now, doesn't mean you might not in the future. In
Here we go again. Can you guys please exercise some restraint before
posting political messages (or any other widely off-topic message) to
a Linux list? You're not going to change anyone's mind, this is not a
political debate forum and, while this may seem curt, no one cares
what your
Alex Dean wrote:
On Aug 31, 2009, at 7:08 PM, keith smith wrote:
openssl s_client -showcerts
returns
connect: Connection refused
connect:errno=29
no idea on that one.
and when I try to access the site with https I get
Secure Connection Failed
An error occurred during a
Don't let the email hit you in the butt
Sorry I couldn't resist.
You could have ignored the thread, it's pretty much a warning with the topic
POLITICS/ETHICS
_
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On Aug 31, 2009, at 8:50 PM, keith smith wrote:
Here it is. Thanks!
Also log shows this about 10 times
[Mon Aug 31 18:30:09 2009] [warn] RSA server certificate CommonName
(CN) `newcart.dev' does NOT match server name!?
VirtualHost 192.168.20.20:443
DocumentRoot /work/dev/newcart.dev
Made those three changes and now FireFox says
Secure Connection Failed
newcart.dev uses an invalid security certificate.
The certificate is not trusted because it is self signed.
(Error code: sec_error_untrusted_issuer)
---
I added an exception to FireFox and now it works!
Thanks to
I actually just scored a couple of Pre's from ebay and reprogrammed to
bring over to verizon. In the process, I realized Verizon's data plans
are ridiculously over-priced compared to Sprint for their everything
data family plan (~$80 more than sprint for comparable plan), so now
I'm debating
Quite true!
If I can't abide long winded discussions on how to Gnome-keyring or
another 10 step process well documented on Ubuntu and Fedora boards, I
simply don't open them!
There is also an OT version of the mail thread created by Ryan Rix.
The thread took 44 responses, and good ideas were
On Mon, Aug 31, 2009 at 7:52 PM, Lisa Kacholdlisakach...@obnosis.com wrote:
Quite true!
If I can't abide long winded discussions on how to Gnome-keyring or
another 10 step process well documented on Ubuntu and Fedora boards, I
simply don't open them!
There is also an OT version of the mail
Robert Holtzman wrote:
On Mon, 31 Aug 2009, Ryan Rix wrote:
I was making fun of the original statement of the declaration of
independence all men are created equal in that women, african
americans, poor people, etc, simply did not count. Sorry if anyone took
it other than a joke as was
On 8/31/09, Jason Spatafore jason_onl...@spatafore.net wrote:
On Mon, 2009-08-31 at 17:16 -0700, Austin William Wright wrote:
These additional powers being granted to the executive branch must be
stopped at all costs. We have already seen what happens when we give
the
president the
Well with such a publicized event, we are all sitting ducks.
Local network TRUST is important.
I can't ensure that each of you are not rolling around with guests or
that these packets didn't originate with blind students (using
accommodations) already in place on that network.
They could also
Joseph,
Linux has a reputation for being difficult.
A large presentation, with LOUD music, showing how easy a notebook
install is, perhaps a youtube-style video looped for all people
walking by would be great.
No more than 8 minutes (fast forwarded and edited vid) - good graphics
and good
How do we get that bill introduced?
On 8/31/09, Robert Holtzman hol...@cox.net wrote:
On Mon, Aug 31, 2009 at 05:16:39PM -0700, Austin William Wright wrote:
Jason Spatafore wrote:
Give me direct vote on all laws that are presented to Congress. That is
all I ask. Until then, this
Mother to small child, Do you want to wear the red pajamas or the
blue pajamas.
Child does not notice they don't want to go to bed at all.
On 8/31/09, keith smith klsmith2...@yahoo.com wrote:
Everyone has a cellular. Write down your congressman's reps... to include
everyone who represents
I believe I have read your excellent posts. Blunt is good!
On 8/31/09, Technomage technomage.ha...@gmail.com wrote:
Lisa Kachold wrote:
Context is lost in email; often the process of tracking through
incorrect assumptions via limited information provided in PLUG list
email requires
http://security-sh3ll.blogspot.com/2009/08/cross-protocol-xss-with-non-standard.html
“…Education is everything to our children’s future…To really compete,
[Americans] need to graduate high school, and then they need to
graduate college, and they probably need a graduate degree too.”
--President
Yes, I want one also!
On 8/31/09, Benjamin Francom bfran...@gmail.com wrote:
I've been keeping an eye on the Nokia N8x series of devices since they
run Linux. They will be releasing the n900 soon, and it looks really
interesting.
From Wikipedia:
The Nokia N900 is Nokia's next Maemo
Political discussions, ethical discussions are common in Linux User
Groups, usually a dedicated section or LIST is provided for such at
least in my experience.
On 8/31/09, David Huerta huerta...@gmail.com wrote:
On Mon, Aug 31, 2009 at 8:49 AM, Dorian Monroedorian.mon...@cox.net wrote:
In
I think that credit goes to Woody !
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